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just think of the lack of discussions world wide if their was some actual unambiguous proof any theist of any stripe could point to as evidence of god.

thousands of different religions - BOOM; become one, atheists - BOOM; no longer, xian apologetics- BOOM; no need, WWGHA - BOOM answered.....

Too bad God ain't real and there is no proof otherwise.

I like to sit back and watch as theist fail utterly on this.
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Evolution & Creationism / Re: Evolution Explained
« Last post by ParkingPlaces on Today at 09:51:16 AM »
Only one question is still mysterious to me how did very first human got created on this earth?

The same way as the first worm, the first sparrow, the first elephant. We all slowly evolved, and we're still evolving. If we can keep from killing ourselves, someday someone will ask "Only one question is still mysterious to me how did humans 2.0 get created on earth", because we will continue to evolve, and we will continue to be mystified every time we ignore the evidence.
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Biblical Contradictions / Re: Appointed once or twice to die
« Last post by Jag on Today at 09:51:09 AM »
Patrick Henry, I'm still waiting for a reply to my questions in post #7 please. It's been almost a week and you were here as recently as two days ago.
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Evolution & Creationism / Re: Evolution Explained
« Last post by Jag on Today at 08:57:23 AM »
Only one question is still mysterious to me how did very first human got created on this earth?

Humans were not created, they evolved, just like every other living thing on Earth.
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Chatter / Re: Gun Fails
« Last post by Mr. Blackwell on Today at 08:52:27 AM »
Indeed. What crime should Silverman be charged with? Obviously Plotts will get off on an insanity plea but what about the good conservative who ignored company policy and shot a patient?

Why do you assume he is conservative?

Why wouldn't I? It's the easiest assumption to make.
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Chatter / Re: Gun Fails
« Last post by jynnan tonnix on Today at 08:48:13 AM »
Another victory for gun nuts ... sorta:

DA to decide whether to charge killer of intruder who yelled 'I'm pregnant'

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(CNN) -- Tom Greer says he fought back when he was attacked by intruders at his Southern California home. Then he got his gun and fired at them and they ran.

The 80-year-old homeowner says one of the fleeing burglars, a woman, shouted, "I'm pregnant!" He shot her twice, killing her.



I have no problem with the man shooting at an intruder. Anyone who breaks into a home should expect to be met with some violent opposition (personally I prefer a baseball bat or an axe). He shouldn't have shot them when they were running away and/or off his property. Given his age and prior burglaries, I can understand why he did what he did.

I was going to bring up this story yesterday, but wasn't sure where to put it, so glad to find it here already.

What really steams me is the guy's attitude. While I can understand (sort of) the use of a gun as self-defense, that was clearly not the case here as they were, by that point, fleeing the scene. And his comments were (and I may be paraphrasing, but I think I'm close) were, "she said, 'don't shoot me, I'm pregnant', but I shot her anyway", and "the woman wasn't running as fast as the guy was, so I shot her twice, and she's dead". It's as though he is bragging about it. And now they are trying to charge her accomplice with her murder while the guy who actually shot her is lauded as some sort of hero...Don't know how that is going to play out yet, from what I understand they are still reviewing the case, but while they were both clearly in the wrong for burglarizing the house and knocking the old man around, it doesn't make any sort of sense to me to totally exonerate him while pinning an actual murder on the accomplice.

I was taken aback, as well, by reading the comments (this was yesterday, and I don't know whether it was the same source, or whether the reactions are any more balanced now), but probably at least 95% of what I was reading was along the lines of "Yay for the old guy, and good riddance for taking one scumbag out of the gene pool; too bad he didn't kill them both".  It was like a frenzy of congratulation for the guy, and no thought whatsoever that he might have done anything but a favor to the world. I guess the autopsy will show whether or not she was actually pregnant, but even if she was lying (as most of the comments seem to believe) doesn't make shooting her in the back any more right.
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Now that is very true. Hubbard himself said that he made it up as a joke to make money and yet people still defend it. Excellent point. How does one differentiate a false belief from a true belief? Well, I would say the founder making a statement that it's a joke should prove it's false. We have no such statement about Christianity though. Of course, we don't have a statement from Joseph Smith either saying Mormonism is false, but Mormonism has been proven wrong by history experts who have proven Jesus never visited the Native Americans.

So that is 2 religions that are easily proven false and people still defend them. Of course, my belief is that demons answer their prayers and keep them in the religions, but why do you guys think people still believe it even with the proof those 2 are wrong? Also, is it reasonable to believe in Christianity, considering it has never been proven wrong?

The person who made up Christianity was the delusional Saul/Paul and he boasts in his letters that he does not care that the original disciples of Jesus were hostile to him changing their beliefs. So the founder of Christianity actually admits he was just making up new ideas.

History experts will also tell you that Jesus was not a Christian, but there is a bible full of fake documents and stories saying that he was a Christian, building on the false ideas of Saul/Paul.

There is the letter of Peter which says that the universe was made from water (as in genesis).

So you see everything about Christianity has been proven wrong. Your beliefs have also been proven wrong. You believe muslim propaganda videos and the book of Enoch.
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Chatter / Re: Gun Fails
« Last post by Chronos on Today at 07:51:24 AM »
Another victory for gun nuts ... sorta:

DA to decide whether to charge killer of intruder who yelled 'I'm pregnant'

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(CNN) -- Tom Greer says he fought back when he was attacked by intruders at his Southern California home. Then he got his gun and fired at them and they ran.

The 80-year-old homeowner says one of the fleeing burglars, a woman, shouted, "I'm pregnant!" He shot her twice, killing her.



I have no problem with the man shooting at an intruder. Anyone who breaks into a home should expect to be met with some violent opposition (personally I prefer a baseball bat or an axe). He shouldn't have shot them when they were running away and/or off his property. Given his age and prior burglaries, I can understand why he did what he did.

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Chatter / Re: Gun Fails
« Last post by Chronos on Today at 07:32:41 AM »
Indeed. What crime should Silverman be charged with? Obviously Plotts will get off on an insanity plea but what about the good conservative who ignored company policy and shot a patient?

Why do you assume he is conservative?
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How did Christianity start? I don't know. But, I do know that even when the facts are easily researched, folks still find a way to believe what they want to believe. And what they want to believe isn't always good for them. Take homeopathy, for example. Not only has it not been shown to work, but it's been shown not to work. But, people still buy that stuff.

Scientology is another perfect example. Here we have a religion that was started in modern times, has no backing evidence, and even has some things directly pointing to it being a complete con. None of that stops believers from defending it with a passion.

It does not at all seem improbable to me that ancient peoples started believing something like the resurrection.
Also, is it reasonable to believe in Christianity, considering it has never been proven wrong?

Oh but it has been though, hasn't it Skep? Remember star age proving the Earth is older than 6000 years? Proof absolute that your young Earth Christianity is wrong. But because you are deluded, you cannot accept that fact.
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