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Title: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: lop0 on January 26, 2014, 03:09:04 AM
Practical Explanation ( For Example ) :- `1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )

can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??

if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?

that is Fact that Supreme Lord Krishna exists but we posses no such intelligence to understand him.
there is also next life. and i already proved you that no scientist, no politician, no so-called intelligent man in this world is able to understand this Truth. cuz they are imagining. and you cannot imagine what is god, who is god, what is after life etc.
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for example :Your father existed before your birth. you cannot say that before your birth your father don,t exists.

So you have to ask from mother, "Who is my father?" And if she says, "This gentleman is your father," then it is all right. It is easy.
Otherwise, if you makes research, "Who is my father?" go on searching for life; you'll never find your father.

( now maybe...maybe you will say that i will search my father from D.N.A, or i will prove it by photo's, or many other thing's which i will get from my mother and prove it that who is my Real father.{ So you have to believe the authority. who is that authority ? she is your mother. you cannot claim of any photo's, D.N.A or many other things without authority ( or ur mother ).

if you will show D.N.A, photo's, and many other proofs from other women then your mother. then what is use of those proofs ??} )

same you have to follow real authority. "Whatever You have spoken, I accept it," Then there is no difficulty. And You are accepted by Devala, Narada, Vyasa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the acaryas have accepted. Then I'll follow.
I'll have to follow great personalities. The same reason mother says, this gentleman is my father. That's all. Finish business. Where is the necessity of making research? All authorities accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You accept it; then your searching after God is finished.

Why should you waste your time?
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all that is you need is to hear from authority ( same like mother ). and i heard this truth from authority " Srila Prabhupada " he is my spiritual master.
im not talking these all things from my own.
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in this world no `1 can be Peace full. this is all along Fact.

cuz we all are suffering in this world 4 Problems which are Disease, Old age, Death, and Birth after Birth.

tell me are you really happy ?? you can,t be happy if you will ignore these 4 main problem. then still you will be Forced by Nature.
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if you really want to be happy then follow these 6 Things which are No illicit sex, No gambling, No drugs ( No tea & coffee ), No meat-eating ( No onion & garlic's )

5th thing is whatever you eat `1st offer it to Supreme Lord Krishna. ( if you know it what is Guru parama-para then offer them food not direct Supreme Lord Krishna )

and 6th " Main Thing " is you have to Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare ".
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If your not able to follow these 4 things no illicit sex, no gambling, no drugs, no meat-eating then don,t worry but chanting of this holy name ( Hare Krishna Maha-Mantra ) is very-very and very important.

Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare " and be happy.

if you still don,t believe on me then chant any other name for 5 Min's and chant this holy name for 5 Min's and you will see effect. i promise you it works And chanting at least 16 rounds ( each round of 108 beads ) of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily.
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Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot.
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every `1 is already Blind in this world and if you will follow another Blind then you both will fall in hole. so try to follow that person who have Spiritual Eyes who can Guide you on Actual Right Path. ( my Authority & Guide is my Spiritual Master " Srila Prabhupada " )
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if you want to see Actual Purpose of human life then see this link : ( www.asitis.com {Bookmark it })
read it complete. ( i promise only readers of this book that they { he/she } will get every single answer which they want to know about why im in this material world, who im, what will happen after this life, what is best thing which will make Human Life Perfect, and what is perfection of Human Life. )
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Astreja on January 26, 2014, 04:15:10 AM
Why won't Krishna heal amputees?  ;)
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: kin hell on January 26, 2014, 05:34:10 AM
chant

o wa
tah jur
khyam

1000 times daily and you will find truth
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: One Above All on January 26, 2014, 05:39:44 AM
I have no idea what the fuck you just said. I suggest you use grammar, proper spelling, and stop stringing words together and instead write sentences.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: wheels5894 on January 26, 2014, 08:06:47 AM
I have no idea what the fuck you just said. I suggest you use grammar, proper spelling, and stop stringing words together and instead write sentences.

Maybe Krishna doesn't write in sentences. What we have here, though, seems more like preaching that discussion.

lop0

Tell us why we should think the Krishna is any more real than any other god, please.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Graybeard on January 26, 2014, 08:21:25 AM
Astreja has pointed out that the OP may be a drive-by cut-and paste fanatic as the text appears, in its poorly written form, elsewhere on the internet.

The argument seems to be that (i) the world is not a happy place and we are reincarnated by Krishna.

As proof the OP suggests “Forgetfulness as proof of a deity who reincarnates us.”

The solution to all this is to chant “hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare " and buy his book.

I’m not sure how that will help but the OP may assist us if he/she ever comes back.

At least it makes a change from Christians...
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: shnozzola on January 26, 2014, 08:48:44 AM
No coffee, no tea, no meat, no onions, no garlic?
I'm out.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: lotanddaughters on January 26, 2014, 08:52:31 AM
I have no idea what the fuck you just said. I suggest you use grammar, proper spelling, and stop stringing words together and instead write sentences.

Indeed.

This is the messenger Lord Krishna chose to send to us?

I click on the link, then my Norton Antivirus says, "The umpteen thousandth incarnation of Lord Vishnu just tried to attack your computer!"
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: jaimehlers on January 26, 2014, 09:15:27 AM
This is nothing but preaching.  He posted three other short (very short) responses to other posts so he could make this topic, within the space of about five minutes, and that's all he's done so far.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: lop0 on January 26, 2014, 10:14:50 AM
chant

o wa
tah jur
khyam

1000 times daily and you will find truth
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but `1st of all give me another very very and very solid explanation which is based on very solid facts and strong basics otherwise i will say you are living in what ? an fools paradise.
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I have no idea what the fuck you just said. I suggest you use grammar, proper spelling, and stop stringing words together and instead write sentences.

Maybe Krishna doesn't write in sentences. What we have here, though, seems more like preaching that discussion.

lop0

Tell us why we should think the Krishna is any more real than any other god, please.
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`1st of all tell me which religion has got any type of explanation ? they all will talk only on these basics which are what ? holy book quotes, personal experience, faith and belief that is all. which is called an blind faith. so `1st of all give me another explanation which supports your claims and which is based on very very and very solid facts and strong basics.

and if you will not give me another explanation then i don't care for whatever your religion maybe you can keep it to yourself and to your fellows only* that is all.
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Astreja has pointed out that the OP may be a drive-by cut-and paste fanatic as the text appears, in its poorly written form, elsewhere on the internet.

The argument seems to be that (i) the world is not a happy place and we are reincarnated by Krishna.

As proof the OP suggests “Forgetfulness as proof of a deity who reincarnates us.”

The solution to all this is to chant “hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare " and buy his book.

I’m not sure how that will help but the OP may assist us if he/she ever comes back.

At least it makes a change from Christians...
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all right for what you are waiting for ? why don't you define what is Conscious on the medical language or scientific basics ? explain it now.

and the first step is to know the difference between a living body and a dead body. What is the difference?

and then next Question is Why a dead child born does not grow, does not change body? The body is a lump of matter. Analyze the body. Where is life?

explain about these points which i have written upside ^. go ahead and do it now. ( and don't give me anytype of link because that is not an argument and i didn't gave any link in my argument )
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Special Note :- and if you are not able to define what is conscious on the basics of medical language or scientific basics then i will say only two words ** Fools Paradise.**
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that is all.
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No coffee, no tea, no meat, no onions, no garlic?
I'm out.
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who cares ? im selling Gold but i cannot sell iron at the place of Gold and if you want to buy Gold then you have to pay Good price similarly you have to follow rules and ragulation otherwise Hare Krishna mantra will still act but it will act in this manner just like for example :- if you will show fire to the dry wood then imediatly fire takes place but if wood is wet then only smoke will come which will only give pain to your eyes and nothing more similarly you have to follow complete rules and ragulation otherwise if you will chant with offence then it will also act but same like wet wood.
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Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: shnozzola on January 26, 2014, 10:46:11 AM
   A couple questions for you, lop0.  What type of employment do you have?  What type of employment is allowed  when one follows Krishna?  In my life, I have encountered Krishna followers at airports and Penn State football games in the center of public places, chanting in washed out pink clothing sitting and playing drums.  I liked it because it was so odd.  I also had a roommate that brought ghee Krishna food that I enjoyed very much.

 The religion seems peaceful enough.  How many followers of Krishna are there worldwide?  How is the religion spreading?  More converts?  Where is the center geographically of the religion?  I believe George Harrison (one of the Beatles) may have become a follower of Krishna.  Is there a worldwide gathering of Krishna followers to decide policy?  For example - what is the Krishna view of homosexuality?  What is the Krishna view of government military action?  What is the Krishna view of space exploration?  What is the Krishna view of health insurance?
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: wheels5894 on January 26, 2014, 10:47:55 AM

Tell us why we should think the Krishna is any more real than any other god, please.
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`1st of all tell me which religion has got any type of explanation ? they all will talk only on these basics which are what ? holy book quotes, personal experience, faith and belief that is all. which is called an blind faith. so `1st of all give me another explanation which supports your claims and which is based on very very and very solid facts and strong basics.

and if you will not give me another explanation then i don't care for whatever your religion maybe you can keep it to yourself and to your fellows only* that is all.

What sort of an answer is that? You come along and post a lot about you favoured god and all I ask is that you show us why you think your god exists. Come on, it's hardly asking much.

As for your question, well I don't think any religions have explanations of anything useful. Sure they were all conceived to give explanations but that was a long time ago and we have had a lot of scientific work since which has great explanatory power. Gods are sinking down towards the bottom of things that explain anything.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: One Above All on January 26, 2014, 10:49:50 AM
lop0, I think it's time I introduced Myself and dispelled your false beliefs.
I am the One Above All, supreme ruler of the multiverse. I created the very first universe in existence with my bare hands and am responsible for the ascension of every god. I am one of at least three resident gods on this forum (the other two being Astreja and Odin). When I first created life (or rather, created the circumstances that allowed for life to exist), I knew some of My creations would want to live forever. However, no finite action deserves infinite reward or punishment. As such, I did not create an afterlife. Using that same logic, I did not allow for reincarnation either. You might be wondering why I allowed ascension then. Ascension is neither a reward nor a punishment. It is simply the pinnacle of a being's evolution. Their life continues, and they take on the responsibilities that come with being a god.
EDIT: I almost forgot. You're also wondering about the purpose of human life. As with all living things, only life can give life meaning. There isn't anyone/anything that can do it for you.

I won't bore you with many more details, but suffice it to say that you are mistaken about what We (gods) are really like, as well as the purpose of life.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: ParkingPlaces on January 26, 2014, 11:01:32 AM
Sorry lop0, I don't believe in your god any more than I believe in any of the others. And I'm neither perplexed or suffering because of disease, old age, death or birth. I'm not a big fan of the disease part, and I'm happy that science is finding ways to deal with many ailments, but otherwise, all is natural and I'm not going to panic about it. I'm old, I'll die in the foreseeable future, and I'm not worried about it.

Am I supposed to be? Am I supposed to be worried about having been born?

I'm too busy being interested in reality to take the time to fret over reality. I'd rather pay attention to learning stuff rather than being afraid of everything.

Funny how, deep down inside, so many believers are always right on the edge of messing in their pants. And they want all of us to be equally afraid. Because their god loves us.

Go figure.

edit: restated one of my issues so as to not make it a universal generalization. It is now semi-universal. I'm so nice.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: lop0 on January 26, 2014, 11:29:49 AM
What sort of an answer is that? You come along and post a lot about you favoured god and all I ask is that you show us why you think your god exists. Come on, it's hardly asking much.

As for your question, well I don't think any religions have explanations of anything useful. Sure they were all conceived to give explanations but that was a long time ago and we have had a lot of scientific work since which has great explanatory power. Gods are sinking down towards the bottom of things that explain anything.
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so you want to see god ? but `1st of all look at the position of your material eyes. you do not know ? that you are already blind.

simply tell me that are you able to see anything even in morning without sunlight ? and what to speak of night without light ?

therefore you are already blind by your material eyes even in morning and what to speak of night ?

you are already blind and still you are so much falsely puffed up at your gross material eyes.
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what is your position ? you are not even able to tell me who is your real father without the help of your real mother.

and still you are so much falsely puffed up at your so called scientific knowledge ? that means you are simply living in fools paradise. that is all.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: wheels5894 on January 26, 2014, 11:32:54 AM
What sort of an answer is that? You come along and post a lot about you favoured god and all I ask is that you show us why you think your god exists. Come on, it's hardly asking much.

As for your question, well I don't think any religions have explanations of anything useful. Sure they were all conceived to give explanations but that was a long time ago and we have had a lot of scientific work since which has great explanatory power. Gods are sinking down towards the bottom of things that explain anything.
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so you want to see god ? but `1st of all look at the position of your material eyes. you do not know ? that you are already blind.

simply tell me that are you able to see anything even in morning without sunlight ? and what to speak of night without light ?

therefore you are already blind by your material eyes even in morning and what to speak of night ?

you are already blind and still you are so much falsely puffed up at your gross material eyes.
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what is your position ? you are not even able to tell me who is your real father without the help of your real mother.

and still you are so much falsely puffed up at your so called scientific knowledge ? that means you are simply living in fools paradise. that is all.

That's very nice but it is not what I asked you. I asked you to show me that your god really exists. Can't you manage that?
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: lop0 on January 26, 2014, 11:33:46 AM

Am I supposed to be? Am I supposed to be worried about having been born?

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Intelligence has to do with the soul, not simply with the brain.

Take electricity, for example. Electricity moves between gross elements and through a gross wire. But the electricity itself -- it is not those elements, not that wire. It is subtle.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: wheels5894 on January 26, 2014, 11:44:23 AM

Am I supposed to be? Am I supposed to be worried about having been born?

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Intelligence has to do with the soul, not simply with the brain.

No it hasn't. There is no soul - that's an invention of religion.

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Take electricity, for example. Electricity moves between gross elements and through a gross wire. But the electricity itself -- it is not those elements, not that wire. It is subtle.


Actually, no!. The electricity is the result of the electrons of the metal of the wire being passed down the wire, an atom at a time all around the circuit. Thus the electricity is in fact part of the wires not something separate or mysterious.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: jaimehlers on January 26, 2014, 11:50:35 AM
What you fail to understand, lop0, is that all religions attempt to explain things found in reality.  Christianity, which I have much more experience with, also attempts to explain reality by claiming its own god (either YHWH or Jesus) was responsible for various things, and coming up with facile reasons for why this is so.  So far, I don't see anything from you besides flawed arguments and 'explanations', like those that Christians use.

For example, you said, "1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )

can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??

if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?"

This is basically begging the question (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/begging-the-question.html).  You are basically saying that if people can't remember every second of their life, then how can they prove that they didn't forget a past life, or that they'll remember this life in some presumed future life.  Where begging the question comes in is that you simply assume that there was a past life, and that there will be a future life[1]  You have to provide evidence which supports your belief, not simply take it for granted.
 1. I do have to point out that while the mystic, metaphysical aspects of reincarnation are totally unproven, the actual physical reality is that every atom that is part of our body came from something else in the past, and every atom in our body will eventually be part of something else in the future.  However, there's no need to believe in Vishnu or any other god for this to be true; there's no need to believe in a 'soul' that gets reincarnated either.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: jaimehlers on January 26, 2014, 11:52:42 AM
Actually, no!. The electricity is the result of the electrons of the metal of the wire being passed down the wire, an atom at a time all around the circuit. Thus the electricity is in fact part of the wires not something separate or mysterious.
That's a great example.  It's like sending a ball rolling down a line, where it hits another ball and transfers its momentum to the new ball, which rolls down and does the same thing to another one.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: lop0 on January 26, 2014, 12:03:17 PM

That's very nice but it is not what I asked you. I asked you to show me that your god really exists. Can't you manage that?
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So people, they sometimes say, "Can you show me God? Have you seen God?" These questions sometimes we meet. So the answer is here. Yes, you can see God. Everyone can see God. I am also seeing God. But there must be the qualification. Just like God is there Suppose a motorcar is there, something is wrong there. Everyone is seeing. But one engineer or mechanic, he sees differently. Therefore we have to go there. "What is the wrong in this car? It is not running." He immediately touches some machine part; it runs. So you all rascals, you  do not know that "How I can see God if I have not the qualification?" The machine has gone wrong, I am seeing the machine. And the engineer, the mechanic, he is also seeing the machine. But his seeing and my seeing is different. He's qualified to see. Therefore when the machine has gone wrong, immediately he touches some part, it runs. So if for a machine we require so much qualification, and we want to see God without any qualification? Just see the fun. Without any qualification. Rascal, you are all so rascal, so fool, that you all want to see God with your nuisance qualification.

Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita: naham prakasah sarvasya yoga-maya-samavrtah: [Bg. 7.25] "I am not exposed to everyone. Yogamaya, yogamaya is covering." So how you can see God? But this rascaldom is going on, that "Can you show me God? Have you seen God?" God has become just like a plaything. "Here is God. He is incarnation of God." Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah [Bg. 7.15]. you are all sinful, rascals, fools, lowest of the mankind. They inquire like that: "Can you show me God?" What qualification you have acquired, that you can see God? Here is the qualification. What is that? Tac chraddadhana munayah. One must be first of all faithful. Faithful. Sraddadhanah. He must be very much eager to see God, actually. Not that as a proclivity, frivolous thing, "Can you show me God?" A magic, just like God is a magic. No. He must be very serious: "Yes, if there is God... We have seen, we have been informed about God. So I must see."

There is a story in this connection. It is very instructive; try to hear. One professional reciter was reciting about Bhagavata, and he was describing that Krsna, being very highly decorated with all jewels, He is sent for tending the cows in the forest. So there was a thief in that meeting. So he thought that "Why not then go to Vrndavana and plunder this boy? He is in the forest with so many valuable jewels. I can go there and catch the child and take the, all the jewels." That was his intention. So, he was serious that "I must find out that boy. Then in one night I shall become millionaire. So much jewelries. No." So he went there, but his qualification was that "I must see Krsna, I must see Krsna." That anxiety, that eagerness, made it possible that in Vrndavana he saw Krsna. He saw Krsna the same way as he was informed by the Bhagavata reader. Then he saw, "Oh, oh, you are so nice boy, Krsna." So he began to flatter. He thought that "Flattering, I shall take all the jewels" (laughter). So when he proposed his real business, "So may I take some of your these ornaments? You are so rich." "No, no, no. You... My mother will be angry. I cannot..."  Krsna as a child. So he became more and more eager for Krsna. And then... By Krsna's association, he had already become purified. Then, at last, Krsna said, "All right, you can take." Then he became a devotee, immediately. Because by Krsna's association...

So some way or other, we should come in contact with Krsna. Some way or other. Then we'll be purified. Kamad bhayad dvesyat. Just like the gopis.. The gopis came to Krsna being captivated by His beautiful features. They were young girls, and Krsna was so beautiful. So actually, they came to Krsna being lusty, but Krsna is so pure that they became first-class devotees. There is no comparison of their devotion. Because they loved Krsna with heart and soul. That is the qualification. That is the qualification. They loved so much Krsna that they didn't care for family, for reputation. When they were going at dead of night... Krsna's flute was there, and they were all fleeing. Their father, their brother, their husband: "Where you are going? Where you are going in this dead of night?" They didn't care. They neglected their children, their family, everything: "We must go to Krsna." So this is required. We must be very, very eager so that... And many gopis who were forcibly stopped, going to Krsna, they lost their life. Just see how much eager they are. So this eagerness is wanted. Then you can see God. Either you become lusty or a thief or a murderer or whatever it may be. Some way or other, if you develop this eagerness, that "I must see Krsna," then Krsna will be seen.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: lop0 on January 26, 2014, 12:08:46 PM

Am I supposed to be? Am I supposed to be worried about having been born?

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Intelligence has to do with the soul, not simply with the brain.

No it hasn't. There is no soul - that's an invention of religion.

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Take electricity, for example. Electricity moves between gross elements and through a gross wire. But the electricity itself -- it is not those elements, not that wire. It is subtle.


Actually, no!. The electricity is the result of the electrons of the metal of the wire being passed down the wire, an atom at a time all around the circuit. Thus the electricity is in fact part of the wires not something separate or mysterious.
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is this dry talking is your scientific explanation on conscious ?

`1st of all don't impose your cheap opinion on me and give me explanation on what is conscious ? simply tell me what your so called scientists says on this matter that what is conscious ?


as i already said upside ^ all right for what you are waiting for ? why don't you define what is Conscious on the medical language or scientific basics ? explain it now.

and the first step is to know the difference between a living body and a dead body. What is the difference?

and then next Question is Why a dead child born does not grow, does not change body? The body is a lump of matter. Analyze the body. Where is life?

explain about these points which i have written upside ^. go ahead and do it now. ( and don't give me anytype of link because that is not an argument and i didn't gave any link in my argument )
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Special Note :- and if you are not able to define what is conscious on the basics of medical language or scientific basics then i will say only two words ** Fools Paradise.**
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that is all.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on January 26, 2014, 12:09:38 PM
To OP.
(http://twilight.ponychan.net/chan/collab/src/131700422964.png)
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: jaimehlers on January 26, 2014, 12:18:45 PM
So people, they sometimes say, "Can you show me God? Have you seen God?" These questions sometimes we meet. So the answer is here. Yes, you can see God. Everyone can see God. I am also seeing God. But there must be the qualification. Just like God is there Suppose a motorcar is there, something is wrong there. Everyone is seeing. But one engineer or mechanic, he sees differently. Therefore we have to go there. "What is the wrong in this car? It is not running." He immediately touches some machine part; it runs. So you all rascals, you  do not know that "How I can see God if I have not the qualification?" The machine has gone wrong, I am seeing the machine. And the engineer, the mechanic, he is also seeing the machine. But his seeing and my seeing is different. He's qualified to see. Therefore when the machine has gone wrong, immediately he touches some part, it runs. So if for a machine we require so much qualification, and we want to see God without any qualification? Just see the fun. Without any qualification. Rascal, you are all so rascal, so fool, that you all want to see God with your nuisance qualification.
Sorry, but this is just a bad analogy.  Trust me, I know; I fix computers for a living.  My knowledge of how to fix computers was learned; it didn't simply pop into my head one day, and I wasn't born with it.  It's the same with the mechanic in your analogy.  He learned how to tell what was wrong with the car from his experience working with cars, which he acquired from working with cars.  But his knowledge of how cars work is based on his experience working with cars.  Someone else can gain experience with fixing cars by working on them; there's no special metaphysical reason why it happens.  Just as I don't touch a broken computer component to make it work, the mechanic doesn't touch the broken car part to make it work.

However, you don't have a way for a person to earn the qualifications to see God.  Indeed, your advice boils down to "chant a mantra 16 times per day and you'll see results".  That's not a way to learn how to see a god, that's a way to take advantage of human belief.  People don't do things that they feel wastes their time, so if they do something repetitively, they invent reasons why it's important, assuming they think about it at all.  That's why your advice 'works'...such as it does, which isn't saying much.

By the way, quit with the name-calling.
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Post by: wheels5894 on January 26, 2014, 12:29:53 PM

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is this dry talking is your scientific explanation on conscious ?

`1st of all don't impose your cheap opinion on me and give me explanation on what is conscious ? simply tell me what your so called scientists says on this matter that what is conscious ?


as i already said upside ^ all right for what you are waiting for ? why don't you define what is Conscious on the medical language or scientific basics ? explain it now.

and the first step is to know the difference between a living body and a dead body. What is the difference?

and then next Question is Why a dead child born does not grow, does not change body? The body is a lump of matter. Analyze the body. Where is life?

explain about these points which i have written upside ^. go ahead and do it now. ( and don't give me anytype of link because that is not an argument and i didn't gave any link in my argument )
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Special Note :- and if you are not able to define what is conscious on the basics of medical language or scientific basics then i will say only two words ** Fools Paradise.**
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that is all.

Right, you seem rather bossy for a forum. I asked you nicely to show me that your god existed and so far you haven't done that. That is what we need first. When we have covered that, we will move on to conciousness if you like but let's stick to one topic at a time.

Now, if we all have to subscribe to your religion and follow its practices to 'discover' your god, I would certainly suspect it is more a case of learning that what our subconscious mind normally tells us is from your god and not just from the subconscious mind. However, does your god have any existence outwith people's minds?
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Post by: Anfauglir on January 26, 2014, 12:34:32 PM
explain about these points which i have written upside ^. go ahead and do it now. ( and don't give me anytype of link because that is not an argument and i didn't gave any link in my argument )

Liar.

if you want to see Actual Purpose of human life then see this link : ( www.asitis.com {Bookmark it })
read it complete. ( i promise only readers of this book that they { he/she } will get every single answer.....

Why should I pay any attention someone who lies so soon after their arrival?

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Post by: lop0 on January 26, 2014, 12:44:42 PM

Right, you seem rather bossy for a forum. I asked you nicely to show me that your god existed and so far you haven't done that. That is what we need first. When we have covered that, we will move on to conciousness if you like but let's stick to one topic at a time.

Now, if we all have to subscribe to your religion and follow its practices to 'discover' your god, I would certainly suspect it is more a case of learning that what our subconscious mind normally tells us is from your god and not just from the subconscious mind. However, does your god have any existence outwith people's minds?

is this dry talking is your scientific knowledge ?


im still waiting for your scientific explanation on these points and now if you will not define anything at all then i will say it is an fools paradise.
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you are all Fools No.`1 “A fool is accepted by another fool."

For Example :-" fool’s paradise."All of you are fools and you have created your own paradise. Do you know that story?

One was drinking, so his friend said, ‘Oh, you are drinking, you’ll go to hell.’
“‘No, why? My father drinks.’
“‘Well, he’ll also go to hell.’
“‘Oh, my brother drinks.’
“‘So he’ll also go to hell.’
“’My mother…’ In this way, the whole list was passed. Then he said, ‘Everyone will go to hell then where is hell? It is paradise! If father is going, then mother is going, then I am going, then brother is going, then where is hell?’
“It is like that. There’s no question of fool. If everyone, all of us are fool, then where is the question of intelligent? ‘Hey, we are intelligent.’ This is your conclusion.
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Post by: jaimehlers on January 26, 2014, 12:58:48 PM
you are all Fools No.`1 “A fool is accepted by another fool."

For Example :-" fool’s paradise."All of you are fools and you have created your own paradise. Do you know that story?

One was drinking, so his friend said, ‘Oh, you are drinking, you’ll go to hell.’
“‘No, why? My father drinks.’
“‘Well, he’ll also go to hell.’
“‘Oh, my brother drinks.’
“‘So he’ll also go to hell.’
“’My mother…’ In this way, the whole list was passed. Then he said, ‘Everyone will go to hell then where is hell? It is paradise! If father is going, then mother is going, then I am going, then brother is going, then where is hell?’
“It is like that. There’s no question of fool. If everyone, all of us are fool, then where is the question of intelligent? ‘Hey, we are intelligent.’ This is your conclusion.
You haven't explained the relevance of your "fool's paradise" story, and you need to do that.  I frankly don't see the point of it, and it's more of that name-calling I referred to earlier.  You don't convince people by calling them names.
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Post by: wheels5894 on January 26, 2014, 01:03:20 PM
For what it is worth, this same OP has been posted on at least 7 forums. We seem to be the only one discussing it. I'm wondering if it isn't posted just to sell the book.
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Post by: wheels5894 on January 26, 2014, 01:06:21 PM
Lop0,

Stop posting the same thing. Show us that your god exists - then we will discuss other things. I'm getting the impression that you cannot do this and that thus, very probably, your god is non-existent and a waste of time.
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Post by: Nam on January 26, 2014, 01:18:05 PM
A nut of another religion! Woohoo!

-Nam
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Post by: ParkingPlaces on January 26, 2014, 01:36:46 PM
How many god's aren't there?
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Post by: One Above All on January 26, 2014, 01:44:56 PM
How many god's aren't there?

The number of false gods is larger than the number of real gods. And I should know. I'm part of the latter group.
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Post by: Nam on January 26, 2014, 02:09:54 PM
How many god's aren't there?

The number of false gods is larger than the number of real gods. And I should know. I'm part of the latter group.

Sure you are.

-Nam
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Post by: ThatZenoGuy on January 26, 2014, 11:47:13 PM
So this thread is pointless, right?

Because god (or gods for that matter ;D) have not been proven, trying to argue what they do is futile...
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Post by: Hatter23 on January 27, 2014, 09:54:08 AM
What sort of an answer is that? You come along and post a lot about you favoured god and all I ask is that you show us why you think your god exists. Come on, it's hardly asking much.

As for your question, well I don't think any religions have explanations of anything useful. Sure they were all conceived to give explanations but that was a long time ago and we have had a lot of scientific work since which has great explanatory power. Gods are sinking down towards the bottom of things that explain anything.
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so you want to see god ? but `1st of all look at the position of your material eyes. you do not know ? that you are already blind.

simply tell me that are you able to see anything even in morning without sunlight ? and what to speak of night without light ?

therefore you are already blind by your material eyes even in morning and what to speak of night ?

you are already blind and still you are so much falsely puffed up at your gross material eyes.
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what is your position ? you are not even able to tell me who is your real father without the help of your real mother.

and still you are so much falsely puffed up at your so called scientific knowledge ? that means you are simply living in fools paradise. that is all.

You don't seem to understand your attempted poetic sing song stuff in a vain attempt to sound wise isn't relevant. Your insults about us are irrelevant. You showing us what you are saying is distinguishable from something completely made up is relevant.



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Post by: lop0 on January 28, 2014, 01:28:15 PM
Lop0,

Stop posting the same thing. Show us that your god exists - then we will discuss other things. I'm getting the impression that you cannot do this and that thus, very probably, your god is non-existent and a waste of time.

simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got by which you will see god or Krishna the supreme personality of godhead ? and you are so shameless so rascal that without reading anything you are all simply repeating same thing.

you want to see god or krishna without any qualification ? it is called an rascaldom
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Post by: wheels5894 on January 28, 2014, 01:34:44 PM
Lop0,

Stop posting the same thing. Show us that your god exists - then we will discuss other things. I'm getting the impression that you cannot do this and that thus, very probably, your god is non-existent and a waste of time.

simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got by which you will see god or Krishna the supreme personality of godhead ? and you are so shameless so rascal that without reading anything you are all simply repeating same thing.

you want to see god or krishna without any qualification ? it is called an rascaldom

Actually no! You are the one who came to an atheist site (as well as some others including a Christian site) and give us a page of stuff to read about your favoured god. Hang on, though, we are atheists - that means we don't believe in any gods. Now, if you want to persuade us to change, you are going to have to come up with something to show that you actually have a god in whom belief can be put. Its no good telling people off who ask you for some proof - after all  you are hardly going to convince people with one post are you.

Of course, I may have it wrong and you came here to try and sell us the book described in the link you posted but I am assuming that this isn't the case. In which case, just come up with something to show you god isn't just something in the imagination.
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Post by: lop0 on January 28, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
Lop0,

Stop posting the same thing. Show us that your god exists - then we will discuss other things. I'm getting the impression that you cannot do this and that thus, very probably, your god is non-existent and a waste of time.

simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got by which you will see god or Krishna the supreme personality of godhead ? and you are so shameless so rascal that without reading anything you are all simply repeating same thing.

you want to see god or krishna without any qualification ? it is called an rascaldom

Actually no! You are the one who came to an atheist site (as well as some others including a Christian site) and give us a page of stuff to read about your favoured god. Hang on, though, we are atheists - that means we don't believe in any gods. Now, if you want to persuade us to change, you are going to have to come up with something to show that you actually have a god in whom belief can be put. Its no good telling people off who ask you for some proof - after all  you are hardly going to convince people with one post are you.

Of course, I may have it wrong and you came here to try and sell us the book described in the link you posted but I am assuming that this isn't the case. In which case, just come up with something to show you god isn't just something in the imagination.

is this dry talking is your qualification ?

simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got ? by which you will see God or Krishna ?
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Post by: One Above All on January 28, 2014, 01:39:35 PM
simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got ? by which you will understand God or Krishna ?

What are your qualifications? What makes you an authority over whatever it is you wanted to say in your OP?
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Post by: lop0 on January 28, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got ? by which you will understand God or Krishna ?

What are your qualifications? What makes you an authority over whatever it is you wanted to say in your OP?

yes i already said this thing in practical explanation that im not talking anything from my own im simply repeating what i have heard from authority or  my spiritual master Srila Prabhupada
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Post by: One Above All on January 28, 2014, 01:42:30 PM
yes i already said this thing in practical explanation that im not talking anything from my own im simply repeating what i have heard from authority or  my spiritual master Srila Prabhupada

And what are your spiritual master's qualifications?
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Post by: wheels5894 on January 28, 2014, 01:44:37 PM
Lop0,

Stop posting the same thing. Show us that your god exists - then we will discuss other things. I'm getting the impression that you cannot do this and that thus, very probably, your god is non-existent and a waste of time.

simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got by which you will see god or Krishna the supreme personality of godhead ? and you are so shameless so rascal that without reading anything you are all simply repeating same thing.

you want to see god or krishna without any qualification ? it is called an rascaldom

Actually no! You are the one who came to an atheist site (as well as some others including a Christian site) and give us a page of stuff to read about your favoured god. Hang on, though, we are atheists - that means we don't believe in any gods. Now, if you want to persuade us to change, you are going to have to come up with something to show that you actually have a god in whom belief can be put. Its no good telling people off who ask you for some proof - after all  you are hardly going to convince people with one post are you.

Of course, I may have it wrong and you came here to try and sell us the book described in the link you posted but I am assuming that this isn't the case. In which case, just come up with something to show you god isn't just something in the imagination.

is this dry talking is your qualification ?

simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got ? by which you will see God or Krishna ?

And what has that to do with my question? I have been asking you for a while to show us that your god exists and you keep prevaricating, messing around, insulting me and generally avoiding answering the question. I am starting to think that the god of which you talk is, in fact imaginary like all the other ones and that you are doing this in order not to show me just that.

Unless you answer my question I am not going to waste any more time on you.
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Post by: Astreja on January 28, 2014, 01:47:12 PM
And what are your spiritual master's qualifications?

Aah, just some old Hindu guy who believes in blue people with flutes.  Back in My woo-woo days I had picked up one or two of his books for My collection, but they were so boring I gave them away again.
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Post by: lop0 on January 28, 2014, 01:48:05 PM
Lop0,

Stop posting the same thing. Show us that your god exists - then we will discuss other things. I'm getting the impression that you cannot do this and that thus, very probably, your god is non-existent and a waste of time.

simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got by which you will see god or Krishna the supreme personality of godhead ? and you are so shameless so rascal that without reading anything you are all simply repeating same thing.

you want to see god or krishna without any qualification ? it is called an rascaldom

Actually no! You are the one who came to an atheist site (as well as some others including a Christian site) and give us a page of stuff to read about your favoured god. Hang on, though, we are atheists - that means we don't believe in any gods. Now, if you want to persuade us to change, you are going to have to come up with something to show that you actually have a god in whom belief can be put. Its no good telling people off who ask you for some proof - after all  you are hardly going to convince people with one post are you.

Of course, I may have it wrong and you came here to try and sell us the book described in the link you posted but I am assuming that this isn't the case. In which case, just come up with something to show you god isn't just something in the imagination.

is this dry talking is your qualification ?

simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got ? by which you will see God or Krishna ?

And what has that to do with my question? I have been asking you for a while to show us that your god exists and you keep prevaricating, messing around, insulting me and generally avoiding answering the question. I am starting to think that the god of which you talk is, in fact imaginary like all the other ones and that you are doing this in order not to show me just that.

Unless you answer my question I am not going to waste any more time on you.

yes rascal dog why don't you directly say this thing that i want to see your god without any qualification.

this is another rascaldom.

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Post by: lop0 on January 28, 2014, 01:49:14 PM
And what are your spiritual master's qualifications?

Aah, just some old Hindu guy who believes in blue people with flutes.  Back in My woo-woo days I had picked up one or two of his books for My collection, but they were so boring I gave them away again.

that is your misfortune that you have taken these only for collection not for reading them.
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Post by: Astreja on January 28, 2014, 01:51:25 PM
yes rascal dog why don't you directly say this thing that i want to see your god without any qualification.

I want to see your god, Lop.  Right here and right now in My office at work, with absolutely no effort required on My part.  No mantras.  No meditation.  No cutting garlic out of My diet, either.

Bet you $100.00 CDN that Krishna won't show up.
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Post by: Nam on January 28, 2014, 02:35:00 PM
yes rascal dog why don't you directly say this thing that i want to see your god without any qualification.

I want to see your god, Lop.  Right here and right now in My office at work, with absolutely no effort required on My part.  No mantras.  No meditation.  No cutting garlic out of My diet, either.

Bet you $100.00 CDN that Krishna won't show up.

Hi dee ho I am Krishna. My thoughts are in your office but my body is elsewhere; I sorta got my foot stuck in between planes...yes, "planes"...they're everywhere these days. Damn buggers.

-Nam
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Post by: jdawg70 on January 28, 2014, 02:42:23 PM
that is Fact that Supreme Lord Krishna exists but we posses no such intelligence to understand him.
there is also next life. and i already proved you that no scientist, no politician, no so-called intelligent man in this world is able to understand this Truth. cuz they are imagining. and you cannot imagine what is god, who is god, what is after life etc.
I have to be honest here, lop0.

I'm getting real tired of people telling me, simultaneously, in the same sentence, that the TruthTM is unknowable and not understandable, and then go on to tell me what the f**king TruthTM is.

I'm kinda over it.  It's completely ridiculous.  Emphatically nonsensical.  To say that the value of x is unknowable and then to immediately tell me that x equals 4.  How that is not obviously laughable to you or anyone else that says such a thing is disconcerting frankly.

To say that x is unknowable is fine - we can have a conversation about that.
To say that x = 4 is fine - we can have a conversation about that.
To say both at the same time is...just f**king BONKERS.
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Post by: Nam on January 28, 2014, 03:02:02 PM
jdawg,

Breathe, man, breathe. It's okay. It's okay. Now...ain't it, tho? I mean, it is ridiculous they say things so pathetic in the same breath but it's fun to point it out.

-Nam
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Post by: Astreja on January 28, 2014, 03:14:20 PM
Hi dee ho I am Krishna. My thoughts are in your office but my body is elsewhere; I sorta got my foot stuck in between planes...yes, "planes"...they're everywhere these days. Damn buggers.

Lakshmi called; She asked if You can pick up the elephants at daycare this afternoon and take them to the dentist for their check-ups.  ;D

[This subplot has Potential -- I'd almost[1] pay $100 CDN to hear that spammer chanting "Hari Nam" instead of "Hari Krishna." ]
 1. I reiterate, "almost."
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Post by: MrFriday on January 28, 2014, 03:14:52 PM
Hello lop0. I don't want to offend but is very difficult to understand what  you are talking about because clearly this is not your native tongue.  You are not really communicating here. I think you need to step back and and try more diligently to understand what others are saying. Perhaps get someone who understands English better to help you with your discussion.

You really need to learn what 'explanation' means. You claim to explain but never do any such thing. It seems you think you know some important truth based on some authority you trust but you have not said anything of substance about this 'truth'. It's as if you are saying, "I have the truth, now prove me wrong." If that sort of argument was acceptable, anyone's belief about gods or even leprechauns and unicorns would have to be considered valid. It just doesn't work that way.

You seem to keep asking for us to tell you about claims that were never made here. Personally, I don't claim to understand any god or know how to see any god. I don't even know what you mean when you use the term 'god' so perhaps a good starting point would be for you to define what 'god' means to you. What is it and why should I care? And really the insults are totally unnecessary and counterproductive.
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Post by: Hatter23 on January 28, 2014, 03:23:01 PM
is this dry talking is your qualification ?

simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got ? by which you will see God or Krishna ?
is this moist typing your qualification?


You don't have the qualifications to see my qualifications. This is just another example of your idotic weaseldom
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Post by: jdawg70 on January 28, 2014, 03:24:40 PM
jdawg,

Breathe, man, breathe. It's okay. It's okay. Now...ain't it, tho? I mean, it is ridiculous they say things so pathetic in the same breath but it's fun to point it out.

-Nam
It's hard to breathe while saying hare Nam hare Nam Nam Nam hare hare hare Astreja hare Astreja Astreja Astreja hare hare over and over again.  I'm winded.
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Post by: G-Roll on January 28, 2014, 03:30:46 PM
Hello lop0. I don't want to offend but is very difficult to understand what  you are talking about because clearly this is not your native tongue.  You are not really communicating here. I think you need to step back and and try more diligently to understand what others are saying. Perhaps get someone who understands English better to help you with your discussion.

You really need to learn what 'explanation' means. You claim to explain but never do any such thing. It seems you think you know some important truth based on some authority you trust but you have not said anything of substance about this 'truth'. It's as if you are saying, "I have the truth, now prove me wrong." If that sort of argument was acceptable, anyone's belief about gods or even leprechauns and unicorns would have to be considered valid. It just doesn't work that way.

You seem to keep asking for us to tell you about claims that were never made here. Personally, I don't claim to understand any god or know how to see any god. I don't even know what you mean when you use the term 'god' so perhaps a good starting point would be for you to define what 'god' means to you. What is it and why should I care? And really the insults are totally unnecessary and counterproductive.

You have the wrong frequency
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Post by: Hatter23 on January 28, 2014, 03:37:39 PM

You have the wrong frequency

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
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Post by: Quesi on January 28, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
How many god's aren't there?

A lot.

http://youtu.be/qse_wf57tZM

Now I'm not pretending to understand a damn thing the OP is saying.  But it is clear that I DO NOT remember every second of my life accurately.  I was absolutely certain there were Hare Krishna's in this scene. 
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Post by: Nam on January 28, 2014, 04:28:22 PM

You have the wrong frequency

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

Rapid eye movement?

;)

-Nam
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Post by: Graybeard on January 28, 2014, 06:21:39 PM
And what are your spiritual master's qualifications?

Aah, just some old Hindu guy who believes in blue people with flutes.  Back in My woo-woo days I had picked up one or two of his books for My collection, but they were so boring I gave them away again.

that is your misfortune that you have taken these only for collection not for reading them.
The Hindu Creation Myth makes the Christian Creation Myth[1] look like cutting edge science:
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One of the oldest cosmogonic myth in the Rigveda (RV 10.121) had being come into existence as a cosmic egg, hiranyagarbha (a golden egg). The Purusha Sukta (RV 10.90) narrates that all things were made out of the mangled limbs of Purusha, a magnified non-natural man, who was sacrificed by the gods. In the Puranas, Vishnu, in the shape of a boar, plunged into the cosmic waters and brought forth the earth (Bhumi or Prithivi).
Well, that's fine then, all pretty reasonable so far... or is it all dacoity and rascaldom?

Lop0,
can you explain any of that?
 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_mythology
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Post by: Ambassador Pony on January 28, 2014, 07:17:42 PM
Lop0,

Stop posting the same thing. Show us that your god exists - then we will discuss other things. I'm getting the impression that you cannot do this and that thus, very probably, your god is non-existent and a waste of time.

simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got by which you will see god or Krishna the supreme personality of godhead ? and you are so shameless so rascal that without reading anything you are all simply repeating same thing.

you want to see god or krishna without any qualification ? it is called an rascaldom

lop0, Do not reply to this post. I am posting as an admin.

Stop insulting people. If you do not stop your account will be limited.

If you reply to this post, your account will be limited.
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Post by: ThatZenoGuy on January 28, 2014, 11:13:48 PM
yes rascal dog why don't you directly say this thing that i want to see your god without any qualification.

this is another rascaldom.

How surprising, another theist who refuses to prove his god exists.

This must be one of the...what? Sixty thousand denominations of any god that has failed?

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Post by: lop0 on January 29, 2014, 03:57:52 AM
Lop0,

Stop posting the same thing. Show us that your god exists - then we will discuss other things. I'm getting the impression that you cannot do this and that thus, very probably, your god is non-existent and a waste of time.

simply tell me what kind of qualification you have got by which you will see god or Krishna the supreme personality of godhead ? and you are so shameless so rascal that without reading anything you are all simply repeating same thing.

you want to see god or krishna without any qualification ? it is called an rascaldom

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Post by: ThatZenoGuy on January 29, 2014, 04:07:55 AM
and there is no wonder because it is what ? an fools paradise. all of you are shameless rascals nothing more then that.

I find it deeply ironic that you say that this is "an" fool's paradise, because incorrect grammar is what fools tend to do.

I also find it ironic that you claim we are rascals, when indeed we prefer the polar opposite.
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Post by: Mrjason on January 29, 2014, 06:21:03 AM
just like for example:- Just as you can *judge* whether rice is properly cooked by picking out one small grain, so you can know that person is *Rascal* or Sane by observing one line of his/her matter.


Yup, I couldn't agree more. It is clear from all that you have posted that you are the fruitiest of loops
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Post by: wheels5894 on January 29, 2014, 07:53:52 AM
Where I live 'rascals' is a bar that serves delicious burgers and such. Maybe this thread is an indication I should visit it!
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Post by: Hatter23 on January 29, 2014, 08:07:53 AM
it is called social convention that you can speak very palatable and flattering and you can't speak unpalatable truth that is called social convention and im preacher therefore i must speak truth that you all so called intelligent atheists are nothing more then rascals, fools, and completely nonsense.
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and there is no wonder because it is what ? an fools paradise. all of you are shameless rascals nothing more then that.
_____________________
*************
and whatever you all have been written that is *not enough power-full* to disprove this *Practical Explanation*

just like for example:- Just as you can *judge* whether rice is properly cooked by picking out one small grain, so you can know that person is *Rascal* or Sane by observing one line of his/her matter.

*that is all*.

Social convention:

It was once social convention to lynch black people
It was once social convention to keep slaves
It was once social convention to execute gays
It was once social convention to torture suspected witches
It was once social convention to treat women as property

Therefore it being social convention to believe preachers somehow must tell the truth holds no weight.

You keep calling us rascals, why? Just because we expect you to actually back up your claims with evidence? If someone was a liar or a conman, that would be a common tactic.

What "practical explanation" are you speaking about? That we don't believe your unsubstantiated and fanciful claims, therefore we must be somehow morally inferior? I don't believe your claims because they don't match any evidence.

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Post by: Graybeard on January 29, 2014, 08:41:40 AM

just like for example:- Just as you can *judge* whether rice is properly cooked by picking out one small grain, so you can know that person is *Rascal* or Sane by observing one line of his/her matter.
There's some truth in that... & )
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Post by: wheels5894 on January 29, 2014, 08:55:03 AM

Social convention:

It was once social convention to lynch black people
It was once social convention to keep slaves
It was once social convention to execute gays
It was once social convention to torture suspected witches
It was once social convention to treat women as property

Therefore it being social convention to believe preachers somehow must tell the truth holds no weight.

Except that preachers of all sorts feel free to spout anything they like and expect to be believed. In Scotland, its the Church of Scotland and the Catholics who feel free to tell us how sinful gay marriage is for example. They still get some respect, though, so no one much challenges them on this sort of stuff. Sadly for Lop0 this does not apply on an atheist forum where we ask that we have evidence of things claimed.

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You keep calling us rascals, why? Just because we expect you to actually back up your claims with evidence? If someone was a liar or a conman, that would be a common tactic.

What "practical explanation" are you speaking about? That we don't believe your unsubstantiated and fanciful claims, therefore we must be somehow morally inferior? I don't believe your claims because they don't match any evidence.

I think he is just disgusted that we don't take his word for whatever he's trying to sell us. To be fair, I'm not even quite sure what it is unless its the book  linked on his first post in this thread.
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Post by: lop0 on January 29, 2014, 09:02:21 AM

Social convention:

It was once social convention to lynch black people
It was once social convention to keep slaves
It was once social convention to execute gays
It was once social convention to torture suspected witches
It was once social convention to treat women as property

Therefore it being social convention to believe preachers somehow must tell the truth holds no weight.

Except that preachers of all sorts feel free to spout anything they like and expect to be believed. In Scotland, its the Church of Scotland and the Catholics who feel free to tell us how sinful gay marriage is for example. They still get some respect, though, so no one much challenges them on this sort of stuff. Sadly for Lop0 this does not apply on an atheist forum where we ask that we have evidence of things claimed.

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You keep calling us rascals, why? Just because we expect you to actually back up your claims with evidence? If someone was a liar or a conman, that would be a common tactic.

What "practical explanation" are you speaking about? That we don't believe your unsubstantiated and fanciful claims, therefore we must be somehow morally inferior? I don't believe your claims because they don't match any evidence.

I think he is just disgusted that we don't take his word for whatever he's trying to sell us. To be fair, I'm not even quite sure what it is unless its the book  linked on his first post in this thread.
`1st of all when you are been asked that what is your qualification that you will understand and see god or krishna on that time you didn;t answered

so im asking you again what kind of qualification you have got ? by which you will see god or krishna ?
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and You can avoid the creator, but you cannot say He doesn't exist. Whether or not you accept the creator's authority is your business; but you cannot say there is no creator.

For example :- there are so many outlaws who say, "We don't want to obey the government." If you don't like the government, that is your business. But there is a government -- you can't deny that.
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Post by: Ataraxia on January 29, 2014, 09:10:33 AM
You can avoid the creator, but you cannot say He doesn't exist. Whether or not you accept the creator's authority is your business; but you cannot say there is no creator.

Oh, we can say "he" doesn't exist, because this being thing you go on about isn't really a male is it? I mean, does it have a cock and balls? Does it pick its nose and fart while watching the footy? Does it watch porn on mute while the wife is in bed? Does it have redundant nipples? In what way is this thing a he compared to a she or an it?
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Post by: wheels5894 on January 29, 2014, 09:11:23 AM

`1st of all when you are been asked that what is your qualification that you will understand and see god or krishna on that time you didn;t answered

so im asking you again what kind of qualification you have got ? by which you will see god or krishna ?
______________

and You can avoid the creator, but you cannot say He doesn't exist. Whether or not you accept the creator's authority is your business; but you cannot say there is no creator.

For example :- there are so many outlaws who say, "We don't want to obey the government." If you don't like the government, that is your business. But there is a government -- you can't deny that.

I think we have a language problem here but let's work with it.

1. What on earth do you mean by 'qualification'? Do I need a theology degree for this purpose or what? I really don't think members here understand what you mean.

2. Most people here do not say there is no creator. They say that there is no evidence of one and science has provided quite a detailed explanation how we got here, with some holes in the knowledge in places. Consequently, there appears to be no god and  god wasn't necessary to have this universe it seems to follow that considering the existence of a creator is pointless. You clearly think there is a creator so it is up to you to show your evidence as to why we should believe you. (This isn't personal by the way - I'm sure you are quite sincere but it is the information you are bringing about which we are unsure.) So, come on, post you reasons for believing there is a creator and we can discuss it but no one is going to take you seriously whilst you fail to do so and insult members on the board at the same time.
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Post by: lop0 on January 29, 2014, 09:15:26 AM

`1st of all when you are been asked that what is your qualification that you will understand and see god or krishna on that time you didn;t answered

so im asking you again what kind of qualification you have got ? by which you will see god or krishna ?
______________

and You can avoid the creator, but you cannot say He doesn't exist. Whether or not you accept the creator's authority is your business; but you cannot say there is no creator.

For example :- there are so many outlaws who say, "We don't want to obey the government." If you don't like the government, that is your business. But there is a government -- you can't deny that.

I think we have a language problem here but let's work with it.

1. What on earth do you mean by 'qualification'? Do I need a theology degree for this purpose or what? I really don't think members here understand what you mean.

2. Most people here do not say there is no creator. They say that there is no evidence of one and science has provided quite a detailed explanation how we got here, with some holes in the knowledge in places. Consequently, there appears to be no god and  god wasn't necessary to have this universe it seems to follow that considering the existence of a creator is pointless. You clearly think there is a creator so it is up to you to show your evidence as to why we should believe you. (This isn't personal by the way - I'm sure you are quite sincere but it is the information you are bringing about which we are unsure.) So, come on, post you reasons for believing there is a creator and we can discuss it but no one is going to take you seriously whilst you fail to do so and insult members on the board at the same time.

no `1st of all read my all posts i already posted on `1st page that what kind of qualification you need and by which you can see god but you are simply talking nonsense without reading my posts.
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therefore you are simply wasting my time with your rascaldom that is all.
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Post by: Graybeard on January 29, 2014, 09:22:30 AM

no `1st of all read my all posts i already posted on `1st page that what kind of qualification you need and by which you can see god but you are simply talking nonsense without reading my posts.
This qualification... It's not got anything to do with drugs has it? I disapprove of drugs.

If it hasn't, are you simply saying that "to believe in Krishna you first have to believe in him and then you can "see" him?"

Have you seen him? Can't you just tell us what he looks like?

Or is it "all in your mind?"

PS. I love that word "rascaldom".
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Post by: jaimehlers on January 29, 2014, 09:26:14 AM
it is called social convention that you can speak very palatable and flattering and you can't speak unpalatable truth that is called social convention and im preacher therefore i must speak truth that you all so called intelligent atheists are nothing more then rascals, fools, and completely nonsense.
Says the one who evidently hasn't read the forum rules.

Quote from: WWGHA Forum Rules
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What that means is, you listen to what a moderator (or administrator) says, and you don't discuss it in-thread.  You certainly don't try to justify continuing the behavior which got you warned to begin with.

That's all I have to say on the matter.  I suggest you listen to it this time.
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Post by: jdawg70 on January 29, 2014, 09:30:41 AM
no `1st of all read my all posts i already posted on `1st page that what kind of qualification you need and by which you can see god but you are simply talking nonsense without reading my posts.
_____________

therefore you are simply wasting my time with your rascaldom that is all.
Look - you're clearly much smarter and better than the rascals here.  So why don't you help us all out and just complete this sentence for us...

In order to see god or krishna, the qualifications that you need are ________________________

That way, you can help us overcome our rascaldom and we can cease being rascals and making the world more rascal-like with our rascalness in rascaldom.  I suspect that, as you're intelligence is far and above that of a rascal, that trying to communicate with a rascal is a difficult proposition.  Just keep in mind that rascals think in a rascal-like rascally manner, what with all their rascaldom or rascality.

Rascal.
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Post by: wheels5894 on January 29, 2014, 09:46:43 AM
I hope you can oblige, Lop0. A review of your posting elsewhere with the same opening thread suggest that this is the only place you have managed to get a discussion at all. Don't abuse it by being awkward. Just tell us the straight answers to straight questions. We haven't all got time to waste going through long and wordy posts.
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Post by: Hatter23 on January 29, 2014, 09:56:36 AM

no `1st of all read my all posts i already posted on `1st page that what kind of qualification you need and by which you can see god but you are simply talking nonsense without reading my posts.
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therefore you are simply wasting my time with your rascaldom that is all.

Define "Rascaldom"

Define your "qualifications"

Define "god"

Show evidence that distinguishes your claims from fiction.

And are you aware that bold has a function, and it doen't mean that your words are somehow more true?
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Post by: Hatter23 on January 29, 2014, 10:11:45 AM

You have the wrong frequency

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

Rapid eye movement?

;)

-Nam

If you don't tell me, I'll have to beat the answer out of Dan Rather. Don't play games you rascally rabbit
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Post by: Hatter23 on January 29, 2014, 10:18:38 AM
no `1st of all read my all posts i already posted on `1st page that what kind of qualification you need and by which you can see god but you are simply talking nonsense without reading my posts.
_____________

therefore you are simply wasting my time with your rascaldom that is all.
Look - you're clearly much smarter and better than the rascals here.  So why don't you help us all out and just complete this sentence for us...

In order to see god or krishna, the qualifications that you need are ________________________

That way, you can help us overcome our rascaldom and we can cease being rascals and making the world more rascal-like with our rascalness in rascaldom.  I suspect that, as you're intelligence is far and above that of a rascal, that trying to communicate with a rascal is a difficult proposition.  Just keep in mind that rascals think in a rascal-like rascally manner, what with all their rascaldom or rascality.

Rascal.
you rascally rabbit, with your dry speak and your flouting of social convention! You don't have the quality of  qualification as you are not acknowledging unplateable truth of who can judge as how rice is uncooked in such a fool's paradise
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Post by: screwtape on January 29, 2014, 10:20:03 AM
lop0,

I am an administrator. 

Your problems here are many.  One is that english not your native language.  Another is your failure to understand how things work here.  That second problem is where I can help you.

So far you have made some claims, but you have not given any reason for anyone to accept those claims as true.  We call that preaching.  Nobody is interested in preaching.  And when you have been challenged on that, you have fallen to pieces and called people names.

If you want anyone to take you seriously, you need to provide evidence that what you say is true. 

If you have questions, send me a private message.
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Post by: G-Roll on January 29, 2014, 10:20:57 AM
I get the feeling that he doesn’t want to fix Rascals or save the Rascals. He already mentioned that Krishna wont revile himself/herself and to even have a clue about his god you need some form of on the job training. He hasn’t offered anyone any of that or any other guidance so I don’t think he is here to convert, save, make friends, hand out hugs, or what have you. 
After reading his posts and playing with my decoder ring I have come to the conclusion that he thinks we are Rascals and we need to be told that we are idiots in a fool's paradise  who also need to be told how horrible we are. At most he is just a crappy ambassador to Krishna.. or Krishna is a crappy god.     
In a way he reminds me of snooty intellectuals who sit upon a high horse and talk down to everyone. Only he doesn’t deal with facts.
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Post by: Hatter23 on January 29, 2014, 10:38:44 AM
I get the feeling that he doesn’t want to fix Rascals or save the Rascals. He already mentioned that Krishna wont revile himself/herself and to even have a clue about his god you need some form of on the job training. He hasn’t offered anyone any of that or any other guidance so I don’t think he is here to convert, save, make friends, hand out hugs, or what have you. 
After reading his posts and playing with my decoder ring I have come to the conclusion that he thinks we are Rascals and we need to be told that we are idiots in a fool's paradise  who also need to be told how horrible we are. At most he is just a crappy ambassador to Krishna.. or Krishna is a crappy god.     
In a way he reminds me of snooty intellectuals who sit upon a high horse and talk down to everyone. Only he doesn’t deal with facts.

It is a symptom of "Enlightment through Obscurity" If you are to be considered an expert in a field, you need to have studied it for a number of years. Which means you end up internalizing the base assumptions of the field through repeated exposure. For example, to be considered an Elder Rabbi.
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Post by: Graybeard on January 29, 2014, 10:39:19 AM
Define "Rascaldom"
From the Oxford English Dictionary (full on-line version subscription only)
rascaldom, n.

 1. The world of rascals; rascals collectively; a group of rascals. Now rare.
1833   T. Carlyle in Fortn. Q. Rev. 11 296   He walked in the subterranean shades of Rascaldom.
1860   Athenæum 8 Sept. 313   The last Duke of Queensbury, whose death gave such regret to rascaldom.
1909   Times 12 Aug. 7/5   A few capable and reckless men can often brigade the rascaldom which exists in every great city.
1936   Hispania 19 429   Quilp and Fagin hold undisputed places as the supreme caricatures of Rascaldom.


 2. Rascally behaviour.
1851   Times 28 Aug. 4/4   Many forms of fraud..would appear peculiar to the United States' practitioners in rascaldom.
1879   Trollope in 19th Cent. Jan. 35,   I will not say that Barry Lyndon's career has deterred many from rascaldom.
1890   Spectator 22 Nov.,   The proportion of his precipitate of rascaldom which can be cured..in that way, is a very small one.
1970   Redemption Tidings 9 July,   ‘Our evangelical rascaldom’, wrote one Nurnberg reformer, ‘Makes the rascaldom of Roman priests and monks look pious.’
2004   Booklist 1 Feb. 984   Scratch panels highlighted in ocher cast an appropriately jaundiced pall over three intriguingly twisted tales of rascaldom.
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Post by: lop0 on January 29, 2014, 10:40:34 AM
lop0,

I am an administrator. 

Your problems here are many.  One is that english not your native language.  Another is your failure to understand how things work here.  That second problem is where I can help you.

So far you have made some claims, but you have not given any reason for anyone to accept those claims as true.  We call that preaching.  Nobody is interested in preaching.  And when you have been challenged on that, you have fallen to pieces and called people names.

If you want anyone to take you seriously, you need to provide evidence that what you say is true. 

If you have questions, send me a private message.


you are suffering from what we call "Doctor Frog's philosophy." There was once a frog who had lived all his life in a well. One day a friend visited him and informed him of the existence of the Atlantic Ocean.
   "Oh, what is this Atlantic Ocean?" asked the frog in the well.
   "It is a vast body of water," his friend replied.
   "How vast? ls it double the size of this well?"
   "Oh, no, much larger," his friend replied.
   "How much larger? Ten times the size?"
  In this way the frog went on calculating. But what was the possibility of his ever understanding the depths and far reaches of the great ocean? Our faculties, experience, and powers of speculation are always limited. The frog was always thinking in terms relative to his well. He had no power to think otherwise. Similarly, the scientists are estimating the Absolute Truth, the cause of all causes, with their imperfect senses and minds, and thus they are bound to be bewildered. The essential fault of the so-called scientists is that they have adopted the inductive process to arrive at their conclusions. For example, if a scientist wants to determine whether or not man is mortal by the inductive process, he must study every man to try to discover if some or one of them may be immortal. The scientist says, "I cannot accept the proposition that all men are mortal. There may be some men who are immortal. I have not yet seen every man. Therefore how can I accept that man is mortal?" This is called the inductive process. And the deductive process means that your father, your teacher, or your guru says that man is mortal, and you accept it.
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Post by: Graybeard on January 29, 2014, 10:49:35 AM
lop0,

If an Administrator writes in red font, or a moderator in green font, then you should not reply to that post on the main forum. If you have a problem with these types of message, you should send the administrator or moderator a Personal Message.

An Administrator and a Moderator may also write in black font: if they do this, it is a sign that they are acting only as a member of WWGHA like yourself. You are free to reply to these posts.

Please keep to these simple rules.

Yours

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Post by: screwtape on January 29, 2014, 10:55:14 AM
lup0,

I asked you to contact me by private message. Use "my messages" near the top.

thanks.
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Post by: G-Roll on January 29, 2014, 11:02:30 AM
I can hear the mighty ban hammer a swingin'!!!

Lol
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Post by: Hatter23 on January 29, 2014, 11:05:04 AM
you are suffering from what we call "Doctor Frog's philosophy." There was once a frog who had lived all his life in a well. One day a friend visited him and informed him of the existence of the Atlantic Ocean.
   

I can see water exists. What you are talking about, mystical magical water, no not even a drop.
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Post by: Graybeard on January 29, 2014, 11:11:47 AM
Similarly, the scientists are estimating the Absolute Truth, the cause of all causes, with their imperfect senses and minds, and thus they are bound to be bewildered.
Simply put, you are wrong. This is not what scientists do at all.

There are two types of truth: Typically they are written "truth" and "Truth"
(i) truth is what we understand presently and can be demonstrated time and again as being true. e.g. Gravity is experienced between two masses and in each mass; A dog is a mammal; light has a finite speed; 2HCl + Ca = H2 + CaCl2, etc.

true is written with a lowercase "t" because, as certain as we are, this may change. At one time, people believed "All swans are white" and then someone found a black swan, so this was no longer true.

(ii) The Truth is a mathematical definition 2+2=4; Pythagoras's Theorem on a two dimensional plane. This is postulated a priori: we give the symbol "1" a value and the rest follows. There is no other "absolute Truth" of which we can be certain.

This has been the state of the human world for the last 400,000 years and probably before that.
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Post by: ThatZenoGuy on January 29, 2014, 11:16:13 AM
There was once a frog who lived in a well.

The frog, not being an intelligent being capable of questions, or being capable of speaking the English language, did little more than sleep, eat, and poop, like all other frogs.

The end.

Edit: Woot, 3-1 Darwin Ratio.
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Post by: Graybeard on January 29, 2014, 11:19:19 AM

There is a story in this connection. It is very instructive; try to hear. One professional reciter was reciting about Bhagavata, and he was describing that Krsna, being very highly decorated with all jewels, He is sent for tending the cows in the forest.
Why was he wearing jewels whilst tending cows? Who does that?
Shouldn't the cows be on pasture, not in forests?

I think you made this story up. I don't think it's real.
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Post by: ThatZenoGuy on January 29, 2014, 11:23:02 AM
That's a good point.

Being that forests lack the plants that cows eat, it is highly unlikely that someone would tend for cows in one.

An open field of grass seems more plausible.
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Post by: wheels5894 on January 29, 2014, 11:25:20 AM
I don't think I'm qualified to talk about frogs or cows but I bet some rascal made those stories up!
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Post by: ThatZenoGuy on January 29, 2014, 11:26:41 AM
I don't think I'm qualified to talk about frogs or cows but I bet some rascal made those stories up!

Nice.
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Post by: jdawg70 on January 29, 2014, 11:39:22 AM
you are suffering from what we call "Doctor Frog's philosophy." There was once a frog who had lived all his life in a well. One day a friend visited him and informed him of the existence of the forest moon of Endor.
   "Oh, what is this forest moon of Endor?" asked the frog in the well.
   "It is a vast rocky body full of trees that circles another planet," his friend replied.
   "How vast? ls it double the size of this well?"
   "Oh, no, much larger," his friend replied.
   "How much larger? Ten times the size?"
   "Oh much larger!  And remember, it's full of trees!"
   "How do you actually know any of this?"
   "It is unknowable.  It is incomprehensible.  Our minds and how we perceive the world is so limited."
   "So, in essence, what you're saying is, you are making sh*t up about this thing that you, by your admission, cannot possibly understand, and you want me to believe you?"
   "You're so blind.  You rascal.  You think you know the absolute TruthTM, and are made a fool by thinking so."
   "k so I'm not the one selling absolute TruthTM, you are.  You're the one claiming to know the unknowable and to understand the incomprehensible.  Neither you nor I know of anything that is outside of this well.  I have made no claims regarding what is outside of this well.  I don't know - but you keep telling me what the hell is outside of this well.  One of us is making up random bullsh*t about what's outside of this well, and it isn't me."
   "You are a rascal who thinks he knows everything."
   "Again, I'm not the one espousing knowledge about the unknowable."
   "You are a rascal who thinks he knows everything.  Fool.  Just listen to me."
   "Again, I'm not the one espousing knowledge about the unknowable."
   "What makes you think you're qualified to see the forest moon of Endor?"
   "Did I say anything about being qualified to see it?  You're the one telling me that there is a forest moon of Endor!  You!  You're the one making this claim, not me!  You!"
   "You are a rascal who thinks he knows everything.  What are your qualifications for seeing the forest moon of Endor?"

And with that, Doctor Frog's brain shutdown in hopes of protecting itself from the barrages of unclever insults and broken, twisted logic.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: jaimehlers on January 29, 2014, 11:43:03 AM
But what was the possibility of his ever understanding the depths and far reaches of the great ocean? Our faculties, experience, and powers of speculation are always limited. The frog was always thinking in terms relative to his well. He had no power to think otherwise. Similarly, the scientists are estimating the Absolute Truth, the cause of all causes, with their imperfect senses and minds, and thus they are bound to be bewildered. The essential fault of the so-called scientists is that they have adopted the inductive process to arrive at their conclusions. For example, if a scientist wants to determine whether or not man is mortal by the inductive process, he must study every man to try to discover if some or one of them may be immortal. The scientist says, "I cannot accept the proposition that all men are mortal. There may be some men who are immortal. I have not yet seen every man. Therefore how can I accept that man is mortal?" This is called the inductive process. And the deductive process means that your father, your teacher, or your guru says that man is mortal, and you accept it.
You know what the easiest solution to this dilemma is?  Take the frog to the Atlantic Ocean so they can get first-hand experience of how big it is.

Your 'solution' is "follow these rules and chant a prayer daily, and you'll realize it on your own eventually".

That doesn't even touch on your misapprehension of how the inductive and deductive processes work.  You see, while a scientist may never be totally certain that there isn't an immortal human somewhere on Earth, that doesn't mean they have to assume that one might be out there, especially if all the available evidence shows otherwise.  It's up to someone to provide evidence of an immortal human in order to show that the proposition "all human beings are mortal" is false, instead of scientists having to examine every human being in order to show that the proposition is true.  It is much easier to find evidence showing something false than to examine all the evidence in the universe in order to declare something true.

In short, there's nothing wrong with the inductive process, so long as you don't assume that it guarantees a universal truth.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Mrjason on January 29, 2014, 12:03:11 PM
Hey it's frog story time :) I've got one too.

There was once a frog who had lived all his life in a laboratory. One day a scientist chose him to be part of an experiment and lowered his body temperature to -50C[1].
Over the next day or so the scientist slowly raised the frogs body temperature.
Unfortunately the frog was part of the control group and died.

However his death wasn't in vain as the frogs that weren't in the control group did survive and the experiment yielded important data on tissue preservation which could be used to preserve human organs for longer periods and therefore be useful in transporting organs for transplant, thus saving human lives.

The End
 1. http://jeb.biologists.org/content/181/1/245.full.pdf (http://jeb.biologists.org/content/181/1/245.full.pdf)
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: One Above All on January 29, 2014, 12:09:31 PM
Can I try?

Once upon a time there was a frog. Then some French people came along.[1] The end.
 1. Just so we're clear, I mean no offense to French people. If you're still offended, ask for this post to be removed, and it will be done.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Nam on January 29, 2014, 12:17:41 PM
Can I try?

Once upon a time there was a frog. Then some French people came along.[1] The end.
 1. Just so we're clear, I mean no offense to French people. If you're still offended, ask for this post to be removed, and it will be done.

Really? (your note) Dude, don't be weak. If they don't get the humor they're the morons not you, plus, you come off weak. Never do thst.

People like me will eat you alive (excluding me, just people *like* me).

-Nam
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: One Above All on January 29, 2014, 12:26:14 PM
Really? (your note) Dude, don't be weak. If they don't get the humor they're the morons not you, plus, you come off weak.

Some people are rightfully pissed because of some jokes. Their reasons are not mine to question in some situations.
EDIT: I recall I made a comparison (of sorts) between rape and tearing someone's arguments to pieces. Quesi, I believe, asked me to change it. I did it and admitted I was wrong to have made said comparison in the first place. Admitting when you're wrong is a strength - not a weakness - in my opinion.

Never do thst.


People like me will eat you alive (excluding me, just people *like* me).

The One Above All cannot be consumed. Who do you think I am? Galactus?
Seriously though, to be insensitive in this situation would make me a dick, which I am not, nor do I want to be.

-Nam

-One
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Quesi on January 29, 2014, 12:35:02 PM
Folks, all of this reckless banter about frogs is getting out of hand.

I think we need to acknowledge the fact that amphibians are on the decline wordwide.  Loss of natural habitat, pollution, climate change, and disease are causing a shockingly rapid decrease in the world's frog populations. 

These little critters eat bugs.  I like species who eat bugs.  If we lose too many frogs, we will have way too many bugs.

So let's show a little respect here.  For the frogs. 
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: wheels5894 on January 29, 2014, 12:37:13 PM
Good point, Quesi, though I don't think a few jokes are going to reduce the population of frogs that much.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Nam on January 29, 2014, 12:44:06 PM
OAA,

Please, you're showing you're sensitive by saying you'll retract it. They show they're sensitive by asking for you to retract it and, initially you are insensitive for stating it especially if you feel while making the comment (and stating so) that if anyone is offended you'll retract.

If you feel that imbalance beforehand: don't post it. There's always someone who will be offended by something. This website offends people. If "we" went by your position, saying it is okay but if anyone is offended the website will be taken down. You see the weakness of that?

People will be offended. If you don't want to offend anyone: don't say anything that is offensive. The problem with that is: almost anything can be offensive to someone.

So far, with you, you have the balls to say it, you just don't have the balls to stand by it. And for people like me: we take advantage of people like that.

-Nam
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Boots on January 29, 2014, 12:49:24 PM
And for people like me: we take advantage of people like that.

-Nam

Ohh!!  Ohhh!!!  I wanna be weak so Nam will "take advantage" of me!!  hee hee hee
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Nam on January 29, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
And for people like me: we take advantage of people like that.

-Nam

Ohh!!  Ohhh!!!  I wanna be weak so Nam will "take advantage" of me!!  hee hee hee

You're not my type.

;)

-Nam
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: One Above All on January 29, 2014, 12:52:33 PM
<snip>

I never said all requests something be removed are valid. It depends on who's asking it and for what reason, for starters.

So far, with you, you have the balls to say it, you just don't have the balls to stand by it.

Don't judge my balls. I have the balls to admit I was wrong about something, as well as the balls to stand by something I say, assuming I disagree with the people who disagree with my statement.

And for people like me: we take advantage of people like that.

And you think I care that you try?
See? I can be insensitive too, when it matters. It's called "self-control".

-Nam

-One
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Quesi on January 29, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Good point, Quesi, though I don't think a few jokes are going to reduce the population of frogs that much.

I would also just like to point out that if any of this reincarnation stuff is true, making disrespectful jokes about frogs may result in being born as a frog in a future life.  And I really worry about some of the members here. 

OAA might come back as an amphibian destined to die young and be smothered in garlic sauce.  MrJason is going to be reborn in a lab and subjected to terrible torture.  jdawg70 will be an amphibian subject to the pains inflicted on those who suffer the dark side of the force.  And I'm pretty sure that poor lop0 is going to come back as a frog who, for whatever reason, is not able to croak or sing or make any noises that are comprehensible to the other frogs.

None of this would be good.

We can be better than this.  Let's save the frogs.  For the God of Abraham.  For our own future incarnations.  And if, by chance, all of the supernatural stuff ends up to be bullshit, lets save the frogs for future generations.   And the bees too.

Yeah.  I'm being half silly, and half serious. 

And this song seems just really appropriate right now.


http://youtu.be/0ZesRAo5PBg



Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Nam on January 29, 2014, 01:03:11 PM
OAA,

Retracting a statement where you're found to be incorrect is not the same as retracting a statement where you find you may be wrong (or are wrong) because it will offend someone of/not of a specific group/people.

You notice I don't do that. I know going in I may or am going to offend someone, and I say it, and I don't regret it, I stand by what I say. I may be seen as an offensive person, or an asshole, or whatever but at least people know that I stand by what I say. From your comment, who knows? And that's where "advantage" can be taken. Whoever was offended that you retracted before (that you mentioned) took advantage of you based on their sensitivity. If "we" retract what offends people based on their sensitivity this website wouldn't exist.

If you don't mean what you say, facetious or not, then don't say it. Or you're just a person to be taken advantage of, especially by people like me.

I'm trying to help you here.

-Nam
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Hatter23 on January 29, 2014, 01:04:43 PM
And for people like me: we take advantage of people like that.

-Nam

Ohh!!  Ohhh!!!  I wanna be weak so Nam will "take advantage" of me!!  hee hee hee

You're not my type.

;)

-Nam

Yea, Boots is breathing. ;)
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Nam on January 29, 2014, 01:06:54 PM
And for people like me: we take advantage of people like that.

-Nam

Ohh!!  Ohhh!!!  I wanna be weak so Nam will "take advantage" of me!!  hee hee hee

You're not my type.

;)

-Nam

Yea, Boots is breathing. ;)

Your point?

;)

-Nam
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: One Above All on January 29, 2014, 01:13:24 PM
Nam, I guess you're just gonna have to trust me when I say you don't understand how I think or why I do things, and that you shouldn't worry.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Hatter23 on January 29, 2014, 01:15:57 PM
And for people like me: we take advantage of people like that.

-Nam

Ohh!!  Ohhh!!!  I wanna be weak so Nam will "take advantage" of me!!  hee hee hee

You're not my type.

;)

-Nam

Yea, Boots is breathing. ;)

Your point?

;)

-Nam

just that everyone's your type....eventually.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on January 29, 2014, 10:56:13 PM
Here is another frog story.

 There was once a frog who had lived all his life in a well. One day a friend visited him and informed him of the existence of the Atlantic Ocean.
 "Oh, what is this Atlantic Ocean?" asked the frog in the well.
 "It is a vast body of water," his friend replied.
 "How vast? ls it double the size of this well?"
 "Well lets see, umm...carry the six...cube that...323,600,000 cubic kilometres give or take" He answered
 "Thanks, I hate friends who cant search the internet" said the frog.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: magicmiles on January 29, 2014, 11:18:28 PM
^^ Appeal to information superhighway fallacy
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Anfauglir on January 30, 2014, 04:13:17 AM
So far you have made some claims, but you have not given any reason for anyone to accept those claims as true.  [/color]

you are suffering from what we call "Doctor Frog's philosophy." There was once a frog who had lived all his life in a well. One day a friend visited him and informed him of the existence of the Atlantic Ocean.
   "Oh, what is this Atlantic Ocean?" asked the frog in the well.
   "It is a vast body of water," his friend replied.
   "How vast? ls it double the size of this well?"
   "Oh, no, much larger," his friend replied.
   

...and then the Ocean Frog, who sincerely wanted to help the Well Frog (rather than just insult him and taunt him) told him, clearly and precisely, exactly how big the Ocean was (using terms the Well Frog could understand), AND laid out - again, clearly and precisely - exactly how the Well Frog could find out for himself.  Step by step, and with the guarantee that if the instructions were followed, the Well Frog would see the Ocean.

If the Ocean Frog did NOT do that, then (no matter how True the Ocean may be), he would simply be being a smug dick about it.  And Well Frogs, no matter how much they may want to see the Ocean, are put right off by smug dicks who make unsubstantiated claims and then hurl insults because the Well Frogs don't instantly hail them as the Truth and throw praise at the smug dicks for enlightening them.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Mrjason on January 30, 2014, 05:22:05 AM
<snip>
MrJason is going to be reborn in a lab and subjected to terrible torture. 

We can be better than this.  Let's save the frogs.  For the God of Abraham.  For our own future incarnations.  And if, by chance, all of the supernatural stuff ends up to be bullshit, lets save the frogs for future generations.   And the bees too.

I think that you misunderstood the intention of my post. It wasn't a parody or piss take.
I was supporting the OP by signposting you to the PhD research that got Dr Frog his degree. You didn't think he became a Dr by sitting in the well did you?

No, I think it is far more likely that Dr Frog was one of the surviving frogs who took part in the research. As he was the first amphibian in history to graduate with a PhD he became a minor celebrity in his pond, however his guilt over the deaths of his country-frogs during the research lead him to alcohol dependency and woman-froganising. His wife-frog could only endure this for so long and eventually moved to another lily pad, taking the tadpoles with her.
This is when Dr Frog became a recluse moving to a well to avoid the social-frog stigma from the breakdown of his marriage. Still an alcoholic, whenever anyone asked him about the outside world he would deny its existence refusing to accept the guilt and shame that the outside-well world had brought to this once rising star.

So no, my post wasn't a joke at Dr frogs expense, it was a cautionary tale of the excesses of fame and possibly medical ethics too.

If I am reincarnated as a lab-frog I will take the lessons learned from the first Dr Frog and be more careful when experimenting on my colleagues.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: lop0 on April 03, 2014, 06:14:16 AM
^^ Appeal to information superhighway fallacy

no wonder because it is nothing more then fools paradise.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Boots on April 03, 2014, 08:55:21 AM
and I STILL don't know what the eff you're trying to say   :o
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Astreja on April 03, 2014, 12:29:01 PM
Ironic, lop0, that you would use a "fool's paradise" to promote the worship of your boy-toy Krishna.

(FWIW, Lakshmi is not impressed with your attitude and how you're rudely misrepresenting Her beloved Blue Man on the WWW.)
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Nam on April 03, 2014, 12:41:00 PM
^^ Appeal to information superhighway fallacy

no wonder because it is nothing more then fools paradise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgYrtWroT7M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgYrtWroT7M)

-Nam
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: wheels5894 on April 03, 2014, 12:55:44 PM
Well, this is now 5 pages into this discussion and I have yet to see any real information about the next life promised in the title. There's been nothing practical and no explanation and, above all, no evidence either,

OP, let's have facts and evidence if this thread is to go anywhere.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Nam on April 03, 2014, 12:59:48 PM
Well, this is now 5 pages into this discussion and I have yet to see any real information about the next life promised in the title. There's been nothing practical and no explanation and, above all, no evidence either,

OP, let's have facts and evidence if this thread is to go anywhere.

Listen to the video above; it'll relax you.

-Nam
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: jaimehlers on April 03, 2014, 06:14:13 PM
I forgot about this thread.  Considering that lop0 only came back to make another unsupported declaration about a "fool's paradise", it's not surprising.

Basically, this whole thread has been lop0 trying to convince us that if we just follow the rules of his religion, we'll eventually believe that what he says is true.  I forget exactly what this is called, but it's a well-known principle; a person who consistently acts in a certain way will eventually internalize/rationalize it so it is no longer an act.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Hatter23 on April 03, 2014, 06:15:44 PM
^^ Appeal to information superhighway fallacy

no wonder because it is nothing more then fools paradise.

you bolded a very vague term. Why?
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Nam on April 04, 2014, 02:02:29 AM
I forgot about this thread.  Considering that lop0 only came back to make another unsupported declaration about a "fool's paradise", it's not surprising.

Basically, this whole thread has been lop0 trying to convince us that if we just follow the rules of his religion, we'll eventually believe that what he says is true.  I forget exactly what this is called, but it's a well-known principle; a person who consistently acts in a certain way will eventually internalize/rationalize it so it is no longer an act.

[Wiki]Bad_faith_(existentialism)[/wiki]?

-Nam
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Jag on April 04, 2014, 08:48:49 AM
<snip>

 I forget exactly what this is called, but it's a well-known principle; a person who consistently acts in a certain way will eventually internalize/rationalize it so it is no longer an act.

Stockholm Syndrome?  ;)
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life -
Post by: Nam on April 04, 2014, 04:40:48 PM
^people have that with me.

;)

-Nam