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Very interesting thoughts everyone. I can see where you are coming from.

But still, no one has asked me about my theory on why atheists can be nice. I will just tell you, then.

I believe that a lot of atheists try to act really nice in order to try and prove to Christians that they can be nice too. It's almost like over-compensation. They don't want Christians to talk about "those mean ol' atheists." They want Christians to say, "Wow! For an atheist, I can't believe he's so nice!"

Do all atheists do this? Of course not. But I would be willing to bet that a lot of them do.

I'm pretty disappointed with this answer, skep.  That you think we're putting on a show to impress you guys is really...sad, for lack of a better word. 

It's true that I think we should do more to make theists hate us less.  But by that I do not mean act differently.  I just mean be open about our non belief and let people get to know us.  You've not learned much about us.

just like a lot of christians have the goal of promoting their faith... isn't the goal of the atheist, being of sound rational mind, to undermine the xtian faith?  i think some of the higher profile atheist do come off as a bit confrontational and angry; dawkins would be an example of this.  but where dawkins gets it wrong is when he publicly lambastes believers.  i think a more effective way to undermine religious belief is to develop a culture of passivity, entice and distract believers... the less harmful way to free someone of their faith is the gradual one - "[1]a gentle slope, without sudden turnings or milestones, with a soft underfoot and without signposts"...
 1. paraphrasing c.s. lewis
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General Religious Discussion / Faith in the NFL
« Last post by YRM_DM on Today at 09:38:27 AM »
With Sunday coming up fast... would you all take a few minutes to pray for the millionaires in the NFL?

Let's hope guys like Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson are rewarded for their faith in Jesus and have a great weekend of many touchdowns.

http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/TOM14_Adrian_Peterson.aspx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a09qdiTVFEY

God has surely blessed these guys, and you can see by their own words in the past that they are faithful.


I'm just getting back from vacation, so, I haven't seen any news updates for a few weeks, but I've got both these guys on my Fantasy Football team and I'm hoping Jesus will bless me with a great season.

Praise Jesus.
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I feel like we might have discussed this a while back.

if one is an atheist, they have a 0% chance of avoiding Hell.
If someone picks a religion, they at least have a >0% chance of avoiding Hell.

I believe you're correct in that it's been discussed with you before. Pascal's Wager uses poor reasoning when coming to the conclusion it's safer to hedge your bets that the Christian god exists. It's demonstrably not safer. It's an incredibly bad argument you should stop using. I'd be more than happy to explain why Pascal's Wager is illogical if you want to understand why.


Skeptic.  You know that the Christian God tests people right?    He put the sin-tree right in the middle of the garden with Adam and Eve then left right?

What if parts of the Bible are a test?

What if God rewards the atheists who questioned things like:
- enslaving people from other nations and passing them down to their kids
- killing other people's babies to punish a biblical ruler
- genocide ordered by god
- spending precious words in a divine instruction book for life on setting the price of a slave or not wearing mixed fabric

What if we both die on the same day and God says, "YRM, those things in the bible that you questioned as 'evil' really were EVIL and I'm proud of you for using the brain and logic that I gave you to reason it out!   Good job my faithful servant.    My stupid followers believe that I'm GOOD but yet would torture 99.99% of humanity eternally over limited crimes committed by far lesser beings than me!  Hahaha.   I'm over 18 billion years old!  I'd never act like a spoiled five year old as described in the Bible!"

"Skeptic.. you made excuses for me over things I put in the book as tests.   You made excuses for me flooding the earth the same way Hitler's people made excuses for him wiping out the Jews!   I appreciate the attempted apologist defense but, I'm a big boy and I put that crap in the Bible to test you all to see if you could recognize good when you saw it!"

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I believe that a lot of atheists try to act really nice in order to try and prove to Christians that they can be nice too. It's almost like over-compensation. They don't want Christians to talk about "those mean ol' atheists." They want Christians to say, "Wow! For an atheist, I can't believe he's so nice!"

Do all atheists do this? Of course not. But I would be willing to bet that a lot of them do.

It's funny I think the same thing about christians, I mean after nearly 1500 years of wading through the blood of others I think they try and over compensate, they want people to say "Yeah I know they went through the burny phase and the inquisition wasn't all LOLZ and yeah kiddy fiddling, but these dudes are actually really nice."  ;)
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General Religious Discussion / Re: properties and politics of heaven
« Last post by Nick on Today at 08:05:36 AM »
God had better be ready for personal injury lawyers to be on His a $$.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: properties and politics of heaven
« Last post by screwtape on Today at 07:55:57 AM »
Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that the streets in heaven are paved with gold? I still have no idea how that is supposed to be appealing... It actually sounds retarded.

revelation 21:21
The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.


Gold would be a terrible material for a road.  For one, it is very soft and would wear out quickly.  For two, being shiny there would be terrible glare, which, unless everyone has polarized sunglasses, is a safety hazard.  Maybe jesus gives everyone Maui Jim's?  And third, Mrjason nailed it: slippery.

That makes god a very bad civil engineer.  But based on how the human body was designed, we already knew that.[1]
 1. A bunch of engineers are sitting around at a party, discussing the nature of the God, and who designed people.

The mechanical engineer states that God must also be a mechanical engineer because "if you look at all the pulleys and levers that drive the body, how the tendons and muscles and bones all work together, well, it's just amazing."

The chemical engineer says that no, God has to be a chemical engineer because "if you look at all the chemical processes that drive the body, how the hormones and the brain and the glands and everything else all interact, well, it's just astounding."

The electrical engineer says that no, God has to be an electrical engineer because "if you look at the circuitry of the body, how the thousands upon millions of nerve cells transmit signals from one part to another, well, it boggles the mind."

The civil engineer speaks up last of all and says, no, God is definitely a civil engineer, because "only a civil engineer put toxic waste dump next to a playground."
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Guys, I have a sneaking suspicion that Skep's "theory" was his tongue-in-cheek way of stereotyping us (atheists) in the same way he perceives us stereotyping Christians (and theists in general) as being... well, I don't wish to put words in his mouth... but I'll go with self-righteous and self-deluded sheeple.

Just a hunch.

I suppose that is a possibility.  If that is true, then it wouldn't be the first time a subtlety of intent has been missed on an internet forum.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: properties and politics of heaven
« Last post by Mrjason on Today at 07:04:57 AM »
Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that the streets in heaven are paved with gold? I still have no idea how that is supposed to be appealing... It actually sounds retarded.

Gold is also quite a slippery material, totally unsuitable for walking on. I would imagine that there would be a fleet of angelic ambulance chasing lawyers cashing in on slips and trips litigation
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I think it is offensive, belligerent and simple minded that someone suggest that atheists (or anyone) only pretend to be nice, even overcompensate, being nice just to give xians the perception that we are not angry.

f'n retarded as it gets, what do muslims and hindu's....anyone not a Xian, all just  be nice to xians faces to hide their personal anger???

skep really thinks that he is that important that I would bother being nice and cutesy to him to try convince him I am not angry or mean...dude I can assure you if we met there would be zero illusion about my anger.


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[quote author=nogodsforme link=topic=27326.msg632680#msg632680 date=1410932967

Unless skeptic is going to try to argue that god is secretly helping atheists behave nicely, for reasons of his own, while letting Satan have his way with the religious folks. Mysterious ways and all.  &)
[/quote]

Well, I HAVE seen similar theories in the past from other theists. Because atheists are already damned, Satan leaves them alone and focuses on tempting Christians away from their path by either inciting them to sin through providing too many Earthly pleasures or by smiting them with enough evil that they lose faith in god.

Seriously, though, Skeptic...atheists have just as much on their plates day to day as Christians do; busy people (or even not-so-busy people, for that matter) simply don't go around basing every move they make on whether it will fool someone into thinking they are a good person when they are secretly evil. Again, this falls into to the sociopathic realm. Normal people simply do not function like that. We do what we do in the moment, and, just like Christians, the vast majority of the time our instincts are not to create mayhem and misery. They just aren't.
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