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Evolution & Creationism / Re: Belly button
« Last post by Basset Hound on Today at 07:21:35 PM »
Jesus was purple.  He had two belly buttons.  The reason that all portraits of Adam and Steve have belly buttons is the nartist couldn't conceive of a man without them.
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Religion & Society / Re: The Immorality Of Christian Evangelism
« Last post by nogodsforme on Today at 05:47:20 PM »
Yes, Christians think that there is no down side to pretending to be a Christian. No biggie that you do not believe any of it is true. Going through the motions is fine, even if you only do it to keep your job (a mercenary action based on monetary rewards).

It is certainly encouraged to keep the family peace. Atheists have risked losing child custody for not pretending to be Christians. Of course we should all bow our heads and pretend to pray along with Christian friends and relatives in public. Christians have even said to do otherwise than "go along" would be rude and disrespectful.[1]

But do Christians agree that we heathens should just "go along" and pretend to participate with other faiths? I have Buddhist relatives-- do Christians suggest that I go with them to the temple and chant to keep the peace in the family? I have Muslim friends. Should I go to the mosque and pretend to pray to Allah?[2]

Would they "go along" to make other people (Say, a Satanist group) feel comfortable? Or would they refuse and behave in a way that they themselves say is rude and disrespectful?

Cue some major hypocrisy and signs that religious freedom only means everyone is free to "go along" with something they do not believe--if it is the majority faith. It is okay to be rude and disrespectful to Muslims, Buddhists, and Satanists.

 1. Note the hoopla over total strangers (whose religion might not be Christianity) not saying the correct Christian-approved religious holiday greeting. I saw a bumper sticker that said "It's okay to say Merry Christmas." Who ever said it was not okay? Say it all you want. Say it in the middle of summer for all I care. It's okay to say Eid Mubarak, too. What is not okay is freaking out that someone else may not celebrate or believe in your religious festival.
 2. I have attended Vodun ceremonies as an observer, but did not participate or pray to their gods.....
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Religion & Society / Re: The Immorality Of Christian Evangelism
« Last post by jaimehlers on Today at 05:23:16 PM »
Ah, but remember, to a Christian, it's okay to be persecuted for their faith.  It makes their faith grow stronger, you see.  So they have a rationale for not going along with other religions.  They don't have to practice what they preach to heathens.  Besides, as far as they're concerned, you have everything to gain by going along with Christianity, even if you don't believe it (at first), and nothing to lose.

Well, except for being able to think rationally.  And being able to see the world without the kaleidoscopic filter that Christianity puts in place.  And being able to value your own intelligence and wisdom.  There are other things as well, that I can't easily put into words, but just those three are more than sufficient.

And what do you get in return for these valuable things?  You get to believe that blind faith is something good, that you'll live forever after you die, and that being a Christian is the pinnacle that every person should aspire to.
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^^^And my dad was completely devoted to god, as religious as they come, and it is doubtful he ever really loved anyone..... :-\
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Religion & Society / Re: The Immorality Of Christian Evangelism
« Last post by nogodsforme on Today at 04:09:00 PM »
The issue here is to what extent does a person who does not believe in someone else's religion go along with some religious practice for the benefit of other people?

Unbelievers the world over go along with lots of religious stuff: for peaceful relations in the family, to keep their jobs, to hold the marriage together, to blend in with the rest of the community, to be able to see the kids after a divorce-- in some cases, like in Pakistan or Afghanistan, to keep from being arrested or even killed!

We bow our heads when there is a public prayer to not make a fuss. We attend services at Easter, Christmas, etc to make family members happy. We stay silent when friends or relatives give credit to their gods for this or that. We might even let someone pray over us. Why should we heathens have to do religious stuff that we do not believe in?

I have heard Christian people say, "It's no big deal.  It won't kill you to read the bible and pray to god, even if you don't believe in it. Just go to church and pretend." They would never consider doing that themselves-- attending a mosque, reading the Quran and praying to Allah, or doing a few Buddhist chants or reading some Satanic literature, or participating in a Vodun ceremony, since 'it would not kill them'. But they cavalierly suggest that we do it.  :P

Do our religious members ever have to "pretend" and participate in religious activities they do not believe in? What does freedom of religion mean, anyway?
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How would I know?
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Chatter / Re: "What are you listening to now"... replica
« Last post by Mr. Blackwell on Today at 12:38:40 PM »
Maurice White died today.

I was sad to hear the news as well. At least I got to see EW&F while I was living in Charleston.

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Evolution & Creationism / Re: life sustaining planets
« Last post by The Gawd on Today at 11:27:01 AM »
One thing that I rarely ever see in this topic is any actually address the timing.

Earth is what, 4.5 billion years old and some estimate life beginning about 3.8 billion years ago? (no I don't feel like providing the lanks now) We have had how many Extinction Level Events (ELE's)? It could be that there was even highly evolved life on a planet like Mars or Venus at some point within that billion years which is simply no longer there and time x conditions have destroyed any evidence of such. Imagine if life were to end here today and some alien comes along in 2 billion years, I don't think the Statue of Liberty would still be up, there would be no skeletons sitting on the surface.

I mean you have to do some real searching to find dinosaur remains and that's simply millions of years, and we know they were here.

Could be that we just missed it.
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Evolution & Creationism / Re: life sustaining planets
« Last post by none on Today at 11:24:40 AM »
you know whats funny: I can stop thinking abov science. can you stop thinking about god
what god?
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Evolution & Creationism / Re: Not from Monkeys, but from worms
« Last post by The Gawd on Today at 10:43:12 AM »
we're still treating skeppy as if he's real?
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