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That's just one of many genocides over a 300 year period.....and most perpetrated by those who called themselves Christians
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That's not true. JWs share the same beliefs across the globe.
For the antitheists here, it is up to you what you are. I'm not telling you what to be. I only ask that you own up to what you are and not try to hide behind the term "atheist". You affect the reputation of atheists.
Again, is there a problem with identifying as both. Are you claiming an anti theist shouldn't identify an atheist?
They are not the same. One lacks belief. The other rejects belief and wants others to do the same.
You never did address the bolded part. People can reasonably identify as things that are not the same, so long as they don't contradict.
By the definition you give in brief here, one would have to be an atheist in order to be an anti-theist. So what's the problem?
Thing is how often do hear the Lord's Prayer? I never at church heard it much less prayed it.Catholics include it too.
When I look at things in the Bible I look at them from the perspective of the good reputation that God has personally made with me and those around me. I think this is a more reliable method of determining the type of person God is because I am not left with blanks that you find in the historical record. To me, the best way to know the type of person that someone is is to know them personally.
All of these "atheist" arguments about the character of God are wrapped in "ifs, ands, and buts". "What if" the Egyptians were good people? "But" God could have done something else instead. It goes on and on and on. None of them are based on knowing the facts and they all contain a bias against any reasoning provided in the scriptures. It's as if anything could be true except what's actually recorded. To hear an "atheist" tell it, God flooded an earth full of righteous people. Israel's enemies were just innocent victims. The Egyptians didn't deserve punishment. Disguised in all of this is the arrogant premise that they know who should and shouldn't be punished and that they know the solution to the ailments of mankind's problems. They are setting themselves up as the judge of what is right and what is wrong, nevermind that thousands of years of human rulership have passed and we're still struggling with just the basic necessities of life.
Yet, while they revile God for interfering in the past, they turn and revile him for not interfereing now. While they think it is right to punish wrongdoing, it is wrong for God to do so, again as if they are the judge of what is right and wrong. While they think it is right to protect their children, it is wrong for God to do so. However, when you press them on what is right and wrong you'll get the answer, "it's subjective". Of course that's only as long as you're not talking about God. If you're talking about God then it's wrong.
What I have noted, is that at least a large group of internet atheists ,is that they are not atheists. They are antitheists. An atheist is one that "lacks a belief in gods". I've met some in my life. They are different than antitheists. Having a "lack of belief in gods" does not motivate one to spend their time reviling the character of God, actively trying to get people to disblieve in God, ridiculing believers because they believe in God, and cherry picking the scriptures. That fits the defintion of an "antitheist" which is one that is "opposed to belief in the existence of a god".
Those of you that do such things should really stop hiding behind the term "atheist". You hide behind simply "lacking a belief in god", but that's not really true. You do not just simply lack a belief in gods. You actively oppose belief in gods, making you an antitheist.
Are any of you here actually atheist?
To nogods last post, that leads to a question. Why would a benevolent god, with omni- characteristics allow PsOS like Falwell to use His Name to take advantage of poor people who are in genuine need of real help? There's a whole barrel of worms waiting to be explored in that question. Does it merit a thread of its own?
I don't get it. Will one of our theist members come hand-wave this away for me, so I can try to figure out why you don't wonder these things yourself?
1. excluding CD, who keeps demonstrating sincere curiosity, and a willingness to think about her beliefs