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But my question is to Lukvance and others on their thoughts of biblical crime and punishment.

Luk is on post approval right now, so it might be a while before he responds.  But allow me to try to anticipate his answer.  Because he sees the bible as essentially just a bunch of stories (perplexing as that may be), he will reject the quotes you provided.


(where does the CCC gain the right to directly contradict the words of Matthew, Mark, Luke and Peter who clearly indicate that one goes to hell for non belief and certain sins.)

I'm not sure who the "CCC" is.  Do you mean RCC?  If so, it was Paul.  Paul contradicted those guys.  If you read the letter he sent to the Galaxian churches, he essentially says jesus H sent him, he's right, and even if an angel from heaven comes to tell you otherwise, you should still believe Paul.

Galaxians 1:8-9
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But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

Galaga 1:11-12
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I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

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General Religious Discussion / Christians, what if Islam were true?
« Last post by epidemic on Today at 09:52:13 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bita3nibuSw

I think his concusion right at the end  should be interesting to our more religous members.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Hell and the end of life
« Last post by shnozzola on Today at 09:50:25 AM »
Then why did Jesus not make that distinction when pointing out the unforgivable sin?

I don't know, but his apostle did.  Both Adam and Judas are scriptural examples of ones that have commited it.  Neither were repentant.  Satan is another example.  He is never going to repent.

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By what you are saying, every sin is unforgivable if one is unrepentant.

No not quite, but those that commit it do not repent.

Jst,
          Some of these threads say much on your experiences and possibly narrow views.  I suggest starting in Rio at carnival, being buried in volcanic sand on the beaches in Japan, horseback riding in southern Africa, and visiting the Iditarod dog sled race in Alaska for starters.  God should be OK with all that.

edit: sorry hit the tab button, not the first time.
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As I understand it.

If at the moment of my death I do not believe in God/Jesus I will spend eternity suffering in a place called hell?

As I understand it if I kill someone and am generally happy about it when I a struck by a truck and die myself I will go to hell?


source the bible and compiled by GB
everlasting fire — Matthew18:8, 25:41
everlasting punishment — Matthew 25:46
everlasting chains — Jude 1:6
eternal damnation — Mark 3:29
eternal judgment — Hebrews 6:2
eternal fire — Jude 1:7
unquenchable fire — Matthew 3:12
the fire that never shall be quenched — Mark 9:43, 44, 45, 46, 48
fire unquenchable — Luke 3:17
mist of darkness is reserved for ever — 2 Peter 2:17
the blackness of darkness for ever — Jude 1:13
23 "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in TORMENTS. . . "
24 ". . . for I am TORMENTED in this FLAME."
28 ". . .PLACE OF TORMENT."

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Psalm 9:17

The Bible describes it as weeping (Matt 8:12), wailing (Matt 13:42), gnashing of teeth (Matt 13:50), darkness (Matt 25:30), flames (Luke 16:24), burning (Isa 33:14), everlasting punishment! Jesus Christ says in Matthew 25:41, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels."

Does that not sound like punishment?

In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Now, that sounds like punishment to many members here. And, on the face of it, God is responsible.

There is the alternative view that Yahweh punishes people so that others can see how powerful he is:

Joh:9:1: And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh:9:2: And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh:9:3: Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.



But my question is to Lukvance and others on their thoughts of biblical crime and punishment.




Bonus question in anticipation of Lukvance's response.  (where does the CCC gain the right to directly contradict the words of Matthew, Mark, Luke and Peter who clearly indicate that one goes to hell for non belief and certain sins.)
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Hell and the end of life
« Last post by Boots on Today at 09:26:09 AM »
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By what you are saying, every sin is unforgivable if one is unrepentant.

No not quite, but those that commit it do not repent.

Never, in the history of mankind, has there ever been a person who spoke against the Holy Spirit, and has repented?  How do you know this?
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I commented on the video. The fact that he never did the second, indicates to me that he was not too happy with this one.
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I think your problem is that "not" also means "without". Particularly in the sense of "without but it should have one." as in "There is not a core in this apple." = "This apple is without a core but it should have one."

There are groups of objects and ideas that normally have an attribute that may be legitimately described as "without X" The idea of a description is to isolate the thing being described from the others.

Therefore, we can see the difference between a person living in Nottingham saying, "I live near a river in which there is not hippopotamuses" and someone who lives in a hippopotamus infested area saying, "I live near a river in which there is not hippopotamuses." The former is usekess as a description, the latter is not.

You must also realise that your statements are descriptive, not definitive. Finally, you should see the difference between, "it was [not I] who said that." and "I did not say that" the former not addresses the 'I' and the latter 'did say.'

I hope this helps.?
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Let it be said once for all.

The bible is not true story. It is inspired by God and written by humans. God did not write the Bible.


Ok if the bible was written by men and is not a true story,  how are we to know what part of the bible is inspired truth vs story?

How are we to know what god demands, thinks, says, and does?



As for my stupidity.  Well I am sorry to be so inferior to you in all of your intellectual grandure but I am what I am.  But even as stupid as I am, I am not sure the multiverse posed by scientists is typically expressed as infinite number of universes, Nor is it scientifically proposed that each decision made by humans results in a new uiniverse.

Even if it did that does not change the punishment for thought crimes dealt out by god.  Well that is unless there is an infinite number of god universes caused by his decision tree.  One where he burns you for all eternity if you don't believe and another universe where he burns you eternally for eating ice cream on thursday the 13th of an un known forgotten calendar.
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Religion & Society / Re: "Atheists Disgust Us"
« Last post by screwtape on Today at 07:38:41 AM »
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People widely assume that if they reject the notion of God, they also reject essential ethical values.

It's not assumed.  It is taught.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: JW visited
« Last post by screwtape on Today at 07:28:30 AM »
I've never even seen such a survey where I could say I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I live right in the middle of the "Bible belt".  I've seen surveys that say "Christian" but that's it.  If they can't manage to survey me then I'm quite certain they haven't surveyed to the ends of the world.  An accurate outside poll is not even a possibility.

Just as an fyi, surveys and polls are not the same a census, where they attempt to count every single person.  And even a census has a margin of error.  Surveys and polls use statistical sampling and if done correctly are extremely accurate with a very small margin of error.  It should not count against anything that you personally were not counted. 


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General Religious Discussion / negative hippo; a resort for theists
« Last post by eh! on Today at 02:29:34 AM »
new to this stuff, I thought this guy gives a decent non technical intro;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-8cfWXIGmE

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