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General Religious Discussion / Re: check out the logic in this quote
« Last post by junebug72 on Yesterday at 08:16:57 AM »
Let me see what I can come up with.

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

Thanks O you're awesome.  Made me smile from ear to ear. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: +1000. 

You won my heart with that move.  You're a slick one indeed!!! :)

That's LUV right thare I don't care who ya arah!  ;) southern slang, sorry
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General Religious Discussion / Re: The Tower of Babel
« Last post by stuffin on Yesterday at 08:16:43 AM »
WTF!!!next you will be saying the bible is a made up story.

I apologize if my post insinuated The Bible is just a Book of Stories. I didn't mean to insinuate, I should have been more clear.

The Bible is a Book of Stories, written by an ancient society, explaining their presence and interactions with the environment. I hope that helps.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: check out the logic in this quote
« Last post by Ataraxia on Yesterday at 08:16:05 AM »
OCG why aren't you smiling in that picture?   It's scary.

I came across it quite by accident when looking for an avatar.  I've always liked the actor, Boris Karloff, so downloaded it.  Hadn't actually thought is was scary.  Maybe I will look for another sometime.  For now, I like this one.

As always,

OldChurchGuy

Well it looks like a serial killer to me.  It upsets me every time I see it.  I try to ignore it but those eyes are horrifying/judgemental.  Why would anybody want what you have?  Most folks want happiness right.  You must not be happy.   You must not care if your avatar personifies happiness and love. 

It does not match your personality.  I am not trying to be mean.  Just honest.  Smile more, please.

Next you'll be saying he looks like Frankenstein('s monster)....
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General Religious Discussion / Re: check out the logic in this quote
« Last post by junebug72 on Yesterday at 08:15:27 AM »
Jaime I can't believe you said this.

The problem isn't the Bible, the problem is with the fact that humans are not especially empathetic by nature.  We generally put ourselves first, and then rank the social groups we're a part of based on how closely we associate with them.  Usually family is first, then community (or tribes/clans/extended family groups), then we have things like organizations (businesses and clubs), race, nation, and finally species.  But once you get outside of the immediate community, the others are all fairly abstract.  The point is that we're all connected, but most of us don't have the ability to perceive it because it it's too far outside of our myopic empathetic sense.

For example, all human beings are related to each other.  In a very real sense, we're all part of a giant extended family.  But we can barely perceive the connections to our extended family/community.  Once you get past that, it disappears into the "one, two, three, many" paradigm.  So the artificial connections between us based on perceived differences (organization, race, and nation) seem more real to us than the actual physical connections we share as members of the same species.

Until we figure out how to make people empathize with each other as members of the same species, then we'll continue to be divided against ourselves.  And while part of it is due to ancient superstitions used to explain some of those differences, much of it is due to uninformed, ignorant prejudice.

I agree the bible is not the only perpetrator but it is a major player.  When a man believes God approves of his hate and prejudice it makes an extremely dangerous man/woman/community/nation.  The bible/quran is responsible for extremism.  Mankind is responsible for letting it continue this long.

All we can really do is set a positive example in our own lives, right?  Maybe someone will ask you, "why are you so happy all the time", and then you can say, "this is how I do it", ya da ya da ya da.

Other than that great post.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: check out the logic in this quote
« Last post by OldChurchGuy on Yesterday at 08:11:30 AM »
OCG why aren't you smiling in that picture?   It's scary.

I came across it quite by accident when looking for an avatar.  I've always liked the actor, Boris Karloff, so downloaded it.  Hadn't actually thought is was scary.  Maybe I will look for another sometime.  For now, I like this one.

As always,

OldChurchGuy

Well it looks like a serial killer to me.  It upsets me every time I see it.  I try to ignore it but those eyes are horrifying/judgemental.  Why would anybody want what you have?  Most folks want happiness right.  You must not be happy.   You must not care if your avatar personifies happiness and love. 

It does not match your personality.  I am not trying to be mean.  Just honest.  Smile more, please.

Let me see what I can come up with.

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

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Examples include

The genealogy of Jesus back to Adam

The creation narrative in 2 Peter

Many of Paul's letters which state that one man originally sinned and one man corrected that sin.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: check out the logic in this quote
« Last post by junebug72 on Yesterday at 07:59:20 AM »
OCG why aren't you smiling in that picture?   It's scary.

I came across it quite by accident when looking for an avatar.  I've always liked the actor, Boris Karloff, so downloaded it.  Hadn't actually thought is was scary.  Maybe I will look for another sometime.  For now, I like this one.

As always,

OldChurchGuy

Well it looks like a serial killer to me.  It upsets me every time I see it.  I try to ignore it but those eyes are horrifying/judgemental.  Why would anybody want what you have?  Most folks want happiness right.  You must not be happy.   You must not care if your avatar personifies happiness and love. 

It does not match your personality.  I am not trying to be mean.  Just honest.  Smile more, please.

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The writers of the NT all took the creation story literally. It was the foundation idea of christianity which gave meaning to the crucifixion.

I admit ignorance (again).  What verses from the NT support this assertion?

Ever curious,

OldChurchGuy
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The writers of the NT all took the creation story literally. It was the foundation idea of christianity which gave meaning to the crucifixion.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: check out the logic in this quote
« Last post by junebug72 on Yesterday at 07:45:04 AM »
Until we figure out how to make people empathize with each other as members of the same species, then we'll continue to be divided against ourselves.  And while part of it is due to ancient superstitions used to explain some of those differences, much of it is due to uninformed, ignorant prejudice.

A good start would be to make every person on the planet listen to Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wupToqz1e2g

Wishful thinking, but still....

I'm pretty sure my empathy comes from being there.  I have this thing where I can picture myself in the same condition and it breaks my heart. I don't think you can MAKE people empathize.  There are some scientist out there trying to zap evil out of brains.  They also said it doesn't work on psychopaths, I think, I was heavily medicated. ;) I've been watching "Through the Wormhole" again. :laugh:  I respect the way the show always leaves you with more questions than answers.  That's where my signature comes from, "Question Everything".

Thanks for introducing me to Carl Sagan.  His voice was so soothing; his message inspiring. 

I think the worse division among us right now is economic divide; "class".  I may not be rich but I am a 1st class citizen.  To me many, not all, of the rich and the ones that want to be are the least patriotic, least empathetic and the reason this planet may not survive.  All they care about is money.

I don't know about y'all but it makes me kind of sick to my stomach when filthy rich folk beg me for money to feed starving animals.  I feel sorry for the animals but I think we should feed the children and humans first.  If you raise the standards of living for the poor you raise the standard for their pets as well.  Rising tides lifts all ships, right? :?

Have A Grrrrrrrreat Day!

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