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General Religious Discussion / Re: A question for theists
« Last post by Jag on February 18, 2017, 08:18:40 PM »
Religion is shit.
Far too often, yes.
 1. "...piece of shit cuk, beta male, casterated, impotent punk loser."

Ever notice how gendered insults are nearly always about about sexuality, or sexual performance, regardless of what prompted the insults? You don't need to have a penis to be a piece of shit, or a loser, but the rest of that list was very For Men Only. You do that a lot.
I'm going to interject something here.  Namely, accepting forced counseling won't keep abortion legal.  The people who are pushing things like forced counseling are not interested in keeping abortion legal in any way, shape, or form, and they never will be.  Forced counseling is intended solely as a barrier to women being able to get abortions.  It is part and parcel of an overall strategy being pursued by anti-abortion groups to restrict abortion as much as possible, since the courts have consistently ruled in favor of keeping abortion legal.

It is no different than mandatory waiting periods, requiring a woman to view an ultrasound, passing laws intended to criminalize doctors who perform abortions, or any of the other attempts to block women from getting abortions without, quite, making it illegal.  There have even been attempts at laws which would require a pregnant woman to get permission from the man who got her pregnant before she could have an abortion.

Accepting those kinds of things isn't anything resembling compromise or finding common ground, because the people pushing them won't ever be satisfied until they've blocked all legal means to get abortions.  Which doesn't mean they'll do anything about illegal abortions, except make it easier to prosecute women.  That's because they aren't motivated by concern over embryos in the first place, whatever crocodile tears they might shed for public consumption.

If they actually cared about the embryos, they would come up with ways to keep women from needing to have abortions in the first place, instead of trying to put roadblocks in the way to forcibly prevent a pregnant woman from having an abortion.  For example, we have the technology to provide long-duration contraception for both men and women.  That by itself would eliminate the vast majority of all abortions, simply by preventing women from getting pregnant to begin with.  But not only don't they push for effective solutions such as those, the same people working to make abortions illegal are also working to reduce access to other contraceptive methods.
General Religious Discussion / Re: A question for theists
« Last post by eh! on February 18, 2017, 04:56:21 PM »
If BS is saying that his love for god is greater than the love he has for his wife, kids, parents, siblings.... what a piece of shit cuk, beta male, casterated, impotent punk loser.

I mean that not to stir but to describe a man that puts his imagined  deity above his own real flesh and blood......and thinks it will score him points.

Religion is shit.
The Shelter / Re: Are there still atheists active on this board?
« Last post by Mr. Blackwell on February 18, 2017, 03:47:05 PM »
Welcome to the forum pisteou. The Shelter is a quiet place by design. I hope you enjoy your stay at WWGHA.

While I don't consider myself an atheist, some people do. I consider myself agnostic. That is to say, I no longer believe that the religion I grew up in is correct. In fact, I don't think any religion is correct. However, I don't disagree with churches that apply their teachings for the greater good in their respective communities. I believe Jesus was a real person who walked the earth and taught but I believe he was a human like me, just a little more religious and enlightened. I interpret his teachings a little differently than most people.

Here is a link to my intro thread to give you an idea of where I started from on this forum.,13845.msg306886.html#msg306886

As to whether or not there is some sort of creator god spirit force thingy that started this whole show...the jury is still out on that one but I still lean towards the idea that the universe and everything in it is a part of god. I believe you and I and everything in the universe is intrinsically connected.

You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. We're all part of the same compost heap. We're all singing, all dancing crap of the world.

Of coarse there is the very real possibility that there is no such thing as a creator and certainly scant evidence that such a creator actually cares about us on a personal level.

But that's just where I currently stand. Call it mild ambivalence. 

Anyway. I am not averse to a calm exchange of ideas concerning god or anything related to religion in general.
 1. Fight Club
General Religious Discussion / Re: Morals From God?
« Last post by wheels5894 on February 18, 2017, 02:41:34 PM »
I wonder is the difference between the Early Church as described in the NT and the various churches since is, ultimately, the act of one man.

Prior to Constantine, the church was small and persecuted and was, I suspect, short on money and assets and likely used people's houses for worship. Then, after Constantine's famous victory in 312CE, suddenly the bishop of Rome became a prince, with a fancy house and wearing purple, a colour previously reserved only for emperors. Suddenly, church leaders had standing in society and acquired status.... and money of course.

Ever since that time, churches (well, since the Reformation) have been happy to have lots of money, for the clergy to enjoy high status and, where possible, cast their influence over politics and education. I suspect that getting people to pay in lots of money is one way they get round the real job of following anything god is supposed to have said - after all, the clergy are there to deal with that!

How does that sound? Is Constantine to blame?
General Religious Discussion / Re: The Shelter Access
« Last post by pisteuo on February 18, 2017, 02:39:11 PM »
Thanks, Jetson, for giving me access.  While most of the threads are very old there, I'm hopeful there will be some good opportunities for interaction there as I get my feet wet in getting to know some members of this community.
The Shelter / Re: Are there still atheists active on this board?
« Last post by pisteuo on February 18, 2017, 02:30:03 PM »
Start a topic of a story or subject that is of interest to you for people to reply to and there may be some activity.

I did, that was the reason for this post  :)

Seriously, though, it's good to see there are some members active in this thread.  Even if it's just you and I, two makes a much more interesting conversation than one!
The Shelter / Re: Welcome to the Shelter Theist
« Last post by jetson on February 18, 2017, 02:29:39 PM »
Be patient, not all members can post here.
The Shelter / Re: Are there still atheists active on this board?
« Last post by LoriPinkAngel on February 18, 2017, 02:26:54 PM »
Start a topic of a story or subject that is of interest to you for people to reply to and there may be some activity.
The Shelter / Are there still atheists active on this board?
« Last post by pisteuo on February 18, 2017, 02:01:57 PM »
Seems most of the threads here are approaching 2+ years old.  Just curious if anyone still is interested in interacting here, or if this board has primarily been abandoned. 
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