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Baal was the most prominent of the deities
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http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000874#h=24:0-24:922

Your sources are badly outdated.  You should use something more recent.  Most of what you said has been shown to be inaccurate back in the 1980s. You might try this:

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,23890.msg532519.html#msg532519


What sounds interesting is not there anymore, Screwtape. the server syriac.ca is not found.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: A Question for Atheists:
« Last post by jdawg70 on Today at 12:03:02 PM »
You are right, logic can't prove anything is real.

But since supernatural can't be proven by the natural, all we have in common to talk about is 'reason and logic'.
That's not true.  We have something else in common.  We can try to figure out what the hell supernatural means.  We can try to figure out what it means beyond 'different from natural'.  Because - and I'm going to guess that you're pretty sick of reading it by now, but - things that are not real also can't be proven by the naturalNot real things are also 'different from natural.'

You have yet to provide an explanation as to how you can differentiate between supernatural and not real.  You have yet to provide an explanation as to how you can differentiate between lacking evidence because it's supernatural and lacking evidence because it's not real.

Why isn't this sinking in, dennis?

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The best we can do with logic is to justify the reasonableness of our respective worldviews.
You may even arrive at proving that deism is the most reasonable explanation.
No, the best we can do is to ask ourselves how we can determine if some phenomenon is true, and to propose various methods of truth discovery.  You are proposing using logic as the method of truth discovery in this case.  The problem is - that is insufficient for truth discovery.  How can we say that?  Well...easily.  One can reason and logic their way to all sorts of conclusions that do not appear to be true.  In the longlong ago, thinkers reason and logic'd their way towards a geocentric model of the cosmos.  Thinkers reason and logic'd their way towards a model of perfectly circular celestial orbits.  Then, many years later, someone decided to take a look and found out that the conclusions that were reason and logic'd were wrongIncorrectNot true.

Hell, I've reason and logic'd my way towards concluding that it is healthier for myself and others around me for me to remain a smoker. <--- and that sh*t is clearly untrue.

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You can't prove the actual existence of God, never mind the Judeo Christian version and even less Christianity.
All of these flow out from a worldview but each step down that path requires the previous step to accepted.
But...that's the problem here, dennis.  At some point, you ask us to accept the step of 'god actually exists'.  We then ask 'why should we accept that step', and, in essence, you're answer is 'because if you don't accept it, I can't prove that god actually exists.'

Cart before the horse, man.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why create good and evil?
« Last post by Jag on Today at 11:34:55 AM »
^^^This also indicates quite strongly that God didn't notice the whole "free will" issue in his design, doesn't it?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why create good and evil?
« Last post by screwtape on Today at 11:29:40 AM »
God didn't tell them about good and evil because he DIDN'T WANT THEM TO KNOW about good and evil.

And this does not strike you as a red flag?

He told them if they ate the fruit they would DIE, that very day no less.

So he lied to them.  Another red flag, no?

 
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why create good and evil?
« Last post by jdawg70 on Today at 11:21:52 AM »
Do you understand?

I don't.  If all of what you say were true, one would expect god to not put the tree in the garden in the first place.

If the existence of the tree were merely a test of obedience, one would expect that god would have put a fake good/evil tree in it's place.  That way, if Adam/Eve failed said test of obedience, they still would not have gotten this 'thingie' (you know, knowledge of good and evil) that god did not want them to have.
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General Religious Discussion / For Theists - The Case for atheism
« Last post by wheels5894 on Today at 11:18:16 AM »
I cam across the following talk today from YouTube and thought it might encourage discussion between theists and atheists here. Richard carrier sets out some major reasons why he is an atheist.

Would the theists like to comment?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: The Ethics of Slavery and the Bible
« Last post by screwtape on Today at 11:18:00 AM »
Baal was the most prominent of the deities
...
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000874#h=24:0-24:922

Your sources are badly outdated.  You should use something more recent.  Most of what you said has been shown to be inaccurate back in the 1980s. You might try this:

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,23890.msg532519.html#msg532519



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General Religious Discussion / Re: Should We Fear God
« Last post by junebug72 on Today at 11:17:58 AM »
John 3:16,

Please give an example of something besides God that you love and also fear.

I must consider your first answer to be the more honest answer.  I will argue that they use your fear to control you. 

Do you know what Jesus meant when he said you cannot know the kingdom unless you come to it as a child? 

Don't you think that means to be humble with an open mind and a heart full of love? 

The bible is pretty clear; don't learn about god from men and do NOT assemble yourselves.
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How many children were not virgins?

The Bible does not say those children weren't virgins.
Let's not put words in YHWH's mouth, alright? ;)

It is clear that Jehovah ordered the extermination of certain communities.  Can to explain why they should have not been?

You want me to explain why murdering children is wrong? Are you high?[1]
 1. To be clear, this is a serious question, though Jstwebbrowsing is free to explain the real reason why he's demonstrating clear psychopathic and sociopathic traits.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: The Ethics of Slavery and the Bible
« Last post by Jag on Today at 11:06:00 AM »
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Numbers 31:18:
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

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The Bible does not say these women became slaves.

Pay attention to the bolded part please. You can absolutely put forward the argument that the bible does not explicitly say "make the virgin women slaves" and you are factually correct.

So, please explain how one can "keep" a person "for themselves", without the person in question being the "property" of the person "keeping" them.

To be explicitly clear jst - I'm asking you to tell me what the functional difference is between being unwillingly "kept" by someone, and being someone's "slave"?
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