How is it that you expect me to provide answers relative to God’s wisdom in these matters? If you know of any miracles that have not been performed, please share.
I’ll give you one miracle that wasn’t performed. A young mother was diagnosed with a very malignant, very fast moving cancer in my former church. She had two children under the age of 3. She had a loving husband. She had the church and she was a most faithful woman. All were praying for her to live. She died less than three months after the diagnosis. Now what is your excuse?
A very heart wrenching story for sure.
Again, BS, you have claimed an adaptation can be false or true. You have yet to show how this is supposed to work. An adaptation can be beneficial (in the idea of evolution, allowing for more progeny to be made) or harmful (not allowing more progeny to be made) in a given environment; or neutral with no effect at all. You’ve given this as the definition you are using for false and true: “True: accurate or exact; In accordance with fact or reality. False: Not according with truth or fact; incorrect. Illusory; not actually so.” How can an adaptation be false or true by using your own choice of definition and knowing how adaptations work in an environment?
We are discussing belief
adaptation. You seem to be referring to something else??
What Plantinga argues is that a neurological process produces behaviors and beliefs. The neurological processes producing each of these states is going to be subjected to natural selection which will maintain or eliminate them based on their ability to enhance surviviability and reproduction…not based on whether they are true or not.“Natural selection is interested in adaptive behavior and adaptive causes of behavior (say, neurology)..... it doesn’t give a hoot whether your beliefs are true or false. You can believe whatever you want as long as you behave in the right way.”
The fact that you have no evidence, physical or otherwise, to support your belief, and neither does any other theist, and the fact that there is evidence to indicate your religious claims (including the bible) are not based in reality(completely different events happening at the times claimed by Christians), indicates that no, the same can’t be said for the conclusion that theism is based on false belief is only a belief in itself. There is evidence to support that conclusion that there are not god/s, and especially no gods as detailed by humans. You have yet to show that there is any evidence for your god, and I am including supposed logical arguments like onotology, etc because those only may argue for a vague entity, not the detailed god offered by you, other Christians and other theists.
Out of curiosity, I would ask how a baseless belief that there is no god/s would serve a beneficial function? You postulated it, now support it. If you cannot, then there is no reason to accept it as a valid hypothesis, when it serves no purpose other than being a theist’s attempt to say “but but you’re just the same as we are, so you can’t tell us we’re wrong.”
Who said anything about a baseless belief in no god/s? I think you are misinterpreting what was said.
The comment(s) I think you are referring to related to a false belief in religion that some believe became an adaptation because it provides a beneficial function. I’m just repeating what others have said. Go ask Foxy
, she claims it is a false belief allowed by evolution. There’s plenty of info relating to this hypothesis out on the internet.“But in addition to helping humans make rational decisions, hypersensitive agency-detecting device may have planted the seeds for religious thought. In addition to attributing agency to lions, for example, humans started attributing agency to things that really didn't have agency at all.
You have said this about your god “The request to provide physical evidence of a non-physical deity is a logical category error.” I was wrong in saying you said had no evidence for this god, I was wrong and I am sorry.
I honestly do not understand what you are referring to here. I know I made the statement about a logical category error but I do not recall where you said what you are claiming to have said. Either way, if you feel you made a mistake and are apologizing then no worries. All is well.
I am asking where the evidence for your god is and for the essential events claimed in your holy book, that is in accordance with reality. You have yet to show this. Now, if your god does miracles which interact with the physical, e.g. healing, then we would have physical evidence. If the essential events in your bible were caused by your god, they would have left evidence, a massive flood deposit, the loss of all of the precious metals of most of the Egyptians and the loss of the entire Egyptian army and the attention that would have garnered from Egypt’s enemies, razed cities, burnt Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. You have also claimed that the following were evidence for your god: “Logic, reason, math, morality, beliefs.” This also leads back to my point that any theist can claims this, and you are stuck again in believing in those other gods, BS, because you have no more evidence than those other theists do, despite your claiming that you know so very many things are true, that your god is real, that you know where we are going and how we came to be etc etc. Your statement above also makes it rather curious for other Christians who claim that they do indeed have physical evidence for this god. Who should we believe?
When naturalism is claimed as false, that there is only natural, as opposed to supernatural, forces, then you also claim evolutionary theory false since it uses only those forces, no god to be seen at all, and certainly not your version of your god. I’m still quite happy to see where you can show your immaterial outside of time god does anything at all.
In addition to post #641 which is in reply to the request for evidence, what is your take on unexplained healings (eg. Miracle at Lourdes), irreducible complexity, near-death experiences, demon possession, origin of the universe, origin of life, modern day prophecy, quantum physics? Is it possible to you that there are already evidences for a deity?
You have made claims that your beliefs are more coherent than others but you have not shown how or why we should find your claims valid. You now try to claim the excuse that you don’t have time to do so, but we know that you have no problem in posting reams. By all means, do it for one. It will be most interesting to see which religion you choose.
It’s hilarious that you now want me to do exactly what was asked of you when you so whined about how much work it would be. I am not making an assumption at all, BS, because I know a lot about other religions and yes, their believers can, and do, make the same claims as you have: that some spirit is confirming their beliefs for them, that the universe is the evidence for their god and no other; that only their god could make life; miracles are answered by their god; morals and logic were invented by their god; the evolutionary model is incomplete so their god must be hiding in the cracks; their prayers were answered, that their holy books/myths, etc tell them how we got here, why we’re here and where we’re going. Indeed, religion is invented to supposedly give answers for just those questions. Add to this that there is also no evidence for Jesus Christ, son of God, living dying or resurrecting, no more than there being avatars of Vishnu or loas inhabiting people. Your sad little attempt to claim that they also must acknowledge Jesus, is such a pathetic attempt to ignore what I’ve said.
You wish examples. Very well. the Muslims, the Hindu, the Wicca, the Zoroasterians, the Sikhs, the Ba-hai, etc. Each has their special leaders (perhaps not so much Wicca since there are so many eclectic practioners), each has their claims of creation, spirits, miracles, morality and logic, gaps that they claim their gods fill, how we got here, why we’re here and where we are going. What I’m guessing is that we are headed right for that common Christian tactic, to try to claim that Christianity is “unique”, therefore it must be true.
Okay. No problem. I’ll pick one and provide a compare and contrast
and explain why Christianity is the more coherent and thorough faith.
As expected, after making claims that your god answers your prayers, and does all these wonderful things, you now beg ignorance on why your God doesn’t fulfill its promises. It seems we are left with only a few possibilities: Is it that your bible is making a false promise? Are you not a true Christian, just like every other Christian who can’t do these things e.g. every one of you? Why aren’t there empty children’s hospitals and veterans’ hospitals, not to mention every nursing home where people are dying from things like Parkinson’s, dementia, etc? All we have from you is “How is it that you expect me to provide answers relative to God’s wisdom in these matters” We can contrast this with all of your claims on how great this god is for answering your prayers and letting you know everything there is to know, and how loving this god is. So we seem to have a god that only cares about BS, only answers BS’s prayers, and says screw everyone else who prayed for help. We have miracles claimed and funny how this god never ever touches an amputee and restores that which was blown, ripped or cut off. Poor BS, someone is asking lil’ ol’ *you* why your god fails, and all you apparently have is “well maybe he didn’t want to heal someone for you know, *reasons*”.
This is the second Mt Everst of absurdity you’ve posted in the same thread. You expect the almighty Creator of the world to bow down to the demands of the atheist rejectionist so that the atheist rejectionist may have her demands met? What you think
God should do is based on your own intellectually immature ideas which have no justification in reason or logic. To observe someone actually demonstrate this level of self-righteousness and superiority over God is, indeed, to observe the Mt Everest of absurdity.