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General Religious Discussion / Re: "I Was Once an Atheist"
« Last post by Emma286 on Today at 09:17:31 AM »

Based on all your comments here I say bullshit to that.

-Nam
Well what can I say, Nam? I know what I saw in my friend's house that day and no amount of rational intelligent thought can outweigh what I saw.

That is something I didn't understand when I was an atheist. All of these "personal stories" sounded foolish.....until one day when it happens to you and everything just clicks and comes together perfectly and your mind is open.

So what did you see at your friends house?   Am interested to know what it was about your experience that got you so convinced that the Christian god in particular is real!
I've read that he says he saw blood appear on a wall in the form of words and that convinced him there was a god.

Do you happen to know which section thread he posted this in?   :) I did peek in the testimonials section but couldn't see any recent thread Skeptic created there on this!
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,28898.msg0.html#new I believe but there have been others. post 11 is where skeptic starts.



Addendum:just found the original.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,25573.msg578576.html#msg578576

Many thanks, much appreciated!
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General Religious Discussion / Re: "I Was Once an Atheist"
« Last post by Star Stuff on Today at 09:16:59 AM »
Well what can I say, Nam? I know what I saw in my friend's house that day and no amount of rational intelligent thought can outweigh what I saw.

That is something I didn't understand when I was an atheist. All of these "personal stories" sounded foolish.....until one day when it happens to you and everything just clicks and comes together perfectly and your mind is open.

What you've displayed is your staggering level of credulity, and enormously low threshold for believing something. This is not worthy of respect.

"I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it."  (Edith Sitwell)
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General Religious Discussion / Re: skept is telling the TRUTH - proof
« Last post by Emma286 on Today at 09:15:13 AM »
I don't recall whether you have ever answered, Skeptic (since this story has come up a number of times over the years that you have been here), but I know that people have asked you, and continue to ask you, exactly how you made the leap from seeing those words on the wall (very ambiguous words, which could be interpreted to mean any number of things) to understanding them as proof of not only god in general but specifically the Christian version?

You continue to respond only to the more peripheral issues, such as being sure you saw what you saw, or knowing that your friend couldn't have been playing a trick on you; issues which, in reality, don't have a lot of bearing on the subject. There's apparently no way to verify those things at this point anyway, so even if we just suspend disbelief and agree to accept the words on the wall as mysterious fact, the pivotal question is still that of exactly what they prove. And, as usual, the pivotal question is the one that you continue to dance around.

Seconding this!

Skeptic, I'd also strongly appreciate an answer please!
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After science finally finishes figuring this out, then, this website will have to change it's name because like all things that humans do, theists give all the credit for our work to God, and for anything evil that happens or for good things that should happen but don't... humans get the blame.

God & Jesus = Reverse Spider Men!    All of the power, but none of the responsibility.  Lol
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General Religious Discussion / Re: "I Was Once an Atheist"
« Last post by lotanddaughters on Today at 08:55:30 AM »
Christians will make excuses for why dietary rules and capital punishment rules no longer apply. But, they will cling to rules against homosexuality for dear life. Well, I guess they have some New Testament scripture to back them up, if they cherry pick and totally ignore The Golden Rule, only to later cite The Golden Rule when it is convenient for their self-created, contradictory, bullshit religion. One overwhelmingly popular motive to hold homosexuality as a sin is simply because most people are heterosexual. It's so hard for even a heterosexual to adhere to a "sinless" life, because the rules in the Bible are ridiculously unreasonable. "Cut my hand off? Pluck my own eye out? I can't do that! Besides, Jesus was speaking allegorically! But, homosexuality is so unnatural to me, it just HAS to be a sin!" Heterosexual Christians are obviously drawn to the only rule they can obey for their entire lives without putting forth any effort.

I am totally heterosexual. When I was an ignorant Christian, this is the one sin I would never commit. It was easy. Just be myself. Lucky me.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: "I Was Once an Atheist"
« Last post by YRM_DM on Today at 08:53:27 AM »
As has been stated... if a person is the type of atheist who has understood the criticisms of the Bible, and articulated them out loud, there's very little chance to change.

I do, strangely, agree with Skeptic that if a true miracle presented itself to me, as a thinking atheist, that it might cause me to rethink my world view, at least on the supernatural.   Of course the miracle would have to be something that is verifiable and supported.   For example, if I saw an amputees arm magically re-appear right after praying to Jesus... and 20 people saw it and doctors verified that the guy had lost his arm and now has his arm.   Boy, that'd give me something to think about.

I'd probably still be more like Old Church Guy in that... a regrown arm doesn't prove to me that, say "the Bible is a perfect book and the earth is 6,000 years old and evolution didn't really happen"   But, if I saw a regrown arm, instantly... I'd have to have some belief in the supernatural at least, and possibly a God that heard that prayer.

However, if I was into alcohol or drugs or hanging out with edge of society type people, and I thought I saw blood appear on someone's wall, even if I was convinced I wasn't seeing something, or tricked, or having a drug induced vision...    how would demon blood convince me that the Bible is real?     How would I get from Point A to Point B where I'm convinced "Jesus"?
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Religion In The News / Re: That's Right!
« Last post by Nick on Today at 08:20:55 AM »
She turned them away this morning again.  Says God's Law is above man's.  Put her ass in jail, sue the county and her for every dime they have. 

If she was the country collector would she refuse to collect taxes from gay people?
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Chatter / Re: My Cat Now Thinks He's a Monkey
« Last post by Nick on Today at 08:18:35 AM »
Don't deny its true nature.  They have surgery so it can become more monkey.
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Chatter / Re: Mt. McKinley No Longer -- Here Comes Mt. Obama!
« Last post by Nick on Today at 08:16:08 AM »
I am sure that's most likely the reason but in today's racist makeup even Latino/Hispanics aren't considered True Whiteâ„¢.

I don't know. Bigotry, as far as I can tell, doesn't always or even usually work out to be blanket hatred towards each and every member of the hated group or groups. There always seems to be room for someone, say a young US Senator from the great state of Texas, to be deemed by the bigots to be "one of the good ones." A PPP poll just showed that a higher percentage of self-identified Republicans believe that Senator Cruz was born in the US (40%) than the president (29%).
That is just insane.
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The World's End! That movie was a crazy hoot of a ride. Anything with both Simon Pegg and Martin Freeman gets major awesome points, even if it is about drinking your way to the apocalypse. It was like, six degrees of separation from geek heaven: Star Trek meets Sherlock meets HGTTG. Every Armageddon should be this much fun.

You misspelled 'especially'.
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