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Chatter / Re: "What are you listening to now"... take three...
« Last post by BrainMan on Yesterday at 07:40:27 AM »
I am listening Enriuq's song 'Hero'. I just love Enrique and his name. I was looking for the meaning of Enrique on http://www.babynology.com/meaning-enrique-m1.html and now I understand why he lives in the heart of million.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?
« Last post by jdawg70 on Yesterday at 07:08:27 AM »
Isn't religion a way (satisfying to many) to deal with life's biggest questions?
Is it?

Is trigonometry a way to deal with questions like "should I lend this person money?"  Is that a 'big' question or a 'small' question?  How much effort do you put into assessing how you answer that question?  Do you put more effort into assessing how you answer more important questions, or do you put less effort into assessing how you answer more important questions?

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How did we get here/where do we come from?
What is the point of our existence?
Why do we die and what happens when we die?
Interesting questions.  Does it matter whether or not a response to those questions is correct?

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So if we want to say no religion adequately helps wrestle with these questions than how do we wrestle with these questions?
If I said "randomly arrange letters until I get a sentence that makes me stop asking those questions," would you say that is an effective way to wrestle with those questions?

In what was is religion an effective way to wrestle with those questions?

Welcome to the forum, Dmeadows.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?
« Last post by junebug72 on Yesterday at 07:06:40 AM »
Isn't religion a way (satisfying to many) to deal with life's biggest questions?

How did we get here/where do we come from?
What is the point of our existence?
Why do we die and what happens when we die?

So if we want to say no religion adequately helps wrestle with these questions than how do we wrestle with these questions?

Welcome to the Forum Dmeadows.

First off hyperbole.  It will take more than your words to show that many are "satisfied".  Many are on a list but as to whether they are satisfied there is no way to know. 

To answer your question; how do we wrestle with these questions?  Become a scientist! ;) 

I'm here because my mom and dad got it on.  I give my own purpose to MY life.  I don't wrestle with these questions since becoming an atheist.  It does not matter as much as the here and now.  I'm here and that's all that matters.

I will say religion raises more questions than it has ever answered.  What big question does religion answer that does not lead to more questions? 

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Killing in the name of Charlotte's Web?
« Last post by junebug72 on Yesterday at 06:43:39 AM »
We don't hate god or wish it I'll will.  We don't believe they exist.  You still have not answered your own question or ours.  This reply is a sarcastic blow off insulting to our intelligence and sealing up yours in a clown suit.

Now you beg the question why don't Yahweh do his genociding.  Why make killers out of man after commanding them not to kill? 

I don't believe the Bible is the word of a God so me not thinks god is cruel.  Me thinks it not real.
I have rarely run into a theist that doesn't engage in presuppositionalism.  How many times are we going to hear this argument that we're just angry at God and therefore deny him?  It never even occurs to them that God may not exist and that everything is happening through random chance.  Skep points out that he could be stabbed and die tomorrow and he still wouldn't hate God.  I believe him - in fact, he could have five daughters and all of them raped and killed by a Ted Bundy type, and he'd still love God.  He'd just read the Book of Job and see himself.  That was the brilliance (at the time) of that story.  It convinced people that no matter what happens in life, you should just have faith with no evidence.  It gave a perfect excuse for why terrible things happen - God is just testing us.  They tried to eliminate random occurrence as the reason bad things happened, and many people at the time bought it.
The argument is not "just have faith with no evidence." The argument is that we know that God never promised us a carefree life. Atheists have this bizarre belief that if God exists, everyone's life should be perfect with no problems whatsoever. Don't know where they get it from.

Answer the questions that have been asked in this thread or go away; Please. 

1) How do people use Christianity to rape and pillage; do evil?
2) Why does god need worship?
3) Why doesn't God do his own genociding after "commanding" us NOT TO kill?

Jesus promised to answer anything you ask in his name.  He said we could do greater deeds than him, move mountains.  If this were true people would pray for people not to die, there would be a lot less death.  People pray for world peace and yet there is no world peace.  People pray over their food but they still get salmonella.  Please quote the scripture where "God" said we are not promised a carefree life; not David.

Your book says both things.  David or a prophet said that about it raining on the just and unjust.  Jesus says you can ask for it not to rain and it will be done.  As you can see your bible is bi-polar.  Your book should be medicated.  OR..there are no TMTrue Christians.
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I will assume that you are trying to argue that "God must take care of flowers and birds by never allowing them to die or get eaten?" As you can see, that is mentioned in my previous post and is basically just a personal opinion, an emotional argument, which has no bearing on God's existence.

We know why you received 647 negatives on your comments, but who the hell gave you 140 positives?

Balls to the wall ex atheist, my ass! If you truly had a lack of belief in gods, there is no way you'd be defending a corrupt religion and it's god as staunchly as you do. Wake TFU! You've gotten beaten down with so much logic and reason, yet you still come back as if you have a strong case for your faith belief. Give it up already!
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I am well aware that God orders killings in the OT. Whatever the reason for it, we were never promised a perfect life from birth til death. I could get stabbed in the throat tomorrow and die. Does that mean I would hate God or wish him ill will? No way.

wow, nice way to see that Skep ignores the rest of his bible when convenient. Christianity does promise that the life of a believer *will* be perfect, right when JC says that this god will take care of you better than the lilies and the birdies.   Of course, maybe JC was just being snarky, and was remarking on what an incompetent figure God was.  Yep, guys, you know how well God takes care of flowers and birds.  They die, they get eaten, and wow, and we'll be taken care of that well?   Gee, I hope he doesn't take care of me that well....."  It could be a Mitchell and Webb Look sketch.   :D

Skep, you are quite a sycophant, where you will ignore anything awful that a powerful figure does.   You don't care, as long as you can pretend that this entity will treat you better.  Now, what I'm guessing is that you'll insist that you are "just following orders".

I will assume that you are trying to argue that "God must take care of flowers and birds by never allowing them to die or get eaten?" As you can see, that is mentioned in my previous post and is basically just a personal opinion, an emotional argument, which has no bearing on God's existence.
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We don't hate god or wish it I'll will.  We don't believe they exist.  You still have not answered your own question or ours.  This reply is a sarcastic blow off insulting to our intelligence and sealing up yours in a clown suit.

Now you beg the question why don't Yahweh do his genociding.  Why make killers out of man after commanding them not to kill? 

I don't believe the Bible is the word of a God so me not thinks god is cruel.  Me thinks it not real.

I have rarely run into a theist that doesn't engage in presuppositionalism.  How many times are we going to hear this argument that we're just angry at God and therefore deny him?  It never even occurs to them that God may not exist and that everything is happening through random chance.  Skep points out that he could be stabbed and die tomorrow and he still wouldn't hate God.  I believe him - in fact, he could have five daughters and all of them raped and killed by a Ted Bundy type, and he'd still love God.  He'd just read the Book of Job and see himself.  That was the brilliance (at the time) of that story.  It convinced people that no matter what happens in life, you should just have faith with no evidence.  It gave a perfect excuse for why terrible things happen - God is just testing us.  They tried to eliminate random occurrence as the reason bad things happened, and many people at the time bought it.

The argument is not "just have faith with no evidence." The argument is that we know that God never promised us a carefree life. Atheists have this bizarre belief that if God exists, everyone's life should be perfect with no problems whatsoever. Don't know where they get it from.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?
« Last post by Dmeadows on Yesterday at 12:11:13 AM »
Isn't religion a way (satisfying to many) to deal with life's biggest questions?

How did we get here/where do we come from?
What is the point of our existence?
Why do we die and what happens when we die?

So if we want to say no religion adequately helps wrestle with these questions than how do we wrestle with these questions?
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Chatter / Re: The End of Meaningless Jobs Will Unleash the World’s Creativity
« Last post by jaimehlers on August 23, 2016, 09:19:57 PM »
That's all well and good until you realize that for every person who can be innovative and creative, there's probably at least a dozen who never learned how to be creative and who will not, therefore, have any reasonable way to make a living wage.  Consider the kind of education the majority of people get, which involves sitting in a classroom, memorizing and regurgitating facts.  How is that supposed to promote innovation and creativity in the minds of those who it was inflicted on?  Never mind stuff produced solely for consumption which doesn't require people to seriously work at it.
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Chatter / The End of Meaningless Jobs Will Unleash the World’s Creativity
« Last post by shnozzola on August 23, 2016, 08:22:22 PM »
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As technology progresses, indications are that “putting people back to work” will become less feasible. EconomistsErik Brynjolfsson and Andrew McAfee have charted what they refer to as “the great decoupling.” They have found that productivity, or output per hour of work, has quadrupled since 1947 in the United States while employment has not risen at nearly the same rate. What this means is that many companies are producing more goods and services without having to employ more people.
Other research suggests in the next 15 to 20 years, 45 percent of all existing employment will become automated. Even more startling, there’s little to suggest new jobs will be created at the pace necessary to compensate for this loss.

Moreover, if Kurzweil is representative of how even a fraction of people would fill their time when they are no longer engaged in meaningless employment, then the future seems likely to be filled with even more innovations and even more creative achievements. “Do you think innovation is going to stop?” asks Kurzweil. “It’s going to explode.”

If that prediction holds any merit, then imagine the leaps we would make if every 9-to-5 laborer who watched Star Trek growing up was working on making warp speed a reality.

http://singularityhub.com/2015/04/01/the-end-of-meaningless-jobs-is-a-win-for-us-all/

(Trying to post the 11 minute video from youtube, but vimeo only for now)

https://vimeo.com/110848025
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