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How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

I find it quite strange that Christian, Muslims and Jews can ignore the immoral ways that their God is shown to have in the Bible, Qur’an and Talmud.

If you have read any of the critical books on God, you will have seen God described with some rather disingenuous terms that, if applied to a man, would see that man executed by any moral government in quick order. The Buddhist saying that if you ever meet God, kill him seems quite fitting. Frankly, I think killing him without making him suffer for a time would be too good for him. If hell were real, that would be a better end for him as mankind would surely need to see that torture to gain real closure for God’s crimes against humanity. This aside.

I can appreciate the value for society of local churches, mosques and temples but cannot fathom why lying priests, preachers and imams try to sell their God as a good God, when he is obviously more satanic than Satan. Perhaps scripture speak at least one truth in that the whole world would be deceived by Satan and his lying preachers and imams. Not that I believe in Satan.

As a Gnostic Christian, my focus has been to try to become a Parfait, a perfected moral man, using the methods Jesus taught. It has been a long climb up Jacob’s ladder and apotheosis put me up one rung and I have tried to climb higher, but seem to have stalled due to my inability to find arguments that are persuasive enough to loosen Satan’s grip on the minds of Christians, Muslims and Jews. Their need of fellowship is stronger than their work on their moral sense and they stay in their religions even though they know that their God is immoral and not worthy of their idol worship. This Gnostic Christian truth is not a flattering epithet for God, which is likely what cause their destruction by Inquisition.

The truth hurts the religious even when given with a loving touch. I am not that good at that but have seen good honest lovers of Christ get verbally abused by theists. They think hate is motivating those who speak against their God even when love is the motivator. Hate is born of love, and the Gnostic hate of God is justified on moral grounds, and the attempted correction of a believers moral sense and their thinking is done out of love. They forget that that is how Jesus was and how that love driven expression of hate with what he saw around him almost got him killed at the hands of the Jews. So the myth says.

The fact that I have had many theists resist entering into moral argument of their God indicates that they know that their God is immoral. I can appreciate that once a person accepts the fellowship that his tribal nature seeks, and he can survive without having better morals, he is loath to jeopardize the comfort zone he has created for himself. The problem is that theists are living in self-deception and for one who seeks or has attained Gnosis, a deeper knowing of himself, self-deception is basically not allowed. That is why I have to bother fighting a fight that is almost un-winnable.

If you have an answer to the question I posed at the onset, please enlighten me as I am quite disappointed to see so many living in self-deception and without Gnosis, and following Gods who are demonstrably more Satan like than God like.

In the terrible days that we will face from environmental degradation that will soon be upon us, a new and moral God will be required and we presently do not have one.

I recognize that our tribal and fellowship needs are quite strong and a part of our basic instincts. Do you have any idea as to how we can break Satan’s hold on Christians, Muslims and Jews and change their fellowship and tribal needs to a need for a God with decent moral values?

Regards
DL
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Chatter / Re: Gun Fails
« Last post by jdawg70 on Today at 01:49:43 PM »
80+ year old in Tenn shot himself and his wife in church.  He was showing others in church his gun and how he is protecting them. I am still laughing over this one.  Darwin Award comes to mind.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/elderly-man-accidentally-shoots-wife-at-tennessee-church-during-talk-about-church-shooting/

Quote from: The Article
He pulled it back out and said, ‘With this loaded indicator, I can tell that it’s not loaded,'” according to Police Chief Russ Parks.

He then pulled the trigger, apparently forgetting he had put a round in the chamber.
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Chatter / Re: The End is Near (again)
« Last post by velkyn on Today at 01:35:38 PM »
Just wanted to say good bye and it was nice posting here all these years.  The world will end on Nov. 19th Sunday.  A planetary object called Nibiru will destroy the planet...or that is what I just read earlier today.  Hardly any time to organize a good party but what the heck...not much else to do.

wow, so that sucker is either moving at light speed and damn far away or it's invisible.   Now, I want an impressive "evil" planet like the one in Fifth Element. 

Multi-pass!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm
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Chatter / Re: Gun Fails
« Last post by Nick on Today at 01:35:32 PM »
80+ year old in Tenn shot himself and his wife in church.  He was showing others in church his gun and how he is protecting them. I am still laughing over this one.  Darwin Award comes to mind.
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Chatter / Re: The End is Near (again)
« Last post by wright on Today at 01:16:05 PM »
Nick, are you on some kind of mailing list for Apocalypse Support or something? If not, you might consider developing and patenting an Apocalypse Alert app; probably could make some pocket change from that.

Regardless, thanks for keeping the rest of us in the loop.
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Chatter / Re: The End is Near (again)
« Last post by stuffin on Today at 12:29:17 PM »
Nick,
   This time I'm going to pretend the world will continue on.  I know I am going against the grain.   The last dozen or so "end is near" predictions have just been too damaging - with bail money, maxed out credit cards, thefts, hangovers, and generally telling too many people what I really thought of them in the "last hours."  So you'll forgive me if I sit THIS Armageddon out.   ;)

BUT, BUT, BUT what if this is the real one? We need to prepare ourselves.

It just so happens my wife and I are meeting with our best friends tonight to discuss our Colorado Vacation at the end of January. It will be very sad for them to hear this devastating news, but once they realize the truth, we will party like it's 1999!!!!
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^^^^
I did warn him.



Shame on you, recruiting on an Athiest board. ?

Providing CD an opportunity to dialogue with a theist in a forum where CD won't be banned or kicked out for challenging theist ideas or scripture.  Hopefully that's welcome here :)

That's fine by me, I was just trolling with you.

We welcome debate/dialogue. Hope you're ready for what follows.


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Chatter / Re: The End is Near (again)
« Last post by shnozzola on Today at 11:50:23 AM »
Nick,
   This time I'm going to pretend the world will continue on.  I know I am going against the grain.   The last dozen or so "end is near" predictions have just been too damaging - with bail money, maxed out credit cards, thefts, hangovers, and generally telling too many people what I really thought of them in the "last hours."  So you'll forgive me if I sit THIS Armageddon out.   ;)
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Chatter / The End is Near (again)
« Last post by Nick on Today at 11:01:17 AM »
Just wanted to say good bye and it was nice posting here all these years.  The world will end on Nov. 19th Sunday.  A planetary object called Nibiru will destroy the planet...or that is what I just read earlier today.  Hardly any time to organize a good party but what the heck...not much else to do.
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Chatter / Re: Sex allegations against Alabama candidate Roy Moore
« Last post by velkyn on Today at 10:45:19 AM »
^^^^that would be a wonderful idea
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