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General Religious Discussion / Re: JW visited
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 11:54:57 AM »
What is your evidence that the religion is not dying? Remember, you have to explain what a non-dying religion would look like.

I didn't make a claim. OAA did.

The numbers I had posted in our previous discussion about the subject showed the same number of people who join every year - without taking into account people who leave. However, given that the Earth's population is increasing exponentially, this means that the percentage of people who join (compared to the general population) is dropping rapidly. Soon, your religion will become more irrelevant than it already is. EDIT: Your claim was then that my numbers were wrong and yours were right. You have yet to support that claim. Another smite for you for being dishonest.

Don't forget the people they shun.

-Nam
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A weakening of faith
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 11:50:26 AM »
This was pointed out to me the other day:

In the old Bibles the Christians are still waiting for Jesus to return any day, as he promised he would do nearly 2,000 years ago:

    Revelation 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. (KJV)

. . . but it seems that nowadays they have given up hope:

    Revelation 11:17 singing, "We give you thanks, Lord God Almighty, who are and who were, for you have taken your great power and begun to reign. (NRSV)

See...they change the Bible to mean what they want. I had a topic, somewhere, on this once.

-Nam
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A weakening of faith
« Last post by ParkingPlaces on Yesterday at 11:12:13 AM »
Sometimes you have to roll with the lack of punches.
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General Religious Discussion / A weakening of faith
« Last post by Graybeard on Yesterday at 10:37:25 AM »
This was pointed out to me the other day:

In the old Bibles the Christians are still waiting for Jesus to return any day, as he promised he would do nearly 2,000 years ago:

    Revelation 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. (KJV)

. . . but it seems that nowadays they have given up hope:

    Revelation 11:17 singing, "We give you thanks, Lord God Almighty, who are and who were, for you have taken your great power and begun to reign. (NRSV)
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Religion In The News / Re: A failed resurrection
« Last post by G-Roll on Yesterday at 10:10:15 AM »
He should not have been arrested.  According to the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby decision, he was just following his sincere religious beliefs.

That only applies to the one true religion (christianity).

Because those Christers know that human sacrifice is unnecessary and just plain crazy. After all they would never place killing a human being at the corner stone of their religion.

I do have a question about this sliver of the post Natlegend supplied. I do admit that I didn’t read the article because it's just to fucking crazy. It's not even 10am on a Sunday morning and I just can't deal with this level of insanity right now... that said...
How is this guy a father of 6? He volunteered to have his throat sliced open so some other nut could resurrect him!? Is confidence really that sexy? Did his wife not figure out in the time required to give birth to six kids that her husband just might be crazy? Maybe she doesn’t want to keep having his babies and entangle their lives closer together?
I assume this was carried out in some dark basement in secrecy. Not some heavily advertised event. And that is why he was arrested afterwards and this horror show wasn’t stopped. Or at least I hope so, perhaps I am an optimist.
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Religion In The News / Re: A failed resurrection
« Last post by One Above All on Yesterday at 07:12:10 AM »
He should not have been arrested.  According to the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby decision, he was just following his sincere religious beliefs.

That only applies to the one true religion (christianity).
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Religion In The News / Re: A failed resurrection
« Last post by Nick on Yesterday at 07:07:50 AM »
He should not have been arrested.  According to the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby decision, he was just following his sincere religious beliefs.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Hell and the end of life
« Last post by One Above All on Yesterday at 06:24:07 AM »
That does not even make sense.

Wasn't it your god's plan all along to sacrifice himself to himself for whatever reason? If so, and if you were in Judas's place, you would have effectively stopped that plan. You would have gone up against your god's plan, like another character I know. His name is Lucifer (according to your religion; not the Bible, though).
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You don't speak for everyone.

In this case, I can and do. No matter what you believe, the truth is something different. Absolute morality, by definition, cannot exist.

But what you're describing doesn't sound like a "right" but rather a subjective privelege.

So... a right.
What we commonly refer to as "rights" are simply what you called "subjective privileges". There are no absolutes in morality, although we have been headed toward more free societies for a long time.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: JW visited
« Last post by One Above All on Yesterday at 06:17:42 AM »
What is your evidence that the religion is not dying? Remember, you have to explain what a non-dying religion would look like.

I didn't make a claim. OAA did.

The numbers I had posted in our previous discussion about the subject showed the same number of people who join every year - without taking into account people who leave. However, given that the Earth's population is increasing exponentially, this means that the percentage of people who join (compared to the general population) is dropping rapidly. Soon, your religion will become more irrelevant than it already is. EDIT: Your claim was then that my numbers were wrong and yours were right. You have yet to support that claim. Another smite for you for being dishonest.
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