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Religion In The News / Re: Michelle Bachmann - still bonkers
« Last post by Nick on Yesterday at 04:47:26 PM »
No politician in Australia would dare carry on about their god like that; they'd be made a laughing stock.
No doubt.  Can we move there?
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Evolution & Creationism / Re: Young earth must be right
« Last post by skeptic54768 on Yesterday at 04:39:26 PM »
I don't know if Hovind used the Bible to determine this but according to him it rained for 40 days and 40 nights but the waters from the deep kept flowing for for 150+ days.  I don't know if this is stated in the bible or not.  So water may have risen as slowly as 40 meters per day.  Only about 1 foot per hour.
Hovind is an idiot who apparently can't even read his own Bible.

According to the original Jewish writings in the Torah[1], YHWH stopped the actual flooding after 40 days and 40 nights, but the waters stayed where they were for 110 more days, for a total of 150 days.  Then they (slowly) started draining for several more months.  According to the telling, the flood started in Noah's 600th year, on the 17th day of the 2nd month, while the ark got caught on Ararat on the 17th day of the 7th month[2], and the floodwaters had receded enough to see the tops of the mountains on the 1st day of the 10th month[3].  There was no standing water left by the 1st day of the 1st month of the following year, and the earth had finished drying on the 27th day of the 2nd month[4].

Since the narrative specifically mentions Ararat, which is about 5137 meters (16854 feet) above sea level, that gives us a figure for how high the flood actually rose, 5144 meters or 16876 feet.  If we assume that the sea level before and after the flood was roughly the same, that means the floodwaters rose more than 5000 meters in 40 days, or 960 hours.  If you divide 5144 by 960, you get 5.35 meters/hour[5].  If you divide 16876 by 960, you get about 17.58 feet/hour, which amounts to roughly a foot every 3.4 minutes.

I have no disagreement with the rest of your post, I just wanted to show that Hovind is full of hot air - and possibly other things too.  Not that we needed my post to show that.
 1. http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0107.htm and http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0108.htm
 2. since the days of the Jewish months correspond to the lunar cycle, that's 150 days, when the waters began to recede
 3. thus, we can measure the rate of recession, since it took 84 days for the waters to recede 15 cubits, or 22 feet; that's approximately a foot every 4 days); at that rate, it would have taken 67416 days, 184 years for the waters to recede to the current sea level
 4. note that this is from Noah's perspective, and he hadn't left the ark in all that time
 5. which, oddly enough, is very close to what I said before, so my earlier calculations were apparently about half what they should have been, since I based them on the assumption of the floodwaters rising to 10,000 meters

Forget about Hovind for a minute.

If God is real and God is all-powerful, can God NOT make it rain a foot every 3.4 minutes?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: How would you protect you children?
« Last post by Jstwebbrowsing on Yesterday at 04:33:06 PM »
first  bold, you know this how?

Because Jehovah is faithful.  He does not make up his mind and then change it.

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second bold...so god lacks free will to make choices?

No.  He just does not go back on his purposes. 

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I like the "why would he part", lol.

Yeah, it silly to think he would cheat his own self, isn't it.  Why would he say he's going to do "X" and then do "Y"?

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oh and you keep referring to god as "he"

Why do you ask questions that you already know the answers to?   

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Religion In The News / Re: Michelle Bachmann - still bonkers
« Last post by natlegend on Yesterday at 04:30:17 PM »
No politician in Australia would dare carry on about their god like that; they'd be made a laughing stock.
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Chatter / Re: My Free Speech Is Good Yours Is Not
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 04:29:41 PM »
Quote from: Mr. Blackwell
I am not convinced that she did what she did because the students were black.

I didn't say she did, if I said anything it was she was being a hypocrite. However, I inserted commentary that it was racist based on a generalisation of the situation based on these things:

The whole point of the protest at the college was the students there were protesting against racism.

Quote from: Washington Post
Police in Georgia arrested a U.S. veteran on Friday after she took an American flag away from students who were trampling it. Michelle Manhart, a former Air Force staff sergeant who left the military after posing nude for Playboy, took the flag from a group of African American students at Valdosta State University who were demonstrating against racism.

Manhart, who is white, was handcuffed but has not been charged with a crime.

Quote from: Washington Post
“This flag belongs to the entire United States,” Manhart says on camera while clutching the stars and stripes.

If you are white. It was their flag. They owned that particular flag. She took it away from them and said it wasn't theirs. They had no right to exercise THEIR freedom of speech.

Yet, twice she used it to pose nude in photos. She can "defame" the flag but they can't. Why?

You really have to ask?

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“Is that not theft?” a student says moments later. “I swear to God, if this had been in the ‘hood, you’d have had me in handcuffs already.” …

Yes, it is theft. If a black person did that to a white person they'd probably shoot them if recent news is any indication. A white person does it, well, that's okay.

Now, she was arrested but not for theft but for resisting arrest...and then let go.



-Nam
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General Religious Discussion / Re: How would you protect you children?
« Last post by eh! on Yesterday at 04:27:48 PM »

Do you not know the scriptures?  Jehovah has established a kingdom.  With this kingdom, the problems of mankind will be solved.


Care you prove these claims?


can you prove these claims?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Will a Christian explain freewill to me
« Last post by natlegend on Yesterday at 04:24:35 PM »
Hello Jst, can you please give me an example of a person performing an action in a universe with no freewill? Thanks.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: How would you protect you children?
« Last post by Jstwebbrowsing on Yesterday at 04:24:01 PM »
What do you do to quell the suffering.....?

Why do you ask?  Are you going to take my word for it?

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What does your God do

Do you not know the scriptures?  Jehovah has established a kingdom.  With this kingdom, the problems of mankind will be solved.

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easy in your middle class existence to love a deity who has to do NOTHING for you isn't it.

Care you prove these claims?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: How would you protect you children?
« Last post by eh! on Yesterday at 04:07:48 PM »

I'm telling you that God cannot go against his own will and that's what you're trying to do.  If God determines to make free willed creatures then that's what he must do. He can't somehow cheat his own will.  Why would he?



first  bold, you know this how?

second bold...so god lacks free will to make choices?

I like the "why would he part", lol.

oh and you keep referring to god as "he" - it has a shlong?

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