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Chatter / Re: log yr theories, Russia manipulated US voters??
« Last post by screwtape on December 03, 2016, 10:50:32 AM »
I don't know. I thought the suggestion that the vote was going to be rigged was more of a face saving maneuver.

I did too.  BUT:

1. He's been in bed with the russians for years
2. Many of his top aids are known to have worked for Russia
3. Russia hacked voter roles in several states
4. Russia was behind a lot of the fake news stories negative toward Hillary
5. Trump won every single swing state he needed, against every poll.
6. Republicans are completely uninterested in lookining into Russia's involvement
7. Repubs will do anything for power, as they have shown throughout American history with watergate, Nixon meddling in negotiations with Vietnam, Reagan making deals with Iran, the last Bush presidency, etc.

All circumstantial, I know. But the cumulative weight of it begs for at least a thorough investigation.
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Religion & Society / Why aren't Christians, Christians?
« Last post by jetson on December 03, 2016, 10:39:17 AM »
I was thinking about the "slippery slope" arguments that come from believers who fear that if we let homosexuals marry their own gender, we will then have to allow someone to marry their dog, or a grown man to marry a child, or a person should be able to marry more than one person, etc., etc. They spend a lot of time trying to be the judge, as opposed to just being a Christian. Modern Christians want to be Jesus, rather than just follow Jesus, if you ask me. They have spent so much time and effort attempting to tell others how to live, who they can and cannot love, when they can and cannot have sex, what they should and should not do in private with their bodies...on and on and on this goes.

I don't recall Jesus telling his followers to act this way. I believe they just hijacked it and decided to become little Jesus's on their own. It's like when kids try to emulate a parent to their siblings by citing rules and punishment. Yet, Jesus himself seemed completely clear and unambiguous when he stood in front of the stoning mob that was ready to kill a prostitute and said "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." To which the crowd each dropped their stones and dispersed.

It is not the Christian's job to be the judge of others. "Judge not, lest ye be judged." It is not the Christian's job to do harm to others "turn the other cheek." It is not their job to hate others "love thy neighbor." I could go on and on with examples of the teachings of Jesus that have literally been hijacked by a raving pack of Jesus wannabees. And they seem to think this is what is expected of them.

I do realize that the Bible is filled with stuff that modern Christians and Jews think is their job to enforce. But I don't think that is the case at all. The narrative does not imply such a thing. The overarching message is plain to me - be good little humans, treat each other nicely, follow the rules, and be with God eternally - become God. But since humans are not really that good at understanding and following the message, well - lights out for many of them. Either that or they get to burn for eternity according to modern believers.

What. A. Mess.

P.S. My interpretation of the Bible and modern Christianity is far simpler than what I described above. I inserted what I consider a common understanding of the narrative in order to discuss what Christians should be doing.

In a nutshell, I believe the Jesus character in the New Testament was a regular human who believed that the kingdom of God was coming to earth, and everyone needs to be prepared for it. That's it. The Romans treated him as a common criminal and sentenced him to death. That's it. Jesus did not want to create Christianity, that happened as a result of the stories as opposed to a purposeful effort, divine or otherwise. Christianity is a hijacking of Judaism in order to appeal to more enlightened people. The rules and rituals of Judaism were too much as people learned more, and thus was born a new religion that attempted to be more progressive for mass appeal. That's it.
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Religion & Society / Re: Hello, atheists who did you vote for?
« Last post by velkyn on December 03, 2016, 10:13:07 AM »
Good Samaritan takes care of people who are in need, such as providing food, water, and shelter.  Trump agreed to provide lots of things for Syrian refugees.  Even some forms of protection but not on our soil.
There is nothing wrong with showing compassion for the needy, I actually support policies like that.
But good president think about his people first.  Just like a good father keeps his family on top priority.

I don't knowingly invited people into my house which possibly could hurt my family even if the possibility is .00001%.

It's always most curious to see how fearful people like John are.  They insist that their god will take care of them but then their actions show that they don't believe that at all, building walls, carrying guns, saying internment camps are a great idea, etc.  One would think that they don't believe in a god at all.   
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Chatter / Re: The Conflicts of Interest -
« Last post by shnozzola on December 03, 2016, 09:10:42 AM »
More conflicts:

- Trump's possible Secretary of the Interior, Sarah Palin, gave Trump some economic lessons yesterday on what Crony Capitalism is (maybe a bit about Al Capone)  and why it should be avoided.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sarah-palin-calls-out-trump-s-carrier-deal-warns-against-n691426

- Then Trump answered Taiwan's call, overturning decades of diplomacy.  China told Trump to "be careful" - the entire planet holds it's breath on Trump's next step.  (Sources say, Trump was wondering why East Germany or Rhodesia hadn't called, and no one's said anything about Yugoslavia, with aids reminding him there is no East Germany or Yugoslavia anymore, sir, and Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe,   - just kidding, those of you in Rio Linda)

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/02/politics/donald-trump-taiwan/index.html
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General Religious Discussion / Re: velkyn, strong atheism
« Last post by junebug72 on December 03, 2016, 09:04:53 AM »
I have this nagging idea that we need to make things more simple for theists to understand atheist.

I agree. There is really no need to introduce atheism on a sliding scale. I would only bring it up when nuances arise in conversation if I think it will help.

Thanks for agreeing with me that feels great!

I think it's only useful in atheist conversation though.  Anti-theism is an awesome term that once explained is very effective.  They will leave or if they stay they know how opposed to belief you are.  To me this is the term that opens the door to how terrible and harmful their belief is.  It's so bad I'm anti that.  ;)
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General Religious Discussion / Re: velkyn, strong atheism
« Last post by junebug72 on December 03, 2016, 08:54:52 AM »
You left out the part of that post where I already told you what you falsely equivocated.  I'll repeat that for you.  A positive claim with a negative claim.

What is the difference between atheist and strong atheist? 

You said it does not make sense.  I agree it does not.  That being said I'm satisfied I have proved my premise: 1) adding strong to atheist complicates the definition;Occam's Razor applies. 2) strong atheism is gnostic atheism, because weak atheism is agnostic, which declares knowledge and knowledge requires objective evidence.  3) Claiming knowledge shifts the burden of proof. 4) Anti-theism is a better term to declare the unlikelyness of converting to theism.  See I'm not confused.  I know exactly what I am saying. 

"Calling" me confused is ad hominem.  It is an attempt to discredit the premises of my argument by addressing the woman not the argument.  That's ad hominem all day long.  Ad hominem is a logical fallacy.  I'm glad you did not choke on your pride when you stooped so low.

You moved the goalpost by using this ad hominem.   Another logical fallacy.  Calling me confused moved the goalpost to me because now I'm defending my mental state.  Now that's off topic.

The definition of atheist is changed every time an attempt is made to define what strong atheist means.  Asymmetrical means not symmetrical.  Atheist means not theist.  Asexual means not sex.  Atypical means not typical.  Atheist does not mean likelyness of converting to theism.  Changing the definition is what you are doing when you say strong atheist means I'm not likely to convert to theism or ever believe gods exist anti-theism does that.  Atheist speaks for itself.  Strong atheist requires explanation and there can be millions of versions.   

You've been a member since 2011 I've been a member since 2013 so yes indeed you were here during my time as a SBNR theist.  If I need to dig deeper I bet $20 I can find replies from you to me as a SBNR theist.  I'll do it too.  Why?  Because I'm very interested in the reason why you and velkyn refuse to treat me as a peer interested only in helping make our arguments more effective than they already are.  Do you not think I'm capable of that albeto? 

I'm really done with this subject until somebody can point out weakness in my premises. 

I'm not going to answer your questions because that would be equivalent to admitting you are correct about confusion.  You are not correct about that so no need to answer your questions. 
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Chatter / Re: "What are you listening to now"... take three...
« Last post by Timo on December 03, 2016, 05:12:03 AM »


A perfect song for New Years. It's almost that time. RIP Dirtsman.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: For The Atheists: If God Told You...
« Last post by skeptic54768 on December 03, 2016, 01:37:53 AM »


skeptic54768, if you've lost interest in this particular topic, kindly let us know.  If it isn't abundantly clear yet, some of us on this forum cannot tell the difference between you losing interest in a topic, being intellectually satisfied with a topic, intentionally avoiding a topic, or just plain forgetting about the existence of a topic.  Please help us.

I apologize for not being as active. it is the busy holiday season. But rest assured, I have not lost interest.
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Chatter / Re: "What are you listening to now"... take three...
« Last post by Timo on December 03, 2016, 12:04:46 AM »
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Religion & Society / Re: Hello, atheists who did you vote for?
« Last post by Add Homonym on December 02, 2016, 11:04:56 PM »
I mean dude went right to Al Sharpton when I mentioned that Trump had to settle housing discrimination cases with the Justice Department.

I suppose someone has to argue the KKK case to us on this forum. We live in a bubble.

Thanks to John, for being Satan's advocate.
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