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I just don't like debating liars. If I can, I avoid debating things they will lie about, such as theists lying about religious-themed things. Unless I feel like debating them on those subjects, for shits and giggles. Then I do so.

well that's great, because i didn't lie about anything.  and when i put quotation marks around "those people" how do you know i wasn't referring to "those people" in a derogatory manner...?  because the truth is, i kinda was.  and when you say "avoid debating things they will lie about, such as theists lying about religious-themed things." - i have no fucking idea what you're talking about.  but i think people should question their belief or non-belief, question everything all the time.
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for me, given humanities infantile knowledge and understanding of the universe and our existence, i'll give it a solid "maybe"...?

so you’re basically saying that a dead unintelligent universe, by sheer random chance, bears intelligent life… and this intelligent life it bears is in the universe, completely and totally comprised of the universe, but completely different, unique and separate from the universe.  GOT IT!

Just because your knowledge is infantile, don't assume that everyone is at the same level of ignorance as you. One thing I hear from theists all the time is that a god created regular laws of the universe which proves he exists. The next minute I hear the same theists say that life could not evolve on its own because the universe works by random chance. Make up your mind.

If you don't know the answer, just say so and I will help you out a little.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Probabilities of God's existence debate
« Last post by Defiance on Yesterday at 04:15:11 PM »
Here we go again^

Time to unfollow this thread.
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Lukvance, is the existence of the universe itself a miracle?
I don't know.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why [God] made me with a fallible brain?
« Last post by Lukvance on Yesterday at 04:11:22 PM »
Why did eve said to the serpent "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ”?

I don't seem to be able to have a clear answer to that question.
Why did she quote that exact phrase from God and not another phrase?
Why did she talk back to the serpent and not to another creature? Or simply not talk?
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Lukvance, is the existence of the universe itself a miracle?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Probabilities of God's existence debate
« Last post by Lukvance on Yesterday at 04:06:22 PM »
Hey frank,
Do you believe that Love exist?
Do you have proof for the existence of Love that wouldn't apply to God?
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According to your logic, wouldn't proof of another reason just show that the miracle in question was just never a miracle to begin with?
Yes. And that's a huge deal.
Could you imagine another reason for one of the readings of the Higgs Boson than the higgs boson? It would create a chain reaction, each other instance where the Higgs Boson could have been measured would have to be measured again with the new reason you bring up.

Are you saying that in order for you to not believe that "God" was the cause, we have to have evidence or proof that something else was the cause?
Not exactly, I am saying that if you have that proof, it will help. I'm not sure what the future holds.
But, contrary to most of you, I know what need to be presented so I start to believe you over me. I have examples of what I need.
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i'm sorry, you'll have to show me where i objected to your use of "those people"...

It was heavily implied by your use of quotes in this post and the other one, as well as your claim that I knew who "those people" were.

and i'm one of "them"...?  what are you in the fifth grade...?

Yeah. "Them" as in the people whose definition of "god" you posted here and I addressed. I'm starting to think you're in fifth grade, since you don't seem to understand basic English.

i didn't lie about anything or position myself one way or another.

You don't have to position yourself anywhere. Reality will do that for you. As for lying, I have fairly conclusive evidence. If you weren't lying about that, you're still almost certainly a troll, based on your posting history.

if you feel it's necessary to "label" someone - like are you an atheist, or a theist, or agnostic, or perhaps you subscribe to pantheism or polytheism, blah, blah, blah, then you're forming preconceived opinions about someone before you really even know them, hence your accusation.

...Yes, my "need" to apply labels to people when it comes to things where labels are applicable is just a cover for my preconceived notions. It can't be that, sometimes, labels are useful.
Also, there's no such thing as an "agnostic". The term is meaningless by itself.

but in an effort to shed a little light on what appears as you struggling to identify what flavor i am... do i believe? sometime yes, sometimes no... it's about 50/50.

Bipolar, MPD, or just haven't made up your mind? Serious question, by the way.

but if you want to silence the debate... so be it.

I just don't like debating liars. If I can, I avoid debating things they will lie about, such as theists lying about religious-themed things. Unless I feel like debating them on those subjects, for shits and giggles. Then I do so.
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so you’re basically saying that a dead unintelligent universe, by sheer random chance, bears intelligent life… and this intelligent life it bears is in the universe, completely and totally comprised of the universe, but completely different, unique and separate from the universe.  GOT IT!

I think I now understand your objection to my use of "those people": you're one of them. I don't like liars. This exchange is over.

i'm sorry, you'll have to show me where i objected to your use of "those people"... and i'm one of "them"...?  what are you in the fifth grade...?  i didn't lie about anything or position myself one way or another.  if you feel it's necessary to "label" someone - like are you an atheist, or a theist, or agnostic, or perhaps you subscribe to pantheism or polytheism, blah, blah, blah, then you're forming preconceived opinions about someone before you really even know them, hence your accusation.  but in an effort to shed a little light on what appears as you struggling to identify what flavor i am... do i believe? sometime yes, sometimes no... it's about 50/50.  but if you want to silence the debate... so be it.

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