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General Religious Discussion / Re: Don't expect an atheist president anytime soon

« Last post by kin hell on Yesterday at 07:46:29 PM »

Kin,
>snip Christianity's claims have stood the test of time, >snip<

So name xianitys claims, and give some evidence.
Should be easy.

It is very easy. The main claim of Christianity has been that Jesus rose from the dead.  No scholar, group or individual has been able to prove that wrong.  >snip<

fuck buck I thought you were gonna give some compelling evidence of something astounding  ....everybody knows that zombies exist.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: What do you mean by "Atheist"?

« Last post by The Gawd on Yesterday at 07:43:31 PM »

I think it depends on the discussion.

Point is I dont think we can state that no god exists, but we can state that all of the presented god models dont exist AND that there is no reason to think one that hasnt been presented exists. there would be an infinite # god possibilities for us to entertain and who has time for that?

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General Religious Discussion / Re: What do you mean by "Atheist"?

« Last post by Betelnut on Yesterday at 07:18:58 PM »

Theism:  belief in God: belief that one God created and rules humans and the world

Atheism:  the opposite of theism.  Lack of belief in god, lack of belief...yadda yadda yadda.

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Why Won't God Heal Amputees? / Re: Why wont God Heal Amputees? Because He wants to heal their hearts...

« Last post by The Gawd on Yesterday at 07:01:03 PM »

The Gawd


I am a Hindu and yes i need to update and learn rules on how to post in forums and even give replies –so apologies.

As to the discussion, and as a Hindu --what I say is from the many scriptures we have.


I am a firm believer that God exist; because I have read about God and heard about God and would say I have experienced God, (and you might call me a madman for saying that).
But I still cannot claim to know all the answers. I can only tell what i have read, observed and experienced.

In my answers having told you that how I believe that both the followers of God and non-believers of God are right in their own minds, I merely stated that there is a school of thought in Hinduism who believe that the mind is the god.

Since I am a firm believer in God, then I believe in a soul and also that any healing or cure comes with the aid of God (and my karma) because i have asked for his help (as would people of any religion) and it is what I choose to believe happened (is god helped me).

Those who dont ask god for help and who are still cured are in my personal belief that their ‘good’ karma is the reason for their cure, but these non-believers dont think it has anything to do with god or karma. It is their belief and they are right from their view point.

I am certainly not going to argue with anyone and say that ONLY MY WAY IS RIGHT THEREFORE YOU ARE ALL WRONG (You see how arrogant that sounds). I can only tell you what is said in our scriptures and why I view the world differently to you.

Its not a rule that you post an introduction, but it certainly helps the discussions because we would have the context for your posts. We would approach you differently than we would a Christian.

As for your explanation for cures, that would make sense in your context, IF "bad" people werent healed. Also karma would need to explain why they became ill in the 1st place. And the question still remains why god/karma doesnt heel and amputee.

I wouldnt say youre a madman for saying you experienced god, what I think is you had an experience that you incorrectly attributed to a god when there is a natural explanation that doesnt require anything supernatural.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why do atheists refer to the Laws of Moses, or the Torah Law to try to prove Ch

« Last post by jaimehlers on Yesterday at 06:47:43 PM »

Christianity was not founded by Jesus.  It was founded by Paul.  Given that his conversion has been historically dated at 31 ce to 36 ce, there is no chance at all that any of the books of the New Testament had been written at that time, or even by the time of his death in 67 ce.  The earliest, Mark, was written in 70 ce.  That means any references Paul made to religious writings (Scripture) could only have referred to the Old Testament, the Jewish Torah.  So 2 Timothy 3:16 could only have been referring to that, and not to the unwritten Gospels.

By the way, holybuckets, you ignored my earlier post.  I would appreciate a reply.

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Why Won't God Heal Amputees? / Re: Why wont God Heal Amputees? Because He wants to heal their hearts...

« Last post by kiran on Yesterday at 06:44:13 PM »

Azdgari

Too much in a rush --My first day I must read things more properly next time and answer questions in the correct forums. My apologies.

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Why Won't God Heal Amputees? / Re: Why wont God Heal Amputees? Because He wants to heal their hearts...

« Last post by kiran on Yesterday at 06:40:31 PM »

The Gawd


I am a Hindu and yes i need to update and learn rules on how to post in forums and even give replies –so apologies.

As to the discussion, and as a Hindu --what I say is from the many scriptures we have.


I am a firm believer that God exist; because I have read about God and heard about God and would say I have experienced God, (and you might call me a madman for saying that).
But I still cannot claim to know all the answers. I can only tell what i have read, observed and experienced.

In my answers having told you that how I believe that both the followers of God and non-believers of God are right in their own minds, I merely stated that there is a school of thought in Hinduism who believe that the mind is the god.

Since I am a firm believer in God, then I believe in a soul and also that any healing or cure comes with the aid of God (and my karma) because i have asked for his help (as would people of any religion) and it is what I choose to believe happened (is god helped me).

Those who dont ask god for help and who are still cured are in my personal belief that their ‘good’ karma is the reason for their cure, but these non-believers dont think it has anything to do with god or karma. It is their belief and they are right from their view point.

I am certainly not going to argue with anyone and say that ONLY MY WAY IS RIGHT THEREFORE YOU ARE ALL WRONG (You see how arrogant that sounds). I can only tell you what is said in our scriptures and why I view the world differently to you.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why do atheists refer to the Laws of Moses, or the Torah Law to try to prove Ch

« Last post by Graybeard on Yesterday at 06:40:10 PM »

It would thus be helpful to know when you think Christianity started. Of course, it could be you have never thought of the question before.

Graybeard,
Please. I am not the one making the statement. Isn't it your opinion that the one making the claim must provide the proof? Do you see why I call atheists hypocrites?

It would thus be helpful to know when you think Christianity started.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Don't expect an atheist president anytime soon

« Last post by Graybeard on Yesterday at 06:37:11 PM »

Great side-steps as usual Mr. Beard.
My claim is this: Christianity has been going on for about 2000 years, and is still going. The Bible is about 2000 years old and is still being read. Nobody has disproved either. And how many have tried?  You atheists are into proof, right? Then prove it wrong!

No sidesteps from me, but from here, it looks as if you could be waltzing. Back at you holybuckets: what about Hinduism, 4500 years and still going? What does that prove?

However, you know how gullible people pray to their gods and when nothing happens, they say, "Well, perhaps he said, "No.""? Obviously, there's always an excuse for there not being a god.

We ask, "Who made god?" and you say, "He was always there."
We say, "OK, the universe was always there." And Christians get all upset.

We ask, "What's god like?"
You say "He is unknowable"... and then you proceed to tell us what he means when he says something idiotic.

My point here is that it is a question of the standard of proof required to rid you of this infirmity of belief that is weighing down your life.

I want to help you holybuckets, "What proof would satisfy you that there were no God/gods?"

Looking forward to a reply.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: What do you mean by "Atheist"?

« Last post by Azdgari on Yesterday at 06:27:07 PM »

Words are all subjective, eh?  This is a tricky subject, and a good question.  Whole long threads have been devoted to arguing it, among self-identifying atheists.  I personally define "an atheist" as "one who does not believe in the existence of any deities".  So someone who has been introduced to the concept of deities, but has not been convinced of one's existence, is an atheist even if he or she doesn't positively believe them not to exist.