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General Religious Discussion / Re: where the hell is hell going?
« Last post by Airyaman on Today at 11:36:47 AM »
God can certainly exist with sin. Job states satan came into his presence on more than one occasion, and we all know satan was sin personified. So that excuse doesn't fly.

Not really. In the Job stories we have the satan, meaning the accuser such as in a trial. The article is not applied, generally to names so we can be pretty certain as to that. Sure the word got hijacked later to mean something else but we can be pretty firm that this setting of this book presents the heavenly court with god and so forth and, or course, the accuser.

Yes, but it is a Christian belief that the satan of Job is one in the same, and it is also a Christian belief that sin cannot be in the presence of God. I agree if you go back to the original Hebrew thought, sure, but they (the Hebrews) do not claim such a thing for heaven (or that there is a hell).
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Bible God/Jesus is a Pervert
« Last post by junebug72 on Today at 11:35:09 AM »
I hope JST went to think about the links I hope he just read.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: where the hell is hell going?
« Last post by wheels5894 on Today at 11:28:27 AM »
God can certainly exist with sin. Job states satan came into his presence on more than one occasion, and we all know satan was sin personified. So that excuse doesn't fly.

Not really. In the Job stories we have the satan, meaning the accuser such as in a trial. The article is not applied, generally to names so we can be pretty certain as to that. Sure the word got hijacked later to mean something else but we can be pretty firm that this setting of this book presents the heavenly court with god and so forth and, or course, the accuser.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: where the hell is hell going?
« Last post by Airyaman on Today at 11:24:54 AM »
God can certainly exist with sin. Job states satan came into his presence on more than one occasion, and we all know satan was sin personified. So that excuse doesn't fly.
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Are you saying that there is no evolutionary process/mechanism capable of producing new genetic information and/or the process does not involve modifying genes without some form of manual intervention? Just looking for some clarification.

No, I am not saying that, I am saying you are looking for the wrong thing because you don't know anything about the subject, as I said,.....This proves the OP that some christians do not (want to) understand evolution.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I read through the paper you provided and this experiment you pointed me to does nothing to support macroevolution. The experiment consisted of triggering a genetic switch during the embryonic development stage in order to activate genes that were ALREADY PRESENT for teeth. Now, if the experiment had produced new genes and a new biological function or structure emerged, then you would have been onto something. I'm looking for evidence where the genetic information didn't already exist in the gene pool of the creature.

You are looking for the wrong thing.


Let's go with your accusation that I do not understand this topic and that I am looking for the wrong thing. What should I be looking for? School me.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: where the hell is hell going?
« Last post by wheels5894 on Today at 11:21:47 AM »
Mysterious Ways!

Well, that's the standard answer to questions that are too hard, or embarrassing to answer. I think the standard sort of reply would be that god being holy cannot manage to exist with sin and so, if people are unrepentant, they cannot enter heaven and must go elsewhere - elsewhere where god is not and that is hell. After all, if this god existed, he would give everyone right up to their last breath the chance to repent but after that it's too late.

Of course, as there is no god, we have nothing to bother about as we will all return to the state we were before we were born when we die.
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Forum Questions & Suggestions / Re: Blocked by server firewall
« Last post by Nam on Today at 11:21:17 AM »
Nerd.

;)

-Nam
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General Religious Discussion / Re: where the hell is hell going?
« Last post by Airyaman on Today at 11:18:07 AM »
Hell is punishment to the hell believer. Just like jail for criminals, except the sentence is eternal. To the hell believer, the person bound for hell is going there for their own choices.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: where the hell is hell going?
« Last post by junebug72 on Today at 11:15:06 AM »
Well, that is how you believe. Others (the hell believers) just believe that the person in hell deserved it, because they denied Jesus. They made their choice!

I really don't think you got my point.  Wouldn't a more loving human being think I hope he/she was forgiven? 

Like my dad never said my perv brother went to hell.  My adulterous mother has to be there.  All along he was committing adultery too by remarrying 2 times.  I can't imagine either one of my parents in hell or my brother for that matter.

My son and his half siblings are not close because they believe he is going to hell and me too of course.  Not their dad who fornicated with me.  Not their pop who left grandma for a man.  I'm asking you airyaman how can you have a value system that commands love and believe in hell?
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We ought to be fair to the JWs as they are a relatively new religion. In effect other denominations have been changing over the years - it's just they take longer and we hardly notice. Still, look at the Catholics and birth control. Or look at the changes that have taken place over gay marriage and, or course, female clergy. Everyone is doing this changing the interpretation to make things fit in with society's norms - after all Christians were justified practising slavery under the way the bible was then interpreted but after abolition of slavery, suddenly, a new interpretation showed how bad slavery was.

Mind, after 2,000 years, one would have thought interpretations would have settled down but I suppose it's all about denominations trying to carve out for themselves a unique place where they and only they are right and everyone else is wrong. Oh, hang on, that';s how it always was, isn't it?
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