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General Religious Discussion / Re: i reccomend this debate - re morality
« Last post by jdawg70 on Today at 12:59:03 PM »
But it's been pointed out time and time again that God gave the Canaanites PLENTY of chances to repent and they kept refusing. Why should God allow people to enjoy what He has given them if they are just going to spit in his face?

The rules were broken. They have to deal with the consequences.

Well, let's be honest - they didn't have to deal with the consequences.  God could have chosen to not dole out this particular consequence.

I mean, if god did not intervene, would there have been negative consequences for the Canaanites to face?  If so, shouldn't that have been the consequence that they suffered?  If not, what exactly is the point of the rule?

If you try to teach someone to not to touch fire, how do you do it?  Do you try to get them to understand that the consequence is that they'll get burned, and if they don't want to get burned, they shouldn't touch the fire?  Or do you try to get them to understand that the consequence is that you'll kill their family, and if they don't want their family killed, they shouldn't touch the fire?

If you want to try to teach someone how to not get burned by touching a fire, you should go with the former.  If you want to try to teach someone that they shouldn't think for themselves and should just do whatever it is you want them to do, you should go with the latter.  One of these motivations is substantially less moral than the other.  I leave it to you to figure out which one looks like it comes from an egotistical control freak and which one comes from someone who gives a sh*t about the other person.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: i reccomend this debate - re morality
« Last post by Dante on Today at 12:55:21 PM »
Yeah, I don't understand, for the life of me, why Christians find the moral argument to be impressive. It doesn't make sense on its own terms and it forces you into accepting some pretty ugly things as moral if you think that the conquest of Canaan was an actual thing that happened.

But it's been pointed out time and time again that God gave the Canaanites PLENTY of chances to repent and they kept refusing. Why should God allow people to enjoy what He has given them if they are just going to spit in his face?

The rules were broken. They have to deal with the consequences.

Sorry, I'm not totally familiar with this story.

Were ALL the Canaanites reprehensible? Did each and every one of them break the rules?

If not, your god's morality is subject to question. If so, your god's narcissistic personality omni-benevolence is subject to question.
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Well I was amazed at what we have learned from this bone and find the topic of human evolution, especially the interaction with Neanderthals fascinating. I look forward to reading more in the future.
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General Religious Discussion / Re: i reccomend this debate - re morality
« Last post by Timo on Today at 12:31:40 PM »
But it's been pointed out time and time again that God gave the Canaanites PLENTY of chances to repent and they kept refusing. Why should God allow people to enjoy what He has given them if they are just going to spit in his face?

The rules were broken. They have to deal with the consequences.

What about the children?
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Sexuality, Reproduction, & Abortion / Re: Child Molestation
« Last post by wheels5894 on Today at 12:29:20 PM »
There are civilized people who think pedophiles can do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't involve real children.

a 56 year old man has consensual sex with a 12 year old boy.  should this man be labeled a pedophile...?

Probably as the boy is too young to give consent! Either way the 56 year old would end up in prison most likely as he should know better.
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Evolution & Creationism / Re: Happy 6,028th Birthday Earth!
« Last post by wheels5894 on Today at 12:24:09 PM »
I might be a little short on candles, but let's all wish a Happy 6,028th Birthday to our unshakable pillared disk!
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/joseph-farah-celebrates-earth-s-6028th-birthday-some-facts-about-dinosaurs
In some circumstances, I believe it morally justifiable to beat sense into a person.

Not going to work! They would be long dead before anything got into the thick skulls. It would be much more like 'flogging a dead horse'!
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Yeah, I don't understand, for the life of me, why Christians find the moral argument to be impressive. It doesn't make sense on its own terms and it forces you into accepting some pretty ugly things as moral if you think that the conquest of Canaan was an actual thing that happened.

But it's been pointed out time and time again that God gave the Canaanites PLENTY of chances to repent and they kept refusing. Why should God allow people to enjoy what He has given them if they are just going to spit in his face?

The rules were broken. They have to deal with the consequences.

But were they? How do we know that any god told them anything? All we know is that the priests who wrote this stuff down wanted to put down the Canaanites and so accused them of all sorts - no doubt a century or more after the event or even longer so no one could say it was wrong.
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Yeah, I don't understand, for the life of me, why Christians find the moral argument to be impressive. It doesn't make sense on its own terms and it forces you into accepting some pretty ugly things as moral if you think that the conquest of Canaan was an actual thing that happened.

But it's been pointed out time and time again that God gave the Canaanites PLENTY of chances to repent and they kept refusing. Why should God allow people to enjoy what He has given them if they are just going to spit in his face?

The rules were broken. They have to deal with the consequences.
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Chatter / Re: Poetry, or "What I Believe to be Poetry"
« Last post by Nam on Today at 11:55:53 AM »
Look, asshole, I posted this topic for EVETYONE to post poems. Not for you to come in and insult me. Which is what you're doing. You're not critiquing the work, you're insulting me by ragging on how I write

Fuck you. I don't use punctuation because I DON'T KNOW HOW! The form IS my punctuation.

And by the way, my form, that I CREATED is taught in schools.

Asshole.

-Nam
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thought this thread looked interesting... clicked the link, read the article and indeed it was fascinating and informative. 

of course the commentary here at wwgha was the usual tripe circle jerking... but i must say, i was a little disappointed to find similar commentary on the national geographic site.

people have lost their damn minds i tell ya... what say you graybeard?
I say the "circle jerking" as you call it, is unremarkable. It is easy to forget this a site that is seeking an answer to its site title and the post is in the Evolution & Creationism section, and links nicely with http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,27564.msg636490.html#msg636490

I'm not sure which people you mean when you say "people have lost their damn minds." Could you clarify?
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