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Religion & Society / Re: List of Gods
« Last post by Death over Life on June 22, 2017, 09:28:42 PM »
Something regarding the Deities that neither Middle-Eastern theists nor atheists like to discuss is many of the Deities in the Pagan pantheon are actually the exact same Deities. The only real difference in many of the Pagan deities are simply their names only because of the language their name is spoken of. Take one example, the Finnish God of thunder/lightning Perkele. Taken straight from wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perkele

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The name is of Indo-European origin. Related gods from other areas are Perk?nas (Lithuania), P?rkons (Latvia), Percunis (Prussia), Piarun (Belarus), Peko or Pekolasõ (Estonia), Parjanya (India) and Perun or Piorun (Bulgaria, Croatia, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia).

And for an even more interesting correlation, if you translate the Deities' names into English, the word that they translate to is the "ability" that they are.

From this example of names Perun. In google, translate, Perun literally translates into either lightning, or thunderbolt. What is Perun the God of? The God of thunder and lightning of course!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perun

The results from Google translate:

Ukranian: ?????
English: lightning

2 more translations:
noun

lightning
?????????, ?????

thunderbolt
????????, ?????, ???? ?????????

So, many of these Deities weren't even made up. They were simply based on something legitimate and real and the names are simply the language that is used to desribe the reality at hand, like English is lightning, and Loki is Scandinavian/Germanic. Once you begin to see this, you will start to see that the pantheon of Deities are indeed real, just not the way Christians and Muslims and Jews see it. That being said, there is an interesting topic that Christianity is in fact a stolen form of Paganism.
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Introductions / Allow me to try this again a third time.
« Last post by Death over Life on June 22, 2017, 08:55:02 PM »
Hey everybody once again! To be honest, when I was last here, I raised some tensions and was a bit immature. In addition, I was assuming the forums would no longer exist because the forums would constantly crash and be down for days or even weeks at a time. I don't know if that has been fixed or not, but I am back a third time because I need to pick up where I left off.

For beginners, I genuinely apologize for my arrogance the previous time. I am glad that I did make that Donald Trump thread, but I apologize for that thread as well. I felt that the forum has been so sucked into the liberal/Democratic Party that I associated atheism with liberalism when I was an atheist. There are conservative atheists who are more conservative than right-wing Christians and they weren't being properly represented on these forums. I have realized the Truth about politics in that the Democrats and Republicans are the exact same in their agendas and that the ones who really own our government own both parties, so there will never be a political solution to the problems of our world. These people own the world and control everything in the world. Whether it is Dems, Repubs, or even terrorist groups like ISIS, (((they))) own it and use them as (((they))) see fit to use them.

And finally, you read that correctly, when I was an atheist. After realizing the Truth of what was going on in our world, I started to learn something that was more real to me than anything I had ever witnessed. The funny thing is, I NEVER witnessed atheists or theists discuss the concept of Deities in this way. Once I have finally understood these concepts and the reality behind them, I can no longer accept being an atheist. Don't worry, I still don't believe in that Judeo-Christian Islamic nonsense and never will! I have returned to myself and am now and forever more a Pagan! The specific branch of Paganism I am is described as an Odalist, stemming from the Nordic Rune Odal/Othala. There will be much more about this discussion later.

That being said, does Nam still post here? I have a wish to return to that argument we had because he deemed me a racist for calling Bernie Sanders a Jew while I called Trump a white person.

So, you will have a much better time with me this time around. I won't be the jerk I was, unless I need to be.

P.S. One of the reasons I am no longer an atheist is because I learned atheism is a tool (((they))) use to falsely make people think certain things so (((they))) can continue to destroy all life on Earth with little opposition because it's "politically incorrect".
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Chatter / Re: Why do old people hate young people?
« Last post by shnozzola on June 22, 2017, 04:03:38 PM »
I getting old enough, I can't remember if I hate young people or not.  What were the cut off years again?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Genesis 3:22
« Last post by Emma286 on June 22, 2017, 02:43:48 PM »
Nope!

And I didn't notice any mention of God seeking forgiveness from anyone or anything for flooding the Earth as a result of an apparent temper tantrum.  That was murder!
 
I guess God is above feeling remorse. Even if he did commit one of the major sins!

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Genesis 3:22
« Last post by stuffin on June 22, 2017, 01:54:48 PM »
I have the ability to judge, God gave it to me when he made me. We judge things all the time. Why not God? I know cause the bible says.

I guess free will is not in play when it comes to judging God?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Genesis 3:22
« Last post by Emma286 on June 22, 2017, 01:32:33 PM »
It also most definitely amounts to emotional blackmail.

Yes! That's it! Emotional blackmail. Emotional manipulation. Being led to feel guilty for feeling anger or resentment towards a certain person, even if those emotions are completely reasonable.

I agree with your summaries.

bty, "xian" is just shorthand for "christian." In greek, the X stands for "Christ." You might recognize it from X-mas. I just get lazy.

I didn't long look that word up and got a different definition! Guess there's more than one. Thanks for confirming!
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Genesis 3:22
« Last post by albeto on June 22, 2017, 01:18:44 PM »
It also most definitely amounts to emotional blackmail.

Yes! That's it! Emotional blackmail. Emotional manipulation. Being led to feel guilty for feeling anger or resentment towards a certain person, even if those emotions are completely reasonable.

I agree with your summaries.

bty, "xian" is just shorthand for "christian." In greek, the X stands for "Christ." You might recognize it from X-mas. I just get lazy.
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Chatter / Re: Why do old people hate young people?
« Last post by Emma286 on June 22, 2017, 01:15:36 PM »
One, are you just referring to old people who are citizens of your country?
Nope.

Fair enough.

Wondering if this could be down to some cultural thing I wasn't aware of before...
Nope. It's an age thing. Old people think age automatically confers them certain rights and get upset when you don't behave the way they expect.

I am sorry that this is your experience of them.

Or is it in the least bit possible that you could have (at least sometimes) have misinterpreted their responses? Every person, to my knowledge, does this at times. While it's my guess that you probably don't do this so often as some others, you are still a human and so that's why I ask:

Of course it's possible. I'm not perfect. However, I don't think "I used to be like you too, but then I grew up" or "You'll change your mind when you're older" or "You're too young to know what you want/like/need" or "It's just a phase. You'll grow out of it" or "Youth is wasted on the young"[1] leaves much room for interpretation. These are common condescending and arrogant statements made by old people directed at young people.
 1. This, to me, is one of the worst statements made by old people. It's literally saying young people don't deserve to be young.

Can't help being curious on this. Is it old people who have been this way with you in regards to wanting kids?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_distortion

This is a possibility, yes. I don't have a notepad where I take note of interactions with people and their respective ages, and human memory is remarkably fallible. However, it's also all I have to go on.

Fair points. Maybe it'd help if, as a general thing, you deliberately made an experiment out of undertaking interactions with new elderly people and making it a point to look out for positive things about them as well as the bad? You might well find yourself surprised at what you pick up on. Of course you don't have to if you really don't want to. Just thought I'd mention that as an idea anyways.

As you say, human memory is remarkably fallible. Therefore, it's not always the best idea to treat it as a reliable source of information!

Surely it's how they are the majority of the time that counts more here!

9 good interactions don't make the 1 bad one suck any less, and it doesn't mean that person is not kind of a dick.

Not saying those things! What I'm getting at, is that the general picture (in such an instance type) objectively wouldn't be all that bad. It might well seem it after that 1 bad interaction! But that wouldn't mean that it actually is! That's how mental filtering works. The negative can make much more of an impression on the mind than the positive, but that doesn't mean that the positive doesn't exist!
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Genesis 3:22
« Last post by Emma286 on June 22, 2017, 12:26:25 PM »
Not sure that I believe that every Xian is like that! But certainly suspect that a number of them most likely are! :-)

I get that hanging on to past trauma is not good for one's mental and physical well-being, but as you say, one can learn to move on and not hang on to that past trauma without feeling like those traumatic behaviors were forgiven. Being manipulated into feeling guilty enough to forgive someone is just abusive, imo, and forgiveness is an integral part of xianity. At one point Jesus says you will be forgiven by god only if you forgive others (Matthew 6:14). Forgiveness isn't only good for the soul metaphorically according to the bible, it's necessary for salvation.


Yeah, I hate that whole kind of thing relating to Christianity. I suspect it's most likely the same kind of thing, at times, with the Islam religion (though I've read hardly anything of the Quran). I certainly do agree that this is abusive (as it's disrespecting/ignoring people's right to make their own choice regarding forgiveness). It also most definitely amounts to emotional blackmail.

Another person who is as much their own worst enemy as anyone else's imo. I get the idea that verbally/emotionally abusive people often are.

I don't doubt it. I sometimes feel conflicted when I try and understand the impulses that influenced a person to do what they did. So much of their own behaviors can be results of trauma, but at the end of the day, we shouldn't be compelled to forgive someone we cannot or do not want to forgive. The xian religion not only attempts to emotionally manipulate a person to change their mind (emotions), but hangs a threat over their head of eternal damnation if they don't.
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I know what you mean (I think) about feeling conflicted when trying to understand the motivation for someone else's actions. I agree, it certainly can be that so much of their own behaviours can be results of trauma. I do tend to feel very sorry for those to whom that applies. They were undeniably once genuine victims themselves and were forced to suffer a lot of undeserved pain. If they have turned into abusers but feel genuine remorse over what they do/genuinely wish to change/are taking actions to try to change, then I personally think that they deserve to be forgiven. However, I also see that when they've turned into people who really couldn't care less about what harm they inflict on others, then I see that's totally different. Of course, that's just me though.

And yup, again totally agreeing that nobody should be coerced/forced into the decision of forgiving someone they can't or don't want to forgive.

Have to admit I don't know hardly anything about the Xian religion! Is this pretty similar to Christianity?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Genesis 3:22
« Last post by wheels5894 on June 22, 2017, 12:20:29 PM »
I thinnk we should add to the assumptions that the bible is completely true and the work work of this 'existing god' as, of course, the only information to be had about this god comes from the bible itself.
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