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General Religious Discussion / Re: Theist-atheist dictionary
« Last post by jaimehlers on Yesterday at 09:56:13 AM »
I'd like to see what makes either the oxford english dictionary or the atheist-theist dictionary that you are building an authority on words...
There is no "authority on words".  Dictionaries tell you what the commonly-used meanings of words are, not which meaning is the most authoritative.
Chatter / Re: Gun Fails
« Last post by One Above All on Yesterday at 09:50:50 AM »
Is it any surprise that more guns=more gun-related problems?
Chatter / Re: Gun Fails
« Last post by Graybeard on Yesterday at 09:33:45 AM »
Background research from Science Daily. Read more + links at

Gun deaths are a serious public health issue in the United States and the scope of the problem is often difficult to illustrate. A new study published in The American Journal of Medicine lays out the risk in concrete terms. When compared to 22 other high-income nations, Americans are ten times more likely to be killed by a gun than their counterparts in the developed world. Specifically, gun homicide rates are 25 times higher in the U.S. and, while the overall suicide rate is on par with other high-income nations, the U.S. gun suicide rate is eight times higher.

[…] When compared to other high-income nations, as an American you are:
• Seven times more likely to be violently killed
• Twenty-five times more likely to be violently killed with a gun
• Six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun
• Eight times more likely to commit suicide using a gun
• Ten times more likely to die from a firearm death overall
Homicide is the second leading cause of death for Americans 15 to 24 years of age, and the third leading cause of death among those 25 to 34 years of age.
[…]Erin Grinshteyn, PhD, Assistant Professor, University of Nevada-Reno, School of Community Health Science, [explained] "For example, offenders take into account the threat posed by their adversaries. Individuals are more likely to have lethal intent if they anticipate that their adversaries will be armed."

Suicide is another source of gun deaths. While suicide rates for the U.S. are similar to those in other high-income countries, Americans are eight times as likely to take their own lives using a gun. […]
America's love affair with firearms has dire consequences, especially when compared to outcomes in the rest of the developed world. Investigators found that despite having only half the population of the other 22 high-income nations combined, the U.S. accounted for 82% of all firearm deaths. In addition, the U.S. accounted for 90% of all women, 91% of children aged 0 to 14 years, and 92% of youth aged 15 to 24 years who were killed by firearms.

"Overall, our results show that the U.S., which has the most firearms per capita in the world, suffers disproportionately from firearms compared with other high-income countries," noted Dr. Grinshteyn. "These results are consistent with the hypothesis that our firearms are killing us rather than protecting us.
Religion & Society / Re: The Immorality Of Christian Evangelism
« Last post by jaimehlers on Yesterday at 08:43:55 AM »
Put the blame where it properly belongs, with the religion which teaches that it's virtuous to convert people to its worship in any and all circumstances, even when they're at the end of their lives.

Most likely she was trying to make nice by saying that (you'll note she deleted the original comment and contacted him privately).  It's unfortunate that she doesn't realize just how badly it came across.  I doubt she was actually bragging about having converted his grandfather, or anything along those lines.
Is there some Christian myth going that Christians invented love, or love greater or better than anyone else?

Do they actually think that?
Running away, after taking the effort to respond to everyone at least once in the thread, sometimes twice. The questions won't stop, you know...I like to start over in new threads, sometimes with a break in-between.

Yes, MM, I know you like to start over in new threads, making the same baseless claims, and still being unable to show that your claims are true. I've see many Christians do exactly that, since they seem to think that if they run away from requests for evidence, refuse and then make the same claims, somehow this will magically make people forget that they have failed before.  In that vein, please do show where I supposed said I was so wonderful at picking out fiction and then being unable to show that this was the case. 

I have pointed out that the Christian claim that their god is "love" is nonsense, and it does not fulfill even the definition of love that it supposedly "inspired" in the bible.  love is supposedly *all* of those things in 1 Corinthians 13, not just the parts that you highlighted.  One wonders why you didn't highlight all of the verses or simply not highlighted any parts at all.   Can you explain that, MM? 

If love is all of these things, and your god is not, how does that work with the claims of Christianity?   
Religion & Society / Re: The Immorality Of Christian Evangelism
« Last post by eh! on Yesterday at 07:38:42 AM »
Horrid cow.
General Religious Discussion / Re: Theist-atheist dictionary
« Last post by The Gawd on Yesterday at 06:05:11 AM »
You send yourself to hell - "I cannot justify how a loving god would torture anyone for an eternity, but I am unwilling to admit it"
General Religious Discussion / Re: Theist-atheist dictionary
« Last post by kcrady on Yesterday at 03:21:15 AM »
Suggested redefinition of "Personal relationship with [deity]:"

Personal relationship with [deity]: 1) The act of reading a book and claiming that a deity character in the book is your "best Friend," "Father/Mother," "copilot," etc. while simultaneously having no expectation that the character will actually behave as any real "best friend," "father/mother," "copilot," etc. would.  2) Dodgy marketing term meant to make one's religion sound more awesome than reading about a character in a book.

A few proposed additions:

Sin: The conflation of a list of ordinary, harmless, and preferably ubiquitous human behaviors (such as sex, or eating certain foods) with the most heinous atrocities imaginable, so that a theist may define any man, woman, or child as Worse Than Hitler, and thus deserving of everlasting punishment for not adopting the theist's religion; Genocide is a sin, but so is masturbation, and both will land you in Hell if you don't worship our holy God.
Holy: Sadistic and vindictive, but in a way that's totally awesome; Hell exists because a holy God cannot countenance even a little sin, so repent now while you still can!

Morality: 1) A system of ethics that humans are expected to adhere to and deities are exempt from, in which deities are regarded as the epitome of moral perfection while humans are regarded as contemptible sinners deserving of everlasting torture.  2) The notion that a theist's particular religion owns the patent and trademark on all goodness and ethical behavior.

Devil, Demon, Evil Spirit: An imaginary enemy.
Enough for today. ;)
General Religious Discussion / Re: Theist-atheist dictionary
« Last post by One Above All on Yesterday at 03:17:22 AM »
Updated version of the Official Theist-Atheist Dictionary (OTAD).

Theist speak
MaterialisticBased on reality
AtheisticGeneric term for anything one or more atheists own[1], believe in[2], agree with[3], or an inconvenient truth that makes theists look bad[4]
Outside the universeUnsupported by evidence
Unbound by physical lawsIndistinguishable from physical laws (when applied to deities)
Supposed occurrence that is inherently unverifiable (when applied to events)
SBNRReligious, but in a way that mixes Eastern mysticism and new-age beliefs with generic christian beliefs
GodA supreme being whose values align perfectly with the theist's
DarwinianGeneric term for anything said by, believed in, or proposed by DarwinAlso applies to things that have a connection to the common misunderstanding of the phrase "survival of the fittest"
Micro evolutionEvolution we can observe with our own eyes in our limited lifetimesTheists often ignore basic mathematics by claiming only "micro evolution" has been observed, and thus "macro evolution" is nonscientific
Macro evolutionEvolution we can only observe and verify through indirect, yet reliable methods, such as: the fossil record, DNA, disease outbreaks, vaccines, and every application of biology known to humankind
NonscientificFacts that prove one or more religious beliefs to be wrong
Personal relationshipAn imaginary relationship based on emotional reactions in times of some stressThese emotional reactions are misattributed to a non-communicating, invisible, non-existent entity often called "God" (sic) and have no semblance to an actual relationship
Logical fallacyA minor error in the basis of an argument that does not invalidate it in any way
HealingFeeling better about the fact that one or one's loved one is still in a bad situation after praying to God for helpLike "personal relationship", "healing" has no semblance to actual healing
Test of faithBeing put in a bad situation after praying to God for help
MagicWhat every religion except the theist's is based on
False religionReligions different from the theist's
WooPseudo-science that uses complicated words to disguise its inherent falsityMost "woo" claims revolve around "energy" and cures for as-of-yet-incurable diseases like cancer and AIDS. More often than not, wooists incorporate conspiracy theories into their claims
Holistic medicineWoo that is indistinguishable from the placebo effectLike "personal relationship", "holistic medicine" has no semblance to actual medicine
 1. Atheistic idols.
 2. Atheistic beliefs.
 3. Atheistic dogma.
 4. Atheistic rumors.
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