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Chatter / Re: Why do old people hate young people?
« Last post by Emma286 on Yesterday at 04:22:37 PM »
Appreciating that this is a bit off subject. But is dude a word for females as well as males?

Didn't even remember albeto was a woman.

Haha, okay!
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Chatter / Re: Why do old people hate young people?
« Last post by One Above All on Yesterday at 04:21:26 PM »
Appreciating that this is a bit off subject. But is dude a word for females as well as males?

Didn't even remember albeto was a woman.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Genesis 3:22
« Last post by YouCantHandleTheTruth on Yesterday at 03:08:56 PM »

1.) Is forgiveness always realistically possible?

2.) Is it even always necessary so long as one can forget or mostly forget about the wrong doer in question?

I've had that question with number 1 and to be honest, I don't think it's always possible.  If someone killed someone very important to you, like your daughter, could your forgiveness really be sincere?  I just can't see it.  Look at the case of Mark Klaas.  In 1993, his daughter Polly was kidnapped, raped and murdered by an intruder to his home during a sleepover she had with friends.  In court at his sentencing, the murderer claimed that Polly said her father Mark had sexually abused her.  This absolutely enraged Mark and he had to be held back from attacking the murderer. 

Ask a Christian Question 1 to their face - and pay close attention to their body language and facial expressions when first asked the question.  Then take the inevitable answer (of course I would forgive, just as Jesus forgave us our sins) with a grain of salt.  Talk is very cheap - incredibly, there are those Christians that would forgive.  The families of the victims of Dylan Roof were incredible but what anger are they holding back?  Did they really completely forgive, or are they trying to give off an appearance of being Christian?  Who knows?  Either way, it was an amazing display of self control.  However, I think they were the exception rather than the rule when it comes to Christians (or anyone).  Why should we have to forgive someone for doing something like that?  It's silly.  I wonder if those that genuinely believe in the concepts of forgiveness and heaven have fears about having to encounter these killers in heaven? 


What does it even mean to forgive, but never forget?  Have you ever heard that expression before?  I don't understand it.  The connotation there seems to indicate that you haven't really forgiven, because it will always haunt you and you will always harbor anger.

On question 2, you hope the wrong doer does come to you and ask for forgiveness.  Who knows if that even will happen?  If it's something minor, it gives you the ability to say "That's fine, you're forgiven, but try not to do that to other people moving forward."  That type of forgiveness might be good, because it can prevent this person from continuing to make the same mistakes over and over without acknowledging it's wrong.
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Chatter / Re: Why do old people hate young people?
« Last post by Emma286 on Yesterday at 03:05:59 PM »
Appreciating that this is a bit off subject. But is dude a word for females as well as males?

For some reason I thought before that it was a guy term!

And don't experience and intelligence go hand in hand to a point? We gain knowledge from experiences after all!
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Chatter / Re: Why do old people hate young people?
« Last post by albeto on Yesterday at 02:49:45 PM »
Dude, we have statements from adults in every generation dating back thousands of years complaining about "today's youth". Do you think I'm stereotyping when this is documented historical fact?

Just because stereotypes are documented doesn't mean many (most?) people are engaging in those stereotypes, or are actively hostile to people based on them.

I am indeed hostile toward condescension and arrogance.

And what about irony?
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Anfauglir, I'm curious - what reasons can you come up with for why someone would want to try to convince someone else to adopt a moral framework that differs from the one they[1] currently follow?

Objective...subjective...relative...absolute...I want to push those modifiers aside for the moment and see where this goes.
 1. the person they are trying to convince
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Chatter / Re: Why do old people hate young people?
« Last post by One Above All on Yesterday at 02:09:25 PM »
My point is that stereotypes are an unreliable means by which we may examine human behavior. However, I do see and recognize and can appreciate your general view, if I'm allowed to scale it back and try and apply it to be less accusatory.

Dude, we have statements from adults in every generation dating back thousands of years complaining about "today's youth". Do you think I'm stereotyping when this is documented historical fact?

But, back to your question. Why do people, as they get older, hang on to nostalgic beliefs, despite the inaccuracies of these beliefs? <snip> My guess is as people age, their habits are harder to break. <snip>

This is an interesting perspective. I'll have to think about it and how well it explains my observations.

Also, if you're as hostile to unexpected challenges offline as you seem online, perhaps you generate more hostility than others, which would explain why you witness more hostility than others.

I am indeed hostile toward condescension and arrogance.
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Chatter / Re: Why do old people hate young people?
« Last post by One Above All on Yesterday at 02:02:55 PM »
This is the only post claiming that an older person's opinions are automatically worth more than younger people's opinions solely based on age that I didn't reply to, just FYI.

You started off with a vague generalization based on limited personal experience and passed down stories. When stuffin responded - reasonably and politely - you repeatedly said the things he said were condescending, saying also that life was wasted on old people, and that he himself was condescending later on in the post. While this doesn't justify the way he responded, it most certainly explains it.

The statements stuffin made are generic insulting statements made by old people, one of which[1] is the reverse of my "life is wasted on the old" statement. I point this out in my analysis of those statements.

This also explains why other people do not seem to be sharing your experiences - because they have different attitudes towards older people.

You're assuming that I'm aggressive toward old people as a default, which isn't true. I'm respectful until they're not.

Instead of complaining about them, and considering them a waste of life, you might try being more patient and willing to pay attention to the experience they have accumulated, which naturally exceeds your own.

I am willing to pay attention. However...

This is true no matter how smart you are; as the saying goes, youth and power doesn't measure up well against age and experience.

This is an absurd statement. I'm not going to listen to the advice of someone who played 1000 games of chess and won 1 of them over the advice of someone who played 100 and won them all. Intelligence is more important than experience, and age does not automatically confer either.

Or, you can continue the way you are, and end up becoming grumpy/hateful when it's your turn to get old. It's really up to you.

Will I have a cool beard? I'm just wondering, since you can see possible futures.
 1. Youth is wasted on the young.
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Chatter / Re: Why do old people hate young people?
« Last post by albeto on Yesterday at 02:01:32 PM »
define "old" and "young"

I want to know where I fall  :)

My personal definition is a person becomes old the moment they reject the latest technology as "unnecessary" and complain when others enjoy it. From cell phones to personal recognition software to the fidget spinner, when someone complains of people enjoying something new, something they don't have and don't want, I think of that as the day they graduate to "old." My brother in law mentioned something like this once when he recognized he simply wasn't interested in learning how to set up and use an MP3 player. He has umpteen gazillion CDs and that's good enough for him. I don't think he complains about "kids these days" though, so he hasn't quite graduated to "old." ;-)
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Chatter / Re: Why do old people hate young people?
« Last post by velkyn on Yesterday at 01:56:01 PM »
I had a sociology class that had book that stated: "you are where you were when".   The elderly, in this case, who grew up during the Depression, did indeed hoard, wash out plastic bags, wash out plastic containers.
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