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General Religious Discussion / Re: Would You Ever Torture Your Children With Fire In in the Basement?

« Last post by Hatter23 on Today at 01:36:44 PM »

A system, by definition, denotes intelligence behind it.

You're making things up again. Give me a link to your definition. What are you using, Merriam-Webster?

The onus is on you to describe a system without intelligence. Every job I have ever worked had a system they used ad they taught me the system.

Should I assume the system was created without intelligence?

Why are you trying so hard to prove the Deist version of god, when that isn't the one you believe in?

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Evolution & Creationism / Re: Why are scientists afraid of god?

« Last post by Jag on Today at 01:34:37 PM »

I was personally healed of GERD. My wife was healed of a Life threatning heart condition. Both of these were conditions that should have required surgery to repair. The before condition is documented for both of us. My Wife's after condition is documented by a heart specialist. There was NO treatment of any kind for either condition. Yet praise God, it's gone!
This may be the best I can do for some dude online though.

That sounds amazing. What was the name of this heart specialist? I would like to keep an eye out for the award winning paper he will write about the first ever documented, verifiable miracle.

Did I overlook the reply to this, or has there not been one yet?

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Would You Ever Torture Your Children With Fire In in the Basement?

« Last post by Hatter23 on Today at 01:32:38 PM »

A system, by definition, denotes intelligence behind it.

You're making things up again. Give me a link to your definition. What are you using, Merriam-Webster?

The onus is on you to describe a system without intelligence. Every job I have ever worked had a system they used ad they taught me the system.

Should I assume the system was created without intelligence?

flipping burden of proof, your argument is invalid

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Would You Ever Torture Your Children With Fire In in the Basement?

« Last post by Astreja on Today at 01:23:31 PM »

Please explain how we can think if atoms can not think.

Please explain how atoms can "obey laws" if they cannot think.   

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Would You Ever Torture Your Children With Fire In in the Basement?

« Last post by nogodsforme on Today at 01:13:24 PM »

(Hereafter, I am not going to write any long posts in response to anything from skeptic, because he does not appreciate the effort.)

Intelligence means that the ants have to know what they are doing-- and can do otherwise. Ants are on autopilot. They don't choose to create systems. So, no, there is no intelligence behind ant behavior.

In all of my years of science education, dating back to the 1970's, and at numerous well-regarded institutions, I have never heard of "direct", "indirect" or "historical" science until encountering creationists online. No scientist working in any field uses those terms.

Where the hell are the universities that teach or apply such concepts? 

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Would You Ever Torture Your Children With Fire In in the Basement?

« Last post by RED_ApeTHEIST on Today at 01:12:47 PM »

A system needs intelligence to create it.

Incorrect.  We've actually seen examples of systems (for example, insect hives) that work without the slightest bit of input from intelligence.  Indeed, bees and ants (the most prevalent examples of this) are non-intelligent, yet they are among the most successful insects out there.

Don't ants create systems that flushes carbon monoxide out of their anthills so they don't die?

Sounds intelligent to me.

Define intelligent please.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Would You Ever Torture Your Children With Fire In in the Basement?

« Last post by median on Today at 01:11:12 PM »

Don't ants create systems that flushes carbon monoxide out of their anthills so they don't die?

Sounds intelligent to me.

That's b/c you are (once again, and as always) assuming your own definition of what 'intelligence' means and what a 'system' must be. Go back to Occam's Razor! Human minds interpret and build things that we call 'systems'. It does not logically follow from this that every phenomena we come across in our surroundings was 'created' by some 'intelligence'. You need more than just your bald assertion and/or your argument from ignorance to demonstrate that.

EDIT: Your error is called the Fallacy of Composition.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Would You Ever Torture Your Children With Fire In in the Basement?

« Last post by Zankuu on Today at 01:10:50 PM »

A system, by definition, denotes intelligence behind it.

You're making things up again. Give me a link to your definition. What are you using, Merriam-Webster?

The onus is on you to describe a system without intelligence. Every job I have ever worked had a system they used ad they taught me the system.

You said that a system, by definition, denotes intelligence behind it. I'm asking you to show me the definition, otherwise you're just making it up on your own accord. And you won't be able to do it because you're making it up. So what if every job you've had was designed by human intelligence? That says nothing about systems that aren't designed by humans.

Should I assume the system was created without intelligence?

You shouldn't lump ecosystems and marketing systems and solar systems together. These are different types of systems. You're making the mistake of applying the intelligence required for human systems to systems that don't require self-awareness.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: The Religious "Ask Skeptic" Thread (With Apology To The Atheists)

« Last post by penfold on Today at 01:06:23 PM »

Skeptic,

Ever been laid?

-Nam

Yes, Nam. I discussed this in my other threads. I was a wild one back in the day before I came to Christ. Now, I am celibate by choice until I get married.

Nothing but Jesus could have changed my life. There's no reason to change if there's no God. God is obviously real. There's absolutely no feeling the world like the Holy Spirit flowing through you. Once someone experiences this, no amount of rational argument can dissuade you from the Eternal King.

What was his name?

-Nam

Didnt see this one.... Your on a roll

-Shaffy

Yeah you go Nam! Maybe he's a virgin - maybe he's gay. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo funny! That's why I'm a heterosexual & a sexually active person. Imagine how embarrassed I'd be if that weren't true. I bet that's what skeptic54768 feels like - really embarrassed. And totally defeated. We all know he's wrong because he's either a virgin or gay! Yeah! ... Stupid gay virgin!

And well done Shaffy, good job on the thread. Really contributing to the whole gay virgin thing. Yeah! You go Shaffy!

Have I mentioned how funny this is.

wow...

fucking funny...

Yeah!

 

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Sexuality, Reproduction, & Abortion / Re: Germany and gender

« Last post by Quesi on Today at 01:02:30 PM »

I know that the laws passed in Germany really don't have a major implication on anything, and my post about toilets was in jest. Fairly obviously, I thought.

But, since the topic of public unisex toilets has been discussed, I will say this:

As a parent, if my 12 year old girl needed to use a public toilet there is no way in hell I would let her use it before I checked it to see if any men were also inside. Just no frikking way in hell. If that makes me somehow bigoted, or misyoginst, or whatever, then so be it. I am a father first, and my protective instincts dont give a shit about social niceties or political correctness.

When I was a little girl, and I was out with my dad, he, of course, could not accompany me into a public rest room.  He hover outside of the door that was clearly marked with a stick figure wearing a skirt, and he would send little old ladies in after me, calling my name and embarrassing me.   

If the bathrooms were unisex, he could have stood by the sink, outside the stall door, rather than in the lobby of some movie theater or some mall hallway, hoping i was safe inside the ladies rest room.