No I believe those the Bible calls "wicked" will suffer the judicial punishment of death. I believe unbelief will be removed from the earth before this occurs.
So right before facing oblivion, I will believe that god exists, through no choice of my own?
How is that going to work?
Just clearly say that yes, god removes our free will prior to his kingdom of heaven arriving on Earth. Near as I can tell, over the years speaking with you, that is precisely what you believe, yet I don't think you've ever explicitly said so. And I think you say the opposite
of that frankly.
I mean, I genuinely do not see any way to accomplish the removal of unbelief without involving the removal of free will.
A violation of free will to is to force someone down a path when another is available.
If this is the case, I cannot, for the life of me, understand why god doesn't just remove unbelief right now
, or thousands of years ago, or at the dawn of sentience
. I'm told by others - maybe by you, maybe not - but I'm told many times that belief in the existence of god is some manner of choice, and that particular choice is something I need to make of my free will volition, and that my eternal fate is in some way tied to that belief/choice
I dunno...maybe we start with this question:
Jstwebbrowsing, in your opinion, is your fate (e.g. heaven or oblivion or whatnot) entirely
dependent upon free willed choices, or are there circumstances and situations that exist that dictate what your eternal fate is that is principally beyond your control - beyond your free will - absolutely independent of any choice
Adam and Eve both are a special case because of their human perfection and their closesness to Jehovah, much like Satan himself. The scriptures show that they were without excuse. They were not unbelievers. They did not make a simple mistake. They actively rebelled against an obvious demonstration of Jehovah's spirit, and this I understand is a way to "blaspheme the Holy Spirit", or commit the unforgivable sin.
The scriptures tell you
that they were without excuse. That is very different from showing
that they were without excuse.
Like...I dunno how you can possibly
read 'human perfection' or whatever from Adam and Eve. They were either imperfect in a way that Jesus wasn't imperfect (and, since Jesus existed at this time, clearly god could compare and contrast Jesus with Adam and Eve and notice the vast differences between Jesus and Adam and Eve), or, at the very least, so immensely stupid and mentally broken as to commit the unforgivable sin in full knowledge that it was an unforgivable sin against the all-mighty master of all-reality, with whom you have daily conversations with.
Look...I get you buy the Adam and Eve story, and that's fine, but it is a very stupid story, showcasing either an incredibly cruel Jehovah, an incredibly stupid Jehovah, or an incredibly cruel and stupid Jehovah. And to even remotely think
that Jehovah is some manner of forgiving creature in light of this story is kind of laughable.
Rebellion is evidenced by their lack of repentant attitude. They, in effect, joined Satan. It would have been just like if Christ had disobeyed Jehovah. The nature of the disobedience is just not the same as most of ours. Those that commit the unforgivable sin do not receive a resurrection. We are all dying because of their rebellion. Our blood is on their hands.
Yeah I guess I just want some clarity here:
Prior to eating the apple, did Adam and/or Eve know it was wrong to do it?
If Satan had explicitly asked Eve or Adam to join him, what do you think Eve or Adam's response would have been and why?