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Title: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 24, 2015, 06:18:28 AM
I am.  Let's define the term. 

a system of values and beliefs that is based on the idea that people are basically good and that problems can be solved using reason instead of religion

This is my ideology.  Let's see the rest.(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-excited001.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

a :  devotion to the humanities :  literary culture
b :  the revival of classical letters, individualistic and critical spirit, and emphasis on secular concerns characteristic of the Renaissance
2
:  humanitarianism
3
:  a doctrine, attitude, or way of life centered on human interests or values; especially :  a philosophy that usually rejects supernaturalism and stresses an individual's dignity and worth and capacity for self-realization through reason

I especially like definition 3. 

Here's wiki's definition: Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism). The meaning of the term humanism has fluctuated, according to the successive intellectual movements which have identified with it.[1] Generally, however, humanism refers to a perspective that affirms some notion of a "human nature" (sometimes contrasted with antihumanism).

In modern times, humanist movements are typically aligned with secularism, and today "Humanism" typically refers to a non-theistic life stance centred on human agency, and looking to science instead of religious dogma in order to understand the world.

Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Azdgari on March 24, 2015, 06:20:13 AM
Some are.  Some aren't.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: One Above All on March 24, 2015, 06:22:54 AM
Some are.  Some aren't.
/thread
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 24, 2015, 06:33:28 AM
Some are.  Some aren't.

Where do you get your information from?

Some Christians are good some aren't. 

Should they be?  Let me clarify, my apologies.  Should atheists be humanists if they want to be an atheist?
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Mrjason on March 24, 2015, 06:44:32 AM
Some are.  Some aren't.

Where do you get your information from?


Look at the definitions junebug72, some atheists don't give a flying fuck about the rest of humanity, some atheists are buddhists.

Being atheist doesn't necessarily follow that you are humanist.

A few more defenitions for you

Quote
Roughly speaking, the word humanist has come to mean someone who:
 
    •trusts to the scientific method when it comes to understanding how the universe works and rejects the idea of the supernatural (and is therefore an atheist or agnostic)
     •makes their ethical decisions based on reason, empathy, and a concern for human beings and other sentient animals
     •believes that, in the absence of an afterlife and any discernible purpose to the universe, human beings can act to give their own lives meaning by seeking happiness in this life and helping others to do the same.

However, definitions abound and there are longer and shorter versions. The fullest definition to have a measure of international agreement is contained in the 2002 Amsterdam Declaration (http://iheu.org/humanism/the-amsterdam-declaration/) of the International humanist and Ethical Union. Some others include:
 

…a commitment to the perspective, interests and centrality of human persons; a belief in reason and autonomy as foundational aspects of human existence; a belief that reason, scepticism and the scientific method are the only appropriate instruments for discovering truth and structuring the human community; a belief that the foundations for ethics and society are to be found in autonomy and moral equality…
 
- Concise Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy
 

An appeal to reason in contrast to revelation or religious authority as a means of finding out about the natural world and destiny of man, and also giving a grounding for morality…Humanist ethics is also distinguished by placing the end of moral action in the welfare of humanity rather than in fulfilling the will of God.
 
- Oxford Companion to Philosophy
 

Believing that it is possible to live confidently without metaphysical or religious certainty and that all opinions are open to revision and correction, [Humanists] see human flourishing as dependent on open communication, discussion, criticism and unforced consensus.
 
- Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy
 

That man should show respect to man, irrespective of class, race or creed is fundamental to the humanist attitude to life. Among the fundamental moral principles, he would count those of freedom, justice, tolerance and happiness…the attitude that people can live an honest, meaningful life without following a formal religious creed.
 
- Pears Cyclopaedia, 87th edition, 1978
 

Rejection of religion in favour of the advancement of humanity by its own efforts.
 
- Collins Concise Dictionary
 

A non-religious philosophy, based on liberal human values.
 
- Little Oxford Dictionary
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 1. 
https://humanism.org.uk/humanism/ (https://humanism.org.uk/humanism/)
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Jag on March 24, 2015, 06:49:47 AM
Should atheists be humanists if they want to be an atheist?

Atheism is about beliefs, humanism is about ethics. They are not interchangeable because they describe different things.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: jetson on March 24, 2015, 07:02:23 AM
I am a humanist. I am also a strong atheist (there are no gods, there never were, and there never will be).

Not all atheists would call themselves humanists, but I bet a lot of them would identify as humanists. Personally, I think the atheist label works very well in gaining attention for discussions (in real life). I'm getting used to it myself, but I bet it sounds like Satanist to many people who do not know what atheism really is.

To me, we use these labels to represent something about who we are. But so many of us are more nuanced than any single label, or set of labels can accurately describe. Like many things about humans, the distinctions blur into each other in so many different ways.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: LoriPinkAngel on March 24, 2015, 11:41:32 AM
I have heard the term humanist demonized as much as the term atheist by some factions of christians.  I don't think they are interchangeable, though.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: jetson on March 24, 2015, 12:48:11 PM
I have heard the term humanist demonized as much as the term atheist by some factions of christians.  I don't think they are interchangeable, though.

Yes, I have seen dubious links from some people between the two, as though they are both equally evil. However, we true atheists know who the real evil one is!....mwu ha ha ha ha ha ha...
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Nam on March 24, 2015, 01:35:34 PM
I have heard the term humanist demonized as much as the term atheist by some factions of christians.  I don't think they are interchangeable, though.

Yes, I have seen dubious links from some people between the two, as though they are both equally evil. However, we true atheists know who the real evil one is!....mwu ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Why do you always have to bring me into this?

Wait, what?

-Nam
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 24, 2015, 02:06:44 PM
Should atheists be humanists if they want to be an atheist?

Atheism is about beliefs, humanism is about ethics. They are not interchangeable because they describe different things.

You said atheism was not a belief.  Do you take that back now?
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: jaimehlers on March 24, 2015, 03:15:35 PM
Atheism just has to do with whether one believes that gods exist or not.  So I don't think the question of whether one is a humanist has anything to do with them being an atheist or not, nor should it.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: lectricpharaoh on March 24, 2015, 03:20:00 PM
Atheism is about beliefs, humanism is about ethics. They are not interchangeable because they describe different things.

You said atheism was not a belief.  Do you take that back now?
Atheism is about beliefs, though it isn't, itself, a belief.  Think of it as saying 'whether or not one is an atheist depends on the state of their belief in gods', which is true- you cannot be an atheist if you hold the belief that gods, or a god, exists.  Many atheists also lack belief that other supernatural claims are true, hold a positive belief that gods do not exist, favor empiricism and the scientific method as the best truth-seeking tools we have at our disposal, and/or are humanists, but none of these things are part of the definition of 'atheist'.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 24, 2015, 03:48:59 PM
^^that question was for Jag^^  I can link back to the thread.  OCG and I both said okay atheism is not a belief.  Jag said thanks we said you're welcome.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 24, 2015, 03:51:38 PM
I have heard the term humanist demonized as much as the term atheist by some factions of christians.  I don't think they are interchangeable, though.

Yes, I have seen dubious links from some people between the two, as though they are both equally evil. However, we true atheists know who the real evil one is!....mwu ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Why do you always have to bring me into this?

Wait, what?

-Nam

You got yourself here idiot.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: One Above All on March 24, 2015, 03:53:02 PM
What all atheists are: atheists.
What all atheists aren't: literally everything else.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: nogodsforme on March 24, 2015, 06:07:43 PM
I am an atheist. I am also what some would describe as a humanist, partly because if there are no gods, then we are on our own. If we don't take care of each other and try to make the world better, nobody will. There are no supernatural beings to swoop in and fix anything for us. That view would also match with a deist god who does nothing for people, so it is not part of being an atheist.

Besides, there are other atheists who see the world as "everyone look out for number one", like some libertarians of the Ayn Rand variety. And there are atheists who have no particular opinion on how to behave. Just like there are religious folks who are all over the "how much to help others" spectrum.

Atheists don't believe in gods. What they do with that lack of belief, if anything, varies.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Jag on March 24, 2015, 06:20:35 PM
Should atheists be humanists if they want to be an atheist?

Atheism is about beliefs, humanism is about ethics. They are not interchangeable because they describe different things.

You said atheism was not a belief.  Do you take that back now?

No, I don't.

What does my post say? It says: Atheism is about beliefs...

Does that post say atheism is a belief? No, that's not what it says. It says that "atheism is about belief" and I stand by that statement. Atheism is a position on the belief in gods, specifically saying that an atheist does not have that particular belief. 

^^that question was for Jag^^  I can link back to the thread.  OCG and I both said okay atheism is not a belief.  Jag said thanks we said you're welcome.

Go ahead and link back to that thread. I don't care enough to bother digging it out, but I recall that conversation being about choice, so if I said that atheism is not a belief, I would have to see it in context to address your ... request.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Azdgari on March 24, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
Drought is about water.

It is specifically about the absence of water, but the topic is still water.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Jag on March 24, 2015, 07:03:30 PM
^^^ I find it unlikely, but not impossible, that I tried to disconnect atheism from belief. I recall the thread jb refers to, but my recollection is of discussing belief not being a choice. If I said what jb claims, I'd have to see it in context to consider if I would "take that back now".

Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 24, 2015, 09:12:33 PM
It doesn't matter that much to me either. 

What matters is if atheist aren't humanist, using logic and reason to solve problems, what do they use?  Not a loaded question, promise.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 24, 2015, 09:16:44 PM
Drought is about water.

It is specifically about the absence of water, but the topic is still water.

Is the topic about how to get some water?
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Azdgari on March 24, 2015, 09:30:53 PM
I don't know.  Either way, "drought" refers to the absence of water, and thus is about the subject of water.  Just like "atheism" refers to the absence of a particular kind of belief, and thus is about beliefs.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Willie on March 24, 2015, 11:22:02 PM
You got yourself here idiot.

Look up "self deprecating humor" and "touchy".



Edit: Undid previous edit. I like it better the way it was.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Nam on March 24, 2015, 11:24:33 PM
Really junebug? Oh, man. I love how you don't get someone being facetious. And you smited me for it! Classic. What an idiot.

-Nam
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 25, 2015, 06:33:12 AM
I don't know.  Either way, "drought" refers to the absence of water, and thus is about the subject of water.  Just like "atheism" refers to the absence of a particular kind of belief, and thus is about beliefs.

Water gives life.  Believers think God gives water.  They would pray to end the drought.  What would an atheist do?  Find a scientific way to fix the problem.  Humanism? 

Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 25, 2015, 06:37:56 AM
Really junebug? Oh, man. I love how you don't get someone being facetious. And you smited me for it! Classic. What an idiot.

-Nam

Whine much?   Just giving you some attention.(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug007.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

I won my first spelling bee in the 4th grade with the word facetious.(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance006.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: One Above All on March 25, 2015, 06:42:19 AM
I don't know.  Either way, "drought" refers to the absence of water, and thus is about the subject of water.  Just like "atheism" refers to the absence of a particular kind of belief, and thus is about beliefs.

Water gives life.  Believers think God gives water.  They would pray to end the drought.  What would an atheist do?  Find a scientific way to fix the problem.  Humanism? 

Will you ever address what's said to you? Maybe admit when you're wrong every now and then?
Go back and re-read the conversation that led up to that point. If you'd like, copy/paste it, read it in full, and see why your post is irrelevant in this context.

I now await your smite and/or whining about how I'm evil or whatever.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 25, 2015, 07:02:37 AM
Will you ever address what's said to you? Maybe admit when you're wrong every now and then?
Go back and re-read the conversation that led up to that point. If you'd like, copy/paste it, read it in full, and see why your post is irrelevant in this context.

I now await your smite and/or whining about how I'm evil or whatever.

What the fuck are you talking about?  I understand what Azdgari  is saying.  I asked HIM a question.  I'm trying to understand how it is that every atheist is not a humanist.

You're not Nam.  He's the only one that needs special attention.

I am occasionally wrong.  Feel better?
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: One Above All on March 25, 2015, 07:07:28 AM
What the fuck are you talking about?

Go back and re-read the conversation that led up to that point.
Just shows you're not reading what's being said to you.

I understand what Azdgari  is saying.

You do not.

I asked HIM a question.

An irrelevant question within that discussion.

I'm trying to understand how it is that every atheist is not a humanist.

It's already been explained to you. Atheism is about belief, humanism is about ethics.

You're not Nam.  He's the only one that needs special attention.

Well, I'm not sure if this qualifies as an insult, so, out of caution, I'll admit my prediction was wrong.

I am occasionally wrong.  Feel better?

Not really.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 25, 2015, 07:09:15 AM
You got yourself here idiot.

Look up "self deprecating humor" and "touchy".



Edit: Undid previous edit. I like it better the way it was.

Don't tell me no lies and keep your hands to yourself.  :P
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 25, 2015, 07:19:06 AM
I have 2 very busy days today and tomorrow.  Court with slumlord on Thursday, DR today.  Need to prepare for court.  I took a No Contact order out on that SOB hypocrite. 

Please while I'm gone someone please explain how atheists are not humanist?  Even the ones that are mean still solve problems w/o gods.  With Human Power.

Slumlord said I was bringing a knife to a gun fight.  I'm bringing a brain to a brain fight.  In court last week the first thing he said to the judge was; "I'm not a very intelligent man".  Beer and religion has fried too many brain cells. &) 
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: One Above All on March 25, 2015, 07:20:26 AM
I have 2 very busy days today and tomorrow.  Court with slumlord on Thursday, DR today.  Need to prepare for court.  I took a No Contact order out on that SOB hypocrite. 

Good luck.

Please while I'm gone someone please explain how atheists are not humanist?  Even the ones that are mean still solve problems w/o gods.  With Human Power.

Atheism is about belief, humanism is about ethics.

I propose we repeat this simple answer until junebug72 gets it through her osmium skull.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 25, 2015, 07:25:05 AM
Atheist have ethics One.  Well some do.  Even the ones that don't rely on human logic and reasoning to solve problems.  Either humans make it happen or it don't happen; except the weather, or do we? 
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: One Above All on March 25, 2015, 07:33:12 AM
Atheist have ethics One.  Well some do.

Indeed. However, not all subscribe to any one ethical PoV. There are atheist psychopaths, atheist sociopaths, atheist nihilists, atheist anarchists, atheist liberals, atheists conservatives, atheists against animal cruelty, atheists who don't give a fuck about animal cruelty, atheists for and against gun control, atheists for and against the death penalty... there are even religious atheists, believe it or not. The only thing you can say about every single atheist is that they're an atheist - that they lack belief in deities.

Tell me, do you expect every theist to subscribe to a single system of ethics? If not, why do you expect every atheist to do so?
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: jetson on March 25, 2015, 07:34:43 AM
Atheist have ethics One.  Well some do.  Even the ones that don't rely on human logic and reasoning to solve problems.  Either humans make it happen or it don't happen; except the weather, or do we?

Quote from: Wikipedia
Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).

All humans do things, I think. But humanism is more than just doing things. It is also, as seen in the definition above, a philosophical and ethical stance...which perhaps some atheists simply do not embrace?
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 25, 2015, 07:35:02 AM
Thanks for wishing me luck.  It will be a big big win for me.  It will help my counter suit exponentially.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 25, 2015, 07:35:54 AM
Atheist have ethics One.  Well some do.  Even the ones that don't rely on human logic and reasoning to solve problems.  Either humans make it happen or it don't happen; except the weather, or do we?

Quote
Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).

All humans do things, I think. But humanism is more than just doing things. It is also, as seen in the definition above, a philosophical and ethical stance...which perhaps some atheists simply do not embrace?

I can't help but wonder why not?
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: jetson on March 25, 2015, 07:37:19 AM
Atheist have ethics One.  Well some do.  Even the ones that don't rely on human logic and reasoning to solve problems.  Either humans make it happen or it don't happen; except the weather, or do we?

Quote
Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).

All humans do things, I think. But humanism is more than just doing things. It is also, as seen in the definition above, a philosophical and ethical stance...which perhaps some atheists simply do not embrace?

I can't help but wonder why not?

I think that is a great question.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: One Above All on March 25, 2015, 07:37:38 AM
I can't help but wonder why not?

Why do people think so differently from one another? We're individuals. It's just the way things are.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Nam on March 25, 2015, 11:10:17 AM
Hey Junebug, let's put in a term you'll understand:

I am an atheist.

In your opinion: am I a humanist?

If you're answer is "yes", you still don't get it.

-Nam
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: nogodsforme on March 25, 2015, 01:24:31 PM
I am not sure if someone already addressed this, but many dictatorships have been officially atheist, or officially Christian, or officially Muslim, etc. when it suits the purposes of the leader. Dictatorships, whether communist or capitalist, do not generally meet the definition of humanist.

Most dictators, I suspect, are opportunistic sociopaths, or even psychopaths. They will use gods or religion when it suits them, but I doubt they really believe in it. Hitler remained in steadfast support of Christianity as he pursued the extermination of Jews, gays and dissidents. Papa Doc Duvalier of Haiti told the people he was a Vodun priest with magical powers so they would fear him and obey him more readily. Mobutu of Congo convinced people he could control evil sprits (ndokis). Saddaam Hussein was a secular dictator but he faked being a devout Muslim when necessary, even making the hajj to Mecca.[1]

Often there is a cult of personality that substitutes for belief in god and becomes the de facto state religion. Hitler and Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot all relied on cult of personality, whether god-belief was encouraged (Hitler) or not (Mao). North Korea would be the prime example nowadays. There is no god belief, only the worship of Dear Leader. Atheist for sure, unless you believe that Dear Leader is divine. And not at all humanist.

So, no.  Atheism does not automatically carry humanism along in its pocket, or vice versa. I wish.
 1. The fact that his evil a$$ did not catch fire as soon as he stepped onto the sacred soil where Muhammed preached should have been a tipoff that a)Islam is bogus or b) Allah likes dictators.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 26, 2015, 03:28:45 PM
Hey Junebug, let's put in a term you'll understand:

I am an atheist.

In your opinion: am I a humanist?

If you're answer is "yes", you still don't get it.

-Nam

Why are you not a humanist Nam?
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 26, 2015, 03:32:13 PM
Atheist goes down like vinegar.  It is a biblical term. ugh  Humanist is original, no bible necessary, no gods necessary. yay!  Well rather it has evolved.   ;)
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: nogodsforme on March 26, 2015, 03:45:53 PM
I like heathen. Sounds like more fun than either atheist or humanist. Like being a drunk sounds like more fun than being an alcoholic, or a problem drinker. ;)
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 26, 2015, 03:52:03 PM
I like heathen. Sounds like more fun than either atheist or humanist. Like being a drunk sounds like more fun than being an alcoholic, or a problem drinker. ;)

Since you put it like that hell yea!
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 26, 2015, 04:19:11 PM
I had a bad fucking day.  This newer perception of mine is getting me through it.  No gods no spirits needed. Well I could use some tequila but it might get wild up in here if I did that.  I would swallow the worm.

(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing017.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: LoriPinkAngel on March 26, 2015, 05:57:02 PM
I had a bad fucking day.  This newer perception of mine is getting me through it.  No gods no spirits needed. Well I could use some tequila but it might get wild up in here if I did that.  I would swallow the worm.

(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing017.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Maybe you should stick to a nice mellow wine.   ;)
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Merlin on March 26, 2015, 07:26:16 PM
I had a bad fucking day.  This newer perception of mine is getting me through it.  No gods no spirits needed. Well I could use some tequila but it might get wild up in here if I did that.  I would swallow the worm.

I'm enjoying Wild Turkey 101 - straight - right now.  Try that - no worm on the planet can survive in this stuff!   ;)
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 26, 2015, 07:56:20 PM
I'm afraid it's just coffee for me. I've had some good times with all of the above.  Y'all put one down for me! :P
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Nam on March 27, 2015, 01:51:50 PM
Junebug,

I can't answer your questions. I have you on ignore. My question was facetious. You seem to not understand that word.

-Nam
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 27, 2015, 05:43:53 PM
Junebug,

I can't answer your questions. I have you on ignore. My question was facetious. You seem to not understand that word.

-Nam

Do you think you're special attention whore? 

You ignoring me is all in your imagination.  See I can be facetious.  I nickname you skeptic jr. for dodging.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Nam on March 27, 2015, 06:00:40 PM
At this rate you'll be the one who's given me half of my smites. Now, does that say something about me, or you?

-Nam
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Jag on March 27, 2015, 07:06:02 PM
Junebug,

I can't answer your questions. I have you on ignore. My question was facetious. You seem to not understand that word.

-Nam

I'm considering a counter-karma to the smite on the above post. As has been pointed out repeatedly, there is a simple solution to all of the dramatics and name calling.

Put Nam on ignore and stop interacting with him.

If he's on your ignore list, all this aggravation just disappears. By continuing to read his posts, you are allowing yourself to be provoked. You don't like him, he doesn't like you, but you continue to read his posts, knowing that you are going to get angry. You are giving control of your emotions over to a random man on the internet that you claim to hate.

You can choose to stop at any time. That power is entirely your own.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: Nam on March 27, 2015, 07:08:17 PM
Junebug,

I can't answer your questions. I have you on ignore. My question was facetious. You seem to not understand that word.

-Nam

This isn't a dodge. I answered your smite because I can read your smites. Sometimes I can read your comments when others quote you or they repetitiously try to explain to you something and I get the overall gist of what you may have said but I cannot read your comments because you are on my ignore. And while there is a button that could display it, I do not push it (that I know of).

Therefore, I am not dodging your questions because I do not see your questions.[1]

-Nam
 1. $5 she smites this one, too!
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 28, 2015, 06:47:52 AM
Junebug,

I can't answer your questions. I have you on ignore. My question was facetious. You seem to not understand that word.

-Nam

I'm considering a counter-karma to the smite on the above post. As has been pointed out repeatedly, there is a simple solution to all of the dramatics and name calling.

Put Nam on ignore and stop interacting with him.

If he's on your ignore list, all this aggravation just disappears. By continuing to read his posts, you are allowing yourself to be provoked. You don't like him, he doesn't like you, but you continue to read his posts, knowing that you are going to get angry. You are giving control of your emotions over to a random man on the internet that you claim to hate.

You can choose to stop at any time. That power is entirely your own.

I'm just having fun.   He's entertainment.  He shouldn't make remarks in MY threads and then say he ignores me.  That is not rational. 

I would thank you for the advice but it seemed aggressive.  There's no way to tell w/o a smiley.  :)

If we want to call each other names and hate each other that's between us. 

He spoke directly at me.  He should answer the question.  He should not be held to a lesser standard than any body else.  Question dodging is a big time no no here at WWGHA.  You should know.
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 28, 2015, 06:55:49 AM
Therefore, I am not dodging your questions because I do not see your questions.[1]

-Nam
 1. $5 she smites this one, too!

I had to smite you so you could see the question. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-alien011.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

That's the only excuse you got left, alien abduction. (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-looney-toons-009.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons.php)
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 28, 2015, 07:24:58 AM
At this rate you'll be the one who's given me half of my smites. Now, does that say something about me, or you?

-Nam

Is it even logical for you to ask me a question at this time?

You have given me plenty as well.  It says something about both of us.  idiot 

I guess we're both fucked up. (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-anime-050.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons.php)

I know I have given you some thumbs up so that counters some of the smites but you have never given me a thumbs up; to my recall. 
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 28, 2015, 07:31:32 AM
I can't help but wonder why not?

Why do people think so differently from one another? We're individuals. It's just the way things are.

One we are individual and societal beings. 
Title: Re: Are atheist humanist?
Post by: junebug72 on March 28, 2015, 08:05:20 AM
Here's the count Nam I gave you -22 + 9=13.

You gave me -17 +0=17.

22 is 1/4 of your smites stupid.