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General Religious Discussion / Re: Things To Ponder…. #3
« Last post by Defiance on Today at 07:44:31 AM »
Why do you have to say thanks to god? He already knows you're thankful. There's no need to reconnect with god, because he's always with you, right?

Because of God's all powerfulness and omni attributes, prayer is equally worthless; a god with a plan doesn't get influenced by any requests. Unless, he made the plan to specifically make you pray on the certain time, day, etc., which then is meaningless, because really, HE made you pray, because he planned it that way.

THE only way to live if an all whatever being exists, is to go on as if he doesn't exist. He doesn't care that you acknowledge him.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Things To Ponder…. #3
« Last post by OldChurchGuy on Today at 07:29:46 AM »
You raise very good questions and I cannot even begin to give any kind of definitive answer.

Does the word 'worship' at all apply to your relationship with/view of god?

Yes.

Wondering where this will go I remain,
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Three followup questions:
1) Do you think you could define or explain what 'worship' is?

Per Webster's dictionary: "he act of showing respect and love for a god especially by praying with other people who believe in the same god : the act of worshiping God or a god"  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/worship

I will go with that definition.

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2) Do you think you could express why you worship?

Believe it or not, I have given this much thought over the years.  Sociologists have theorized it is a way for people of similar mindsets to socialize comfortably.  No way I can prove or disprove that idea.  I know there are people I enjoy seeing and visiting with each Sunday.  Can't think of anyone I don't enjoy seeing.  Granted, there are some I know better than others. 

For me, worship is a way of (A) saying thanks to God; and (B) reconnecting with God.  Not sure how else to explain it.

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3) Is there anything else, whatsoever, in your life that you worship?

Based on the answers to 1 & 2, nothing comes to mind.  I won't discount the notion I am deluding myself, but I don't think I am.

As always,

OldChurchGuy

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Things To Ponder…. #3
« Last post by jdawg70 on Today at 07:12:59 AM »
You raise very good questions and I cannot even begin to give any kind of definitive answer.

Does the word 'worship' at all apply to your relationship with/view of god?

Yes.

Wondering where this will go I remain,

Three followup questions:
1) Do you think you could define or explain what 'worship' is?
2) Do you think you could express why you worship?
3) Is there anything else, whatsoever, in your life that you worship?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Things To Ponder…. #3
« Last post by OldChurchGuy on Today at 07:09:47 AM »
You raise very good questions and I cannot even begin to give any kind of definitive answer.

Does the word 'worship' at all apply to your relationship with/view of god?

Yes.

Wondering where this will go I remain,

OldChurchGuy
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Things To Ponder…. #3
« Last post by jdawg70 on Today at 07:07:04 AM »
You raise very good questions and I cannot even begin to give any kind of definitive answer.

Does the word 'worship' at all apply to your relationship with/view of god?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: The unbelievers
« Last post by Graybeard on Today at 07:02:59 AM »


The faithful followers are given more responsibility, not big houses.

If that is your only objection, you agree that Jesus will kill billions.  (I bet you will be there saying, "I told you so.")
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Four pages and nothing worth having in definitions? I'm shocked! I would have thought the Christians would have found this a simple task but apparently not.

Surely, if we are looking for a definition of a god, we ought to include the things that religious people hold to be important like

1. A being that is conscious
2. A being that responds to prayer
3. A being that oversee the universe - making sure it does what it is supposed to.
4. A being that has the power to communicate its will to individuals on earth (and on any other planet that has sentient beings like us, of course!)

It follows such a being cannot be living within this universe but must exist outwith the universe[1]. I know this is not imaginable by us as everything we know is within the universe but there is nowhere else for this being to exist. So would any theist like to fill in the gaps a bit and make this into something of a definition or is it up to atheists to define the non-existent gods?
 1. This is because, if he created the universe, he must have existed somewhere that isn't out universe and remains there now.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Things To Ponder…. #3
« Last post by Graybeard on Today at 06:56:14 AM »
Let’s assume there is some Supreme Being God for argument’s sake. Why should be necessarily worship it?
This boils down to the master-servant relationship based on a creation in which our fates were decided by gods.

Yahweh does not differ from other gods in this respect, He merely is more open in His admissions.

Yahweh produces a strict hierarchy of obedience:

1.   All life obeys men and women[1]
2.   All wives obey their husbands[2]
3.   All men obey authority[3]
4.   All authorities must obey Yahweh or suffer the consequences[4]

We can thus see that the Christian (and anyone else who believes in gods) has the same relationship with Yahweh as we have with a dog, although, usually, the dog is treated better and receives genuine help and reward in this world.

If you wonder why some people suffer, then you need to look at

Joh:9:1: And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh:9:2: And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh:9:3: Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
[5]

This is the final reason given as to why a master does anything to his servant:  “It is a demonstration of power in order to keep the rest in line and obedient by example.”

We are to love Yahweh because he has set up this system and He is pure wisdom.

This is what the religious, of all shades, sign up to, although they are never told this at the beginning.
 1. Ge:1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
 2. Eph:5:23: For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
 3.  Col:3:22: Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God: Ti:3:1: Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
 4.  Heb:13:17: Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
 5. If an atheist learn no other verses of the Bible, I suggest they learn these as it summarises our relationship with the Bronze Age god, Yahweh.
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*tumbleweed*
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