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General Religious Discussion / A guy walks into a bank.
« Last post by YRM_DM on Today at 09:34:39 AM »
I had a check that I needed split into several accounts and partly cashed, so, I just walked it into my local bank to do the splitting-up.

There was a guy in line with a cane and a big ball-cap covered in a JESUS slogan who was, in a friendly-but-socially-awkward way conducting a never ending conversation with the bank teller.   He was talking about his wife who'd passed, and his health problems (had a cane).

He was talking to the bank teller about his giant coffee can of coins and how much he'd hate to roll them all but he wanted to cash them.   In the time it took him to tell this story, he could have rolled half of them.   Waiting in line, I interjected, "The store right across from us has a CoinStar that converts to Amazon Gift Cards."   He said, "They don't give you 1-1 for your money."   I said, "If you get a gift card, it does, and you can get anything you need on Amazon."

Sensing his chance, he bursts out, "Jesus gives me all I need!   I don't need ANYTHING else but Jesus."

I didn't want to point out that he was lacking health, his wife, social skills, and any friends, because he is old and maybe clinging desperately to his delusions.

So instead I said, "Well, cash in all your coins for an Amazon Gift Card, then donate it to your church."

He literally throws up a hand and says, "I wouldn't go that far.   I'll keep the gift card for myself."

He chuckles and repeats it, then ambles out the door, trying to assault one of the VPs with a new string of conversation about some other thing.  (I wonder what it'll be like to be that bored again, where I'm not always in a hurry to get to the next family or work event on my schedule.)

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I just find it so ironic that after feeling so "moved by the spirit" to proclaim boldly that Jesus gives him "all he needs" in correction to my assertion that you can buy anything you need on Amazon... he was completely unwilling to even consider donating the gift card to people who might need it more.

Since he needs the Amazon Gift Card so bad, I wonder exactly what it is that Jesus gives him.   Maybe I should have asked, but, again, I try not to mess with the elderly.   He's paid enough of a price, he doesn't need some atheist messing with his critical delusions.
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I agree with Crystal Dragon that it's kind of sad that, say... Einstein wouldn't get to experience working with super computers... or Copernicus would never see a 3D animation of the solar system, or watch video of us landing on the moon.

I'd love to see humans colonize other planets, or holographic TVs, or whatever amazing things will come next.   I'd love for my great-great-great-grandchildren (assuming I have any) to think I was a good father, instead of just being a name in a photo book if I'm lucky.

I wish this wasn't the case and that our DNA wasn't set to get all wonky and have an expiration date.

Still, nothingness is preferable to judgment day and an eternal worship service... but if I thought judgment day and eternal worship service was a "true" thing, I'd find some way to adjust my life accordingly.   I'm still not sure if I'd worship God if it's the same one who orders genocides and baby killings in the Bible, but, I'd adjust my actions to fit reality.

CD - I did try to answer your questions about Aquinas 5 points for God... point by point, in another post.    It took a little while so, if you get a chance, let me know where I went wrong.
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Chatter / Re: EU Referendum
« Last post by Nick on Today at 09:19:21 AM »
It is bad.  EU unity makes it a powerful economic force against the US and Far East.  EU put pressure on Russia...now Russia can manipulate break away nations.  Europe stability (WW1 & 2) was a result of the EU.  UK is not big enough to have a strong economy by itself.   South Korea is nor stronger than England economically.  It pits people against each other and worse of all gives the group who killed the politician in the street over there a win.  And Trump likes it and wants to do that here.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Church sign
« Last post by YouCantHandleTheTruth on Today at 09:17:54 AM »
Wasn't there a recent study correlating education levels with religiosity? I do realize there are very intelligent people who still have "faith", but I think they are rare. I think that many of them prefer to "go along" rather than come out as non-believers or doubters. I get that.

I don't understand the mind of a strong believer. I don't understand how a mind can become so entrenched in something so obviously non-existent? Perhaps that is the key? A thing that has never been demonstrated to actually exist, can continue to be considered a possibility? We can't prove that a thing does not exist, so it gets the benefit of the doubt because someone wrote about it.

How about our tendency to be superstitious?  When I'm crossing a crosswalk and the time is counting down, I still look away when it gets to 13.  I still try to catch the white floaties from dandelions for good luck.  If my favorite wins a big playoff game, I'll wear the same clothes (ok new underwear) for the next game.  These superstitious tendencies stay with me.  Do most of us have those same little idiosyncrasies?  Maybe that's why people have trouble letting go of religion too.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: faith and bacon
« Last post by Defiance on Today at 09:12:57 AM »
Chicken is the supreme meat master. Don't commit heresy, or he'll peck your eyes out at night.
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This seems to be the sticking point, the part I bolded. There will be no experience of "experiencing nothing".


Even though I know that "experiencing nothing" is just that—nothing—there's something that still unnerves me about it.  Maybe it's because I focus on my conscious mind so much that I have trouble imagining just not being aware of anything.  I know that may not make that much sense, but that's the way I can think of to put it right now.

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Believe it or not, I think this is an entirely different topic. This is a matter of risk assessment. I think you are mistaking our acceptance of life as a singular experience for lack of fear of dying. I don't think that's the case.

Let's reverse the question. Does your belief in an afterlife make you less fearful of taking risks? Does it make it easier for you to do things you deem dangerous? Does your belief in a god bring you a sense of safety?

I recall a post in which you said you think the plains are dangerous, due to tornado activity - I got the impression that you avoid the plains, but that may have been incorrect. Based on that post, and other similar ones you've written, your faith doesn't seem to be doing much to ease your fears, of dying or otherwise. TBH, your faith seems to be your primary defense against your fears and it doesn't seem to be doing much for you in that respect.

I hear so much fear in your posts. It makes me sad for you, and I truly hope that you can find your way free of it. And I hope that doesn't sound condescending.

I don't think it sounds condescending at all, I appreciate it, actually. :) 

And I see your point about the risk assessment—and to be honest, for some reason my belief in an afterlife doesn't make me less fearful of taking risks, or easier to do things I deem dangerous.  Some people have tried to comfort me and remind me of God and heaven and everything, but I think part of a reason I have a fear of dying regardless is 1. I have a fear of the unknown, 2. I'm not sure if I'd be "good enough" and 3. we don't know absolutely 100% what happens after death, it's not like say, falling asleep, or eating, or going into water, where we know exactly what happens and the risk-assesment of it is easy to measure.  I guess it boils down to a fear of the unknown and unpredictability.

For the record, I apologize if things like this derail threads into "discussion of death/nonexistence and trying to figure everything out", it's just not something that gets off my mind easily once I start thinking about it.
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Science / Re: On the Moon Landing
« Last post by Graybeard on Today at 08:46:43 AM »
It is important to know if these Satanic rituals actually work all the time. If they do, then it looks like Satan is more powerful than Yahweh.
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Chatter / Re: Anyone here have a YouTube account?
« Last post by CrystalDragon on Today at 08:36:08 AM »
Providing links can expose who you are in real life. Some people are not really comfortable with doing that. There are three music videos on YouTube that I am performing in. I won't link them here because I don't want to use this platform as a promotion tool for myself. I also want to prevent Nam from forming a counter-offensive and showing up at my front door with his cat. I'm allergic.  ;D

Haha, I getcha. :). And I totally understand about YT links exposing who you are in real life, that's why I just do music videos and a few song covers for mine.  I am thinking of trying to do a few Let's Plays though. :)

The most soothing game I've played in a loooong time is Grow Home. A friend bought it for it.

Never heard of that game, I'll have to look it up! :)
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Arguments from Reason - Aquinas
« Last post by jynnan tonnix on Today at 08:26:07 AM »
Thats easy; god is made of nothing, exists nowhere and never has occupied any space or time.

Well, that certainly explains it! :)
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Chatter / Re: Anyone here have a YouTube account?
« Last post by Defiance on Today at 08:25:13 AM »
Providing links can expose who you are in real life. Some people are not really comfortable with doing that. There are three music videos on YouTube that I am performing in. I won't link them here because I don't want to use this platform as a promotion tool for myself. I also want to prevent Nam from forming a counter-offensive and showing up at my front door with his cat. I'm allergic.  ;D

Haha, I getcha. :). And I totally understand about YT links exposing who you are in real life, that's why I just do music videos and a few song covers for mine.  I am thinking of trying to do a few Let's Plays though. :)

The most soothing game I've played in a loooong time is Grow Home. A friend bought it for it.
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