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General Religious Discussion / Re: What's you're answer?
« Last post by YouCantHandleTheTruth on March 24, 2017, 06:16:31 PM »
That's the problem, 12 Monkeys! When we look at our universe on the largest scale we see no sort of intent in the way things have worked out. In fact following what we know about physics rewinding the expansion seems to show that our understanding of the physics is pretty good. The idea that  a persona created everything for the purpose of creating humans and who then drops the humans on an obscure planet seems quite unlikely.

The fact is that there is nothing in the universe that we presently know of that remotely suggests it was designed and, given the idea that it was designed for humans makes even less sense given the places humans might live. I mean, look how far it is to the nearest possible planet we might inhabit - 4 light years. That's hardly placed to help humans.

Rather, if it were not for holy bools written by ignorant men, no one would be proposing a creator or any sort or a ruler over the universe. Of course, Jstm you could always consult the works of Ludwig Feuerbach who in one of his works concluded that the only thing to be all-knowing and all-powerful in the universe was the entire human race! perhaps that would suit, Jst?

Doesn't it seem even less likely that it was designed for humans when it was inhabited by dinosaurs for millions of years? 
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A question for theists
« Last post by YouCantHandleTheTruth on March 24, 2017, 06:12:09 PM »
Not surprising that you give an amazingly ridiculous video and have cannot explain what you claimed.  What is false or true about adaptations?  what is this "genuine backbone" you claim?  I'm waiting for you to explain it.  I'm not wasting my time on videos.  You claim you have researched it, so please do expound on it. 

and no surprise that you give nothing at all for what you would take as evidence.  Nice dodge there, BS.  Same fail as before.

I think this is where we acknowledge that BS's need to believe is greater than his need to know.  There's no swaying BS, he's set in his beliefs, but it's not impossible that 10-15 years down the road he changes his mind.  We've seen that a lot from some famous preachers like Jerry DeWitt and Dan Barker, and people that went to seminary and lost their faith after really diving into the Bible, etc.

But I'm definitely done debating in this thread because of the assertions that God is there, and he can do no wrong.  Once you get to that point, it's like arguing with someone about Superman.  You can give Superman any qualities you want.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: What's you're answer?
« Last post by eh! on March 24, 2017, 05:59:28 PM »
I am waiting for the "you are discussing god therefore he must exist therefore there are no atheists"
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A question about Islam
« Last post by velkyn on March 24, 2017, 05:54:15 PM »
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General Religious Discussion / Re: What's you're answer?
« Last post by velkyn on March 24, 2017, 05:49:19 PM »
Does God exist?  Please explain.

no evidence for the one claimed by jst, other Christians, or other theists.

Jst, what evidence would it take you to believe in a god other than the one you claim exists?
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I don't want them seriously threatening human employment! :(

we can send in humans.  Many tedious, dirty dangerous jobs may be done by robots.  I'm curious if it's more important to have employment or to have humans not exposed to radiation, coal dust, repetitive strain injuries e.g. people in slaughterhouses, etc. 
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Chatter / Re: 5 Tips to lead a happier life
« Last post by shnozzola on March 24, 2017, 05:36:45 PM »
Happiness is now an academic field sparked by the mystery of why so many in the west with so much are so unhappy.

Its a conundrum for researchers.

........conundrum yes, and why so many in rural Africa, making a few dollars per day, but self sufficient, living far up in the mountains, with their garden beans and cabbage crop, chickens, eggs, corn meal and goat's milk, are laughing, singing, and dancing, and kissing great grandma.    :)
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You called me trump like.  You said college instructors don't like older students.  You said I don't know what sarcasm is.  I actually do know what sarcasm is.  It's like mockery.  That's exactly what I did.  I mocked that. Albeto did not include education in her question to me.  I added it in there. 

Do you agree education is necessary to change a woman's economic status or is abortion all it takes?

Do you know much about impulse control? 

Atheists do promote promiscuity.  Some are even okay with incest.  Not this atheist.  I don't promote it or say it's okay for adult brothers and sisters to have sex. 

It's time to get ready for work.  I will go through our transcripts and I will list all the insults from you.

that's quite a number of false claims about what I've said, JB.  I see we're back to your false claims and your apology is as I suspected, worthless, just another attempt at manipulation.  As has been pointed out, no one has said that abortion is the only way for people to get out of poverty.  You have returned to your false claim as expected.  Education can get people out of poverty. You have ignored my question:  how does someone who is poor get this education when they have no resources or they devote those resources to their children? 

Sarcasm is a form of mockery.  You have done neither.  You made false claims about what people said. 

I know quite a bit about impulse control, having a bipolar husband.  And controlling my own impulses when it comes to responding to people who make false claims.

Please do show how atheists promote promiscuity.  Your sentence is structured to claim this about all atheists.  And of course, you bring in more nonsense about incest.  Nice attempt to distract from the issues presented here.   

I'll be happy to wait for those supposed insults.  I'm also waiting for those threads you were supposedly going to start.   

Interesting that you now claim your counselor said "fuck you" about my posts.  Sure, she did, JB.   &)  It is interesting since I didn't say what you claimed "instructors not liking older students and the other derogatory remarks concerning my education."   Did you falsely represent me to someone else, JB? 

Let me show what I actually said again: 
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I can, and have, demonstrated that you use fallacies and you make false claims about others.  You don't get to have your own facts, JB.  You get to be held responsible for your claims.  It is no surprise at all that you have run away as soon as you are held accountable and the actual facts aren't going your way.  It's a shame that you evidently didn't even try to read the sources I gave, relying on willful ignorance to keep your nonsense intact.

Here on the forum, there are no real repercussions for your actions.  You'll be called on them but what I think of you doesn't much go beyond here.  You'll find that entirely different in an academic course where your grade depends on how you deal with reality.  Unless a professor is very new, they've seen plenty of students like you, someone who thinks that they know more than everyone else, and when they find out they don't, they take a tantrum.  A lot of returning adult students find themselves caught in this assumption.   It makes them unhappy and it makes everyone else unhappy.  Take advice and realize you'll need help. 

I don't need to apologize if I have done nothing wrong.  And pointing out that you make false claims is not wrong.  For someone who claims she is "triggered" by so many things, it's curious you have no problem in doing such behaviors.  The failure of communication does not belong to us "all".  But that's a nice false claims I can end this with, more attempts to blame others. 
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A question for theists
« Last post by velkyn on March 24, 2017, 05:22:46 PM »
this is quite...bizarre.   How is an adaptation "true" or false"?   considering that there is nothing to show that every thing is an illusion, and plenty not (place your bare hand in molten steel), it's a rather silly argument.

Well, velkyn, for once we agree on something....at least in the sense that when you first hear this, it does seem bizarre. However, it has received a tremendous amount of attention and as I indicated earlier in the thread, some learned non-theists grant a certain level of validity to it. Both theists and non-theists have taken exception to certain elements of it which has led to varying versions and refinement but it does maintain some genuine backbone. I have taken the time to really explore it and have read many of the attempts at refutation. Believe it or not, even I found some shortcomings in different versions of the argument but at least for now I find it rather compelling. I will share the video that helped me to at least get a grasp on the basic argument that led me to dig deeper and be able to consider the implications it presents:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uizZhrX1C6A

It is not a new argument. It has appeared in different forms by C.S. Lewis, Victor Reppert, J.P Moreland, and most recently by Alvin Plantinga.

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The request to provide physical evidence of a non-physical deity is a logical category error.

BS, what evidence would you need to believe in any one of the other gods that humans claim is as real as yours?

I have not studied every religion known to man but I have studied the major religions to a degree. For me, Christianity offers the most unifying and best evidenced. There is a cohesiveness to it that brings together all of the "why" and "how" questions most of us ask about the reality we share. That's it in a nutshell.

Not surprising that you give an amazingly ridiculous video and have cannot explain what you claimed.  What is false or true about adaptations?  what is this "genuine backbone" you claim?  I'm waiting for you to explain it.  I'm not wasting my time on videos.  You claim you have researched it, so please do expound on it. 

and no surprise that you give nothing at all for what you would take as evidence.  Nice dodge there, BS.  Same fail as before. 
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A question about Islam
« Last post by eh! on March 24, 2017, 05:00:20 PM »
Don't Muslims believe in the OT???
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