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Chatter / Re: My Free Speech Is Good Yours Is Not
« Last post by Mr. Blackwell on Yesterday at 11:29:17 PM »
Screwtape,

Politicians lie. That's what they do. It doesn't matter to which party they belong. Democrats and republicans lie to us every single time they open their mouths. One party is not more culpable than the other.

Edit to add:

Some people talk as though one party actually is more culpable than the other.  That kind of talk confuses me.
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Chatter / Re: My Free Speech Is Good Yours Is Not
« Last post by Mr. Blackwell on Yesterday at 11:21:48 PM »
Nam,

I don't need lessons in PC talk from you. If the people on this forum can't distinguish a fact from an opinion, that is not my problem. You are not their champion. So, get off of your high horse and engage in the actual substance of the conversation and stop critiquing my style.

I mean, unless it is that you are really that enthralled by me? If so, then by all means...please keep talking about how I say things while ignoring what I have actually said.

I do love your special attention to every nuance of my phrasing.
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Chatter / Re: My Free Speech Is Good Yours Is Not
« Last post by screwtape on Yesterday at 11:14:13 PM »
I did not make a blanket statement.

You did.  Quit trying to back pedal away from it. It was as much a blanket statement as what you accused liberals of doing.  Just acknowledge you overstated your point and move on.


A blanket statement would be "Liberals are hypocrites because they constantly blame conservatives for the Iraq invasion but they don't seem to understand that the Iraq invasion would not have been possible without the support of democrats."

Which is almost verbatim what you said.  Own up to it.  Acknowledge you ought not have said it and carry on. 

You might also acknowledge that the repubs in the Oval Office blatantly lied to the country, which was why dems supported them. So your point is kind of bullshit anyway.



If you will notice...I did not actually say that.

Stop playing your stupid games with me.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: What would make you believe?
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 10:59:06 PM »
Meeee???? Ruddddeee?



(talk to the hand)

;)

-Nam
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Chatter / Re: My Free Speech Is Good Yours Is Not
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 10:54:55 PM »
It's not about how I want you to say them; you're stating things like facts and referring to them as your "opinion". When you state an opinion you're not succinct in it. You're so broad in your statement that one has to read into it, and frankly, one shouldn't have to.

Example:

This is an opinion:

"I believe that 89% of Republicans are white."

That's written out as an opinion I really don't need to back it up because I am not stating something as an opinion--but writing it out as a fact, like:

"89% of Republicans are white."

See the difference?

"What I don't get is when liberals blame conservatives for the war in Iraq"

"What I don't get is when certain liberals blame conservatives for the war in Iraq"

See the difference? Took one word to change it from fact (opinion in your mind) to an actual opinion.

You're not making a claim that way and I don't have to ask you to prove it, I just look for myself if I want to know.

You did make a "blanket statement" by just saying "liberals".

Oh, and i am not playing games. If I was I'd be vulgar and call you an "idiot".

Idiot.

-Nam
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General Religious Discussion / Re: What would make you believe?
« Last post by screwtape on Yesterday at 10:51:46 PM »
You just want her to stay away from me.

No.  I don't care either way.  If she wants to stay away from you, then sure.  If she's fine mingling with you, that's fine too.  I just want her to know her options.

I'm not that aggressive, am I?

No.  You're just kind of rude.
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Chatter / Re: Obama vs Democrats on Pacific Trade Bill
« Last post by screwtape on Yesterday at 10:45:58 PM »
Mark me as totally against it.  Why?  For one, it is a complete secret., politifact not withstanding.  They're not allowed to read it before voting on it, which is fishy enough. Secondly, nafta, and every other free trade bullshit agreement, killed the US working middle class.  This will do more of the same.

Warren has been right on the money so far on all things economic.  Plus Bernie Sanders hates it too.  I respect them both a lot and they have a better track record in my book than the president. 

Forbes is for it, so it must only benefit the rich bastards at the expense of everyone else.  I say that only half tongue in cheek.[1]

Also, politico sucks on such a consistent basis, Charles Pierce refers to it as Tiger Beat on the Patomic.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/04/23/sen-warren-those-promising-tpp-would-be-so-great-prove-it

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-obamas-trans-pacific-partnership/


 1. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinomarah/2015/04/22/obama-is-right-on-the-trans-pacific-partnership/
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General Religious Discussion / Re: What would make you believe?
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 10:41:43 PM »
You just want her to stay away from me.

I'm not that aggressive, am I?

:'(

-Nam
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Will a Christian explain freewill to me
« Last post by screwtape on Yesterday at 10:24:33 PM »
Scientiests theorize there are other dimensions.  Scientists say that if they exist we can never observe them.  Do you actually think science could find God?  Is that logical?

Do you understand why scientists theorize these dimensions? Do you understand why that is qualitatively and categorically different than the existence of an Iron Age Canaanite deity?  Do you understand why those dimensions might not be observable and why it doesn't matter?

If you think so, please explain.  You seem to have gone off half cocked, knowing just enough to be dangerous.


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General Religious Discussion / Re: What would make you believe?
« Last post by screwtape on Yesterday at 10:12:40 PM »
How realistic is it to you that one person can successfully debate against 28 people?  How do I choose which arguments to address, which questions to answer?

hi Ashley

The green indicates I am responding as a moderator, not a participant in the conversation.  Allow me to help you. 

It's not realistic, but there are options.  You can ask that we all be patient with you while you give each response you full attention.  Speaking for myself, I would rather wait and get a reply that had your full attention a an effort, than a half-assed response immediately.

Or, you can post in the Shelter.  It is an area for religious people to post without the usual high standards of the rest of the forum.  There is also,limited access by atheists.  We hand pick the more courteous, less aggressive members to participate there. 

Your third option is to use a debate room.  It need not be used for a formal debate, but rather for a public one on one discussion.  you may limit the terms, scope and participants of the discussion there. 

I hope that helps.  If you have questions, ask anyone on staff.





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