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One sticking point for me is the whole nudity thing. It wasn't bad until after fruit was consumed, leading to the idea that it was sinful before the fruit but somehow okay because A&E were unaware. Which leads to the question, what other sinful things were 'okay' before the fall? If you don't know the difference between right and wrong are you culpable?
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If a truly peaceful, competent and capable alien culture was able to find us, recognize where we going wrong, and help us correct our deficiencies, I'd be all for it.

"Why, your deficiencies are a lack of fats and sugars in your diet!  You've been doing it wrong this whole time, and need to supplement that with some other very specific nutrients, like salt.  Now if you'll excuse me just for a moment, I've got a bit of light reading to do."



Sadly, I'm old, so I don't know the cultural reference here. But I shall, indeed, heed the words. I'll start by salting my ice cream!!!
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If a truly peaceful, competent and capable alien culture was able to find us, recognize where we going wrong, and help us correct our deficiencies, I'd be all for it.

"Why, your deficiencies are a lack of fats and sugars in your diet!  You've been doing it wrong this whole time, and need to supplement that with some other very specific nutrients, like salt.  Now if you'll excuse me just for a moment, I've got a bit of light reading to do."

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If a truly peaceful, competent and capable alien culture was able to find us, recognize where we going wrong, and help us correct our deficiencies, I'd be all for it. I a world is doing okay and doesn't need help (and also assuming their star isn't about to blow up), I'm all for leaving them be. But in our case, any offer of any level of competent help would be appreciated.

What if they had the capability to use some sort of nano-particles to clean up all pollution on the planet in a matter of days. Or reverse global warming. Or educate us about our misconceptions re: almost everything.

And even if they don't have many ways to directly help, if they had useful insights and wisdoms to offer, I'd take that.

If they'd just take Trump, I'd be fine with that as well. But talk about your unlikely scenarios...
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Religion & Society / Re: Why I support Donald Trump for President
« Last post by Mr. Blackwell on Today at 07:48:42 PM »
I know you aren't saying we're number one. But your opinion of the country was just enough higher than mine to inspire me. Sort of. I'll try not to do it again.

Naw man, let it all out. Just don't project it onto me.
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Religion & Society / Re: Why I support Donald Trump for President
« Last post by ParkingPlaces on Today at 07:42:40 PM »
Forgive my rant. I'm touchy today.

I forgive you even though your response would have made more sense if I was proclaiming that America is Greeeeeat! Apparently, you and OAA can't accept my opinion that America isn't terrible.

I am not arguing that America is #1. I am not arguing that America is the best. I'm just saying that it ain't so bad. That means it could be better, yes...but it could also be worse. Are you trying to convince me that I live in a shit hole? 

P.s.
I don't care about being #1.

I know you aren't saying we're number one. But your opinion of the country was just enough higher than mine to inspire me. Sort of. I'll try not to do it again.
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Religion & Society / Re: Shining example of Christian morality
« Last post by jdawg70 on Today at 07:34:31 PM »
She could probably go for a civil suit.  Depends on how inconveniencing the situation was to her.

I imagine if there were some manner of demonstrable damage (aside from being peeved[1]), it'd have been mentioned in the story somewhere.  Though perhaps small enough claims aren't worth mentioning to a reporter.
 1. Which, by the by, she is totally in her right to be 'cause Shupe is an assclown.
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If we can exclude bringing them unwanted diseases, then why wouldn't we make contact? How about the next tribe making contact with the first? Perhaps they have a few technologies the original tribe doesn't. Or the tribe after that? Where is the cut off point in who should be allowed to contact who and why is it there?

These are good questions.

I don't think there would be a sharp cut off point regarding what circumstances make it appropriate for one independent culture to make contact with another.  I too am going with the 'no easy answers' route.  Another way to put it is that such decisions should be done on a case-by-case basis, as the case itself establishes the relevant criteria used in evaluating 'what action(s) should and should not be done to achieve goal x, which we generally agree is a desirable goal worth pursuing'.

The underlined is the tricky-wicket here.  Who is incorporated in this 'we', and how much wiggle room do we have with the meaning of 'agree'?  The isolated tribe?  Well, I can see us lumping an isolated tribe into the general all human beings category and desires the conveniences of modernity or some other somesuch into agreement.  I suppose I can extrapolate that to an alien civilization composed of sapient entities that have qualia synonymous with 'joy' and 'suffering', though I will say I am concerned with my ability to understand and empathize with an alien civilization.  My human bias is, like, wicked strong there and I am hesitant to say I would truly be able to empathy with an alien.  Ability to communicate with each other would certainly help assuage a lot of that concern, though I do, admittedly, have a wee bit of that concern in relation to myself and other humans, so, I dunno.

Anyway, ramblin'.
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Religion & Society / Re: Why I support Donald Trump for President
« Last post by Mr. Blackwell on Today at 07:22:57 PM »
Forgive my rant. I'm touchy today.

I forgive you even though your response would have made more sense if I was proclaiming that America is Greeeeeat! Apparently, you and OAA can't accept my opinion that America isn't terrible.

I am not arguing that America is #1. I am not arguing that America is the best. I'm just saying that it ain't so bad. That means it could be better, yes...but it could also be worse. Are you trying to convince me that I live in a shit hole? 

P.s.
I don't care about being #1.



 
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I agree that there are no easy answers. And no unequivocably right answers, either. Just a lot of wrong answers and answers that seem right at the time, but later turn out to be wrong.

Things were simpler when you just took over and enslaved the other population-- if you were more powerful. You imposed your language and religion, erased their culture, stole their resources and killed anyone who fought back. Then you rewrote history to make it seem like you were helping them, since they were so backward and needed your advanced civilization. Easy peasy.

Ahhh. Those were the days.  :-\
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