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Sexuality, Reproduction, & Abortion / Re: The hacking of Ashley Madison
« Last post by Azdgari on Yesterday at 05:48:48 PM »
So the skeptic trusts a questionable survey without question from a Christian organization.  Fascinating.

If you can find fault with their methodology, then have at it.

The fact that they're a Christian organization is relevant because it means that they have no motivation to over-report the instances of cheating.
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Sexuality, Reproduction, & Abortion / Re: The hacking of Ashley Madison
« Last post by Marvin on Yesterday at 05:48:29 PM »
So the skeptic trusts a questionable survey without question from a Christian organization. Fascinating.

Why is it questionable, in your view?

Mostly because the results are out of sync with what I actually see, and I've seen enough flawed surveys not to blindly trust these kind of statistics.

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Maybe for someone with a bias, but christians are people too, you know, and people make mistakes.

I'll reword the argument I made earlier then.  Assuming that all the groups get married at the same rate, if 45% of Christian marriages involve infidelity, the implication is that at least 1/3 of all marriages in America involve infidelity.  That's not even counting non-Christians.

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How is it questionable? It was a survey conducted by Christians. Why would they give such high numbers? One would think they'd give low numbers, not high ones.

More of that flawless logic I see.

For starters, the site you linked has a motive in trying to warn people about the dangers of porn.
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Biblical Contradictions / Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!
« Last post by jaimehlers on Yesterday at 05:43:01 PM »
And the first line in Revelations gives the impression that the book is a vision.
Which is irrelevant, not to mention circular reasoning.

Now, I expect an actual reply to the post I wrote, rather than a restatement of the claim which prompted my writing that post.
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So, the bible is just another book of fiction that can be critiqued as literature. Good to know. I would rate the bible as on par with the Homeric classics, with similar historical validity. That means most of tbe places mentioned correspond to real world locations, some of the characters match up with real people and all tbe magic is made up. And almost none of the events described have independent verification from other sources.

 In other words, about as historical as the Harry Potter series. Possibly okay as literature if you like violent themed fantasy with a side order of apocalypse. Could use editing to eliminate repetition. But seriously, this would have a very hard time finding a publisher today. Or readers, considering even believers can't force themselves to wade through the entire thing.
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Sexuality, Reproduction, & Abortion / Re: The hacking of Ashley Madison
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 05:41:07 PM »
How is it questionable? It was a survey conducted by Christians. Why would they give such high numbers? One would think they'd give low numbers, not high ones.

I think Marvin is making a mountain out of an anthill. Of course he's a troll...

-Nam
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It really is.  That's why I'm usually refused any request at support or citations.  Most people fly all day with zero.
Citing sources does not demonstrate that your argument is correct, only that you are not basing it solely on your own opinion.  The person you are citing may be incorrect, or you might have misunderstood their argument, or you might be misusing their argument, or a number of other things.  The only thing you have done by citing the author of the Heartland Forensic Pathology website is shown that you have some basis for your position other than your own opinion.  That is not nearly enough to show that your argument is correct.  In fact, your apparent unwillingness to respond to my criticisms of your use of stuff from this website you keep citing indicates that you know your argument is flawed.

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For example...this "not seeing into the past" thing.    No contrary, peer reviewed documentation in the last 4 years.
Every scientific paper ever written utilizes data from past events.  This is such a basic part of science that challenging it because nobody has written any papers specifically saying that it happens is not even slightly reasonable, especially when you are basing it on mined quotes from a forensic scientist who was arguing against specific mistaken practices in his field.
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Sexuality, Reproduction, & Abortion / Re: The hacking of Ashley Madison
« Last post by One Above All on Yesterday at 05:34:57 PM »
So the skeptic trusts a questionable survey without question from a Christian organization. Fascinating.

Why is it questionable, in your view?

45% of all Christian marriages involve cheating is still absurdly high for anyone with a sense of scale though.

Maybe for someone with a bias, but christians are people too, you know, and people make mistakes.
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Sexuality, Reproduction, & Abortion / Re: The hacking of Ashley Madison
« Last post by Marvin on Yesterday at 05:23:02 PM »
35% of all US married male Christians cheat on their spouse. I didn't conduct it, a survey company and a Christian organization did it. That's Christians saying those numbers are correct.

http://www.provenmen.org/press-releases/2014-survey-find-out-how-many-christians-are-having-extramarital-sexual-affairs-and-how-porn-is-the-igniting-fuel/

So the skeptic trusts a questionable survey without question from a Christian organization.  Fascinating.

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That's exactly what I said. Try reading what I write and not skimming it. Unless you're saying that for all Christians everywhere in the world?

Oh, OK.

45% of all Christian marriages involve cheating is still absurdly high for anyone with a sense of scale though.
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Any scientific paper at all must make statements about the past.  Absolutely all data we have is from the past.
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Sexuality, Reproduction, & Abortion / Re: The hacking of Ashley Madison
« Last post by One Above All on Yesterday at 05:12:17 PM »
The word "wives" also kinda gave it away. Usually, a wife is only declared as such after marriage, but that may be my European upbringing talking. ;D
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