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General Religious Discussion / Re: Good and Evil
« Last post by Jstwebbrowsing on Today at 04:41:27 PM »
...God is reviled for flooding the earth as if it was wrong. Why?

That's quote material right there.

Quoted as a question that you can't answer?

Nope. Quoted as an example of how fanaticism twists morality. You're unironically asking why killing all but a handful of humans is wrong. If you think about that for more than two seconds, possibly taking your god out of the equation, you might arrive at an answer.

It's all subjective.  Wrong to whom?  If we go by the definition that has been given here, was their destruction beneficial/detrimental to humankind?



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General Religious Discussion / Re: Good and Evil
« Last post by One Above All on Today at 04:34:46 PM »
...God is reviled for flooding the earth as if it was wrong. Why?

That's quote material right there.

Quoted as a question that you can't answer?

Nope. Quoted as an example of how fanaticism twists morality. You're unironically asking why killing all but a handful of humans is wrong. If you think about that for more than two seconds, possibly taking your god out of the equation, you might arrive at an answer.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Good and Evil
« Last post by Jstwebbrowsing on Today at 04:32:33 PM »
Apparently there is no right and wrong for jst, other than; if god did it, it's right.

Shows how morally bankrupt he is.

Apparantly there is no right and wrong for eh!, other than' if god die it, it's wrong.

Shows how morally bankrupt he is.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Good and Evil
« Last post by eh! on Today at 04:26:01 PM »
Apparently there is no right and wrong for jst, other than; if god did it, it's right.

Shows how morally bankrupt he is.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Good and Evil
« Last post by Jstwebbrowsing on Today at 04:24:48 PM »
...God is reviled for flooding the earth as if it was wrong.  Why?

That's quote material right there.

Quoted as a question that you can't answer?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Good and Evil
« Last post by Jstwebbrowsing on Today at 04:23:35 PM »
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Good and Evil
« Last post by natlegend on Today at 04:22:01 PM »
...God is reviled for flooding the earth as if it was wrong.  Why?

That's quote material right there.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Good and Evil
« Last post by Jstwebbrowsing on Today at 04:21:40 PM »
Jst, I'm just wondering, has your version of god ever done anything you don't agree with?

I don't make such judgements of the past.  Take flooding the earth for example.  How can I know whether I would agree or disagree without knowing more about the conditions/situation?  Just knowing that it involved the loss of human life is not sufficient information.  The scriptures say they were "ruining the earth".  To me, that means if they were allowed to continue then we might not have a habital earth right now.

Humans seem to be on the crux of that right now.   

I have had him instruct me in things that I did not agree with, at least at first.  An example would be him not wanting me to be a dictator for my family.  Since that is how I was raised, it seemed right to me.  Jehovah instructed me otherwise.  Heeding his instructions has proved very beneficial.
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This gets us into a discussion we have had here before with theists: why bother to pray? God already knows whatever you are going to tell him. Nothing you say is going to change his mind about anything, since everything he does is perfectly well-planned. If your mother is sick, asking god to make her well is pointless. He already decided whether to do that or not, way back when he first made the universe. Oh, of course all answered prayers must look exactly as if god had nothing to do with it. 

God decides to give a woman in need of a kidney transplant a kidney. Because she prayed. But god has to kill a young man to get the kidney. The young man's family prayed that he would be safe that day, but god said screw their prayers. Kill him and give that kidney to the lady. All part of his previously determined loving plan.

Unless you think god is making up his mind about things from moment to moment. Like he is constantly watching a billion cosmic tv monitors in heaven simultaneously, waiting to see some believers fall to their knees and ask for some favor. God first ascertains how sincere the person is-- of course making sure that they are of the correct faith and are praying to the right god. Then he consults his database on that one particular person to see if meet his arcane criteria to see that they are deserving of a granted prayer. 

Next--and this is the most important part-- god cross references how answering this prayer will intersect with his Eternal Plan for Everything in the Universe. Maybe answering the prayer fits with his plan to bring about Armageddon in the next four years. So god says, what the heck? He throws out all the criteria and he answers the prayer, even if the person is not sincere or deserving or even of the right faith. Or maybe the person is deserving and sincere etc, but the prayer does not fit the eternal plan. Prayer has to operate something like that if what believers tell us has any basis at all.[1]

As for thanking god for something, again, he already knows whether you are sufficiently grateful or not.

Prayer is therefore not about communicating with god at all. It is about people reassuring themselves that there is someone (out there, somewhere) who cares about them.

Given that god does not react to your prayers anyway, it does not matter who or what you pray to. Jehovah, Satan, Thor, Ahura Mazda, a raindrop, a hummingbird, your next door neighbor, a carton of juice or your dog. The reaction from god will be exactly the same. Yes, no, maybe, later.

God is not going to do anything different because some humans asked him to change his mind. So other than a feeling that there is someone listening and out of habit, why pray?[2]
 1. Trump, Cruz and some random honest, intelligent, but low income person all pray to get the Republican Presidential nomination. See whose prayers god decided to answer? :o
 2. Habits ingrained from childhood are hard to break--at college even though I no longer believed in god, it was hard not to bow my head over my food. I knew there was nobody listening, but my head still wanted to bow.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Infinite Material Regress?
« Last post by median on Today at 04:06:42 PM »
What is a god/spirit thing made of?

POSITIVE TRAITS (n)   NEGATIVE TRAITS (n)
not physical
not material
not energy
not tangible
not corporeal
not extended in space
not measurable
not testable
not verifiable

Then what the heck is it?!

They are literally trying to talk about nothing and don't realize it.
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