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Here's an oldie but a goodie:

 "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

Devoid of meaning? No way.

That's a prayer. Look up what "saying" means.
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Here's an oldie but a goodie:

 "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

Devoid of meaning? No way.

By the same guy, and is nonsensical:

"Nothing which is true or beautiful or good makes complete sense in any immediate context of history; therefore we must be saved by faith."

-Nam
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Questions For Old Church Guy
« Last post by skeptic54768 on Yesterday at 03:08:49 PM »
I disagree with OCG stating that skeptic has "good intentions". Personally, I think he has selfish warped intentions. He's a hateful person and probably believes everyone should hate like he does.

OCG, I bet you are not even a Christian in his eyes, his past comments, and even some in this topic, state such things.

-Nam

Nam,

How can you complain about me when you call yourself an asshole and claim that you revel in it and don't try to hide it?
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Other people tell them. How do they know? They make it up.

So it goes back to "Why does religion exist"?

-Nam

-One
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Questions For Old Church Guy
« Last post by skeptic54768 on Yesterday at 03:05:32 PM »


At this point in my life, I honestly don't believe Jesus made such a statement. 

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

Jesus definitely said it, OCG.

If you disagree with Jesus, can you honestly call yourself a Christian?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Questions For Old Church Guy
« Last post by skeptic54768 on Yesterday at 02:57:01 PM »
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Gospel of Mark was most likely written in 65 A.D. according to scholars.

Skeptic pointed that out above.  I've heard that 65 A.D. is the earliest estimate, and some scholars suggest 70 A.D. or later. 

Either way... why wait over three decades to write this down? 

I know that certain events, we can remember clearly from decades before.  I'm sure if someone witnessed something that they thought was a miracle, they'd remember it.   Then again, if they wanted prestige or importance through storytelling and being a leader of men, they'd "remember" more exaggerated details of the story to hold the crowd.

Remembering someone's exact words or life's story from three decades later is very tough.

I've heard all my dad's stories hundreds of times, but, after he passed, I wrote some of them down as best as I could remember.  I didn't remember all of them.  I didn't remember the exact locations or years.  I may not have conveyed important details, even though I tried.   I wrote these down RIGHT AWAY after he died, and I couldn't get all of the details right.

Why would someone from an illiterate time, where people didn't often live to old age, be able to remember exact details from thirty years ago (or more)?

And considering that many of the Biblical stories sound better when improved as "fish stories"  (The fish was 10 feet long, I fought it for 5 hours...)

Why wouldn't people exaggerate the story to bring the audience in?


I just don't see any reason to trust what's in the Bible as "solid" storytelling of actual events.

Paul's letters are dated as early as 50 A.D. This is only within possibly 13-23 years after Jesus rose. What we know for sure is that Pilate was governor from 27-37 A.D. and Jesus was crucified under Pilate, so this means Jesus could have rose as early as 27 A.D. or as late as 37 A.D.
If it was 37 A.D., that is only 13 years before Paul's letter.
If it was 27, that's still only 23 years.
 Let's meet in the middle and say 32 A.D. That's still only 18 years.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: The unbelievers
« Last post by nogodsforme on Yesterday at 02:52:15 PM »
Yes, all those European people who thought they were Christians and were willing to die before they would renounce their faith--including those Puritans who fled to the American continent to practice their religion free of persecution-- all false worshipers of demons. No doubt burning in hell now. With surprised, offended expressions on their faces.

They followed all those strict bible rules: drowned witches, put people in the stocks for blaspheming, made adulterers wear the scarlet A, did not spare the rod, named the kids they beat with those rods Moses, Daniel, Charity and Faith. They made sure their furniture had straight lines because round arms on chairs or curved legs on tables led to impure thoughts. They ate bland food, because spices inflamed the passions. They owned one book-- the bible-- and taught their children reading and writing with that as the main text. They were sober, serious, industrious, pious slave owning Christians.

And they might as well have been hard drinking, fornicating, cursing, non-slave owning heathen pirates.  :P

Do the people who say that the US was founded as a Christian country by Christians not know that most of the founders owned slaves (even had sex with them) and some fought in the Revolutionary War--killing other Christians? So they would not be real Christians, right? But they founded a Christian nation..... :?

Another question: does skeptic celebrate Thanksgiving? :-\

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Here's an oldie but a goodie:

 "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

Devoid of meaning? No way.


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Chatter / Re: Republican Presidential Nomination
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 02:45:34 PM »
Chris Christie says he wishes to punch a teacher's union in the face, literally:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/chris-christie-to-teachers-union-you-deserve-a-punch-in-the-face/2015/08/03/86358c2c-39de-11e5-8e98-115a3cf7d7ae_story.html?tid=hpModule_99d5f542-86a2-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394

How would a Republican educate children? By getting rid of teacher unions, paying teachers less so they really don't care (the school system I went through where the average teacher was making less than the janitors at the same school), get rid of the Education dept. and privatize all public schools which then would be having parents become poor, and the poor become destitute or arrested for not being able to send their kids to school.

Just my opinion.

-Nam
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Questions For Old Church Guy
« Last post by wheels5894 on Yesterday at 02:41:07 PM »
Sorry, I'm not saying any of these things are true or even exist but merely setting out the basic idea of salvation which is the heart of the Christian gospel.
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