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My ex-Mormon vegan buddy does not eat a healthy diet at all. He eats lots of fried foods, chips, candy, sugar and carb-loaded desserts and drinks tons of sugary drinks. He is a runner and that is the only reason he is not as big as a house. When he gets a bit older and his metabolism shifts down, even running won't keep him from gaining tons of weight.

He admits that he is vegan for the animals, not for health reasons.

I say, what else are pigs for, if not for bacon? :?

My brother's soon-to-be exwife[1] is a vegan and she is very big boned. So's my brother but his is partially genetics, but she used to be thin and became a vegan in college, I think, and she is fat now, like really fat. She does not eat healthy, in my opinion.

-Nam
 1. She cheated on him for over a year with her high school sweetheart, she cheated on my brother while he was being diagnosed with clinical depression.
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There are a lot of different bibles being used by Christians throughout the world.
There is debate over what is inspired scripture.

What is the reliable method that can be shown to produce the actual inspired scriptures (as opposed to falsely claimed inspired scripture)?
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Hey, wheels, are you saying that L Ron Hubbard was a demon? That would explain a lot. Tom Cruise, for example. That is a demonic grin if ever I saw one.
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^^^Anticipating Jst's response as the resident JW-lite here, he will probably say that Jehovah does not actually need human worship. We humans have this strange need to worship someone or something. If we are left to our own sinful devices, we will run off willy-nilly and worship the wrong things, like money, sex, cars, sports, cell phones, shoes, ourselves, cats, food, demons, nature, or Robert Downey Jr. as Sherlock Holmes.

So, to make sure we do not bow down and pray to pile of money or ask a ham sandwich to heal our toenail fungus, Jehovah is generously stepping in to fill that "object of worship" role. I am not sure what harm it would do to worship cats, or pray to money, or to ask a ham sandwich to heal stuff, since the cats, pile of money and the sandwich will not do anything one way or another, but that is evidently a concern of Jehovah's.

The other problem is that if we humans have this strange need to worship things, it is because Jehovah made us that way. Why would he make us so worship-needy, if he did not intend for us to worship him? That gets us back to the question of why an all powerful god-being would need a starship. That was the question, wasn't it?

Or maybe it was why a god would want, need or expect humans to worship it.  :?

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Re: the Tower of Babel. What languages were created separate from each other? It's just that I'm a native English speaker, but as I work in Scandinavia and have Swedish and Norwegian friends, I'm learning the language. Swedish first, although Norsk is pretty close. And as I study, I find the origin of so many English words are based in the Scandinavian languages. In fact on mentioning this to my mum, she pointed out that having worked in Edinburgh University's English Department, the English Language student's first year was spent mainly on Old Norsk as that is a one of the foundations of English.

So, as I said; please state the languages that were created as a result of the Tower of Babel. I have an interest in this; some of my wife's family actually think this is how languages formed.

You can state just a couple if you wish.
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Damn it.  Just when we thought we had this figured out.  Oh, by the way, no demons last night.  Milk and cookies failed.
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But hang on a minute, guys! The Catholics who Nogods say are worshipping demons don't think they are. Rather they think every other Christina and pseudo-Christian (Mormon) group are worshipping demons. In fact, every Christian group thinks all the others have got it wrong, so the only reasonable conclusion is that all the religions are worshipping demons - except the Scientologists who are worshipping L Ron Hubbard. Hang on, I was right to start with!
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The theme of the entire Bible is the sanctification of Jehovah's name and the vindication of his sovereignty.  It begins with a challenge to Jehovah's sovereignty in the Eden rebellion, ending an earthly paradise, and ends with the vindication of it with the "tent of God" being "among mankind", and the restoration of paradise.  The Bible shows that this restoration will come about by means of a kingdom, a theocratic nation ruled by God's own son.  This kingdom was the theme of Christ's teaching as well as the prophets before him.

Q: To paraphrase the renowned theologian Captain James T. Kirk, what need does God have, for "sovereignty?"  In other words, if Jehovah can create a hundred billion galaxies with a thought, what possible use could he have for obedient humans?  Since Jehovah presumably did not evolve from animals (thus, did not inherit biological drives for things like claiming territory/wealth/food or other resources, status-seeking, dominance, etc. in order to enhance access to mating opportunities and individual survival), where would he even get an interest, much less a desperate need, to be King of All The Humans?

Q: Consider the following passage from Scripture (2 Samuel 22:7-11):

Quote
In my distress I called upon the Lord;
    to my God I called.
From his temple he heard my voice,
    and my cry came to his ears.

Then the earth reeled and rocked;
    the foundations of the heavens trembled
    and quaked, because he was angry.
Smoke went up from his nostrils,
    and devouring fire from his mouth;
    glowing coals flamed forth from him.
(Q1)

He bowed the heavens, and came down;
    thick darkness was under his feet.
He rode on a cherub, and flew;(Q2)
    he was seen upon the wings of the wind.


Q1: Why do you think Jehovah would be described in such blatantly demonic imagery?

Q2: Why would Jehovah need to ride around on the back of another creature in order to fly?[1]  Can't he fly (or just teleport to wherever he wants to be) under his own power?  If he's an incorporeal spirit (John 4:24) how is all this flying and carrying even possible?

Q3: If the passage above[2] is metaphorical, allegorical, esoteric, or in some other way not descriptive of Jehovah's nature and appearance, why use such imagery when it would be demeaning, if not blasphemous, to an omnimax spiritual deity?
 1. See also the first chapter of Ezekiel, where he is portrayed descending to Earth in a strange vehicle carried (?) by bizarre-looking "living creatures" and their "wheels full of eyes".
 2. As well as the "vehicle" chapters in Ezekiel and other passages where Jehovah is described with what seem like physical attributes.
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Chatter / Re: What can I do with 33 pink lanw flamigos?
« Last post by Nick on Today at 01:11:33 PM »
I am sensing a serial flamingo killer about.

(What??? no waterboarding?) (Or hot lamp on the beck).
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My ex-Mormon vegan buddy does not eat a healthy diet at all. He eats lots of fried foods, chips, candy, sugar and carb-loaded desserts and drinks tons of sugary drinks. He is a runner and that is the only reason he is not as big as a house. When he gets a bit older and his metabolism shifts down, even running won't keep him from gaining tons of weight.

He admits that he is vegan for the animals, not for health reasons.

I say, what else are pigs for, if not for bacon? :?
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