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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why is Murder Wrong? I need evidence...

« Last post by jetson on Today at 08:16:37 AM »

An "atheistic universe" is one where there is no god.  So you are asking if there is an "objective good" within a universe without a god.  Well, I say there is no objective good regardless of the existence of a god.  At least I can't see one, or even fathom it.

Murder is corruptive to a civilized society.  Killing, on the other hand, is usually considered defensive - a way to defend against a threat to your life.

IMO, most atheists believe that the world we live in - with no gods - looks exactly the same as the one you live in - with a god.  IOW, you can't make a distinction about a world with a god that an atheist can utilize to determine things like objective good. 

If there is a god, and this god provides an objective good for humans, what is it?  Tell me what is objectively good, and eliminate the exceptions.  Show me a list of objective good stuff.

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MailBag / Re: Why doesn't God heal amputees? [#2743]

« Last post by Chronos on Today at 08:11:40 AM »

One day I'm really gonna go off on these people who think they just discovered fire and invented the wheel. I've grown loathsome of their lack of creativity. If you're going to live in a fantasy world, you need to demonstrate an ability to come up with new shit.

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Introductions / Re: Recovery long term theist

« Last post by Chronos on Today at 08:08:16 AM »

Ah, okay.

When I first read it I thought you were still being all polite and Christian-like in referring to "asshole" baptists, but of course that's just me projecting ...

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Don't expect an atheist president anytime soon

« Last post by Nick on Today at 08:06:49 AM »

Well, you can understand that since atheists are such bad, evil, destructive people.

I think we already have an atheist Muslim president.

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Chatter / Re: Gun Fails

« Last post by Chronos on Today at 08:01:11 AM »

Indeed, and that fact is no more clearly demonstrated than by the federal government's response to the Whiskey Rebellion^Wiki, two years after the Constitution and the Bill of Rights went into law.

Furthermore, Shays' Rebellion ^Wiki, which happened a year before the Philadelphia Convention, was put down by a militia.  It really puts this whole Second Amendment debate into perspective.

So, you are saying that the Second Amendment is to allow citizens to have guns in order to fight off other citizens who have guns and wish to rebel? Besides the absurd madness of that logic, where does one cross the line from simple rebellion to civil war?

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Introductions / Re: Recovery long term theist

« Last post by neopagan on Today at 07:57:56 AM »

thanks again.

"aso. baptist" would be a typo for "a so. baptist" aka a southern baptist.  sorry

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General Religious Discussion / Re: What Would It Take For You To Change Your View?

« Last post by The Gawd on Today at 07:50:11 AM »

So it's either don't believe or be a Christian or something with a title.

Thanks Tonus for being insightful.

I appreciate you making me think here Anf.  I can only speak for myself here.  I haven't in a literal way found God.  I found belief in God.  I feel God's Love.  That's why I define God as Loving, so I try to be Loving as well. 

I know you want to know how I feel loved by God.  It's because I am so thankful for my life even the bad stuff.  It's like the good stuff makes it worth all the effort.  I don't look at my challenges as God is picking on me.  I used too; was so angry at God.  It wasn't until I learned to trust that I was able to feel His love.  The reason I trust God is because I believe God is Loving.

You stated in your post that you made it up (or in your own words "defining god on my own terms"). I dont know how many times I have pointed this out to you. The rest of the post I am having difficulty following. If you havent "literally" found god then your belief is in something that literally doesnt exist. If youre simply trying to describe "love" we have a word for that, its called "love". How you being thankful for existence suggests "love" is a god is nonsensical. And how could you be angry at "love"?

Why did you make god a man in your religion?

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General Religious Discussion / Re: What Would It Take For You To Change Your View?

« Last post by junebug72 on Today at 07:27:13 AM »

Instead of letting bad religious practices dictate my belief I have been defining God on my own terms and it has worked so much better for me. 

Yep.  It all becomes a LOT easier when you make it up as you go along.

Isn't it always funny how those people who go seeking their own god always find out that god neatly mirrors their own feelings and morality?  You seldom hear of anyone say "so I went seeking the REAL god and found that it wants all these things that I think are terrible - I'm really unhappy now because I've discovered god, and it's SO not what I think is right."

So it's either don't believe or be a Christian or something with a title.

Thanks Tonus for being insightful.

I appreciate you making me think here Anf.  I can only speak for myself here.  I haven't in a literal way found God.  I found belief in God.  I feel God's Love.  That's why I define God as Loving, so I try to be Loving as well. 

I know you want to know how I feel loved by God.  It's because I am so thankful for my life even the bad stuff.  It's like the good stuff makes it worth all the effort.  I don't look at my challenges as God is picking on me.  I used too; was so angry at God.  It wasn't until I learned to trust that I was able to feel His love.  The reason I trust God is because I believe God is Loving.

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Introductions / Re: Recovery long term theist

« Last post by Chronos on Today at 07:08:49 AM »

Welcome!

I grew up in aso. baptist home ...

What is "aso. baptist"?

I'm still living a bit of a lie - I'm in the closet, as far as my family goes.  My wife is a big time believer and to even question things is a major "lack of faith" so I'm just staying out of that horrible battle.  It won't end well.

It's not easy to live among the brainwashed. It is an untreatable illness.

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Introductions / Re: Recovery long term theist

« Last post by pianodwarf on Today at 06:11:03 AM »

Hi, neopagan, welcome to WWGHA.  I'm glad to hear that you've found discussion here helpful to you.  There are a number of people here who have had to deal with the "coming out" aspect of being an atheist, so I hope that they'll be helpful to you with that as well.