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Science / Re: Experiment confirms quantum theory weirdness
« Last post by Graybeard on Today at 07:46:45 AM »
Imagine that there is a man with a rifle 2 miles way. The rifle has a flash-suppressor and fires its bullets at greater than the speed of sound.
At a distance of 1 mile, between you and the rifleman, there is a balloon made of transparent material and filled under pressure. You cannot actually see the balloon with the naked eye.

You stand a little to the side and this is what you observe.

1.   The balloon pops
2.   The rifle fires.

The experiment is conducted again but the rifleman is told to miss the balloon.

1.   You hear the rifle only – the balloon must be safe.

In the first case, the balloon knew it was being aimed at and made the decision to burst.
In the second case, the balloon knew it was not being aimed at and remained whole.

QM is child's play... : )
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"Christians say that--without exception--their God answers all of their prayers; it's just that He sometimes says "yes" and other times "no," "maybe," or "wait." Of course the same could be said of the rain-god,"Bob." [Donald Morgan]
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Jesus never healed anyone
« Last post by YRM_DM on Today at 07:41:44 AM »
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Jesus didn't cure EVERYONE because that is not part of the plan. The plan involves getting rid of that stuff later, which the Bible supports. The point of Jesus' healings is to prove that He is from God. There is no trick if Jesus puts a man's ear back on. The ear was clearly off the body.

At what point would you start questioning whether this plan was real, or makes sense, or was just invented by humans thousands of years ago for various reasons?

What if part of the plan was, you had to put hot sauce on a cucumber and stick it where the sun doesn't shine, to burn sins away... would you question it then?

The "plan" already makes zero sense... how much less sense would it have to make before you start questioning it?
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Evolution & Creationism / Re: Abiogenesis and probability?
« Last post by Airyaman on Today at 07:39:45 AM »
^^ Because of sin of course (don't forget that part, its an important loophole).
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Science / Re: Infinity
« Last post by Graybeard on Today at 07:33:43 AM »
When it comes to a supply of something, there does not need to be a beginning to it - it only matters that it is always there.

I understand that there can be a never ending supply of mercy, benevolence, love etc. But how does this work for things like knowledge and power?

A god may have a very large amount of knowledge but there must be a finite amount of things to know.
The same goes for power, I guess this is a "can god create a rock so heavy that he can't lift it" type of question.
Your examples are abstracts and involve a supply that has no limit and is greater than any assignable quantity or magnitude. However, the thrust of God's "infiniteness" is subjective so as not to create the paradox.

To the receiver, any abstract quantity received without limit can be described as infinite. And it is always the receiver who describes the condition.

To put it another way, infinities are shown when numbers will not suffice. So if we take a quality of God, and you say, "What if a billion people all wanted to find their car keys at the same time?" The theist replied, "No problem, God knows were they are and will reveal the location unto you."

And now it doesn't matter how much you increase the number, nor how many simultaneous requests for God to complete a task there are: the answer is the same. This then accords with the idea of infinity.

Just to clear up "power" - if conveying the answer or completing the task requires that God expends some power, then by definition, that power must be infinite.

A lot this infinite stuff is as a direct result of God being outside space and time.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Jesus never healed anyone
« Last post by Airyaman on Today at 07:30:32 AM »
Its a shame (or an intentional omission) that actual locations were not given for either of these events. We are told in Mat 14 that Jesus was by a body of water since he used a boat, but that could be anywhere. In ch. 13, it does say he had gone back to his hometown, which he could have been close to the small body of water called the Sea of Galilee. Word of John's beheading seem to come rather quickly, and unless he was using special Jesus powers, he could have been in Tiberias. However, Jesus did not travel far before the crowds caught up with him, and it was said to be a desolate place, so not close to a heavily populated area.

That being said, the rough estimated population of Tiberias was as little as 4500 to as many as 15000 (Archaeology and the Galilean Jesus: A Re-examination of the Evidence, read via Google books), and Tiberias was a major city in Galilee. If we even hold to the latter, more than a 1/3 of Tiberias population was out listening to Jesus (he had a good sound system).

So 1/3 (or all) of one of your major cities is out listening to and being miraculously fed by Jesus, and no one outside of the bible mentions it. And it happens more than once?

The NT often said Jesus was famous. Too bad no one else had heard of him.

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Chatter / Re: militarized police state
« Last post by Nam on Today at 07:17:32 AM »
The douche says he was worried for the safety of children? This was after the guy hit a stopped sign and had a stroke, right? Idiot.

-Nam
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Evolution & Creationism / Re: Abiogenesis and probability?
« Last post by screwtape on Today at 07:17:16 AM »
What machines have we made that perform for 70 or 80 years like our bodies do?

Remember, our bodies perform like crap for about 40 of those years.  We are completely useless for the first 8-10, and after 40, everything starts going to hell.  Without modern medicine, it gets even worse.
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Cross referencing is a very old practice.  You gather all the scriptures you can on a subject.  That's how you prevent cherry picking.

Cross referencing data and news makes sense.  When doing it with "holy" writing, which often has no basis in fact in the first place, it can become a weird obsession and an intellectual trap, as it has for jehovah's alibis.  For them it is an exercise in creative free association, a kind of SPAG.  Or, at least, it was for Russell.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why is it a problem for any god?
« Last post by Nam on Today at 07:13:38 AM »
No, no... He is a complete nutjob.

-Nam
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