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Title: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 20, 2011, 04:28:36 PM
After discussion with forum staff we have enabled karma, but in this case the reason we enabled it is because a Mod Package for the SMF forum was now available to change the way Karma works. You must now give a specific reason for your points given - either plus or minus. The description doesn't have to be complicated but you MUST give a reason, and the reason can't simply be an


LOL -1
got ya back
here's a minus because you gave me a minus
Dumbass

or other such trivial reason. Any points given to a member with such trivial reasons are subject to removal without notice, and the members points restored to their previous value.

Proper reasons could be:

Nice post
You made me laugh!
I didn't know that
That's an idiotic rant
Thank you for the information
You have no idea what evolution is


and so on. The main point is to give the reason you gave the +/- Darwin point.

After some suggestions we decided to call the Karma points "Darwins".

The Karma Description Log can be accessed by everyone near the bottom of the main forum page, with links to the respective post where the Darwin point was given. You can also see the last 6 Darwin points given. We may possibly use the log to make awards based on Darwin points in the future or some other project.

Have fun.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 20, 2011, 04:57:13 PM
Couple of other notes -

The wait time is 1 hour before you can give the same person another Darwin point.

Any point you give will result in a PM to the person receiving the point from the system as a notice.

Any points you had from the previous time we had Karma enabled are still associated with your account but there are no log entries for them.

Use the log as a tool. If you see you are getting a lot of negative Darwins, consider the reasons given. This is the advantage of this system.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: EV on July 20, 2011, 05:13:20 PM
Hooray! It's almost like the previous +1 system, but with a much better way of working! :D

Thanks for your very concise announcement oh great HAL, we worship your sentient awesomeness <3
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Azdgari on July 20, 2011, 10:33:28 PM
Thanks, HAL - but I can't see the Descriptions Log link anywhere on the main page.  Could you describe where it is in greater detail?  I may be experiencing a bug.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Add Homonym on July 21, 2011, 12:41:51 AM
I find it a bit of a worry that the system will allow you to know who is praising or persecuting you through the PM system. It's a bit like deliberately sending them a PM.

By observing who does or doesn't praise you, a tit-for-tat mentality will develop. A person will feel guilty for not reciprocating, or hurt that another person never notices them.

Whilst, previously, the best way of getting [illegitimate] points was to (1) start a separate account, (2) have an agreement with a co-conspirator, or (3) have a stalker/admirer, the new method will encourage profligate praise in the hope of reciprocation (see Twitter follows), or abject laziness and no praising (which is quite likely how I will deal with the new system).

Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: One Above All on July 21, 2011, 02:42:07 AM
Thanks, HAL - but I can't see the Descriptions Log link anywhere on the main page.  Could you describe where it is in greater detail?  I may be experiencing a bug.

QFT
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 21, 2011, 06:15:44 AM
Thanks, HAL - but I can't see the Descriptions Log link anywhere on the main page.  Could you describe where it is in greater detail?  I may be experiencing a bug.

In the Forum Stats area, right next to More Stats.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Azdgari on July 21, 2011, 06:59:39 AM
On my Forum Stats area, there is nothing at all next to the More Stats link.

The following is what appears in the Forum Stats area for me:

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425878 Posts in 17962 Topics by 2803 Members. Latest Member: sherryllrussell
Latest Post: "Re: Karma Description Mo..." ( Today at 06:59:39 AM )
View the most recent posts on the forum.
[More Stats]
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Azdgari on July 21, 2011, 07:05:27 AM
Ahh, I see the problem.  I saw a +1 on one of Screwtape's posts, and clicked on it.  This yielded the following result:

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An Error Has Occurred!
Sorry - you don't have the proper permissions to view the Karma Description list.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Emergence on July 21, 2011, 11:31:33 AM
On my Forum Stats area, there is nothing at all next to the More Stats link.

Same problem here.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 21, 2011, 12:34:12 PM
On my Forum Stats area, there is nothing at all next to the More Stats link.

Same problem here.

Try it now please and let me know.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Emergence on July 21, 2011, 12:45:34 PM
Works fine now. Thanks for fixing it!
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Azdgari on July 21, 2011, 12:45:53 PM
Works fine now.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Azdgari on July 21, 2011, 12:49:07 PM
The "who changed my karma?" function doesn't seem to be working right.  Same with other peoples' when I view theirs.  Only a couple of points are visible in the list.  My first thought would be that list-items expire, but the function's a day old.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 21, 2011, 01:01:46 PM
Some Mods install permissions that have to be set in the permission area of the control menu, this was one of them. Being that an Admin can see everything, it was not initially obvious that a permission had to be set.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

The "who changed my karma?" function doesn't seem to be working right.  Same with other peoples' when I view theirs.  Only a couple of points are visible in the list.  My first thought would be that list-items expire, but the function's a day old.

It seems to be working for other members I've checked when I look in their profiles. I also logged in with a non-admin test account and I can see other members "who changed my karma?". So I can't explain why you can't see it.


Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: One Above All on July 21, 2011, 01:20:24 PM
The "who changed my karma?" function doesn't seem to be working right.  Same with other peoples' when I view theirs.  Only a couple of points are visible in the list.  My first thought would be that list-items expire, but the function's a day old.

QFT
Also, maybe some karma was attributed to the members by the admins when the mod was installed?
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Azdgari on July 21, 2011, 01:26:25 PM
^^ It does seem to have been attributed randomly.  When the mod was implimented, I suddenly got 12/-11 Darwins.  While it's possible that 23 karma-comments happened on my posts in that time, it's pretty unlikely.  That combined with the lack of a visible record for them makes me think that it's an unintended effect of the mod.

HAL, can you see any info on where my karma came from?  I can see the 2 points I gave out today (1 positive to Screwtape, 1 negative to Sambo) but nothing else.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: One Above All on July 21, 2011, 01:28:07 PM
I also got this +8/-1 randomly; I thought I was just away for a long time or that some members had prior knowledge of this and were waiting to vote on some posts.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 21, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
Oh, maybe I should explain better. We turned on karma a while back for a little while, but this logging mod wasn't installed. Then karma was turned off again. Any points that were given to you at that time stayed in the database, even though karma was turned off.

After this mod was enabled, those points were still associated with you, but they have no other attributes, such as explanations. Only karma given since the installation of this mod will have the other attributes that this mod saves. I hope that clears up the confusion.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: One Above All on July 21, 2011, 01:29:47 PM
<snip>I hope that clears up the confusion.

It does. Thanks.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Ambassador Pony on July 21, 2011, 05:51:06 PM
First!

I am the first to put as a reason: "I naturally select you"

Darlosers.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 21, 2011, 06:21:09 PM
Everybody is giving good reasons for their Darwin point awards so far - good job.

As the Darwin log evolves though, I'm sure we'll see some signs of a mutation which will have to be removed from the gene pool. The affected member's Darwins will be repaired if this happens, so don't worry!
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: EV on July 21, 2011, 06:25:47 PM
The affected member's Darwins will be repaired if this happens, so don't worry!

*GASP* Genetic modification?

I Dunno HAL, that might piss off our resident theists. It's unnatural...

It'll piss them off worse than they piss off us.

Oh the burning cynicism of my cynicism.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: mram on July 21, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
I really hope I don't hurt anyones feelings or leave you in a depressed emotional state and i hope you like me and want to give me karma, BUT you'll have to excuse the fact that I don't really give a rats ass about karma and don't much give a rats ass who does or doesn't like me... Yeah, I know..I contradict myself, but that's just the way the turd crumbled when it hit the shitter.  &)
I hope I didn't pollute the gene pool with the above, but I'm fully prepared to evolve into a demon or some such evil force if evolution deems it necessary.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Alzael on July 21, 2011, 07:40:29 PM
I'm not here for a couple of months and there's another pointless (and what will likely turn out to be worse) karma system now in vogue.

Really, I don't know what it is about you guys that makes you think this is a useful idea. When I get back fully in a couple of weeks it'll be interesting to see what this one turned into between now and then.

On a rather more amusing note, despite the fact that I haven't even been around for the last two months; I made the top five most smited users. I seem to recall having No True Scotsman and "muscle-brain" to thank for much of that.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 21, 2011, 07:48:01 PM
I'm not here for a couple of months and there's another pointless (and what will likely turn out to be worse) karma system now in vogue.

It's not pointless at all. It gives feedback based on the requirement to give reasons for opinion points (Darwins here). It's used on many forums, including my own forum (Atheist Think Tank) and is quite good at logging feedback, and many users are interested in the posts and reasons in the log. Why not give it a chance?
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Alzael on July 21, 2011, 07:56:26 PM
^^^^ At what point did I say that I wouldn't? I went along with all of the previous systems, despite how ridiculous they were, and still participated in giving out points when I felt it was warranted.

The fact remains however, unless this new system-of-the-month causes a heavenly choir to descend from Mount Olympus and suddenly make having a karma system less annoyance than it's worth. I'm unlikely to view it any different than another annoyance I have to deal with on occasion.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 21, 2011, 08:04:46 PM
The fact remains however, unless this new system-of-the-month ...

The karma logging mod has been around for years. It has only recently been updated for this version of SMF forum software, which is why we are just now installing it. It certainly is not a "system-of-the-month" in any case.

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I'm unlikely to view it any different than another annoyance I have to deal with on occasion.

If you view opinions on your posts as "annoyances", even if some of these opinions are positive, then yes, you will not like it. But that is what you must suffer now at WWGHA. If you don't like it, you are completely free to not use the forum any longer, of course. We will refund your registration fee in total.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Alzael on July 21, 2011, 08:15:55 PM

If you view opinions on your posts as "annoyances", even if some of these opinions are positive, then yes, you will not like it. But that is what you must suffer now at WWGHA. If you don't like it, you are completely free to not use the forum any longer, of course. We will refund your registration fee in total.

I didn't say that. I said I viewed the system as an annoyance. Not comments on my posts. Why didn't you use the karma system to give voice to your displeasure. That is what it's for, isn't it? Feedback. You seemed able to do that fairly well by actually making a post.

Now are you quite finished reading things into my posts that were never actually said, HAL? If it really bothers you and would make you happy you could always downvote the post. Otherwise please unlodge the stick and don't get unduly tempermental when someone criticizes or voices displeasure at something he feels is changed for the worse.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 21, 2011, 08:25:38 PM
Alzael,

Chill out. It's a long-used Mod that achieves a purpose and we're using it now. It's not the end of the world or anything.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Alzael on July 21, 2011, 08:32:05 PM
Alzael,

Chill out. It's a long-used Mod that achieves a purpose and we're using it now. It's not the end of the world or anything.

The mod (as I said) is at worse a minor annoyance.

You are the one I'm taking issue with at this point.

Your implication that just because I actually voiced an opinion that wasn't in awe of the mod indicates that I should apparently just leave the forum.

I'm terribly sorry HAL, that I don't think this mod is the atheistic equivalent of a heavenly gift, please forgive me. What I'm taking offence with is you and your response to that opinion.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 21, 2011, 08:33:17 PM
Did you have a bad vacation?
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Alzael on July 21, 2011, 08:42:50 PM
Did you have a bad vacation?

Actually it was very good, until I got back and you started behaving like this.

I was trying to think of something to respond to this statement that was pithy and sarcastic as usual. But nothing I can come up with can express how I feel at this statement as well as "Fuck you, HAL."

Now then, were there any other ways in which you wanted to be offensive while we're at it?

Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on July 21, 2011, 08:46:34 PM
Now then, were there any other ways in which you wanted to be offensive while we're at it?

Not that I can think of right now. Thanks for asking though.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Alzael on July 21, 2011, 08:48:44 PM
Now then, were there any other ways in which you wanted to be offensive while we're at it?

Not that I can think of right now. Thanks for asking though.

You're welcome. I'm perfectly happy to assist you in anyway that I can in your apparent new goal in becoming the most insufferable ass on the forum.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Ambassador Pony on July 21, 2011, 09:17:14 PM
I'm not here for a couple of months and there's another pointless (and what will likely turn out to be worse) karma system now in vogue.

Really, I don't know what it is about you guys that makes you think this is a useful idea. When I get back fully in a couple of weeks it'll be interesting to see what this one turned into between now and then.

You're not going to get any darwins with that attitude, Mr. Grumpy Pants.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Alzael on July 21, 2011, 09:50:22 PM
Somehow I think that I'll manage to survive.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: jetson on July 21, 2011, 10:00:26 PM
Somehow I think that I'll manage to survive.

Welcome back?
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Alzael on July 21, 2011, 10:10:49 PM
Somehow I think that I'll manage to survive.

Welcome back?

Not just yet. My internet is still messed. The only access I have is at work, but the only time when I can look at the forum depends on which boss is supervising me that day. Even then I can only type short messages, which is why I've avoided getting involved in any of the discussions. I couldn't really respond to them beyond with anything but a few sentences every now and then. I have been lurking and keeping up with the threads every now and then though.

I'll probaby actually be 'back' sometime next weekend when I can (hopefully) fix my problem. Right now is the first time my internet at home has been working (sort of working anyways) in the last week and a half. It's likely to cut back off at anytime though.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: ParkingPlaces on July 24, 2011, 09:59:41 PM
Hi guys

Too busy this summer, and too far away from the Internet to play angry atheist this summer, but I had a chance to borrow an iPad (I want!) and check in this evening. I see that we've evolved into this Darwin thingy, which is probably fine with me, because I never understood the use of the previous system and it's anonymous point giving. Well, I understood the process, but not the value.

But this new baby is even more confusing. I haven't posted for two months and I have 33 Darwins of the plus variety and one minus. WTF did they come from? Did someone conjure up a formula based on the prior system or is this the work of the devil?

I'll probably be back and hassling Christians by mid-September. but if I keep getting Darwin's while I'm gone, I'll just sit back and rake in the kudos for doing nothing. That's what I'm best at anyway.

Heck, the iPad doesn't let me scroll inside the Text entry box here. I may have to get a Dell  :(

Edit: Never mind. I found HAL's explanation mid-thread and I now understand. I think I'll like this new system because in the previous one I had no idea I ever got a -1, and if a guy's gonna get one of those, he should at least have the reason explained, no matter how ineptly.

That of course assumes that only Christians hate me that much, hence the assumed ineptness.

Oh, and I figured out how to scroll down in the text entry box so I still get to dream of iPads. This is good.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: mram on July 25, 2011, 04:22:15 AM
I probably overstated how I feel about karma mods, etc, but really.. aren't they just a lazy way of saying, "i'd like to respond, but I'm to lazy to write my agreement or disagreement down so I'll just click on an icon instead.."
I'm of the feeling that if you don't like me and think I suck just come out and say it.. I won't cry. I won't go sob into my pillow, but for chyst sake tossing a piece of cat turd behind my back isn't very impressive and likewise tossing a flower petal behind me isn't either..If you agree then say so, but clicking an icon I never bother looking at doesn't sway me in any way, shape or form and my ego isn't so fragile that if I get bad karma or good karma I won't crumble nor will I become elated.

Ehhh.. that's my 2 cat turds worth..
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: jetson on July 25, 2011, 06:33:43 AM
Oh, and I figured out how to scroll down in the text entry box so I still get to dream of iPads. This is good.

If you truly figured this out, I will  give you another Darwin.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: ParkingPlaces on July 25, 2011, 09:47:04 PM
Oh, and I figured out how to scroll down in the text entry box so I still get to dream of iPads. This is good.

If you truly figured this out, I will  give you another Darwin.

I figured out a workaround, which involves using the little edit bubble thing to move to the end of the text. I am planning to get my own iPad soon, but I think I'd rather just make short snide comments than go to all that trouble. Luckily that's one of my strong points  :D
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: jetson on July 26, 2011, 03:27:41 PM
Oh, and I figured out how to scroll down in the text entry box so I still get to dream of iPads. This is good.

If you truly figured this out, I will  give you another Darwin.

I figured out a workaround, which involves using the little edit bubble thing to move to the end of the text. I am planning to get my own iPad soon, but I think I'd rather just make short snide comments than go to all that trouble. Luckily that's one of my strong points  :D

OMG, that sucks!  But it does work, so I will stop my whining now.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Klokinator on October 18, 2011, 08:27:18 AM
Ancient necro post? It's only like the second topic down lol.

So these pouints are a bit confusing. Does it represent Atheist/agnostics/general non-godly population with plus points, and deists with negative points to show how opinions sway, or are plus points there to convey good posts and negative points for bad posts?
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Azdgari on October 18, 2011, 06:00:08 PM
It's supposed to represent the latter.
Title: Spam of some kind???
Post by: Gnu Ordure on October 28, 2011, 08:21:19 AM
^^^

I reported that (whatever it is, I'm not clicking on it) to the Mods.
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Gnu Ordure on October 29, 2011, 09:12:32 PM
My previous post referred to a spam post which has now been deleted, rather than Azdgari's post which it now appears to refer to.

Thought I'd clear that up.

Carry on. 
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: Azdgari on October 29, 2011, 10:46:35 PM
Much appreciated, Gnu. :)
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: HAL on March 27, 2012, 05:02:39 PM
Frivolous use of the Darwin system is not allowed, such as using the following types of reasons found today -

Countering an unjust smite (2 can play @ that)
Countering an unjust smite
Countering an undeserved smite
Blah blah blah (two instances found)
; )



Please re-read the initial post in this thread

Any misuse of the system will result in the Darwins being deleted and possible warnings issued.

Thanks
Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: screwtape on May 20, 2015, 07:32:27 AM
Because the staff does not want to be in the business of moderating karma, and because some people from time to time use the karma function for abusing fellow forum members, we have added a rule regarding karma.  It simply states that if you are deemed to be abusing the karma system, you may lose that privilege without notice. 

Typically, you will get a warning.  But if a member is doling out negative karma just for the sake of it, or using the karma comments for trolling or abuse, a warning won't be forthcoming.

Title: Re: Karma Description Mod Installed and Active With Log of All Activity
Post by: screwtape on July 21, 2015, 06:56:31 AM
Because the staff does not want to be in the business of moderating karma, and because some people from time to time use the karma function for abusing fellow forum members, we have added a rule regarding karma.  It simply states that if you are deemed to be abusing the karma system, you may lose that privilege without notice. 

Typically, you will get a warning.  But if a member is doling out negative karma just for the sake of it, or using the karma comments for trolling or abuse, a warning won't be forthcoming.

bump

A reminder to all to keep it civil, even in karma.  We have been seeing a lot of abusive language in karma lately.  Karma privileges will be revoked as needed if this continues.