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General Religious Discussion / Re: God Strikes Again
« Last post by screwtape on Today at 10:09:20 PM »
It’s funny.  I write a good post, no Darwin.  I throw a tantrum, not only do I not get a smite, but I get a Darwin, with an apology

You folks really need to think about what behaviors you want to reward and what you want to discourage. 
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Chatter / Re: There must be a god.
« Last post by screwtape on Today at 10:06:08 PM »
PS, Verizon has stopped laying it's fiber optic lines.

Yeah, I know.  That goes back almost 10 years.  They laid a bunch of fios and got slaughtered by the shareholders.  Who’s the real customer?  Not me.  The goddamn shareholders.  That is how you run a corporation out of business.

They are no longer saying it's coming, when you call they say it isn't in your neighborhood. FUCKHEADS!

Fuckheads indeed.  When I’ve had to talk to them they “check my options”, but I known my options are crappy dsl or even crappier Comcast.  Then they tell me fios isn’t in my area yet.  I ask, “yet?  Are you implying it’s on its way?”  They then fess up that my grandchildren will be dead and buried before they lay one more inch of fiber optic cable. Sonsabitches.

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General Religious Discussion / Re: Hey check this out.
« Last post by Mr. Blackwell on Today at 08:54:46 PM »
Here's a video. Have yourselves a time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06WqN5gULqs

Care to share the tl;dw version for those of us who don't have the time to invest in watching a video? What point are you hoping to make?

Just speakig out of turn, what I got from the video was a 13 yr old boy who apparently has a proclivaty for physics describing God as energy.

Please ignore my spelling.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Rapture due by April at the outside
« Last post by Nick on Today at 07:47:59 PM »
I wonder whether Donald Trump will get raptured like all the rest of the TrueChristians ?
I can see Trump chasing angels around heaven in his tighty whities
Glad I have no chance of being there to see that!
Yeah, after posting that I thought about limbo and hell.  Think Trump will build a Trump Tower there and how will he survive playing 2nd to God?  Does not sound like this is going to play well.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Question about Satan
« Last post by Nick on Today at 07:44:48 PM »
Well, isn't part of the argument about how God can't show Himself to us because that will somehow destroy our Free Will...fall apart for angels?  They see God all the time and have seen heaven.   So if that is OK and they can have Free Will...why can't God just pop in and say, "Hey, whats up?"
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Hey check this out.
« Last post by albeto on Today at 07:40:44 PM »
Here's a video. Have yourselves a time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06WqN5gULqs

Care to share the tl;dw version for those of us who don't have the time to invest in watching a video? What point are you hoping to make?
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I wonder whether Donald Trump will get raptured like all the rest of the TrueChristians ?
I can see Trump chasing angels around heaven in his tighty whities
Glad I have no chance of being there to see that!
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Is this a genuine prediction with anyone famous going to be humiliated?

Yes and no.

It is a genuine prediction by someone who has made several predictions before. He is not really very famous and if he is wrong, again, I don't think he will feel humiliated.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Hey check this out.
« Last post by Mr. Blackwell on Today at 07:29:47 PM »
Interesting.

My daughter is 14.

She's into art and anime and role playing.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: Question about Satan
« Last post by albeto on Today at 07:28:59 PM »
Furthermore, "Satan" is usually portrayed as a loyal agent of Yahweh's court in the Bible.  If you look up "Satan" in a concordance and read each passage, you'll find that all mentions of "Satan" in the Hebrew Scriptures portray him acting as Yahweh's Grand Inquisitor.  "Satan" is not a name, it's a title (in Hebrew, it's always given the definite article, "ha-Satan," "the Accuser/Adversary")  His role is to root out sin and treason in Yahweh's creation by entrapment and "sting" operations. 

Which would why Satan is considered the "father of lies," he uses deception to entrap those whose loyalty to yahweh might be weak. Do I understand that correctly? But how does that square with comments about Satan's power to possess physical power? For example in Luke, Jesus says, "Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?" (Luke 13:16) This is bringing me back to my Charismatic Catholic group that would have said the woman *believed the lie she was infirm,* and her flesh naturally complied with the expectation. I guess it's kind of like a psychosomatic response to Satan's lies. But that gets into prosperity gospel that is relatively new to the scene, as I understand anyway.

In the New Testament, the demons Jesus casts out all loudly proclaim him to be the Son of God, and do more to spread his renown than his own disciples.  Notably, they seek him out to be "cast out" in public instead of running away or doing anything else that would actually hinder him.  Satan comes to "test" Jesus on schedule, then departs at Jesus' command.  At Jesus' command, he possesses Judas (according to John's Gospel) to make him "betray" him.  As Velkyn mentioned, Satan files an injunction to "sift" Peter, and his request is granted.  There's not a lot of evidence in the Bible that Satan is a rebellious enemy of Yahweh.

The new testament talks about Satan as the opposite of light, the "god of this age" (ie, Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4), which makes it seem like the relationship between god and this office is a rival one. I assumed this was a major element running through the new testament. I've always read it against this expectation anyway. Is this tone reflective of the Zoroastrian influences on the evolving religion, or one the catholic church would have highlighted and expanded over time and today we simply read it through that lens?

These stories really ought to give believers pause.  If "Heaven" was as wonderful and perfect as it's cracked up to be, how could any angels ever want to leave or rebel?  What speech would a rebel angel give, to try to persuade others to join the revolution?

I used to wonder that, but I don't think I ever allowed myself to pursue that thought long enough for it to really effect my faith at the time. Funny how good I got at patrolling and censoring my own thoughts. So much for being free to think what you want.
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