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Chatter / Re: People...It's the End Times
« Last post by Nam on Today at 12:27:01 AM »
Don't worry about it Nam. Anyone who puts footnotes in their footnotes is pretty awful, so you're safe.



I once put footnotes in my footnotes footnote. It was like an orgy.

-Nam
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Religion In The News / Re: Told to leave for not standing up for the flag
« Last post by Timo on Today at 12:12:43 AM »
As I stated above removing ones head from the sand and trying to fix what you feel is wrong. Lol whether one agrees with me or not on certain issues. The attempt to fix what you see that  prevents us from being the "shining city on the hill" is more patriotic than standing for a pledge or singing along with an anthem.

Personally, I agree that we ought to work towards making our communities better places or towards making our country better if we're working on a national level. And I agree that this ought to be a component of any genuine patriotism. But here's where I'm coming from, I would agree with this whether or not I lived in America. If I lived in the UK, I would feel  compelled to contribute to my adopted community and to my adopted country. I'm just in favor of being a good citizen.

Fair enough and that’s what I figured. However I have learned the hard way not to assume things on this site and sites like this. So I figured I would ask.

I appreciate that.

I personally feel that people who don’t stand are most likely angry. There is a lot to be angry about and I agree with them (and you) that they should be angry.  I suppose not standing is voicing your anger at the current state of our nation?

For me, it started that way. There's a lot to be mad about, no matter what your experience is. Ultimately though, where I've arrived is just at a kind of ambivalent place.  I'm at a place where I find the gesture to be weird and kind of empty but at the same time, not taking part in it feels like an important gesture somehow. When I look around our country, whether we're talking about the actions the state takes or culturally, I generally just feel like I don't want to be on board with whatever this is or take some oath affirming my special obligation to it. At the same time, it's by many accidents of circumstances that we all find ourselves sharing a country and I feel like it's important to try to make it as good of a place as I think it can be...even if I think a lot of y'all are jagoffs that I want nothing to do with. (Present company excluded, obviously)
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General Religious Discussion / Re: in need of coaching again;
« Last post by Timo on Yesterday at 11:55:00 PM »
stick to one part until we get a conclusion - like God being psychotic. if i create something I can do what i want with it - and you have no say Period! He created - he owns - and he is not psychotic - those are things to say, if you could only know Him - that is not who He is "

I don't even know how you're supposed to even have a sensible discussion with this guy. I would think that, being civilized folk, we would all agree with the idea that people aren't something that one ought to be able to own. Apparently he disagrees. Though, I guess it's not all that surprising coming from a gentleman who professes the infallibility and truth of a book that not only condones slavery but outlines best practices for slavers. But I'm weird. For me, arguing for the truth of a book that says slavery is sometimes okay is a non-starter.

I think that there is a way to talk about how God's moral obligations towards humans would differ from humans' moral obligations towards one another or to God. But the crude language of ownership just doesn't work. It's disgusting. But it's disgusting in such a basic way that I have trouble even articulating my problem with it.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: in need of coaching again;
« Last post by ParkingPlaces on Yesterday at 11:50:15 PM »
Mmmm, and I'm supposed to sleep tonight how?

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Chatter / Re: People...It's the End Times
« Last post by ParkingPlaces on Yesterday at 11:47:28 PM »
Don't worry about it Nam. Anyone who puts footnotes in their footnotes is pretty awful, so you're safe.

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Chatter / People...It's the End Times
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 10:43:51 PM »
We knew that it was fiction but someone just told me something that just can't be true. It can't be. Because if it's true, then, it must be the end of all life as we know it.

Someone, in my personal life, who knows me...just told me I am a sweet, kind, and good person, and I am never really such a bad guy.

It can't be true.

TELL ME IT'S NOT TRUE!!!!

 I do have 311[1] applauds and only 84 smites. Am I slipping? Am I not the guy people loathe anymore?

What's happening?

Is this the end?




It must be...[2]
 1. that group rocks
 2. I told my mom before posting this and she laughed so hard she fell out of her bed. She says I torture[1] her every day. It isn't true.
 1. figuratively
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General Religious Discussion / Re: in need of coaching again;
« Last post by eh! on Yesterday at 10:20:16 PM »
PP: " And they use that knowledge of his commands to prove to themselves that he must be real, otherwise they wouldn't know his commands."

that will be my opening volley.

and the bit about genes re dog breeding, I thought of that one myself, apparently the fundies agree on micro-evolution as fact, within the "kinds" but no new genetic info has ever been observed is the key to resolve, for them, evolution is true and they use it micro-evolutionally but that is not heretical macro-evolution for which there no proof ie nobody has ever observed a croco-duck yadayada thank you ray comfort.

Jag:

here - "do you want to disturb his faith, make him think about his beliefs" and here - "just make a case against a literal interpretation of the Bible for anyone else who reads the posts?" + have some fun.

tryin to persuade people confused about life and stuff not to settle for the easiest answer because it is just easier. I value my fellow humans.

yeah it's all happening on the dog forums, sounds like you just asked me for a clip of my puppy;



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General Religious Discussion / Re: in need of coaching again;
« Last post by Jag on Yesterday at 10:06:06 PM »
I'll toss out some options and let you guide my thinking.

Motivations: do you want to disturb his faith, make him think about his beliefs, "win"[1] the debate, or just make a case against a literal interpretation of the Bible for anyone else who reads the posts? Your approach will vary depending on what you're trying to do. In a debate, consider two things: who are you trying to persuade about what?

These dog-breeding forums sound bizarre to me. I gotta get out more...
 1. sincere qualifier here - nobody ever wins these debates; sometimes they end, but nobody ever wins
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General Religious Discussion / Re: in need of coaching again;
« Last post by ParkingPlaces on Yesterday at 10:02:34 PM »
Ah, I see. You think we should all be as shocked as you about the property thingy. I've heard that for years, and consider it par for the course.  I imagine I was stunned the first time I heard it too. In the OP, I saw it as evidence that the guy was too far gone to debate. Because he would be telling you, either overtly or covertly, every time he opened his mouth. Folks like that are no fun to talk religion with.

Because it isn't a game to them. They think they are gods property and they think they must do what he commands. Which of course means that they think they know what his commands are. And they use that knowledge of his commands to prove to themselves that he must be real, otherwise they wouldn't know his commands. Such thoughts are about the only thing that goes on in their heads. Everything else is rote memorization of their religions' talking points.

At some point, that stuff gets old. Like, you know, within the first minute or so.

You need to pick your dog breeding forums better. (And by the way, what's a fundy doing mucking around with dog genes. If evolution isn't real, then nothing else taking advantage of genetics can be either.)

Edit: I think I fixed an egregious english error. Maybe not though. Nam will let me know if I didn't.  ;D
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General Religious Discussion / Re: in need of coaching again;
« Last post by eh! on Yesterday at 09:57:57 PM »
well my genesis and evolution on this forum is my preparation. if you don't know I came here due to another belligerent hams/hovind devotee that got to me, that was my first encounter. I eventually dealt with that rather well imo.

both these encounters are on two different dog breeding forums.
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