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Science / Autism and vaccines
« Last post by Jag on Today at 06:17:36 PM »
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Live links to research, and image free data can be found here: The Science Facts About Autism and Vaccines (you have to scroll down to get the strictly verbiage version)

I'm not sure how I missed this detail previously, but I wasn't aware the the entire "movement" was the result of a single person. But this is a perfect example of bad science - so bad, in fact, it can't really be called science at all.

It bears a striking resemblance to "creation science" and the "study" of "miracles".
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  I just find it ironic that the ones that had to be put down by Christians were Christians, or so say said.  Something doesn't add up.

Ironic?  Hypocritical?  - You're  probably aware of this Jst, it's been written about so much, but in WWI, at Christmas, the American soldiers and the German soldiers realized they were singing the same hymns in different languages.  At one local front the two sides stopped fighting and played football against each other.

http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/christmas-truce-of-1914
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Religion In The News / Re: ISIS
« Last post by Timo on Today at 05:57:42 PM »
I'm an esel?! Hahahahahahah! Yet another hilarious post!  How are you so funny?!
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Religion In The News / Re: ISIS
« Last post by Nam on Today at 05:44:16 PM »
I change my mind, Nam. You're right. I'm wrong.

I look shit up all the time I do not know. I sometimes even state it in topic. There's no shame in looking things up.

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No one has come to me confused about the various acronym's the Islamic State has used over the past few weeks.

Probably because some of them looked it up.

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I obviously should have recognized this as a joke.

You should have or, at the very least looked up or asked what "ESEL" meant.

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I obviously should have goggled esel with the phrase "German translation"

You wouldn't have to. I did it for you: putting in "esel" gives  Wiktionary link at the top explaining its meaning.

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You're right. I'm wrong.

Though I know you're being sarcastic, in this case: you are wrong.

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I've just now learned humor. You're so fucking funny, my dude. Have you thought about writing professionally?

And this makes you an esel.

-Nam
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While it is true that Catholics and Protestants did not start the second world war, this is not what Junebug has implied.  Your response is a red herring which you are using as a straw-man argument.  Of course you ignore the fact that Catholics and Protestants went right along with participating in the second world war.  I personally don’t blame them for doing so though, as Lukvance is partially right in at least one aspect of what he said, namely that “we had to kill in order to preserve the freedom”.  Although that is the point.  How can we live up to the standards set by this god if we cannot rely on this god to act to prevent “evil”?  We must act to do what your god cannot or will not do.   Your god behaves exactly as if he does not exist.

You evidently are not aware of this but Hitler's army was comprised almost entirely of Catholics and Protestants.

Actually, yes, I was aware that Hitler’s army was comprised almost entirely of Catholics and Protestants.  Hence why I said:

… Catholics and Protestants went right along with participating in the second world war.


So yes, Catholics and Protestants did start the war. 

This is where we disagree then unless you believe that the few in power who ruled the German government at the time represents all Catholics and Protestants.  I do not believe that to be the case.  Most of the German public was deceived and misled to believe what the German government was doing was at least necessary if not right.  The few who could not be deceived or misled feared for their lives or indeed were taken away to prison. 

I thought you were being sarcastic, apparently I was wrong and you were quite serious.  Your point that Catholics and Protestants started the second world war is debatable in any case. 

Clergy even prayed for German victory.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some clergy prayed for German victory.  I also wouldn’t be surprised if some clergy also prayed for a swift end to the war and bloodshed.  I’m sure many different people prayed for many different outcomes.



It may be a bit of a red herring but it is true. 

Actually, if what you said was true then it wouldn’t be a red herring.  I thought you were being sarcastic and meant the opposite (that Catholics and Protestants did not start world war II), which would be a red herring.    I don’t know if it is true that Catholics and Protestants started the second world war.  What is your basis for this claim?

I just find it ironic that the ones that had to be put down by Christians were Christians, or so say said.  Something doesn't add up.

Agreed.

Indeed.  Of course we know that your god does not do this.  Your god allows his creation to kill each other in disputes about what he expects of us instead of showing up and clearly communicating what it is that he expects of us.  It is almost exactly as if your god doesn’t exist and humans are just killing each other over their own imaginary beliefs.
World War II was not about what God expects of us. 

I didn’t exactly say that it was.  Although it is clear there was confusion among those who participated in the second world war about what your god expects of us.  History is also full of examples of religious wars in which the opposing sides disagree about what their gods expect of us.

It was about a desire for power over others. 

In overly simplistic terms, I can agree with that.

Those that take Christ seriously do not kill one another. 

Again this is debatable based on perspective.  You are awfully close to using the “no true Scotsman” logical fallacy.

We already are at peace. 

Are we?

So God has done something, at least for those that listen.

Has he?  Of course if you find people who do what you think your god expects them to do then you conclude that your god has done something.  Everyone else isn’t listening apparently.  What you are doing here is shooting an arrow into the wall and then drawing the bull’s-eye exactly where the arrow hit after the fact. 
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I just find it ironic that the ones that had to be put down by Christians were Christians, or so say said.  Something doesn't add up.

Remove this from the equation:
"There exists an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving entity with a vested interest in human affairs."

You'll find it adds up just fine.
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Sometime evil is the source of greater good.
For example : During the second world war we had to kill in order to preserve the freedom.
Should have God intervene? How? Why this time and not the other times?

So why does Jesus say turn the other cheek?  Violence begets violence.  Why bother commanding us not to kill; to turn the other cheek. 

You have no respect for whom you say you believe in.  Neither do warmongers.  hint hint America.  America is a hypocrite. 

God shouldn't interfere in human affairs, ever!

One has to wonder why Catholics and Protestants started a world war to begin with.  Perhaps God should interfere to stop the professing Christians from killing each other.   :o

I've got great news.  God doesn't interfere in the affairs of humans, ever.  He doesn't stop various religions from killing each other.   He doesn't want us to suffer either.

This is all because God is Imaginary, there is no god.   Unicorns don't interfere in human affairs and Santa Clause doesn't stop Christians from killing each other.   Dragons don't fly in and stop Muslims from abusing their women and the Keebler Elves don't stop apostates from being murdered in Muslim countries.

It all works out.

Speak for yourself.  Jehovah has helped me a lot.  And the Bible contains the solution to war.  It's called the Golden Rule.
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While it is true that Catholics and Protestants did not start the second world war, this is not what Junebug has implied.  Your response is a red herring which you are using as a straw-man argument.  Of course you ignore the fact that Catholics and Protestants went right along with participating in the second world war.  I personally don’t blame them for doing so though, as Lukvance is partially right in at least one aspect of what he said, namely that “we had to kill in order to preserve the freedom”.  Although that is the point.  How can we live up to the standards set by this god if we cannot rely on this god to act to prevent “evil”?  We must act to do what your god cannot or will not do.   Your god behaves exactly as if he does not exist.

You evidently are not aware of this but Hitler's army was comprised almost entirely of Catholics and Protestants.  So yes, Catholics and Protestants did start the war.  Clergy even prayed for German victory.

It may be a bit of a red herring but it is true.  I just find it ironic that the ones that had to be put down by Christians were Christians, or so say said.  Something doesn't add up.

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Indeed.  Of course we know that your god does not do this.  Your god allows his creation to kill each other in disputes about what he expects of us instead of showing up and clearly communicating what it is that he expects of us.  It is almost exactly as if your god doesn’t exist and humans are just killing each other over their own imaginary beliefs.

World War II was not about what God expects of us.  It was about a desire for power over others.  Those that take Christ seriously do not kill one another.  We already are at peace.  So God has done something, at least for those that listen.
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Religion In The News / Re: ISIS
« Last post by Timo on Today at 03:48:55 PM »
I change my mind, Nam. You're right. I'm wrong. No one has come to me confused about the various acronym's the Islamic State has used over the past few weeks. I obviously should have recognized this as a joke. I obviously should have goggled esel with the phrase "German translation". You're right. I'm wrong. I've just now learned humor. You're so fucking funny, my dude. Have you thought about writing professionally?
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Religion & Society / Re: Is Service Being Denied?
« Last post by Boots on Today at 03:48:01 PM »
while I agree the FFRF is a bit wonky here, I find this:

"“In fact, if what FFRF is saying were true, restaurants and other businesses would be precluded from giving veterans and military members discounts because that would technically be discriminating based on veteran status,” Sasser tells me. “Is that what FFRF wants? Give me a break!”"

to be stupid.  It'd be more like businesses being preculded from giving non-veterans a discount because that discriminates based on veteran status, jackass.
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