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That sir, is above my pay scale
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Now We Can Hear Your God
« Last post by Mr. Blackwell on Today at 03:33:56 PM »
I don't know what dreams you guys are having but mine are typically visually stunning and or extremely bizarre and mind bending. Although, I would be interested in seeing my nightmares...that is not what I was talking about. I don't have bad dreams very often.
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The something that created us could be anything. We might be the product of another god, or gods, or aliens, or alien humanoids, or even ourselves! We might exist in a real world, or in a simulation, created by any of the aforementioned candidates. Or we may owe our existence to something not yet identified, that created us using some methodology not yet understood. But the simple fact remains that intelligent design has not been proven, so there still exists the very real possibility that we are not designed, and that we are nothing more than the product of chance emergence. All we really know is that we exist; maybe we’re the first, maybe we’re not.

Very good! Cover all bases!

Seriously, though, how do we find the evidence to choose between the vast number of possibilities.
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The something that created us could be anything. We might be the product of another god, or gods, or aliens, or alien humanoids, or even ourselves! We might exist in a real world, or in a simulation, created by any of the aforementioned candidates. Or we may owe our existence to something not yet identified, that created us using some methodology not yet understood. But the simple fact remains that intelligent design has not been proven, so there still exists the very real possibility that we are not designed, and that we are nothing more than the product of chance emergence. All we really know is that we exist; maybe we’re the first, maybe we’re not.
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I don't believe I said anything about my belief. So maybe I should. I do believe all life was intelligently designed. Back in my Christian days, I found my faith bolstered by arguments for design. Biological life was complex, and I was convinced that it could not have arisen without the help of an intelligent designer. But I did not find the arguments for Christianity nearly as compelling as those for design. Even if we were designed, it does not necessarily follow that we were designed by the God of the Bible.

You have an alternative hypothesis?
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1. If there is no evidence of any of the gods (gone off to play golf perhaps) then why does anyone decide to be a follower of them?

2. Answered prayers are, potentially, evidence of the god that did the answering. Gods that leave no evidence of themselves thus cannot answer prayers, so why to their adherents pray?

3. Why would the gods all decide to leave no evidence today when they were all pretty chatty to people in the long distant past - even fathering the odd child. What happened, did they get bored?

1) that is just self evident, Because god is real, look at a rainbow and the Miami Dolphins.

2) because prayers are all answered, you just don't like the answer.  Yes, NO, and  wait, wait is really yes with a delay counter in place.  so all prayers are really answered with YES NO answers.

3) There is only one god hiding, the rest hide because they are fakes and really are not hiding they just dont exist:)
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I don't believe I said anything about my belief. So maybe I should. I do believe all life was intelligently designed. Back in my Christian days, I found my faith bolstered by arguments for design. Biological life was complex, and I was convinced that it could not have arisen without the help of an intelligent designer. But I did not find the arguments for Christianity nearly as compelling as those for design. Even if we were designed, it does not necessarily follow that we were designed by the God of the Bible.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: puffdaddy and King_me discuss god
« Last post by Boots on Today at 02:55:53 PM »
He could have just as easily snuffed out anyone who is opposed to all that is good. 

Which he (supposedly) did, in Sodom & Gomorah, and all of Noah's contemporaries.  How'd those work out?
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Yet the truth of the matter was that it was the 'tiny creatures in the fleas' that were killing them, even if they had no way of working it out at the time.

as proof of god might one day show itself when we build a microscope strong enough to see the made by god stamp on every sub atomic particle and the 10 commandments written in english,  across the stars only able to be viewed from outside the galaxy. 200 light years above the spinning disk centered directly above earth and facing the SMBH in the center.   Alas we just are not capable of proving god yet :-)
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Consider for a moment that every god in the history of the world also refuses to reveal itself to you. (Isn’t that an amazing coincidence?) Baal, Zeus, Mazda, Vishnu, Thor, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, they too are all invisible and they all have good excuses for not appearing to you. Even if it’s claimed they once appeared, they will most certainly have a good excuse for not appearing to you right now.
 And gods are not the only ones excusing themselves from having to meet the burden of proof. Every spirit, monster, UFO alien, Sasquatch, fairy, leprechaun, chupacabra, and unicorn has a good excuse for not providing proof. It’s never that they don’t exist, it’s always because they are rare, or invisible, or small, or elusive, or on vacation, or they want you to do something before they will reveal themselves, or there is a government conspiracy covering them up.
 The God of the Jews is no different; instead of just providing proof, we hear excuses for why the burden of proof can never be met.


No real need to suppose - it is exactly the position we are in today. So, what questions arise from this state?

1. If there is no evidence of any of the gods (gone off to play golf perhaps) then why does anyone decide to be a follower of them?

2. Answered prayers are, potentially, evidence of the god that did the answering. Gods that leave no evidence of themselves thus cannot answer prayers, so why to their adherents pray?

3. Why would the gods all decide to leave no evidence today when they were all pretty chatty to people in the long distant past - even fathering the odd child. What happened, did they get bored?
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