« Last post by wheels5894 on Today at 01:26:25 PM »
Skeptic, you do realise that if you don't get an answer that could indicate that Natlegend is your god - because your god never answers anyone either?
Nonsense, I get answered prayers.
The main difference between theists and atheists is that theists understand that God says "No" sometimes. It would be foolish to say "My parents don't exist" when they say "No" wouldn't it?
Atheists most likely prayed to God, got pissed God said no, got an ego and said, "God would answer MY prayer! He must not be real!" and they give up.
Well, that might be right. Well, it would be if people all got a response from god. In fact, the majority of people who pray to god are left with the position are realising they are not going to get what they asked for or, and this is quite common, look around at all sorts of things to see if the answer from god might be very different from what they asked. This is where prayer is a bit a dodgy thing to manage - because some people claim they hear a response and some people do not.
I'm not getting into the question of whether Jesus promised prayers would or would not be answered, but I am concerned that so many time - possibly every time, a very sick person person is prayed for but the illness carries on the exact same course a a person who was not prayed for. Quick thought experiment here. You father is one of 20 people on a cancer ward and they all have a form of cancer where the recovery rate is just 5% (maybe pancreatic cancer). Now, you pray for your father to get better and so do the other 19 families. A while later and only one patient is alive - your father and 18 other have died. Did god answer any prayers? If your relative died you would probably question that whilst the family of the patient who lived will be thanking god for a long time. What, though, if there is not a god at all? The result would be the same 5% survival rate. How do you tell the difference between god being there listing to prayers and hi,m being only an illusion and not existing?
Well, God allows people to die at all kinds of ages. This is why you see young children die, or really old people, and sometimes 40 year olds die.
Everyone plays a role in life.
I didn't ask for platitudes but a straight answer of how one can tell, in this though experiment if there is a god or not. I assume from your silence that you have no answer as, in reality, there is no way of telling. This means that the million or billions of prayers to save the life or heal people have all fallen on deaf ears. The alternative possibility is that the god people pray to is and only exists in the mind of the person praying. This accounts for the fact that they claim to get responses (from the sub conscious brain) but nothing physical ever happens.