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Never having been religious, in my early debates with Christians I'd ask; "Why doesn't your god simply appear in front of me and end this argument?"
I'd invariably get the snorted reply "What?! You want God to appear in front of everybody?!?!". Now I say it was a snorted incredulous reply because it was; the Christian seemed to think this was asking too much of God, like asking me to cut everyone's lawn in a weekend. They seemed not to understand that the god they proposed has unlimited power, it merely has to think an action and it is done. This entity spoke a universe into being.

So we are left with the conclusion that the god could quite easily prove its existence to everyone if it wanted. Instead it chooses not to. Why is that? The only conclusion I can see that makes any sense is that it is imaginary.
Chatter / Re: Kindle fire.
« Last post by Nam on Today at 03:02:33 PM »
There are tens of thousands of free books one can read online. Who the hell needs a Kindle? Of cours Kindle is on my Android, and my last Android but I never use/d them.

What will it take to convince these morons that "normal Planned Parenthood activities" do not even consist of abortions.  They are doing pap screens, STD screenings, and birth control education and distribution. (which would prevent abortion)  But they have tunnel vision toward PP that all they do is kill babies.

^^^What bothers me is, we have former CEOs, that want to be president of the US (Carly Fiorina), that bring lies into the public debate - not understanding what PP does, or intentional lying about what PP does.  Really, I am so tired of the idiocy.

The rich like her do not understand because they don't care. They've no understanding of how poor people live because they've had a silver spoon shoved up their asses all their lives.

Chatter / Re: Taking the Plunge: Windows 10
« Last post by One Above All on Today at 02:07:07 PM »
Well, they have to have access to all the information stored on your disk drives or they wouldn't be able to read/write/format/index those drives, much less store their own software and user-created files on the drives. Windows would be pointless otherwise.

The way I understood it was something akin to owning all your information, but jaimehlers already cleared that up.

Windows 10 Upgrade is Free, Not “Free”

Slight misunderstanding here. What I mean by writing "free" with quotes is that it's "free" in the sense that you don't have to pay for it with money, but you do pay for it by providing Microsoft with personal information.
What lies are they talking about? I'm looking at Youtubes, where PP reps are talking about selling body parts.

First, I was responding to Lori writing about what planned parenthood does overall. 

But here is the argument.  Carly Fiorini, at 50 seconds, demands people watch these videos about fetal tissue harvest, demands that America law stop funding Planned Parenthood:

Here is one of several videos  at the heart of the debate:

Evidently these videos are heavily edited to  make it seem that abortions are performed in order to harvest fetal tissue:

Fiorina’s claim makes it sound like there is actual footage of Planned Parenthood examining an aborted fetus whose heart is still beating, while someone says "we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain." There isn't.
Fiorina is likely talking about this 10-minute Aug. 19 video. (Warning: The video contains extremely gruesome footage.) The video shows an interview with a woman talking about a scene similar to the one Fiorina describes; the video’s creators have matched her interview with grisly stock footage of a fetus outside the womb.
In the video, the Center for Medical Progress interviews a woman identified as Holly O’Donnell, a former procurement technician for StemExpress. StemExpress is a biomedical company that previously worked with Planned Parenthood to collect tissue for medical research, but the company ended its relationship with Planned Parenthood amid the ongoing controversy.
O’Donnell talks about a time when she saw a fully-formed aborted fetus, with its heart still beating, in a pathology lab at a California Planned Parenthood clinic while she was on a job.
"I’m sitting here looking at this fetus, and its heart is beating, and I don’t know what to think," O’Donnell said. According to O’Donnell, her supervisor then told her they would procure the brain because the fetus was well-preserved.
The Center for Medical Progress video does not show actually show footage of O’Donnell’s experience, and there’s nothing else in the video to corroborate O’Donnell’s story. Additionally, the supervisor in O’Donnell’s story does not say anything about keeping the fetus alive specifically for the purpose of harvesting the brain.
To dramatize O’Donnell’s interview, the video cuts to a fetus outside the womb, placed on what appears to be some sort of examination surface, and the fetus’ legs are moving. The Center for Medical Progress says the source of the footage is the Grantham Collection, an organization that hopes to stem abortion by promoting graphic images of the procedure. We don’t know the circumstances behind this video: where it came from, under what conditions it was obtained, or even if this fetus was actually aborted (as opposed to a premature birth or miscarriage).

This from snopes:

So, are Planned Parenthood officials lying to congress?

Here is a conservative argument:

Here is a link to the Colorado Shooter comments:

Decide for yourself, Add homonym, what the truth is, and whether, or how, the words of Carly Fiorina matter.
I know you are not comparing wearing cultural clothing with cutting off a child's private parts, are you? Seriously?  :o
General Religious Discussion / Re: From A Christian
« Last post by nogodsforme on Today at 11:43:22 AM »
Yes indeedy. Who would skeptic rather have running his city, state or country? A peaceful atheist who follows the laws of the land, or someone like that maniac who went on a killing rampage for god? Who would make better moral decisions?
19 - some statements from the Bible regarding the value it puts on human life. - and here's a Christian's perspective on it.

In Exodus 21:22 God gives a specific law regarding social order for the Israelites. He stated that if two men were fighting and hit a pregnant woman, thus causing her to give birth prematurely, they must be fined according to any damage done to the baby. The fine must be paid in relation to the amount of damage inflicted upon the child. If God would make a law specifically referring to the rights of the unborn, then surely the unborn must mean something to Him!
Except this is false.  Here is what Exodus 21:22-23 actually says:  "If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life."  It's clear that the Christian is interpreting this to mean "causing a premature birth", but that's not actually what it means; this is referring to if the woman miscarries, not if she gives birth prematurely.  The mischief refers to the woman's life, not to the fetus's.

Also, I found the following section from the Christian article to be highly ironic:  "True Freedom Comes from Following the Bible’s Teachings".  Perhaps in a pig's eye, but not anywhere else.  Christians have not truly followed the Bible's teachings for hundreds of years, if they ever did.  Instead, they pick and choose what rules they follow - as evidenced by this person who went ahead and broke "thou shalt not kill" by murdering the people at that clinic.
Chatter / Re: Taking the Plunge: Windows 10
« Last post by jaimehlers on Today at 11:11:38 AM »
@Chronos:  That makes a lot more sense than this idea that Microsoft would start charging people for the OS in order to continue supplying updates.  I mean, they've been providing ten-year lifecycle support since at least Windows 2000 (probably longer); I don't see why they would start changing that now, not when they're basically giving Windows 10 away for free.  I can't think of anything that would destroy their reputation more quickly and thoroughly.

By the way, there's nothing in the EULA which says that Microsoft gets access to all the information stored on the computer's hard drive:

The most it says is that Microsoft may collect, use, and disclose what information it does get access to as described in the privacy statement.  Speaking of which:

Microsoft collects data to operate effectively and provide you the best experiences with our services. You provide some of this data directly, such as when you create a Microsoft account, submit a search query to Bing, speak a voice command to Cortana, upload a document to OneDrive, or contact us for support. We get some of it by recording how you interact with our services by, for example, using technologies like cookies, and receiving error reports or usage data from software running on your device. We also obtain data from third parties (including other companies).

Microsoft uses the data we collect to provide you the services we offer, which includes using data to improve and personalize your experiences. We also may use the data to communicate with you, for example, informing you about your account, security updates and product information. And we use data to help make the ads we show you more relevant to you. However, we do not use what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail, or your documents, photos or other personal files to target ads to you.

We share your personal data with your consent or as necessary to complete any transaction or provide any service you have requested or authorized. We also share data with Microsoft-controlled affiliates and subsidiaries; with vendors working on our behalf; when required by law or to respond to legal process; to protect our customers; to protect lives; to maintain the security of our services; and to protect the rights or property of Microsoft.
This is fairly standard as far as data-sharing goes.  Granted, there's a fair bit of leeway there, but it's not nearly as diabolical as Internet rumor would have it.  Frankly, I suspect that people are taking the privacy statement about the Windows 10 technical preview (AKA, public beta) to mean a whole lot more than it actually did.
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