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The Bible teaches there is only one form of pure worship.
You know that there are other books that other people genuinely believe are the communications from the divine, right? You know that there are other people out there that genuinely believe both that god is a real and active entity in reality and that the bible has nothing to do with him, right?
And again, you seem to be completely and utterly missing the point. Or you recognize the point but just don't want to deal with it. I dunno. I mean - it predicts false teachers. That's great, but it doesn't help to discern between false teachers and true teachers. Again, just look at you and skeptic54768 - you both assert the divine infallibility of the bible, and you both come to a lot of very different conclusions regarding what it actually says. Now, from my perspective, there is an easy solution: ask the teacher. The problem that I see is that both you and skeptic54768 keep conflating "asking the teacher" with "asking the text book." Those aren't the same thing!
I'm going to ask you this again - do you talk to a lot of non-JWs and, more importantly, a lot of ex-JWs? I just really get the sense that you genuinely do not understand that there are people out there that genuinely believe that they have a genuine personal relationship with god and that their understanding of god and his expectations for his beloved creations are very different from yours.
What makes you think I rule out god's existence? Are you really confident that you understand what 'lacking belief' actually entails?
Do you understand the difference between 'leaving a door open' and 'stepping through an open door'?
Yes, it's possible to believe something that is not true and I suppose it's also possible to believe the correct thing for wrong reasons.
Well I'm sure miraculous signs would have some effect, but I have doubts that it would be as effectual as a lot of people seem to think. After all the signs the Israelites witnessed they still created and worshiped a golden calf while Moses was on the mountain. The religious leaders, not having any other explanation, said Christ was working miracles with the power of Beelzebub. Certainly these people believed in Jehovah, but simply having a belief in his existense wasn't enough.
However, in the time of Christ some did believe because of what they saw (Jn 20:29). But yet there were people that saw the same things and did not believe. So I really question if a sign alone is enough for people to turn to God.
that is not technically folding mud. You must have a distinct surface and put it against itself. Now, why doesn't mud "work like that"?CD, I'll be back to show how AiG lies and address your other responses. But I'll ask you a question first: can you fold mud?
Looking forward to hearing that (and I mean that with no sarcasm whatsoever, it's sometimes harder to convey in text when you can't hear or see the other person's reaction. ).
And depends how you define fold in this context: You you mean can I pick some mud up, a little on each hand but close enough so it's still connected, and then press my palms together, then technically yes I can fold mud. If by fold you mean structure it in a way that has two mostly flat sections and a clear crease, than no, since mud doesn't work like that. You can build structures with it (part of the reason why people can build sandcastles and the like), but you can't "fold" mud in the same way you can fold paper. You can take two mostly flat slabs of mud and press them together, but you can't take a piece of mud and try to fold it without it breaking apart.
Mud doesn't work like that because the physical properties of mud don't allow it to fold and crease like paper does. Paper is a single sheet that can be bent, whereas mud is a lot more malleable and doesn't have a set form. If you hear the word "paper" most people will generally think of the same shape and structure, while mud is more of a solid that is more changeable in how it can be changed. Basically it's a matter of physics and material properties.