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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why do atheists refer to the Laws of Moses, or the Torah Law to try to prove Ch

« Last post by Graybeard on Yesterday at 06:34:39 PM »

Many Jews do not follow those laws today either, and my references show that the Jewish faith claims that many of them are outdated and do not apply as well.

No, you still have it wrong. Judaism (or as you say "the Jewish faith") still states the laws. Some Jews don't bother with the laws.

This is the point I am trying to make.

Then you did not try hard enough.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Don't expect an atheist president anytime soon

« Last post by Betelnut on Yesterday at 06:29:45 PM »

Thanks Wright,
I am not trying to troll, however, as I have stated several times, I believe the atheist argument to be hypocritical. What is your point (ie. atheists) for posting Bible contradictions? Most well informed Christians are well aware of them. We also know how many Epistles that Paul is actually credited with, we know when the Bible was put together, yet atheists still post this, and a whole bunch of other stuff that is offensive to Christians. So, to answer your question, I am just playing the game, if you do it, then so can I.

That's not the definition of "hypocritical."

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why do atheists refer to the Laws of Moses, or the Torah Law to try to prove Ch

« Last post by holybuckets on Yesterday at 05:32:14 PM »

Greybeard,
Let's take your argument. According to the article you provided:
According to the 2000 National Jewish Population Survey (NJPS), 21% of American Jews report that they keep kosher in the home.

That being said, what does 21% of the Jewish population eating kosher foods have to do with Jesus? Christianity? Jesus rising from the dead? I believe this is the point I was trying to make.

Jesus was a Jew and I would expect that he require his followers to be faithful to the Jewish doctorines. Christianity has really nothing to do with Jesus,as it was "invented" long after his "death"

Since you atheists are into proving what you say. Please give proof that Christianity was "invented" long after Jesus death. Secondly, how much sense does it make that Jesus required his followers to be faithful to the Jewish doctrine?

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Don't expect an atheist president anytime soon

« Last post by wright on Yesterday at 05:27:48 PM »

Thanks Wright,
I am not trying to troll, however, as I have stated several times, I believe the atheist argument to be hypocritical. What is your point (ie. atheists) for posting Bible contradictions? Most well informed Christians are well aware of them. We also know how many Epistles that Paul is actually credited with, we know when the Bible was put together, yet atheists still post this, and a whole bunch of other stuff that is offensive to Christians. So, to answer your question, I am just playing the game, if you do it, then so can I. 

Point taken. Though not all Christians are as well informed as you, and fail to comprehend what the Bible actually says about certain things. Not to mention how it has been shown to be flat-out wrong in areas where it makes testable claims.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why do atheists refer to the Laws of Moses, or the Torah Law to try to prove Ch

« Last post by 12 Monkeys on Yesterday at 05:14:58 PM »

Greybeard,
Let's take your argument. According to the article you provided:
According to the 2000 National Jewish Population Survey (NJPS), 21% of American Jews report that they keep kosher in the home.

That being said, what does 21% of the Jewish population eating kosher foods have to do with Jesus? Christianity? Jesus rising from the dead? I believe this is the point I was trying to make.

Jesus was a Jew and I would expect that he require his followers to be faithful to the Jewish doctorines. Christianity has really nothing to do with Jesus,as it was "invented" long after his "death"

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Religion In The News / Re: A creationist and I have a 'discussion'...

« Last post by mrbiscoop on Yesterday at 05:05:24 PM »

IMHO redacted works better than obfuscated.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why do atheists refer to the Laws of Moses, or the Torah Law to try to prove Ch

« Last post by holybuckets on Yesterday at 04:55:08 PM »

This may help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_the_old_covenant

My point once again is that Christians do not live nor follow those laws that many atheists keep referring to. Many Jews do not follow those laws today either, and my references show that the Jewish faith claims that many of them are outdated and do not apply as well. This is the point I am trying to make.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why do atheists refer to the Laws of Moses, or the Torah Law to try to prove Ch

« Last post by screwtape on Yesterday at 04:42:18 PM »

even the Jews admit these laws do not apply anymore. The Jews claim that since the destruction of the second Temple, many of the laws have gone away (their words (Jews) not mine).

That is completely untrue.  For orthodox jews, all the laws still apply. They do not stone people to death for breaking the laws because there is no king, no high priest and there are no judges who are authorized to determine guilt.  If they had them, you can be sure they would be stoning harlots by the dozen.

Similarly, they do not sacrifice animals anymore because the temple in jerusalem has been demolished for about 2000 years.  Not because they don't need to sacrifice animals.

Your links do nothing for your argument.  You should read them before posting them.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why do atheists refer to the Laws of Moses, or the Torah Law to try to prove Ch

« Last post by Aaron123 on Yesterday at 04:27:30 PM »

The Laws of Moses or the Torah Laws are found mostly in the first five books of the Old Testament.  Laws like:  it's a sin to eat shellfish (Leviticus 11:12,Deuteronomy 14:10); or an uncircumcised Kohen must not eat Terumah (Exodus 12:48). There are many more examples and even the Jews admit these laws do not apply anymore. The Jews claim that since the destruction of the second Temple, many of the laws have gone away (their words (Jews) not mine).  But yet atheists continue to “beat the dead horse” claiming that the Bible is NOT true and there is NO God and cite these outdated laws as a source of reference. Why?

Sounds like you're saying that the laws in the bible--laws that, mind you, supposely were dictated by god-- are subjective.

You might want to have a little talk with mhaberling and other christains that subscribes to the "objective morality" arguement...

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Evolution & Creationism / Re: 5 most irritating terms in evolution reporting

« Last post by screwtape on Yesterday at 04:17:28 PM »

When pressed though, in a real discussion where you are graded on whether you understand the subject matter or not, many people are surprised how little they really did not know about the subject. 

The illusion of knowledge.  It is one of the six mental illusions discussed in the fantastic book "The Invisible Gorilla".  I highly recommend it.

Kin is correct in saying it is connected to Dunning Kruger.  In my opinion, Hanlon's razor is more powerful than Occam's.