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General Religious Discussion / Re: Jesus Never Existed
« Last post by wheels5894 on Today at 09:39:16 AM »
There's some good points here. The history of the development of the bible as well as Christian doctrine in the early period (Patristic) is one which is well worth study to understand why the various doctrines were approved and why others were rejected. It is well worth reading some of the books listed in the web link above as not only can one read opposing views but also see how things developed,

Of course, the various texts mentioned failed to make the final OT for various reasons though some more obvious that others. In fact it was Irenaus (bishop of Lyon c170) who in defence of the faith in his "Adversus Haereses" points out, with impeccable logic, that as there are 4 directions and 4 winds so should there be 4 gospels. This probably where the fixed number came from.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Jesus Never Existed
« Last post by Add Homonym on Today at 09:12:32 AM »
Do you believe the Gospel writers had something to gain financially by writing those Gospels? Did they get rich and famous? If not, how did they control people?

For what reason do you think the Gospel of Philip and Judas and Thomas were written?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament_apocrypha#Passion_gospels

Given that you believe the Apocrypha to be false, you will no doubt agree with me, that the variant gospels were written because a heretic was obsessed with his own point of view, and wrote a load of crap to support his viewpoint, so that he could keep his flock entertained with his variant of bullshit.

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Religion In The News / Re: ISIS
« Last post by Star Stuff on Today at 08:42:30 AM »
Just found this, here.


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Evolution & Creationism / DNA Mapped From 45,000 Year Old Human Bone
« Last post by Backspace on Today at 08:07:05 AM »
God certainly works in mysterious ways...  making 6,000 year old human bones appear to carbon date back 45,000 years...

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45,000-Year-Old Bone Pinpoints Era of Human-Neanderthal Sex... DNA from an ancient man in Siberia shows how Stone Age people spread into Asia.

Unearthed by an ivory carver from a Siberian riverbank, a man's 45,000-year-old thigh bone reveals when people first mated with Neanderthals, an international genetics team reports Wednesday.

Scientists collected DNA from the bone and analyzed the ancient man's complete genetic map, or genome. The DNA narrows down the time when mating first brought Neanderthal genes into the human gene pool: from 50,000 to 60,000 years ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141022-siberian-genome-ancient-science-discovery/
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Chatter / your life on earth
« Last post by Mrjason on Today at 07:39:47 AM »
A bit of fun, find out how the earth has changed in your lifetime, how far you've travelled in space how many times your heart has beaten and other stuff

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141016-your-life-on-earth
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General Religious Discussion / how this be refuted - free will thing?
« Last post by eh! on Today at 06:20:57 AM »
eh! - greybeard you have no free will, you are a merely a puppet to me.

GB - prove it

eh! - I just did.
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It does not bother me, but it bothers God. That is where you guys misunderstand us Christians. It doesn't bother us, it bothers God. Since God is the head honcho, it would be wise to obey what He says. Just like how rules at work are given to you by your boss and you have to obey them.

If God had said that homosexuality is OK, then you wouldn't be hearing an argument from a Christian.

At what point do we grow up, and take responsibility for the down-side of ignoring ancient tribal laws, that were created for that context?

With male homosexuality, there is a down-side of blood-blood disease spreading, and lower reproduction rates. If we take responsibility for that, and accept the downside risk, then that's our decision. It should not offend God.

We have already grown up, with respect to punishments. We currently disobey all the death penalty proscriptions, yet Christians would be somewhat in agreement that we should not kill anyone, except the abominably evil.

How is it that we "know" that it's OK to disobey God, WRT capital punishments? It may be God's plan to get all the riff-raff out of the gene pool. We argue that aggressive death penalties should be removed, because we think it's harm minimization. We rationalize all laws around harm minimization, yet we could be wrong.

If Christians truly think that God's word is necessary for God to be pleased, then they should forgive debt every 7 years, and do Jewish tithes.
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Ah, but all the violence, all the killing - its in the Old Testament. God doesn't do that sort of stuff any more. He's obviously more into peace and, well, hiding away from people.

Christians often point out that the OT is somehow redundant and no longer relevant to Christianity yet it formed the religion of Jesus and the first disciples. It is a collection of some of the bloodiest battles in the ancient world[1] and all inspired or instructed by this god. Heck even Samson got his strength back to kill the enemies of god. So there's nothing for it, this god thingy was a pretty violent dude though he has calmed down now.
 1. assuming they actually happened!

On your note: you look at the universally recorded histories of Jews for, oh say...the past 1500 years and they are basically the direct opposite of their ancestors. So, how does a supposedly extremely violent race of people become tame in such a short time period? Did others just come along and finally conquer them or were they never really violent, made it up, and fooled the entire world? Of course, today you have Israel who is violent a lot. Perhaps in defense for being "picked" on by Christians and Muslims for 1500 years but then again...it just doesn't seem to add up.

-Nam
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Ah, but all the violence, all the killing - its in the Old Testament. God doesn't do that sort of stuff any more. He's obviously more into peace and, well, hiding away from people.

Christians often point out that the OT is somehow redundant and no longer relevant to Christianity yet it formed the religion of Jesus and the first disciples. It is a collection of some of the bloodiest battles in the ancient world[1] and all inspired or instructed by this god. Heck even Samson got his strength back to kill the enemies of god. So there's nothing for it, this god thingy was a pretty violent dude though he has calmed down now.
 1. assuming they actually happened!
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"if someone hasn't read the research related to it."

hmmmm, wonder who that someone could be?????

sad that people go to this much effort to research and write a post to share and educate others that will completely be ignored by the ignorant  troll that should be reading it.

of course they might scan it to cherry pick and quote mine - so one sided.
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