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I lack belief that Yahweh exists.  You can't be a prick if you don't exist. 

The golden rule has been around since before the bible.  Not everybody wants to be treated like I do.  Maybe we should treat people the way they want to be treated unless they like violence. 

You are [absolutely] using the bible.

Indeed.

It is hard to analyze the morals of an imaginary Yahweh without using that book of myths.

Regards
DL
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Religion & Society / Re: Hello, atheists who did you vote for?
« Last post by jdawg70 on December 05, 2016, 11:49:25 AM »
Can you tell me that the US government couldn't possibly put mind-altering and mind-controlling substances into the water with 100% certainty??
Can you tell me the Russian government couldn't possibly put arsenic into bottled water with 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that a clandestine organization of highly trained assassins couldn't possibly put nicotine into the water supply with 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that advanced aliens couldn't possibly put cyanide into the water supply with 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that Satan couldn't possibly put poison into the water supply with 100% certainty?

Do you understand why I am putting 100% certainty in bold?  Do you understand why I had asked you to define what you mean by 'slight' or 'low chance'?

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Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in <insert any nation we accept immigrants and refugees from> for 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in <insert any organization you reject> for 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in <insert any organization you support> for 100% certainty?
I have no 100% certainty for any of those you stated above.
But I have records of refugee crisis (rapes and murders and other criminal activities) in other countries in Europe.  Do those count?
Yes, they count.

How do those numbers compare to, say, non-refugees doing such things?  And how well have you vetted that data?

And just to say it: I find it weird that you spin the 'refugee crisis' as 'how refugees affect us', as opposed to 'what crisis the refugees are facing.'  You're not the only one who does it, and it's...fine in some contexts I suppose.  But that just strikes me as weird personally.

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Anything you want to say about Sanctuary City?
Not really.  I've not watched the video, and you brought it up prior to my engagement with you here.  So I didn't know if it was relevant to our conversation.

Are you going to bother acknowledging my constant requests for you to clarify what you mean by 'slight' or 'low chance'?
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Religion & Society / Re: Hello, atheists who did you vote for?
« Last post by jaimehlers on December 05, 2016, 11:45:36 AM »
Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in Syrian refugee for 100% certainty?
If you can't, there is poison in the cup.  What we don't know is "how much poison".
I am withdrawing as a participant of this discussion so I can act as a moderator.  John, what you have put here is conjecture.  And while conjecture itself is okay for a discussion, what is not okay is to attempt to substitute your conjecture as the baseline of the discussion, especially when it's based on bad reasoning.

To put it very simply, it does not follow that because there is a nonzero chance of ISIS attempting to infiltrate under the guise of Syrian refugees, that therefore some percentage of those refugees are going to be ISIS members.  Nor does it follow that because someone could not tell you with certainty that a glass of water did not contain poison, that therefore it does contain poison and the only question is how much.  That is a form of faulty deduction known as jumping to conclusions, in addition to being a non sequitur ("it does not follow").

Please exercise more care when crafting your arguments in the future, as logical fallacies are detrimental to discussions.
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Religion & Society / Re: Hello, atheists who did you vote for?
« Last post by John 3 16 on December 05, 2016, 11:23:21 AM »
Can you tell me that the US government couldn't possibly put mind-altering and mind-controlling substances into the water with 100% certainty??
Can you tell me the Russian government couldn't possibly put arsenic into bottled water with 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that a clandestine organization of highly trained assassins couldn't possibly put nicotine into the water supply with 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that advanced aliens couldn't possibly put cyanide into the water supply with 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that Satan couldn't possibly put poison into the water supply with 100% certainty?

Do you understand why I am putting 100% certainty in bold?  Do you understand why I had asked you to define what you mean by 'slight' or 'low chance'?

...
......
Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in <insert any nation we accept immigrants and refugees from> for 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in <insert any organization you reject> for 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in <insert any organization you support> for 100% certainty?
I have no 100% certainty for any of those you stated above.
But I have records of refugee crisis (rapes and murders and other criminal activities) in other countries in Europe.  Do those count?

Anything you want to say about Sanctuary City?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: velkyn, strong atheism
« Last post by albeto on December 05, 2016, 11:00:11 AM »

A new thread has been started.

I saw. Thanks. Care to answer my question pertinent to this thread? I've asked a number of times but it seem to have gotten lost. I'll repeat for clarity.

Does your agreement with jetson include the condition that when and if the nuances in the conversation warrant the use of the qualifier "strong," it is appropriate then to do so?
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Religion & Society / Re: Hello, atheists who did you vote for?
« Last post by jdawg70 on December 05, 2016, 10:59:39 AM »
Better analogy:
"I am not sure if this cup of water contains poison to kill my kid, chance is low.  So what the heck!! I will make them drink it". Because I am not sure.

Have you figured out what you mean by words like 'slight' or 'chance is low' yet?
Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in Syrian refugee for 100% certainty?
If you can't, there is poison in the cup.  What we don't know is "how much poison".

Can you tell me that the US government couldn't possibly put mind-altering and mind-controlling substances into the water with 100% certainty??
Can you tell me the Russian government couldn't possibly put arsenic into bottled water with 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that a clandestine organization of highly trained assassins couldn't possibly put nicotine into the water supply with 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that advanced aliens couldn't possibly put cyanide into the water supply with 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that Satan couldn't possibly put poison into the water supply with 100% certainty?

Do you understand why I am putting 100% certainty in bold?  Do you understand why I had asked you to define what you mean by 'slight' or 'low chance'?

...
......
Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in <insert any nation we accept immigrants and refugees from> for 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in <insert any organization you reject> for 100% certainty?
Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in <insert any organization you support> for 100% certainty?
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Religion & Society / Re: Hello, atheists who did you vote for?
« Last post by John 3 16 on December 05, 2016, 10:51:12 AM »
Better analogy:
"I am not sure if this cup of water contains poison to kill my kid, chance is low.  So what the heck!! I will make them drink it". Because I am not sure.

Have you figured out what you mean by words like 'slight' or 'chance is low' yet?
Can you tell me that ISIS couldn't possibly infiltrate in Syrian refugee for 100% certainty?
If you can't, there is poison in the cup.  What we don't know is "how much poison".
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Religion & Society / Re: Hello, atheists who did you vote for?
« Last post by jdawg70 on December 05, 2016, 10:50:52 AM »
...and how about your fellow humans who are not Americans?  Do they count for a little less than humans who are Americans?  Are you fine supporting an agenda that removes the chance of your fellow American being in harms way in exchange for adding the chance of your fellow non-American being in harms way?
What is wrong with providing food and protection in other countries?

Aren't I the one asking you that question?
Bold is mine.  Thank you.

You're...welcome?
Trump said he is willing to provide food and protection in other countries, but not in the US without extreme vetting process.

k seriously this particular thread of discussion between you and I didn't have a single solitary thing to do with Trump.  This was about stuff you said.  Go back to where our conversation started with this one.  I think you're mixing up conversations.
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Religion & Society / Re: Hello, atheists who did you vote for?
« Last post by jdawg70 on December 05, 2016, 10:48:26 AM »
Do you think that children speak to other human beings besides their parents by chance?  Do you think they watch the TV or the Youtubes?
I think the dad's response to his kid was even more deceiving.
"Don't worry kid, we will fight for our rights".

Fight for what? deportation of legal US citizens for being Middle Eastern American?
Well, for their rights as American citizens.  If they don't need to fight for those rights, all the merrier.

Seriously, this is the level of 'lying' that makes you puke?  Are you sure you're not getting indignant for the sake of being indignant?

It is going to help your case immensely if you can remember what TV program this was from, or better yet, the actual words that rando Middle Eastern Guy #242 said.

Also, I guess I should clear this up: you do understand the differences between 'lying' and 'being mistaken', yes?
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Religion & Society / Re: Hello, atheists who did you vote for?
« Last post by John 3 16 on December 05, 2016, 10:46:04 AM »
...and how about your fellow humans who are not Americans?  Do they count for a little less than humans who are Americans?  Are you fine supporting an agenda that removes the chance of your fellow American being in harms way in exchange for adding the chance of your fellow non-American being in harms way?
What is wrong with providing food and protection in other countries?

Aren't I the one asking you that question?
Bold is mine.  Thank you.

You're...welcome?
Trump said he is willing to provide food and protection in other countries, but not in the US without extreme vetting process.
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