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General Religious Discussion / Re: Perfect humans
« Last post by natlegend on Yesterday at 10:53:19 PM »
would you even have a desire to eat the apple?......eating leads to the need to expel waste... Not really perfect...as we see from waste in the streets leads to the Black Plague

Good point. Yaweh is 'perfect' and I'm pretty sure he doesn't shit...
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Religion In The News / Re: Starting a religion
« Last post by natlegend on Yesterday at 10:51:39 PM »
Yeah, that was the guy. Amazing how it all happened.
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Are you going to continue to dodge or are you going to answer my questions:

I think you missed what I was questioning. I am not referring to the legal or moral aspect. What I am asking is, from a purely biological perspective, how do you draw a distinction between pedophilia, bestiality, incest, necrophilia being “not natural” and homosexuality being “natural?” If the homosexual cannot help their attraction because it is hardwired into them, then doesn’t it follow that the same holds true for the other attractions? If so, then why are they not considered just as “natural” as homosexuality? Again, I want to emphasize that this has nothing to do with legal or moral standards.

Wow, I so wish I didn't have to go to work now. Hopefully someone else here will point out (again) that I indeed have answered your question, and that you continuously fail to answer mine.

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In short, the adverse consequence is that allowing same-sex marriage may produce a decline in overall marriage rates...

So what if there is a decline in overall marriage rates? Seriously, SO WHAT? There's plenty of advocates for curbing human population growth...

...and lead to a decline in the family structure.

How so? What do you mean by 'decline in family structure'?

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Yeah, no bias there.

Try again BS.

-Nam

A person's background and experience does not necessarily warrant a charge of bias. Your accusation would hold some weight if you found bias in the work.

Did you read the above that I quoted? Everything she does, her husband (a Bishop), her children do go into furthering her prophesized viewpoint of herself and her family to bring Christianity and the teachings of the Bible and what it stands for to the world.

THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS -- how is that not biased?

Man, you are so full of shit and have an excuse for everything.

-Nam

So, if you present a research paper prepared by an atheist, I should dismiss it as a "biased" without even reading it?
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Religion In The News / Re: Starting a religion
« Last post by wright on Yesterday at 10:42:08 PM »
^^^Andrew Wakefield. Here's a link to the basics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield#Fraud_and_conflict_of_interest_allegations

He's suffered very little compared to the amount of suffering he's caused, directly and indirectly.
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During months when ice cream consumption is highest, murder rates increase.

Eating ice cream causes more murders, obviously.

A decline in pirates world-wide has seen an increase in global temperatures...

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You have ignored me.

At present, we can observe the trends in other countries that have legalized same-sex marriage and, so far, the research is indicating that the outcome is adverse in some respects:

Spain in particular, she said, saw a “precipitous” downward acceleration in the numbers of all marriages by a 15,000 a year in first three years that followed the legalisation of same-sex marriage by the Socialist government in 2005.

So, what?

The rate of decline later more than doubled to 34,000 fewer marriages a year in between 2008 and 2010.

Whoop-de-doo

Dr Morgan also produced evidence to show that heterosexual marriages were less stable in those countries where same-sex marriage had been introduced because they were expected to conform to the values of gay couples whose unions were often open, rather than exclusive, and far more likely to break down.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Cohabiting gay couples were 12 times more likely to separate that married heterosexual couples, she said.

Note it says "cohabiting gay couples", and not "married gay couples.

Same sex marriage is more a terminus for marriage or ultimate act of dissolution, rather than a force for revival.”

Care to comment? Can you please cite one possible adverse consequence of allowing same sex couples to marry.

I am not ignoring you. Do you want me to respond to your "so what" and "Whoop-de-doo" comments?

Did you even read the links I provided? I highly doubt that you did otherwise you wouldn't still be asking me to cite one possible adverse consequence of allowing same sex couples to marry. In short, the adverse consequence is that allowing same-sex marriage may produce a decline in overall marriage rates and lead to a decline in the family structure.



Are you going to continue to dodge or are you going to answer my questions:

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I think you missed what I was questioning. I am not referring to the legal or moral aspect. What I am asking is, from a purely biological perspective, how do you draw a distinction between pedophilia, bestiality, incest, necrophilia being “not natural” and homosexuality being “natural?” If the homosexual cannot help their attraction because it is hardwired into them, then doesn’t it follow that the same holds true for the other attractions? If so, then why are they not considered just as “natural” as homosexuality? Again, I want to emphasize that this has nothing to do with legal or moral standards.

If you don't know the answer to this by now you are beyond help. What a highly prejudiced little person you are!

You are dodging. Please answer my question.
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^^^ negative! those who are full of shit will continue to be full of shit regardless of the classes taken after being taught faulty logic as a child.
 
OCG has proved this - emphatically.  He is like watching Islam behead people and silver tongue us why it's his god's approval it was right. We listen and think it belongs in a reasonable society.


Shawshank redemption - I wanna take that young man and shake some sense into him!
http://www.shawshankredemption.org

"Red: There's not a day goes by I don't feel regret. Not because I'm in here, or because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then, a young, stupid kid who committed that terrible crime. I want to talk to him. I want to try and talk some sense to him, tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone and this old man is all that's left. I got to live with that. Rehabilitated? It's just a bullshit word. So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a shit."
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Perfect humans
« Last post by 12 Monkeys on Yesterday at 10:33:54 PM »
I can't get believers to accept a pure state of perfection, where needs would not exist.
would you even have a desire to eat the apple?......eating leads to the need to expel waste... Not really perfect...as we see from waste in the streets leads to the Black Plague
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All I can conclude from the short responses you provided is that you do not feel the decline in marriages and the impact it has on family structure is of any real consequence.

Pretty much correct.

That's fine but you didn't say why you feel that is inconsequential?

Nuh-uh, you don't get to say "It would be bad" without specifying what in fact 'would be bad'.

I think you missed what I was questioning. I am not referring to the legal or moral aspect. What I am asking is, from a purely biological perspective, how do you draw a distinction between pedophilia, bestiality, incest, necrophilia being “not natural” and homosexuality being “natural?” If the homosexual cannot help their attraction because it is hardwired into them, then doesn’t it follow that the same holds true for the other attractions? If so, then why are they not considered just as “natural” as homosexuality? Again, I want to emphasize that this has nothing to do with legal or moral standards.

You are dodging. Please answer my question.

I already answered your question. Please apologise for the accusation of dodging, thank you.

I don't think paedophilia, bestiality, incest and necrophilia is natural. It is not natural to hurt another for one's own gain and to the other's demise. Homosexuality hurts no one. Get it? No one.
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