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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why [God] made me with a fallible brain?
« Last post by Defiance on Yesterday at 08:38:53 PM »
With God we can't be as certain by just looking. We can be pretty sure from how people react that they are experiencing something. We can be even more certain when we measure and detect the brain chemicals with scientific instruments. Certainty very high, but less than 100%.
Leave the chemical argument to atheists.

Chemicals are natural, non-magic related, responses to natural stimuli. No god(s) required.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Probabilities of God's existence debate
« Last post by Defiance on Yesterday at 08:36:51 PM »
I understand.
No, you certainly do not.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: how would you counter this, literalist post.
« Last post by Timo on Yesterday at 08:14:31 PM »
All I'm saying is that I like about interpretations like Jst's.  He isn't being rigid. He figures that if science contradicts scripture then he's not reading scripture correctly. I like that. And I don't even care if it's rational or not.

If he's also preaching hell, then I have a problem with that. That's actually one of those doctrines that hits me a little close to home. Intellectually I'm sure that when I die, that will be the end of my consciousness. And yet, if I'm being honest, there is some part of me that's sure that I'm going to hell. I can't quite shake it.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Is This Actually 2014?
« Last post by natlegend on Yesterday at 07:49:31 PM »
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"When illness is seen as punishment, the ill are seen as punished. Stigmatising sickness is dangerous: it renders the sufferer as "other" and becomes a protective mechanism by which the healthy distance themselves, physically and psychologically, from the unwell. The sick are cursed, and the healthy, by necessary contrast, are blessed. This cannot but have an effect on how those suffering from illness are treated: If disease is divine punishment, then by definition they "deserve it"

It's reminiscent of a bunch of villagers pointing at someone with leprosy and shouting "Unclean! Unclean!"
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Chatter / Re: Rate the Last Film You Saw
« Last post by atheola on Yesterday at 07:43:25 PM »
The Bothersome Man (Netflix, subtitled Icelandic) 7/10 Some guy is deposited in a bland, colorless society where everyone seems happy and his job is bland, but every need it meet.. Is it a hellish existence or nirvana?  The sex is bland and the women don't object to anyone fucking everyone..  Good flick..  ;)
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Chatter / Re: Robin Williams dies at 63 in apparent suicide
« Last post by jynnan tonnix on Yesterday at 07:42:59 PM »
Thanks for this one...I've seen a lot of tributes and interviews in the past days, and this is probably one of the sweetest and most human of them. Will be sharing it on.
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Science / Re: Autism and vaccines
« Last post by Graybeard on Yesterday at 07:28:13 PM »
In about 2003, a group of us went on a public speaking course. One guy did a really interesting talk on "How to find diamonds"  but one woman, with an autistic child, did a talk on "Vaccines: The Cause of Autism." The point was that the subject should not have mattered, the talk was simply putting into practice what we had learned. But we were a bad set to give such a talk to. We had all been trained to trust nobody who couldn't come up with the evidence and question and double-check everything. Nobody in the room believed it. And as she accused Big Pharma of denying a link to protect their profits, and governments protecting their donors and friends. We asked for evidence. She gave the example of Thalidomide and links between Pharma and government minsters. Calls of "You didn't take thalidomide!" and "Conspiracy theory!" came. She quoted Wakefield, "Unsupported!", She quoted statistical correlation, "What about Denmark?" 

But she would not let go. Her final words were, "You don't understand."

Now the point was that she too had been trained to trust nobody who couldn't come up with the evidence and question and double-check everything. And she was good at it: much better than average. But on this, after years of heartache, worry, mental and physical  stress, and having produced an autistic child, she needed a reason, a cause, a club of like-minded people who now knew the answer. Wakefield had given it and it was nothing to do with her or her husband. There was a faith there.

Wakefield gave hope of a happier life hereafter: better care provided by money from Big Pharma? It was not her "fault.". Wakefield backed it up with fiction, his disciples, having utter faith in him, added conspiracy and apologists arose.

This is the sort of stuff that the conspiracists were putting out -> http://www.i-sis.org.uk/MMRautism.php (undated but appears to be c. 2001)

Dr Mae-Wan Ho is a little strange and (as you will see) is quote-mined by creationists: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mae-Wan_Ho She is a signatory to "A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism" and to see what kind of person signs that document, have a look at http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/A_Scientific_Dissent_from_Darwinism
Peter Saunders, her co-author on several books appears here: http://pjsaunders.blogspot.co.uk/  Christian Medical Comment
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Chatter / Re: Don't protest after sundown..
« Last post by atheola on Yesterday at 07:02:40 PM »
You're over simplifying things with 'vote or STFU'

In this case, I'm not. 

You keep saying these things and I have to keep pointing out that all the things you have been talking about are real, but do not generally apply to Missouri nor specifically to Ferguson. 

And in any case, you seem to agree that no one is going to rescue them.  That there is no Superman who can change anything for them.  That the only thing that will do anything is for them to take responsibility for their own destiny and change the political situation by voting. 

There is no real alternative.  Should they all buy guns and revolt against a tyrannical local government?  I think that would result in the National Guard killing them all.  "Second Amendment solutions" are a fantasy. 

Complaining and not voting is a pointless waste of time.


The point I'm perhaps not making is in order to get out the vote requires money to get the word out, have solid candidates worth voting for who aren't pre-tainted and to cozy with the local yokel police and oversight to ensure that the votes cast aren't shitcanned in favor of the people who should be shitcanned..
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Religion In The News / Re: ISIS
« Last post by Timo on Yesterday at 07:00:01 PM »
Nah, fuck insulting dude.
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Science / Re: Autism and vaccines
« Last post by wright on Yesterday at 06:38:22 PM »
The Andrew Wakefields of our world are parasites, enjoying the benefits of civilization even as they attack it. It is maddening and saddening to me that it's even needed to defend the efficacy of vaccination and other modern medical practices.
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