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Title: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Kimberly on June 14, 2012, 05:14:18 PM
This poll is inregards to this thread: If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever? (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,22925.290.html)

A Hypothetical

Humanity, including you, accepts that Biblegod has been proven to exist. Suddenly find yourself in a room with two buttons. The sign says -

"Press the red button to worship god. Press the blue button to accept eternal torture.

You have 5 minutes to press a button - after 5 minutes and not having pressed a button, the system defaults to a press of the blue button.

Your choice is irrevocable.

You now have 5 minutes left"

That's all you get. That's all the information you have in the hypothetical. Complaining like you all are doing, sidestepping, wriggling, asking to have information that isn't coming, proclaiming how many cigars you have burned into your skin, making brazen statements about some impossible grandstanding is not going to get you anywhere. There you sit and there you are faced with the buttons and no more information. There is nobody to ask a question of. This is the hypothetical in it's entirety.

Press your button.

This thread is not to debate the hypothetical, just submit your vote and discuss it HERE (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,22925.290.html) if you wish to debate the hypothetical.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 14, 2012, 05:15:26 PM
 I pressed the red button. Fuck yea.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: jetson on June 14, 2012, 05:36:48 PM
Blue. 
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: The Wannabe on June 14, 2012, 05:49:58 PM
red all the way, baby.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 14, 2012, 05:51:44 PM
Go red go!
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: jetson on June 14, 2012, 05:56:16 PM
I'm assuming that this God is the same one front the OT.  Cmon blue!
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 14, 2012, 05:58:46 PM
I'm assuming that this God is the same one front the OT.  Cmon blue!

Jetson - I'd like to go into depth on your "go blue" but I can't do it here. Please go to my thread about it so I can ask you some questions. I'll try to be gentle.  :)
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: The Wannabe on June 14, 2012, 06:03:31 PM
I'm assuming that this God is the same one front the OT.  Cmon blue!

Because squirming in agony for all eternity is really sticking it to the man![1]
 1. or in this case, the god
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Kimberly on June 14, 2012, 06:06:12 PM
Go team blue!! Push it, you know you want to!

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfMyeUm5ea5SEI5KF5K2cwAE9tHErd1sQabtQObwQCFxPNe3tdjGeYMFfSnA)
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: jetson on June 14, 2012, 06:07:02 PM
I'm assuming that this God is the same one front the OT.  Cmon blue!

Because squirming agony for all eternity is really sticking it to the man![1]
 1. or in this case, the god

Excellent point.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 14, 2012, 06:21:49 PM
(http://blog.taleist.com/files/2011/06/big-red-button-300x300.jpg)
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: OnlyClarity on June 14, 2012, 06:35:27 PM
^ HUGE LOL at that HAL, thank you for making my day.  I'm still going to go Blue.

And to The Wannabe,
I'm assuming that this God is the same one front the OT.  Cmon blue!

Because squirming in agony for all eternity is really sticking it to the man![1]
 1. or in this case, the god

My impression is that you feel it is pointless to push Blue because you can't stick it to the man.  That's fine to think.  It's not why I'd push Blue though.  Not trying to start a big discussion by any means, just wanted to double-check your goal with that statement Wannabe. =) C'mon Blue!

Oh, I made this quick too.  Maybe a LOL back HAL?
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/597/staples.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/staples.png/)
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 14, 2012, 06:38:03 PM
I know how to get all these rebels like Nam to press the right button. I know the type. It's very easy -

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100813033137/nerf/images/c/c5/Red_button.jpg)
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: 12 Monkeys on June 14, 2012, 07:20:55 PM
Hal God,set out in the OT and NT is a fuck-up at best and a narcissistic little bitch with power at worst......but he is far from undeafeatable,has a weakness for Iron chariots,so cars and tanks must scare (pardon the pun)the hell out of him. Has a soft spot for his former right hand man(Satan) and this burning in hell thing.......

ITS a FUCKING JOKE,mainly because its a man made invention.....any reference to hell is made up by people who never even MET Jesus OR God........any threats attributted to God or Jesus were written by people,again long after Jesus was supposedly alive (not eyewitness) there is no mention of hell in the OT is there?

 A break-away group of Jews invented Hell to try to scare their former brothers and sisters into the new religion.  They told them about this new place,hell,where they would go if they failed to accept this new "king" as their lord

 How and why do you think you speak for God,Hal? How do you know God has an interest in putting people there? Your information on hell is third party heresay at best at worst it is pure fiction.  If God were proven,how can YOU say for certain he would CARE? ...and oh-ya blue cuz God could car less or I will steal a fucking TANK(iron chariot) and take my fellow brothers and sisters to defeat God!!!!
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Nam on June 15, 2012, 08:26:01 AM
Seems Hal is losing. 8 for blue, and 3 for red.

Hal thinks he knows what could change my mind and get me to push the red button but I don't do anything I don't want to; and it's been that way almost my entire life.

I don't welcome eternal torture, and it's not about regretting the decision like flapdoodle (sp?) states, 'cause in making the decision I would be of sound mind, as I am right now.

If Biblegod was shown to exist, and it is the Biblegod of the whole Bible: Heaven would bew more Hell to me than Hell would. It's like taking the rest of one's pride and dignity; after that: what matters? At least in Hell you'd still have those things, even if slightly diminished.

But, I would never regret the decision; and y'all can keep on stating, as a fact, I and everyone else would, but you don't know us, or anyone based on your own perception of society, and yourselves.

That's where you lose the argument, and it seems based on Hal's topic: the battle, as well, a long time ago.

-Nam
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 15, 2012, 08:32:59 AM
Hey Nam, Have a Cigar

Come in here, dear Nam, have a cigar.
You're not gonna go far, you're gonna crash and burn,
You're never gonna die, you're gonna be tortured cause you lied; they're gonna burn you.
Well I've always had the least respect, and I mean that most sincerely.
The feast is just fantastic, that is really what I think.
Oh by the way, which lung did they roast?

And did we tell you the name of the game, boy
We call it avoiding stupid decisions.

We're just knocked out.
We just got the altar built out.
You gotta get a staple out,
You owe it to the people. We're so happy we can hardly eat our lambchops.
Everybody else is just fine, have you seen the altar?
It's a helluva start, it could be made into a monster
if we all pull together as a team.

And did we tell you the name of the game, boy
We call it avoiding stupid decisions.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: jaimehlers on June 15, 2012, 08:53:22 AM
Lots of brave people on the forum, it seems.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: 12 Monkeys on June 15, 2012, 09:26:37 AM
Again Hal I ask how do you know what his final judgement will be?
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Kimberly on June 15, 2012, 10:45:15 AM
Please remember:
This thread is not to debate the hypothetical, just submit your vote and discuss it HERE (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,22925.290.html) if you wish to debate the hypothetical.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Aceluffy on June 15, 2012, 11:44:10 AM
Red button !! I can pretend to worship, right ? Ain't nobody gonna know

Once I'm there, I'll stage a very elaborate rebellion to take over, mwwahahahaha !!
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: created atheist on June 15, 2012, 11:50:24 AM
No eternal pain, no way.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: sun_king on June 15, 2012, 11:59:30 AM
Blue is back in the lead, thanks to me!
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: JeffPT on June 15, 2012, 12:21:11 PM
Red. 

Funny thing is, I would say blue if you asked me right now.  But I would change to red within a minute of starting the burning.  I know I would.  I've seen the effects of torture.  Hell, I'd push whatever button you wanted after the burning started.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: created atheist on June 15, 2012, 12:50:02 PM
Hi ambassador pony

This is John 3 16.

I really wanted to find out where you stand about this topic.

This is an extremely important matter of something that I can not disclose right at this moment.

Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: created atheist on June 15, 2012, 01:10:31 PM
Red. 

Funny thing is, I would say blue if you asked me right now.  But I would change to red within a minute of starting the burning.  I know I would.  I've seen the effects of torture.  Hell, I'd push whatever button you wanted after the burning started.
Then  it's a heck alot of risk (being an athiest) you are taking, unless you are 100% sure there are no gods.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Tinyal on June 15, 2012, 01:22:21 PM
Red here - although I now live with quite a bit of pain (most caused by a near-fatal car wreck 4 years ago), and this 'discomfort' is likely to continue for the rest of my life, in terms of eternal agony - I'm allergic to that :)
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Benny on June 15, 2012, 01:40:49 PM
This is one heck of a ridiculous question.  I'd worship.  I don't like heat.

Sidebar: I don't like the subject of fear.  If someone asks me my deepest fears, I usually tell them, "temperature, altitude, and duration."  That confuses them long enough for me to make a getaway.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 15, 2012, 01:57:08 PM
Well it looks like the sensible people are pulling ahead. I was beginning to wonder about this place.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Kimberly on June 15, 2012, 02:39:47 PM
I don't think this poll proves much of anything about the members here. I was mostly just curious as to how people would answer when given the option of anonymity. It is interesting to see how close the raise is though, perhaps we are not as easy to predict HAL?[1]
 1. This is rhetorical I already know your answer.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Death over Life on June 15, 2012, 08:27:55 PM
I hadn't the time to mention, but I'm blue all the way!  8)

I'd rather die and burn as myself than bow down to the creation of such bull.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Zankuu on June 15, 2012, 08:48:53 PM
This is the image that flashes in my mind every time I think of you blue button pushers.  ;)

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/508/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png)
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: JeffPT on June 15, 2012, 09:01:13 PM
Red. 

Funny thing is, I would say blue if you asked me right now.  But I would change to red within a minute of starting the burning.  I know I would.  I've seen the effects of torture.  Hell, I'd push whatever button you wanted after the burning started.
Then  it's a heck alot of risk (being an athiest) you are taking, unless you are 100% sure there are no gods.

I am just as certain that there is no Tooth Fairy as I am that there is no Christian God.  Absolutely convinced beyond any reasonable doubt. It's fiction.

I'm only relatively certain that there are no gods at all. 


Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: jetson on June 15, 2012, 09:42:47 PM
This is the image that flashes in my mind every time I think of you blue button pushers.  ;)


I could be a real bad ass if my wife would let me ride a motorcycle.  Damnit.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Zankuu on June 15, 2012, 09:46:02 PM
I could be a real bad ass if my wife would let me ride a motorcycle.  Damnit.

I'm taking mine to the next Freethought Convention in Texas this year. If I see you there I'll toss you my key so you can joy-ride. Your wife would be non the wiser.  ;)
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: jetson on June 15, 2012, 09:47:13 PM
Austin, right?
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Astreja on June 16, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
Blue, largely because I've already taken a vow to do exactly that thing.  I'd prefer to "worship" the beings already burning than the one who put them there.  I might very well regret it from a pain point of view, but not from a doing-the-honourable-thing point of view.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Death over Life on June 16, 2012, 12:20:10 AM
Something that I just thought of however with all the buzz going on about the hypothetical of God proven to be real, I think this is the topic that has in a sense polarized an otherwise uniformed great set of minds where we are now at each other's throats a little bit.

Just check out some of HAL's posts in the other thread as examples.

Agreeing with Astreja, my curious thought to the Red Buttons, I wonder what you would have done if you lived in Europe during the 1930's-1940's, especially since, despite being a hypothetical, has actually happened in real life, which is why I personally can't understand HAL's stubbornness in the other thread. Then again though, you did kind of have to be insane to oppose the Nazi Regime at that period of time as well I would assume.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Astreja on June 16, 2012, 12:34:12 AM
Then again though, you did kind of have to be insane to oppose the Nazi Regime at that period of time as well I would assume.

I think insanity is clearly within the differential diagnosis regarding the pushing of both the red and the blue buttons.

Think about it:  You're confronted by an insanely powerful being who offers only 2 choices.  One choice is clearly horrific; the other could range from perfectly acceptable to disgusting, depending on one's perspective.  How could anyone retain their sanity in the face of such a dilemma, regardless of which button they choose?  It could well be that the mere presence of the damning blue button could engender conflicted emotions and perhaps even fear in the people who actually wanted to choose red.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Zankuu on June 16, 2012, 01:25:10 AM
Austin, right?

Yup! They still haven't made any announcements other than the location.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Bereft_of_Faith on June 16, 2012, 02:18:02 AM
Red (as the question is posed: Biblegod is real, rejecting him means eternal torment).  Now I doubt that Biblegod, if real, has actually presented that ultimatum.  That 'either/or' seems to be largely the construction of a church intent on scaring the crap out of apostates.   But given the question: Red

@Death over Life:  I think there's a difference between collaborating with the Nazis and worshiping a god proven to be real.  The difference lies in the choice between death/collaboration vs eternal inescapable torment/worship.  I would push red on this issue only because it is implied that the all-powerful all-knowing god has passed sentence and one SHALL burn forever and ever. 

One does not need to bow to tyrants, since flight or even death is an alternative.  I would not have ever collaborated with the Nazis, that is, done their bidding and caused others to suffer, BECAUSE I would always have the option of suicide to avoid doing so.  I'd rather take my life than be responsible for sending innocent people to the death camps.  However, biblegod and eternal punishment offers NO alternative.  If you tried to run you could never get away.  You can't hide, and most of all, death is no escape.

It is the everlasting torture aspect of this question that would have me pressing the red button.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 16, 2012, 06:58:10 AM
I'm debating this here because the others are even though it was said not to ...

Agreeing with Astreja, my curious thought to the Red Buttons, I wonder what you would have done if you lived in Europe during the 1930's-1940's, especially since, despite being a hypothetical, has actually happened in real life, which is why I personally can't understand HAL's stubbornness in the other thread. Then again though, you did kind of have to be insane to oppose the Nazi Regime at that period of time as well I would assume.

My stubbornness comes from my belief that people playing tough saying they would press a button that would result in eternal torture with NO POSSIBLE way to stop it is not honest of them. It's just ridiculous and not in any way indicative of human nature and self-preservation and really just completely stupid.

Tell me oh wise one - what's the difference between trying to oppose the Nazis and trying to oppose a god? Take your time.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: joebbowers on June 16, 2012, 07:34:09 AM
Am I the only one who notices the buttons are the same color?
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 16, 2012, 07:44:12 AM
Am I the only one who notices the buttons are the same color?

Well press one or the other. You have a 50% chance of avoiding eternal torture.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: lotanddaughters on June 16, 2012, 07:47:16 AM
Red, and I cannot believe the score is this close because in reality, it isn't.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Kimberly on June 16, 2012, 09:05:58 AM
Please remember:
This thread is not to debate the hypothetical, just submit your vote and discuss it HERE (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,22925.290.html) if you wish to debate the hypothetical.
:police:
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: pamindfw on June 16, 2012, 10:00:18 AM
I picked blue. same outcome as far as i'm concerned.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Yami Prem on June 16, 2012, 10:27:51 AM
Picked Red, but the evidence has to be extraordinary...  :)
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Nam on June 17, 2012, 06:01:34 PM
I wqonder how many religious people have voted. And, I love that this topic (and not the other one) seems to have gotten "new" people to join just so they can vote.

I think it would've been more concise if limited to atheists only, and non-new members. If they are even new to begin with.

-Nam
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: lomolo on June 17, 2012, 09:12:19 PM
I think it would've been more concise if limited to atheists only, and non-new members. If they are even new to begin with.
Theists I can understand. Well, sort of - the question doesn't really make any sense when posed to someone already believing in Biblegod, but I imagine they would press red anyway.

But why not new members? Or are you saying that someone's skewing the vote by signing up new accounts?
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Mr. Blackwell on June 17, 2012, 09:26:29 PM
Am I the only one who notices the buttons are the same color?

Nope, that's been my argument on the other two threads.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: bertatberts on June 18, 2012, 01:38:00 AM
Honest sincere answer is blue, it has nothing to do with being a bad arse.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: meo on June 18, 2012, 11:53:06 AM
Red.
Knowing that I would regret it if I pick blue, and knowing there's no way for me to get out, also knowing that I won't benefit anyone in any shape of form including myself to choose blue, and based on Hal's question (if anyone is actually reading his posts) there's actually a choice cause you don't have to be sincere, I would be incredibly stupid to choose blue.

From:Lurking atheist.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 18, 2012, 11:56:47 AM
Red.
Knowing that I would regret it if I pick blue, and knowing there's no way for me to get out, also knowing that I won't benefit anyone in any shape of form including myself to choose blue, and based on Hal's question (if anyone is actually reading his posts) there's actually a choice cause you don't have to be sincere, I would be incredibly stupid to choose blue.

I applaud your reasoning. Quite sound and rational.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Nam on June 18, 2012, 05:39:47 PM
I think it would've been more concise if limited to atheists only, and non-new members. If they are even new to begin with.
Theists I can understand. Well, sort of - the question doesn't really make any sense when posed to someone already believing in Biblegod, but I imagine they would press red anyway.

But why not new members? Or are you saying that someone's skewing the vote by signing up new accounts?

I'm implying it, not out-right saying it. I'm not Hal, I don't think I know everything, nor can I read other peoples minds. Only Hal seems to be able to do those things, apparently.

-Nam
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 18, 2012, 05:53:45 PM
I'm implying it, not out-right saying it. I'm not Hal, I don't think I know everything, nor can I read other peoples minds. Only Hal seems to be able to do those things, apparently.

I can't read minds, yet I know you won't pick eternal torture, just like I know you won't allow a dentist to drill into a tooth with an active nerve. It's called predictable human nature. You can extrapolate what's in store and since you are not insane (no, your just a brave keyboard artist) you won't do either one of those things. You are one of the most predictable people on the forum, not the least predictable.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Death over Life on June 18, 2012, 11:30:24 PM
I'm implying it, not out-right saying it. I'm not Hal, I don't think I know everything, nor can I read other peoples minds. Only Hal seems to be able to do those things, apparently.

I can't read minds, yet I know you won't pick eternal torture, just like I know you won't allow a dentist to drill into a tooth with an active nerve. It's called predictable human nature. You can extrapolate what's in store and since you are not insane (no, your just a brave keyboard artist) you won't do either one of those things. You are one of the most predictable people on the forum, not the least predictable.

Have you heard of sadomasochism? How about meditation? This whole hypothetical is clearly mental. Not every human being fits your view of peace, love, and crabs humans.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: bertatberts on June 19, 2012, 04:18:07 AM
By positing that the biblegod is known by all to exist in the hypothetical you have changed the scenario from one of whether a god exists to whether a god is worthy, would you wish to spend eternity worshiping something you find repugnant.

By specifying the biblegod in this scenario, it must come with all it's baggage.
So the choices become give up my free will and becoming an automaton to a creature I loath, (according to Christians you only feel joy and love in heaven) no longer being me anymore.
Or keep your mind and dignity and go to hell, and eternal damnation. With all the pain it may entail, thus giving biblegod the finger, for eternity. I'd go with the latter.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 19, 2012, 07:10:29 AM
By positing that the biblegod is known by all to exist in the hypothetical you have changed the scenario from one of whether a god exists to whether a god is worthy, would you wish to spend eternity worshiping something you find repugnant.

No it's not that simple and you damn well know it.

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By specifying the biblegod in this scenario, it must come with all it's baggage.

Here we go again. Time and time again you people change the hypothetical to suit the answer you want to give. What baggage did I say it had in the hypothetical? How do you know it has all the "baggage" that's in the Bible? The book may well be wrong in many areas because the men who wrote it may be mistaken. I did not state the Bible was true or false in the hypothetical. All, and I do mean all, you have to go on is what i said in the hypothetical. Please go make up your own if you wish to do so, meanwhile stop fucking around with mine.

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So the choices become give up my free will and becoming an automaton to a creature I loath, (according to Christians you only feel joy and love in heaven) no longer being me anymore.

That's not what the hypothetical says. You just made up a bunch 'o shit.

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Or keep your mind and dignity and go to hell, and eternal damnation. With all the pain it may entail, thus giving biblegod the finger, for eternity. I'd go with the latter.

You just answered based on a bunch of shit you made up, so your answer is worthless.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: EV on June 19, 2012, 05:49:22 PM
Biblegod, although depicted as a dick, is after all a perfect being. Which means that by definition he is worthy of worship. Now those who know me will know that I am a great lover of philosophy, and the theory of knowledge. If I can know without a shadow of a doubt that God exists, I will worship Him. However, seeing as that is impossible in this life and reality, then I will not as he has not shown himself to exist.

I push the Red button, because the condition involved knowing for certain that God exists. If he exists, as in this hypothetical situation, he must be worthy of worship due to his perfection, and there must be a reason the world is how it is (i.e. a solution to the problem of Evil)

It is just so unlikely that he does exist, that there is no way that he does. But if it was proved he existed, I'd trust Him to do the right thing for me, and push Red.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Kimberly on June 19, 2012, 06:14:25 PM
You guys are so awful! You got my thread moved to the bottomless pit! How hard is it to not debate each other in one[1] thread??? This will ruin my forum reputation forever[2]!

 :'(

I swear asking adults to follow directions is worse than raising two young children! Any ways, yall are free to debate now. Just thought I should make it official and let yall know how thoroughly disappointed I was in your inability to not argue for one thread!

/Sarcasm
<3
 1. There's only like 5 others on this topic that you all were free to debate in!
 2. Being the creator of a bottomless pit thread!
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: HAL on June 19, 2012, 06:19:52 PM
You got my thread moved to the bottomless pit!

Welcome to my world.

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I swear asking adults to follow directions is worse than raising two young children!

^^^ See above.
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Kimberly on June 19, 2012, 06:22:21 PM
Welcome to my world.

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I swear asking adults to follow directions is worse than raising two young children!

^^^ See above.

It's not your world any more, you retired!  ;)
Title: Re: Poll - If Biblegod was shown to exist, Would you worship or Burn Forever?
Post by: Samothec on June 19, 2012, 07:08:36 PM
<whining snipped> What baggage did I say it had in the hypothetical? <more whining snipped>
That's not what the hypothetical says. ...

This is the stupidest post you have ever written.

You adamantly refused to detail anything other than "biblegod" was proven to exist. Biblegod has baggage, period, fact. The fact that you refused to present anything other than the massively baggage laden biblegod means you have to accept people's response to that baggage whether you wanted that or not.

I think we are now at the heart of why you can't understand why people who in real life have chosen the blue button continue to choose it in your hypothetical: you don't actually realize what you really presented in your own hypothetical. You think it says one thing when almost everyone else reads it another way. And in spite of several requests for you to clarify that original proposal, you refused. So you have no valid grounds to complain if we read it in a way you don't like and consider the existing baggage. Thus the editorial comments above about whining and stupidity.

Please, get a clue.