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Evolution & Creationism / Re: DNA Mapped From 45,000 Year Old Human Bone
« Last post by Graybeard on Yesterday at 08:50:24 AM »
I'd seriously suggest banning the statement that the earth is 6,000 years old, if it were not for the fact that it is a great way to identify the lunatic fringe of the godly.

If there were a 6,000 year old earth, radioactive decay would have been so high that either Adam, all his offspring and the living part of "creation" would have been fried within a few minutes or we would be "created" so that radioactivity does not affect us.
General Religious Discussion / Re: i reccomend this debate - re morality
« Last post by bertatberts on Yesterday at 08:41:41 AM »
Not really a hard task to get the upper hand with WLC. Even my nose hairs could. 
General Religious Discussion / i reccomend this debate - re morality
« Last post by eh! on Yesterday at 08:32:28 AM »
a really nice and really smart guy that I think all will agree gets the upper hand on WLC.

General Religious Discussion / Re: Jesus Never Existed
« Last post by eh! on Yesterday at 07:51:59 AM »
my comment was a rhetorical slap at skep.
Science / Re: Lockheed claims it'll have working fusion reactor in 10 years
« Last post by jaimehlers on Yesterday at 07:27:58 AM »
That reminds me of a sci-fi short story by Christopher Anvil I read a while back.  In his book, it took a stagnant inflated depression (or stagpression) to get people so sick of oil and its various foibles that they were willing to make a permanent switch.  Of course, one of the advantages in his book is that the cars themselves were also made with this solar cell technology.

So it isn't that it's impossible, but that humans collectively need things to get really dark before they're willing to change.
General Religious Discussion / Re: Jesus Never Existed
« Last post by Fiji on Yesterday at 07:25:11 AM »
did the original broadcast of war of the worlds sound like someone who was simply writing fiction?

Yes, it did. Infact, they went out of their way to remind people that they were listening to fiction.
How anyone could have heard that and thought that aliens had really landed is beyond me.
However, the Spanish version that was used in Bolivia years later did claim to be real and that did cause wide-spread panic.
Chatter / Re: Poetry, or "What I Believe to be Poetry"
« Last post by Graybeard on Yesterday at 07:24:56 AM »
There is no definition of poetry, and this is a problem. Writing something devoid of punctuation does not make it poetry. Here, I have removed the lines:
the tire was filled to the rim with water the lights were out and time seemed to be at a standstill of empathy  I was understanding to the trail of thoughts  but I couldn't believe they were more than the stone broken across my face  in a war that suppressed my own grandchild of future apathy .. I saw the stars shining in a distant space it was calm and serene yet there was fire and I felt the flames against my skin   I felt the echo of life drain from my soul for all of me was gone -- all of me was perturbed in the desire to not fear what was being drained  out of me  (my voice) it's always quiet when the wind blows  when it stops that's when the stars fall upon eyes  that become born anew it's as if being aborted by strange occurrences and not knowing the cause  and not caring either etchings lay dormant    tnamrod yal sgnihcte signature of fortitude and blood seeping through the cold veins of my being ..   I was told by a Christian I wasn't loved but they loved me  I was told by a Muslim that I was an infidel because through my blood a Jew ran, a Rabbi sang, a Christ was borne  I was told by a Buddhist there was no peace   in me  just coldness .. utter fuckin' coldness and nothing was  me   through seeping blood and fortitude of [a] signature the cold veins of my being .. tnamrod yal sgnihcte    etchings lay dormant I just want to hear the whispers past the regret and not have   to weep more than I have to   I just want to live my life without conforming to the ideals of a people who say I am not even human because I do not  believe in what they believe   or see what they see  I just want to be my self and look into that reflecting glass and see the future become more than what it is that we all can see without regret and   with-out solitude   of contention   ..   ..   .. .. I feel that's too much to ask and so the tire was filled to the rim with water but nothing was ever really in it not life or anything just the mass consumption of emptiness the mountains will all crumble and we all will perish for we are the disease that makes us breathe  we are our own fortitude of contention we are nothing but the dust in the wind and   we are our un-doing .. I shall not deviate from my being and my soul   I shall be who I was born to be
That is not poetry. Neither is it straight prose. A new word or phrase is needed. If it is a phrase, the word ‘poetry’ should be avoided.

I say this as it is one of those streams of consciousness that have meaning to those who [work to] believe it has some meaning: first you believe, then you can believe/understand.

If we take some traditional poetry, something 100% of people recognise as poetry, e.g. America’s 10 best loved poems:

And render Song of Myself without line breaks:

I celebrate myself, and sing myself, and what I assume you shall assume, for every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. I loafe and invite my soul, I lean and loafe at my ease observing a spear of summer grass. My tongue, every atom of my blood, form’d from this soil, this air, Born here of parents born here from parents the same, and their parents the same, I, now thirty-seven years old in perfect health begin, hoping to cease not till death. Creeds and schools in abeyance, retiring back a while sufficed at what they are, but never forgotten, I harbor for good or bad, I permit to speak at every hazard, Nature without check with original energy.

We can see that it is ‘poetry.’ The richness of language and the meter give the definition.

General Religious Discussion / Re: Jesus Never Existed
« Last post by Add Homonym on Yesterday at 03:19:05 AM »
When is the first independent account of Christians? Rome, 66CE? Plenty of time for Paul's 'meeting' to have taken root in far away places, too far to know the real facts, if there were any.

I think I believe that the accounts of "Christians" in Rome at 66CE and Nero, are bogus, due to the evidence not corroborating. Furthermore, no Christian doctrine existed at that date, so they were indistinguishable from Jews, as far as Nero and Claudius were concerned.
Early Christ-followers called themselves 'saints', 'brethren', 'Brothers of the Lord' and their critics used various names: Nazoreans, Ebionites, 'God fearers', atheists. The Jewish association remained strong throughout the first century and when Christian sects got going in Rome in the second century they were identified by their rival leaders – Valentinians, Basilidians, Marcionites, etc.

skep is feeling upset, the same skep who tries to draw associations  between peds and gays when there aren't any, atheists and evil when there aren't any, and whatever else the ignorant bigot runs his mouth off about.

the same skep, the unrepentant liar.

And he misused the word ironic. Sigh.

He misuses a lot of words.

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