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General Religious Discussion / Re: A god of foreskins??
« Last post by magicmiles 2.0 on June 19, 2018, 06:31:27 PM »
I agree that the human body has no such known capability. Yet, Jesus rose from the dead. What do you conclude?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A god of foreskins??
« Last post by One Above All on June 19, 2018, 06:27:05 PM »
Do you believe anyone has ever risen to life after being conclusively dead? If not, why not?

Nope. I believe they were misdiagnosed as "dead" due to faulty (or limited) medical equipment, and thus unable to "rise to life" because they were never dead to begin with. Science and its creations aren't perfect, and nobody claims otherwise.

But why do you believe that? Why isn't it possible that someone has actually been dead and then come back to life?

Because the human body has no such known capability. Give me a reason to believe otherwise - a real reason that goes beyond "you can't prove it doesn't" - and I won't be as certain.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A god of foreskins??
« Last post by magicmiles 2.0 on June 19, 2018, 06:22:49 PM »
Do you believe anyone has ever risen to life after being conclusively dead? If not, why not?

Nope. I believe they were misdiagnosed as "dead" due to faulty (or limited) medical equipment, and thus unable to "rise to life" because they were never dead to begin with. Science and its creations aren't perfect, and nobody claims otherwise.

But why do you believe that? Why isn't it possible that someone has actually been dead and then come back to life?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A god of foreskins??
« Last post by One Above All on June 19, 2018, 06:14:05 PM »
Do you believe anyone has ever risen to life after being conclusively dead? If not, why not?

Nope. I believe they were misdiagnosed as "dead" due to faulty (or limited) medical equipment, and thus unable to "rise to life" because they were never dead to begin with. Science and its creations aren't perfect, and nobody claims otherwise.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A god of foreskins??
« Last post by magicmiles 2.0 on June 19, 2018, 06:06:54 PM »
Do you believe anyone has ever risen to life after being conclusively dead? If not, why not?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A god of foreskins??
« Last post by One Above All on June 19, 2018, 05:50:17 PM »
OAA, are you suggesting that it can be factually established that the authors of any book of the bible deliberately 'made it up'?

No. I am asserting that it has already been factually established that the Bible was made up, deliberately or not. People who believe in the Bible simply refuse to acknowledge the blatant contradictions between a book that claims to be the perfect word of an omniscient deity, and reality.

It has definitely not been factually established that the Bible was made up, or isn't true. That is merely your opinion, reached through circular logic.

Yes, the circular logic that the book claiming to be the perfect word of an omniscient deity should match factual observations that are made in the real world, just as it claims it does. How could I have been so blind? /sarcasm

This comment of yours is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Theists refuse to accept reality; instead they hide behind their myths and rationalizations.

I can accept that 1000, 2000, hell, 5000 years ago, the books were decent approximations of reality, given the available evidence at the time. Nowadays, however, we know better. We know how to treat leprosy in a way that doesn't involve bird's blood. We know how to grow crops without offering up lambs as sacrifices. It's ridiculous that you believe otherwise, magicmiles. Time to grow up.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A god of foreskins??
« Last post by magicmiles 2.0 on June 19, 2018, 05:45:08 PM »
OAA, are you suggesting that it can be factually established that the authors of any book of the bible deliberately 'made it up'?

No. I am asserting that it has already been factually established that the Bible was made up, deliberately or not. People who believe in the Bible simply refuse to acknowledge the blatant contradictions between a book that claims to be the perfect word of an omniscient deity, and reality.

It has definitely not been factually established that the Bible was made up, or isn't true. That is merely your opinion, reached through circular logic.



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General Religious Discussion / Re: A god of foreskins??
« Last post by One Above All on June 19, 2018, 05:38:06 PM »
OAA, are you suggesting that it can be factually established that the authors of any book of the bible deliberately 'made it up'?

No. I am asserting that it has already been factually established that the Bible was made up, deliberately or not. People who believe in the Bible simply refuse to acknowledge the blatant contradictions between a book that claims to be the perfect word of an omniscient deity, and reality.

I'm also asserting that you have skin that's thinner than one Planck length, and that's saying something. Can't take a -1 without giving one back for any reason you can think of, am I right?
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Evolution & Creationism / Re: What am I missing here?
« Last post by shnozzola on June 19, 2018, 05:27:23 PM »
This is what I like.  I've linked to it many times. A discussion between physicist Steven Weinberg and Richard Dawkins.  I just love the whole discussion.  Start at 16 minutes for Dr. Wright discussing theories  about the big bang.  (open mind needed, not afraid of eternal damnation, etc........... :)  )



   My theory.  I've gotten to the point, after listening to these discussions, along with Lawrence Krauss theories, that it seems to me every galaxy that we see, thanks to the Hubble, is a universe.  We are just seeing these universes very early.  Each galaxy was born from a big bang.  As they expand, they have galaxies from inside having new big bangs, that will be viewed as galaxies from inside the expansion of the original galaxy, now viewed by "minds" as the universe.  Much of this comes from Laurence Krauss saying, in the distant future, mankind's view will be limited stars, since the universe stars will have moved away.  I disagree - the new "big bangs" keep forming stars and galaxies that "minds" will see.  It all keeps happening over and over and over without a need for a beginning.  We are just part of it, and thanks to evolution, able to think about it. 
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A god of foreskins??
« Last post by magicmiles 2.0 on June 19, 2018, 05:26:28 PM »
OAA, are you suggesting that it can be factually established that the authors of any book of the bible deliberately 'made it up'?
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