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And an addition to that 12 monkeys.
Would they be following Jesus if he was like the god of the OT. I doubt it, though they do have a tendancy to justify and rationalise everything their god has done.
dloubet called me sir.....

I did? Then please allow me to abjectly apologize for my thoughtless gaffe. :O

I shall try to do better in the future.

 The swatting flies thing. is it fair to say we shouldn't cut cows till they bleed out and eat them after?.....seems your God likes the smell of burning flesh.  The Bible is sweltering with Commands from God to kill other humans who oppose him,Why did this God not gain humanity before the arrival of Jesus?
Religion In The News / Re: ISIS
« Last post by viocjit on Yesterday at 11:40:24 PM »
Yes, Viocjit,
   I would like to hear why you think Muslims are slower to assimilate in France.

We can cite many reasons : (The letters aren't there to indicate the most important things that avoid assimiliation. There are there to make the text easier to read).
Religion : The majority of the population are Apatheist Agnostic or more simply Agnostic followed by Weak Atheism. Strong Atheism isn't common. I'm a Strong Atheist and I think that if a day the majority of the population of France turn itself to strong atheism the French society will be more peaceful because religious problems will nearly cease to exist. Problem tied to religion are a real problem because they provocate social problems such Islamic riots (As example I can cite this riot for Anti-Semitic reasons in Sarcelles (postal code : 95200) that happened this year) . The majority of Catholic (first religion in number of believer)
are Cafetaria Catholics who doesn't practice Christianity even if they believe in this religion. The majority of Muslims (Islam is the second religion in number of believer but this is the first in number of those who practise) are Sunnis Maliki.

A.The Islamic religion is a problem because Muslims refuse secularism except Cocktail Muslims (French : Laïcité).

Example 1 : The niqab is forbide because the French law forbide you to hide your face in public with any items (balaclava , mask , niqab etc...).
But for many Muslims (the majority of people who wear this Islamic cloth are Europeans women convert to Salafism) this law must not be respected
because sharia is more important that country's laws.
There are some time a riot happened in Trappes (Postal code : 78190) because a police unit who would like make respect the law (this law
is nearly never applied to avoid riots or any other problems of this kind)
. Therefore they ask to the woman to show her face. The husband attacked police
forces accorded to offical version. They were put in the police station. Consequences : Riots happened because rioters would like that policemen free these people.

Example 2 : When this is feast of breaking the fast. Muslims don't go at school even if they must to go there because "Eid-el-Fitr" isn't a holiday in our calendar.
That is a problem because if the Ministry of Education (French : Ministère de l’Éducation Nationale) allow implicitely Muslims to skip school this day this is unfair
for people of others faith who doesn't permit themselves to skip school for a religious feast. Also the another problem is that teachers don't teach to those who come
this day (I know this situation many time and I precise that the last time that I was in this situation was in a vocation school in which approximately 80% of students
are Muslims)

Example 3 : They cofound Secularism and State Atheism.

B.Muslims are also a problem because of theirs beliefs.

Example 1 : In many zones of France biological teachers skip parts of the official programm about the theory of evolution to avoid problem with the Islamic Community then being send in another zone far of their home by the ministry.

Example 2 : In many zones of France this is nearly imposible to make study a text from the age of enlightment if you're a French language teacher , because these texts are against Islamic values.

Example 3 : This is imposible to make understand to them the Western conception of gender equality. If you're a teacher , social worker , policeman etc...

C.They compass their time to offend French people (When I say French people I'm speaking about French of all ethnic origins who can be offended as non-Muslims).
Example 1 : Street prayer who are illegal accorded to French laws because this is a trouble for public order.
Example 2 : In some places of France if a non-Muslim drink or eat during ramadan in public he / she can be beaten and / or killed.
Example 3 : It does exist places that Muslims control partially (in these zones , the laws of Islamic gangs does apply and French laws doesn't apply).
The majority of people who live in these zones people receive allocations from French republic. If a day the state cease to give money to them I can
guarant you that Islamic control will increase in these areas.
The Emergency Room / Re: Lukvance
« Last post by Lukvance on Yesterday at 10:36:53 PM »
If you read the thread about the existence of God you will realize that a shift happen from proving God's existence with theory/ideas to proving it with facts. This was made after someone revealing to me that even if logically God existed it did not count as proof of his existence. That proof needed something that you can see/touch/feel with your senses. And that's when I presented miracles.
I listen to you. I disagree with you. Why does it makes you so mad that I disagree with you?
The Emergency Room / Re: Lukvance
« Last post by Lukvance on Yesterday at 10:32:04 PM »
There is no singular quote from you that serves as singular evidence of this conclusion. 
Are you sure? There must be "something"! Not just a baseless feeling.

I could quote myself telling someone that he is right... More than once. (if I was allowed)
The Emergency Room / Re: Lukvance
« Last post by jdawg70 on Yesterday at 09:49:17 PM »
Without others input how do you propose I evolve?


Lukvance, if there is anything that you've proven on this forum throughout your entire presence here - throughout every single one of your posts - it is that you do not appear to value the input of others.

You want a quote from your posts that back that up or something?  I really can't do that, as this is a conclusion borne from the observation of a pattern of behavior.  There is no singular quote from you that serves as singular evidence of this conclusion.  It is a long observed trend of you dismissing, often via omission or blatant ignoring of, input to you from others.  Often, it has manifested in the form of someone providing their input regarding your arguments and your general behavior, you countering with a "nuh-huh I ain't no do that" or a "well whatever but yeah it still means that done be true", and you not changing your argument/claim and not modifying your behavior in any form or fashion without so much as a <expletive deleted> explanation as to why your behavior and retorts are not dismissing, avoidant, irrelevant, illogical, unsupported, unwarranted, nonsensical, contradictory, and/or blatantly false[1] when it clearly is so[2].  But singular instances of such behavior do not indicate someone who is being intentionally dismissive of the input of others.  Singular instances can be readily explained by the fallible nature of being human.  We screw up sometimes.  It just freakin' happens.

So yeah; we - everyone - let it slide once in a while.

But oh man...with you.  Over, and over, and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again and again, you parrot the exact same things, regardless of what is or is not said to you, pointed out to you, provided you reference to, yadayadayada.  Repeatedly.

And this above...this makes you look like you think that no one has genuinely tried to reason with you.  You pretend that all the words that people say to you are by default wrong without having to consider it.

I...I need you to understand just how damn disrespectful and insulting[3] that is.

I mean - do you value the input of others?  Saying that you do is one thing.  Actually behaving as if you value the input of others is a loosely-related but essentially different thing.



I know it's the emergency room.  I know it is.  I realize that there are boundaries of behavior that should not be crossed - that are generally agreed upon as to be grossly inappropriate.

Sometimes when I need to let some anger and frustration out, I bite down on my knuckle.  It is not a good habit, and I recognize that, but I have not really done a whole lot in my life to correct it.  At least as far as I can tell, it has helped me to stem saying things to people that I otherwise may have, and there have been those times that has been of clear benefit.  I have, over the years, taken some steps to reduce how much I do it though.  Sometimes a scream in to a pillow will suffice.  Other times require the proverbial headdesking.

Understand something, Lukvance - my finger is bleeding right now.
 1. Thanks to you, every time the word boson enters my field of view, I immediately feel the urge to punch your Jesus-avatar in the face.
 2. The last 30+ pages of that Probabilities of god's existence debate thread is one big steaming pile of you being a brick wall.
 3. Yes...I'm well aware of how disrespectful and insulting I've been with you.  I was aware of it before I posted those things, while I was composing those things, after I hit post, and will probably remember it for many years to come.  I've not been inclined to feel the impulse to be such a massive jackass for quite some time, and the magnitude of the qualia of experience I felt for that event is sufficiently large as to warrant a label of 'special and notable event case'.
General Religious Discussion / Re: in need of coaching again;
« Last post by eh! on Yesterday at 09:36:39 PM »
at this point, I am zip, debating partner is brabo, hans is another Xian, I might bring up the fact jesus never seemed to have a girl friend in response to the wife stuff.;

Hans you have seemed to indicate instinctive behaviour is proof of god, what about animals that eat their partners after mating with them?

Brabo - this whole; (paraphrasing) i created it, i can do what i want with it line of would be very supportive of abortion then yes?

Zip I have asked you questions but you have answered none. I know you like to debate/argue (you are vk4gsd on PDB correct :))and I'm sure you were glad when I agreed to meet you on this thread. I also remember your posts to me when I first came, we are very different in age and I'm going to respect you're set in your ways and I respect that. Originally I asked that you PM me. I'm not going to answer anymore questions until you answer mine :). I'm not here to change your mind! I'm answering your questions, but I don't want it to get to this point of badgering or making fun. You know the answer to the last question above... I'll go as far as to say (just so you can label me :)) that I am a conservative, God loving and God fearing individual, that believes every word of the Bible is true. I believe America needs to get on its knees and pray and we need revival. We need to stop shaking our fists at God and start following his Word. Despite my views Zip I did manage to find a wife though :) and we have a child Oh No!

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD

As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

John 15:18 KJV If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalm 12:6-7, KJV)
Religion In The News / Re: No birth control for you!
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 09:09:36 PM »
I don't see this as a bad thing. If the court says no to these knew companies wanting to opt out (which may happen, or not) then they'd have to reassess their decision on HL. Or, people will see how ridiculous it all is and object but then Congress will do nothing and ..

Never mind.

Chatter / Re: Rock Hashanah or Hip Hop Hashanah?
« Last post by Nam on Yesterday at 09:03:51 PM »

Some guys in high school tried to get me to smoke some of that, but I passed. 

If no hash how about ass?


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