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Easy...animal crackers. ;)

In the primal soup....sing along with Shirley Temple everyone.
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Interesting thread. I too have tried the philosophic approach on these boards and the atheists didn't like it.

I have come to the conclusion that atheists can not prove this universe is real and neither can theists. So, it really does come down to your biases, no matter how much we try to stay unbiased.

Just keep in mind the contradiction of saying, "Things exist outside of my mind" while relying on your own mind to say that.
Nobody has ever been "outside of their own minds."

This is pretty funny coming from a guy who believes in gods, spirits, ghosts, and demons. Are those things inside your mind or outside of it, skeptic?  Are they real or imaginary? How can you tell? Do you have any "outside your mind" evidence for these magical beings?

Or is the existence of all these magical beings just an assumption you make because you like that version of the world better? Dare I say that you are biased in favor of magical beings with no more evidence than I have for the elves and pixies that live in my garden?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: best of bad arguments
« Last post by nogodsforme on Today at 03:33:16 PM »
^^^Those are the kinds of pseudo-scientific theological arguments that I have a hard time countering point by point, because I don't have the science background to take them apart. I have a basic intro-type understanding of several fields of science from teaching for so many years, but once you get past the basics, I am lost, esp in math, physics and computers.

Unfortunately, we are seeing more and more of these kinds of arguments, because even the most fundy religious folks know that science is da sh!t.  Science works, beeyatches. 8)[1]

If they want to win over smart edjumacated folks, they have to use science, or what passes for science among anti-science religious people who don't really want science to be true. They desperately want to get the imprimatur of science on their beliefs, which is why they like to quote mine Darwin, Einstein and Stephen Hawking. And why they get so excited over logical proofs of god. As if. :P

To hear religious folks tell it, the early Christians did not need scientists or logical proofs to demonstrate the existence of god. They didn't need any of that because they had god. Which just goes to show that there is a certain something missing nowadays--and you have to fill in all that empty god-space with words about logic and theoretical physics and DNA code.  &)
 1. You can slap a cell phone to your ear and get connected to your prayer warriors (via space satellite) to discuss how evolution is false and scientists are the tools of Satan. Science is like the honey badger--it don't give a flying eff. Science works no matter what your beliefs are. Religion, not so much.
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I have come to the conclusion that atheists can not prove this universe is real and neither can theists. So, it really does come down to your biases, no matter how much we try to stay unbiased.

Just keep in mind the contradiction of saying, "Things exist outside of my mind" while relying on your own mind to say that.
Nobody has ever been "outside of their own minds."

Btw. It is easy to prove the universe exists. This is the proof.

I can think, therefore the universe must exist.

Do you need an explanation of why that is true?
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I have come to the conclusion that atheists can not prove this universe is real and neither can theists. So, it really does come down to your biases, no matter how much we try to stay unbiased.

Yes, but who uses this illusory universe better? Even if it *is* all a phantasm, the non-believers currently seem to be dealing with it more consistently. ;)
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I have come to the conclusion that atheists can not prove this universe is real and neither can theists. So, it really does come down to your biases, no matter how much we try to stay unbiased.

Just keep in mind the contradiction of saying, "Things exist outside of my mind" while relying on your own mind to say that.
Nobody has ever been "outside of their own minds."

I hope you have enjoyed arguing with yourself on this site.
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Religion & Society / Re: The Atheist Seal of Approval
« Last post by Nam on Today at 03:09:23 PM »
Nam, snowflakes in Florida don't last long.

Interesting take on how theists view atheists.

I've lived in Florida for 35 years. I've never seen it snow here.

Though I read it happening frequently.

-Nam
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Interesting thread. I too have tried the philosophic approach on these boards and the atheists didn't like it.

oh, come on, skep.  That's not fair.  It is not that we don't like it.  It is that solipsism is a big bag of bullshit, an intellectual dead end, and it offers no actual insight or solution.  Okay, I cannot prove I am not a brain in a jar.  Now what?  How does that inform me?  What actions does that indicate I should take?  What does that explain?

I've asked you this before and I do not recall a response.


I have come to the conclusion that atheists can not prove this universe is real and neither can theists. So, it really does come down to your biases, no matter how much we try to stay unbiased.

Yeah, biases.  That's it.  Biases.  I am biased against thinking the universe we mutually perceive is not real.  What is your excuse for brushing your teeth, having a job and going to the doctor? 


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Interesting thread. I too have tried the philosophic approach on these boards and the atheists didn't like it.

I have come to the conclusion that atheists can not prove this universe is real and neither can theists. So, it really does come down to your biases, no matter how much we try to stay unbiased.

Just keep in mind the contradiction of saying, "Things exist outside of my mind" while relying on your own mind to say that.
Nobody has ever been "outside of their own minds."
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Easy...animal crackers. ;)
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