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General Religious Discussion / Pope Francis: "We need a better PR guy"
« Last post by Chronos on Today at 02:49:57 PM »

Bible Student.

What they do when they study prayer is that they have two large groups of patients.  The two groups are both told that they are being prayed for.  Only one group is actually being prayed for.  There's a mix of all faiths in both groups.   The people praying would be genuinely praying, wanting to give positive outcomes to the patients.   

At the end, the results of both groups are measured by people who aren't sure which group is which.

Then, after the results are gained by people who didn't know who to root for, the results are shared with people who did know which group was which.

What ends up happening is that both groups had equal results.

They're not testing miracles, they're testing it like they'd test Advil vs a Placebo to see if Group A reports fewer headaches than Group B, who got the placebo.

Prayer has no impact.

I've also been involved in prayer circles and other things in my time as a believer.   There are no miracles that anyone can verify.   Even improbable medical outcomes are improbable, not impossible, and play out exactly as they would normally. 

If a hospital has 12 patients with a 25% chance to live, and 4 of them live, that's not a miracle, that's medical/scientific probability.

If god answered prayer, that would affect the natural world.  If god affected the natural world, it could be measured.

For example, if Jesus was around today, and could heal amputees, that would be easily measurable by science.   It's not that science fails to measure prayer, it's that prayer doesn't work.

I am actually in the middle of writing a creative essay to submit to a contest about my own childhood and gender identity. As far back as I can remember, I have always been attracted to girls but I also remember wanting to actually BE Wonder Woman and frequently wearing my mother's pantyhose because I liked the way they felt on my skin. I also wanted to join the Girl Scouts of America and played with my sisters dolls. I have dressed in "drag" several times in my life...even in public.

My theory is that if I had been born in say, 2004 or so (instead of 1975), to open minded liberal leaning parents wanting to show how tolerant and understanding they were...I might not have grown up self identifying as a man.
Chatter / Re: South Carolina Flooding - touched by God
« Last post by Chronos on Today at 02:38:17 PM »

Sexuality, Reproduction, & Abortion / Re: Transexuality and children
« Last post by Mrjason on Today at 02:23:03 PM »

I'm confused. What exactly did you mean?

This a cross thread conversation.

I SAID not insinuate that you were being hippocritical in saying that people who suggest that people change their minds are arrogant cunts, as you have done so yourself.

The context is different. I'm just being argumentative for the sake of it.
Chatter / Where there's fire . . .
« Last post by Chronos on Today at 02:19:47 PM »
The first 3 minutes are setup, after 3:00 is when the problems multiply.

Google still needs to work on Asian-language translations:


I'm confused. What exactly did you mean?
Sexuality, Reproduction, & Abortion / Re: Transexuality and children
« Last post by Mrjason on Today at 01:59:09 PM »
1. Irrelevent.
You are you.

It seemed relevant. You seemed to be implying that because I had "changed", I was being a hypocrite by saying I could call people who say "I used to be like you" arrogant cunts. Or did I misunderstand you?

Yes, you have misunderstood me.

I may have misunderstod you also.

Effecting[1] a change is different.

I apologise.
 1. NB not affecting
Chatter / Re: Nam's Annual Insaneathon
« Last post by Emma286 on Today at 01:58:59 PM »
Things can easily be misunderstood when it comes to online communication.    When communicating with somebody  offline you can hear their voice tone/see their facial expression which makes it easier to know if they're joking around or if they're serious with stuff they say!  With forums like this people can't do this, though of course it's possible if you're using something like Skype!

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