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Chatter / Re: Worst Movie Ever!
« Last post by nogodsforme on Today at 01:38:47 AM »
Let's see. Worst movies. Attack of the Killer Tomatoes was really bad, but they meant it. And that horrible Barton Fink--I have friends who love that movie. What. The. Eff. I would shoot myself before sitting through that again.  :police:
General Religious Discussion / Re: Church decides who marries
« Last post by One Above All on Today at 01:35:07 AM »
Alright, so the church decides who marries... and therefore marriage loses all significance. Marriage only changes two people's lives because they become related, there are differences in healthcare, taxes, home purchasing, and so on and so forth - all of which are government-related. If marriage is stripped away from government entirely, all you're left with is the expensive ceremony signifying nothing. You could say "Oh, but it means they're committing themselves to each other", but then I say "Sure, verbally. It's not in any way binding. Either one of them could leave and both the church and government couldn't do jack shit because they just said two words to each other. The government doesn't step in if you break a promise, does it?"
Furthermore, if your life before the marriage is exactly the same as after the marriage, then the marriage meant nothing, because nothing changed.
Remember, nogods, that silly goose, Drake, is kind of stuck in the 19th century.  The philosophy he seems to have most studied and the writers he often cites are all mid-1800s people.  So it is not coincidental (though it is weird) that he talks like he just arrived from the Civil War. 

As if nobody can test an idea and see if it is true or not. As if we have not learned anything about how to do science since Aristotle.

He brings up and critiques Aristotlean "atomism" with some frequency too.  As if that is what atheism is based on.

Now I'm imagining him as some Confederate lieutenant who got lost fleeing from the Battle of Gettysburg, happened upon the workshop of a brilliant inventor/mad scientist, stole a prototype time machine and came to the future seeking some way to turn the tide of the War.  But that's almost certainly a cooler and Steampunk-ier narrative than he deserves.  Maybe he just got semi-accidentally snatched up by a couple stoner teenagers in a time-traveling phone booth looking for people to use in their history report, and they forgot to put him back.
Olivianus turns SPAG into SPAM (self-projection-as-many).  You see, if he were so deluded to believe in Darwinism and whatnot, his beliefs would undoubtedly be based on atomism, so therefore that must be true for those he's arguing against, because he's so well-read that he would have noticed if atheism were based on other things.

Or something incomprehensibly vague like that, anyway.
Chatter / Re: Worst Movie Ever!
« Last post by Add Homonym on Yesterday at 11:16:34 PM »
So do I.  I expect that people who judge how well put-together something is aren't going to judge "retarded funny shit" very well.  That's not what they're judging.

There are multiple kinds of criticism.

"Your Highness" is funny retarded shit. I loved it. Watching it right now.


I think Your Highness is a great movie. It has a tear-jerking message about brotherly love in it. Franco and McBride go on, to make other bad movies that aren't worth watching, such as This is The End.

One that I remember quite badly, was Orc Wars  it has a plausible looking girl in it, but most of the movie is set in a mid western paddock, with Orcs driving armoured cars, and being blown up.
General Religious Discussion / Re: Church decides who marries
« Last post by YRM_DM on Yesterday at 11:14:25 PM »
As an atheist, I've always kind of wondered why government is involved in marriage at all in the first place.

Child support laws don't require marriage.

Alimony is pretty much bull and not available in most states.   If I marry, say, Brittney Spears, why on earth gives me any right to take millions of dollars from her after I decide to leave?   She earned the money she should keep the money.   Even if there was some small requirement for the more well off partner to provide limited support to the other partner to get on his/her feet, that's fine, but, marriage is not a business deal.   In most marriage, the person who earns less and works less spends more anyway.   The deadbeat guy who is blowing through his lady's paycheck, or the spoiled wife who is passive aggressively blowing up his accounts.

Why can't people just "decide" who they want to be their beneficiary without it having to be a married partner?   That way, if two gay guys want to be on each other's health care, or each other's power of attorney, it's the same for them or any other couple.   Not that any middle class person has access to good healthcare now that it's "affordable" and out of pocket expenses have tripled in the last year unless you're flat broke.

Why is government in the marriage business anyway? 

Pretty much, anything the government touches, it does poorly... except maybe some road care and regulations to reign in private business greed.

Mostly, if the government offers anything for "free" the only people hurt will be the middle class.  The poorest people can't be hurt anymore, and the rich can take the hit, but the middle class paying $450 a month for family healtcare that has $10,000 out of pocket expenses is like... 4-5x what it used to be.

Divorce laws literally destroy people.  Healthcare is now doing the same.  Anything the government touches just ends up crushing the lives of the people it was supposedly designed to help.

Penn & Teller are pretty much right about all of it...
Chatter / Re: Worst Movie Ever!
« Last post by Add Homonym on Yesterday at 10:38:40 PM »
I remember renting a movie called Eating Raoul with my new wife back in the day.  We never finished it (a rarity for me and movies), and I have absolutely no recollection of what it was about.  I only remembered that it was $1 I regretted spending at Blockbuster.  I had picked it because it had Robert Beltran, but it was just so effing bad...

Its about an asexual couple who discover that they can make loads of money by putting ads in the paper for sex perverts to respond to. The woman gets dressed up, looking kinky, and then the guy bonks them on the head just as they are either raping the girl, or getting horny. Then they take all their spare cash. Raoul, played by Chakotay from Star Trek Voyager, is a burgular, who suggests they can get money for the corpses by selling them as beef. Raoul eventually gets horny for the woman, so they dispose of him, as well. The movie is what you would call amoral.
Chatter / Re: Gun Fails
« Last post by shnozzola on Yesterday at 10:36:54 PM »
Police say Mount pulled out a gun and shot the employee who asked him to put the cigarette out.
Science / Re: Why Do Many Reasonable People Doubt Science?
« Last post by Jag on Yesterday at 10:32:44 PM »
Surprisingly he is rather silent about the center of the Earth on which his primary creations dwell. :-0

And, according to his followers, obsessively interested in the use to which these primary creations put their genitals.

I mean, really, if that's THE most important thing, then the vast sprawling entirety of the rest of the universe is some serious overkill, don't ya think?
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