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The Emergency Room / Re: Lukvance
« Last post by jaimehlers on Yesterday at 09:13:53 PM »
It is a bad idea to assume that people reported you simply because they were out of arguments.  To put it in a way that might get through to you, you committed the deadly sin of pride - you assumed that because you held fast to your arguments, that they were superior, when in fact, you seldom addressed what people were trying to tell you very well, and gave opposing arguments very short shrift.

In fact, you did it to Graybeard just now.  He stated that you had the highest number of reported posts of anyone he could remember; your response was to act like the people who reported you had run out of arguments, and thus to act like they were at fault for not having better arguments, than to consider that your own conduct might have been at fault.

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I did not ask you that question because I wanted to hear your beliefs, or to discuss them with you; I asked you it to see how you would answer.  And you answered in the way I expected - with rhetoric about your beliefs, rather than anything resembling a straightforward answer (which is undoubtedly one of the things you were reported for).  It is as if you were asked what 2 + 2 was, and instead of the straightforward answer, you presented rhetoric about why that was the answer.  And you did not understand that your rhetoric was largely getting in the way.  You still do not understand that as far as I can tell, and that is a large part of the reason that you are here now - in the hopes that you will come to understand it.
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   I have always taken the story of "Eden"  as just a reference to evolution - to our brain's development (the tree of knowledge) - allowing us to worry, to "realize," separating us from the other animals (throwing us out of Eden).   Sure other animals have good levels of intelligence, but as the news hour showed tonight, very smart elephants do not understand the danger of a poacher with an AK47. 

{Genesis 3:7   Then both of them knew things they had never known before. They realized they were naked.}

Funny, to search the internet for ways to rationalize evolution and genesis teachings together, you realize how loudly the 6000 year creationists are yelling - scary.

Interesting reading religion's different interpretations:

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Man
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Chatter / Re: Gas Prices.
« Last post by mrbiscoop on Yesterday at 07:37:11 PM »
Saw gas today in my area...$2.99.  1st time under 3 bucks in a long time.

  It takes the edge off the gas bill when you're cruising for hookers.
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The Emergency Room / Re: Lukvance
« Last post by Lukvance on Yesterday at 07:07:41 PM »
G-Roll why are you treating the Old testament of the Bible as if it was some kind of book depicting factual things?
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The Emergency Room / Re: Lukvance
« Last post by Lukvance on Yesterday at 07:05:40 PM »
I really like the fact that Graybeard underline the reported posts.
Based on the darwins I received, I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of the reported post were from people who were out of arguments. Or,  maybe from people making my answers to other people, theirs.
I like to talk to someone one on one. And usually what is said is said in context of our discussion(s). Some people might interpret badly something I say when it is not addressed to them.
Could you give me some blatant example of these report so we can have an Idea on what they really are about?
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The Emergency Room / Re: Lukvance
« Last post by G-Roll on Yesterday at 07:03:52 PM »
Ask the 42 kids who were mauled by "god bears" for teasing Elisha if they think god punishes.

23Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, "Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!" 24When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25He went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.
http://biblehub.com/2_kings/2-24.htm


But its ok we have two separate explanations on this page as to why it's cool for god to send bears to kill children. Sometimes I wonder how so many people can follow this train of thought. To say "They were bad kids so its ok to rip them to pieces."
I also love how the passage treats the incident like it's no big deal.
 
"It is not said how far the lads were injured, whether fatally or not. But the punishment, whatever its severity, came from God, not from the prophet, and we may be sure was just. For "shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" A severe example may have been needed under the circumstances of the time, when a new generation was growing up in contempt of God and of religion; and the sin of the lads was not a small one, but indicated that determined bent of the will against good, and preference of evil, which is often developed early, and generally goes on from bad to worse."

"and tare forty and two children of them; it seems there were more than these; but such a number of them they tore to pieces and destroyed; which was very extraordinary, and was an awful punishment for their wickedness, which they knowingly and willingly committed, and of their parents in them, who had trained them up in such impiety, and put them upon it, and sent them out to do it."
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Chatter / Re: Gas Prices.
« Last post by shnozzola on Yesterday at 06:58:30 PM »
Oh you Europeans!  Frack, Jack.   May kill us over the short long run, but saving money when driving is more important than life itself.  :o

edit: spelling
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Religion & Society / Re: "Atheists Disgust Us"
« Last post by G-Roll on Yesterday at 06:49:30 PM »
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Halloween is coming, so here’s a tip for those of you who have yet to decide on a costume. If you really want to scare people, dress up as Richard Dawkins. Or Sam Harris.

Or just tell them you’re an atheist.

So.... If one were to dress up as an atheist for Halloween would it be required to be a slutty atheist? That seems to have been the trend for quite a while now.
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The Emergency Room / Re: Lukvance
« Last post by Lukvance on Yesterday at 06:46:36 PM »
"One thing you can start with is to explain, in your own words, why you think God no longer punishes people."
- It is what is taught by the Catholic Church.
When you think of it, God made himself human in order to save us from our mistake. That is not something that a God that punish would do. There is no need for sacrifice from a God who punishes.
Anyway this is a discussion we could have. We just have to create a thread about it if you want to know more about why I believe this or that.
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^ "The Gospel according to Skep?"

catechism -> skeptechism
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