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General Religious Discussion / Re: Bible God/Jesus is a Pervert
« Last post by wheels5894 on Today at 05:32:32 AM »
No, the creation myth is just that - not an eye witness account of creation by the inventive men's accounts of how iron age men thought the world started. Pretending it is a real account is really just fooling oneself.

Yeah it can't be an eyewitness account as there weren't any people at the start. Where is genesis supposed to have come from, is this god writing stuff down?

Traditionally, Moses is supposed to have written the Torah personally - including his death and burial. He spoke with some sort of god on top of the the mountain so might have been told how it happened.

Of course, if one believes this story, any other story sounds credible, I suppose.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Bible God/Jesus is a Pervert
« Last post by Mrjason on Today at 04:59:36 AM »
No, the creation myth is just that - not an eye witness account of creation by the inventive men's accounts of how iron age men thought the world started. Pretending it is a real account is really just fooling oneself.

Yeah it can't be an eyewitness account as there weren't any people at the start. Where is genesis supposed to have come from, is this god writing stuff down?
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Bible God/Jesus is a Pervert
« Last post by wheels5894 on Today at 03:19:54 AM »
I juts love the way people try to pretend that the days in the creation account aren't really days! The 'refrain' after each stage, 'evening and morning, the x day' makes it quite plain that the authors mean just what they say - after all Jews start a day in the evening. To decide days can be any random length to suit is illustrated by the fun we have had over the years with end times predictions. Russell did this himself, taking a day to be 1,000 years and decided Jesus would return in 1914 - a failed prediction. Camping was up to something like the same and he failed too.

No, the creation myth is just that - not an eye witness account of creation by the inventive men's accounts of how iron age men thought the world started. Pretending it is a real account is really just fooling oneself.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Why is it a problem for any god?
« Last post by Ron Jeremy on Today at 02:28:07 AM »

What about the sinner on board that would've turned his life around in years to come, denied that opportunity and who is now burning in hell?

Common understanding is that this person never would've turned his life around.

What about the babies on board that get to go straight to heaven without risking eternal damnation?

Common understanding is that they would've grown up to be great Christians.


Interesting. So the people on the flight already had their lives fixed; nothing they could do to change it. But as I'm alive, I assume I can change my future?
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Christianity logically satisfies my need to understand:

How we got here.
Why we’re here.
Where we’re going.
How the universe and ‘life’ came to be.


This is probably why we differ. Understanding isn't my biggest bugaboo. I'd like to understand, but I realize that understanding takes knowledge, and knowledge isn't always available.

We don't know how life started, or go to earth, or whatever it did. People are looking. We may or may not find an answer. So be it.

We understand that life began billions of years ago, and, over time, has changed drastically, via evolution. The life forms of 100 million years ago are not the life forms of today. We don't know the details about 100 million years ago, but again, we know it was different. However, there are still tons of unknowns about the differences.

We understand that universe is huge, but we don't know about all of the things that it is made of. We are perplexed by dark matter and dark energy, and it may or may not exist. We don't know, but making stuff up about the subject would be counterproductive. So we just keep looking.

We understand bits and pieces about things like human violence, disease, the things that go on down at the bottom of the ocean, the human brain, climate change and the effects of pollution, but we don't know everything. We can't pretend to have a complete understanding of any of those things. Or much else. What we can do it do our best to learn as much as we can, constantly accepting that there will always be more to learn, and also accepting that what we know now may or may not be considered accurate 20 or 50 or a100 years down the line.

In most areas, we understand enough to function. But we don't understand enough to master, we don't understand enough to control. And that's okay. Both because we have no say in the matter in the first place, and too, because it is probably more interesting this way.

To pretend we know the how's and why's and where's is to hide from reality. To pretend we have the story and then spend our lives trying to ram it down other peoples throats is huge waste of manpower and energy. Whereas to accept that we are learning more every day, advancing knowledge and erasing ignorance, is a liberating feeling.

You can't go far in life if you spend most of it building and maintaining your own prison. Which is what religion does. It makes stuff up, calls it true, and denies the legitimacy of any knowledge that disagrees. It uses falsehoods, like the claim that it can help you 'understand', to hold your attention and it pretends to be disambiguous, when in fact it is an assortment of lies that give you nothing but the idea that you have actually have an understanding.

It is pretty despicable, actually. And tragic beyond measure.
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I 'get' creationism.  It's an emotionally satisfying and comforting belief that helps people feel like they're empowered and special.  Who wouldn't want to believe that they had a special place in the universe, that they wouldn't really die when their bodies expired, and so on?

But none of that matters unless it's actually true.  That doesn't mean that I don't enjoy pleasant fantasies, but I don't base my life on the idea that those fantasies are true.
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Chatter / Re: Texas Floods
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 10:12:19 PM »
Well, why would they blame themselves? I mean, sure they create laws that take money from infrastructure, education[1], and a bevy other things like upkeep etc., it's not their fault. It has to be Obama, teh gays, women, black people, liberals, and godless heathens etc.,

Couldn't be theirs. Nothing is ever their fault.

-Nam
 1. to know what infrastructure means
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Chatter / Texas Floods
« Last post by Backspace on Yesterday at 10:07:10 PM »
Been reading much lately about the horrific floods in Texas, and the resulting tragic deaths and damage.  But remember back a few years when [then] Governor Perry led a state-wide prayer rally to break the catastrophic drought?  Tens of thousands of good Christian Texans were reportedly praying for rain - for years - and no doubt each and every one believed in the efficacy of it. 

Now the rain has come ... bringing death and destruction.

Curious how those same devout Texans now reconcile the result of their prayers. I've read reports of evangelical Texan pastors now blaming the floods/deaths on the usual familiar scapegoats: Obamacare, gay marriage, lack of prayer in schools - you know the list.

How can these holier-than-thou nuts look at themselves in the mirror every morning?  No wonder America is turning away from organized religion in droves.

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And that's many-a-Christian's point: man should not know the mind of god. If their god wanted them to know, it'd be in the Booble.

-Nam
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General Religious Discussion / Re: where the hell is hell going?
« Last post by Airyaman on Yesterday at 09:44:28 PM »
Who are we kidding here? Religion is just another tool humans used to associate, or sometimes to manipulate. Not all religionists are out to win our souls to their cause, some just want a slice of the eternal pie and to share the Wednesday night coffee. We all find ways to make it through life and belief in the supernatural seems to be rather natural for many of us. So are drugs, alcohol, sex, sports, TV, video games (some of those are modern), etc. Its a way to pass life and fit in.

I get the allure of religion. I don't care for those who would take the life of another or otherwise harm people in the name of a religion, but for many it is a means of peace. But like most aspects of life, we have some who live on the fringe, and they fuck it up for all of us.

So hell is scary to the modern day Christian. And it doesn't make sense in a society that becomes more tolerant to those who are different because, well, they are different. So like much of the Old Testament, hell gets tossed to the wayside so people can believe in a loving God.
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