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Onwards and upwards!

The three answers can be summarised as Symbols, Metaphors, and ....... ?  It would be useful to the way I come to understand things if you could provide a word (or two) that can be used as a reference point for the third answer.

Physical/Metaphysical manifestations. If these do not suffice for an answer, wikipedia’s definition of the word Avatar in Hinduism can be used as a one word answer for the third answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar

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An avatar (Sanskrit: ?????, IAST: avat?ra), a concept in Hinduism that means "descent", refers to the material appearance or incarnation of a deity on earth.[1][2] The relative verb to "alight, to make one's appearance" is sometimes used to refer to any guru or revered human being.[3][4]

Okay - I think this may need a little further explanation. 

To continue with my example of Imo, would it be correct to say that Imo is perpetually manifest in the form of every tree in the world, or is manifestation more specific?  If the latter, what (if anything) is the difference between a tree where Imo is manifest, and a tree where it is not?  I think thats the first clarification I would like please.

The Deity Imo would be the Deity of the trees, so as such, every tree is the Deity in this sense. In addition, Imo is also the Deity of giving food and shelter to those who treat it well. As such, they have chosen the Elder Mothers to be the "avatar" of Imo, which in following through the essence of Imo, the Elder Mothers in turn become Imo itself. Imo manifests itself in Nature as trees, but Imo also manifests itself in Elder Mothers as Elder Mothers who give food and shelter to those who treat them kindly. Now, there may be an exception or 2 to the rule depending on the lore if there is a specific tree for a specific purpose, or if there is only trees in general. In addition, Elder Mothers who do not do as the Deity does will not (in their current state that is) manifest into Imo itself.

I hope this helps why I felt the word avatar from Hinduism is a word I used to describe manifestations, and what I am referring to when I say manifestations.
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Reviews / Re: Rate the Last Film You Saw
« Last post by jdawg70 on Yesterday at 07:52:53 PM »
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
9/10

Jesus this movie is fucking incredible.  Every performance is stellar.  Sam Rockwell should be in every movie.  Frances McDormand is fucking perfect.

Dark comedy that gets jump started with a woman renting 3 billboards that, basically, question the competence and diligence in investigating the death of her daughter.  The characters are just so compelling.  You want to watch these people be their messed up selves all day long.  So much depth.  Growth, arcs, gradation.  And the flick is filled with all sorts of quirky, fun, dark humor.

Music by Carter Burwell.  Written and directed by Martin McDonagh, same dude who did Seven Psychopaths.  This one is just so much tighter than that movie though.

Can't think of a single bad thing about the movie.  Comes out in Nov.
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Chatter / Re: "What are you listening to now"... take three...
« Last post by jdawg70 on Yesterday at 07:40:54 PM »
The ever-evolving cruising list continues.

Artist: Alison Wonderland
Track: I Want U


Artist: Lucky Soul
Track: No Ti Amo


Artist: Icona Pop
Track: All Night


Artist: Dum Dum Girls
Track: Bedroom Eyes


Artist: New Young Pony Club
Track: Ice Cream
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I really don't know how to say this. It's something that's hard to admit even to myself right now.

But I no longer can believe that the Bible is the Word of God, or anything resembling it...

...I just feel kind of conflicted about the whole issue. I still believe that God created the universe and I believe in an afterlife, but I can't in good conscience call the Bible the Word of God or anything resembling it. Just the writings of a society.

I'll get back to you guys in a few hours.

Hey Crystal Dragon...   this might have gotten lost in all the various thoughts and replies and swirl of comments you are dealing with on the various forums you attend but...

Are you ok?

As you said above, it's hard to process this stuff...  there is A LOT... to deal with mentally.   The Bible (or insert other holy book) is the sort of "basis" for believing in God creating the universe and believing in an afterlife.   It's not like we see god, or talk to god (and get a response), or see heaven, or know where it is, or anything...   If no holy books are accurate, what is the implication of that?

I know from experience that this whole thing is hard to deal with.   It shakes you to the core.   So, are you alright?

Wanting to believe in "something" is a deep need.  It can be difficult to know what to think if some of that rug gets pulled out from under you.

Hang in there.

I really appreciate your concern. :)

Yeah, I'm okay.

Debating things, processing stuff, but... okay.

Though I got banned on ChristianForums and I can't check why because I can't access my messages or anything and I had turned off email notifications because they were getting too numerous. :p
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And the God-factor. The Bible says Noah's Great Flood was a natural disaster sent by God in response to a world gone sinfully-bad.


40 days and 40 nights of rain to flood the entire earth and wipe out all life except for that which God designated Noah to save. That is way beyond a natural disaster. And I don't recall God saying I'm going to send you a natural disaster. More like "I'm gonna drown you MO FOs"

I didn't have the courage to read the comment section. I like to read that section to get a grasp of the audience and sometimes you find a gem or two.
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I could tell within the first sentence that this was going to be bad.  Let's see just how bad her argument is.

It was actually almost funny when she tried to shoehorn her god into the argument as "the God-factor".  Doesn't she realize that this leaves at least two gaping holes in her argument?  It would be trivially simple to point out that if her god was trying to punish 'leftists', her god must be incompetent to not notice all his faithful who he just hammered at the same time.  And it would not be difficult to point out that there were undoubtedly a lot more climate change deniers who got hit than leftists, ergo her god must be trying to make a point about their beliefs.

While she is correct in one respect - natural disasters simply don't care who's in their way - that doesn't prevent her from going off the rails regarding denouncing climate change as a new autocratic religion[1].  This despite the fact that we just had three massive storms hit almost the exact same areas within days of each other, and a fourth which hit not far from them.  I don't think we've ever had that sort of thing happen before, and that should be ringing alarm bells about just what might be happening with the climate that we're seeing that sort of thing happen now.

Whatever a person might think regarding what effects humans might have had on global climate, they need to acknowledge that something may well be happening to global climate, and if so, we need to start doing what we can to mitigate it.  The consequences of inaction will likely lead to further disasters such as these, and it would not take too many of them to turn into a catastrophe.  And what this person is failing to recognize is that the previous "global rodeos" she referred to were devastating to the cultures of the time.  When climate changes, people - lots of people - end up dying, between the direct effects of the climate actually changing and the indirect effects such as the losses of crops or farmland.

But yeah, it's pretty much just a Gordian knot of bad arguments.
 1. and then going on and on about stuff which isn't even relevant, such as the supposed 'finding' of evidence of the Noah flood - never mind that what Ballard was actually looking for was evidence of a major flood that could have inspired the stories of Noah, rather than looking for a real worldwide flood as the Bible tried to claim
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I don't like you any more Velkyn.  Not only did I read the article (aaargh, my brain hurts!) but then I delved into the comments.....(double arrrghhh!!!!!).

I don't feel well......  :o

sorry, I should have been more clear on just how utterly horrible this women is.  I made the mistake of going out to her facebook and the sheer lies and ignorance one woman puts out is disgusting.
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I didn't know anything about Susan Stamper Brown before but now I know she is a goddamn idiot who should be occasionally spat on.
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OMG...I didn't make it through three paragraphs.
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I don't like you any more Velkyn.  Not only did I read the article (aaargh, my brain hurts!) but then I delved into the comments.....(double arrrghhh!!!!!).

I don't feel well......  :o
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