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Title: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 18, 2013, 06:57:05 AM
Well...
Its been a while i guess, so my final thread on this topic is now here.
I will update here if anything interesting happens.
Feel free to discuss anything related, negative, positive, the works.
Will update soon enough.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Nam on October 18, 2013, 05:38:25 PM
I still don't know what "tulpa" is, and I still don't care to know.

-Nam
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 18, 2013, 08:57:09 PM
I still don't know what "tulpa" is, and I still don't care to know.

-Nam

http://www.tulpa.info/
Here you go, discuss ;D.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 19, 2013, 02:42:27 AM
Update#1.

This morning, i hugged her for the first time (friend convinced me to do so ;\ ).
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 19, 2013, 11:26:08 AM
Update#2.

Went around reading on the tulpa forums, lurking.
God dammit there are too many cloppers and furries who make tulpae...
GAH!
Edit: just realized i feel odd when i see images of Chrysalis (that pony thing that is licking the screen to the right), possible signs of Alexis doing something? Perhaps watching?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Traveler on October 19, 2013, 06:14:50 PM
There is plenty of evidence, and usage of, "inner beings" in the psychological and spiritual spaces. Inner child work, deep spontaneous imagery, spirit animals, angels, etc. This simply seems another way of looking at that kind of phenomenon. I have done a lot of similar stuff, though I tend to interpret it within a psychological model, and I have more than one of them.

Whether these tulpa are subconcious imagery "come to life," spirits, angels, or simply imagination, I find it can be a very creative way of dealing with issues. As long as your relationship with your tulpa remains open, honest, and grounded in good sense, I think its pretty interesting, and has potential to be a path for personal growth.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 19, 2013, 08:58:18 PM
I agree.

But im afraid as i know that some people get too attached tp their tulpae.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 20, 2013, 07:03:11 PM
Updat3 (See what i did there?)

Anyway, adding more to her form, i discovered she is ticklish on her legs and hooves.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on October 21, 2013, 07:16:20 AM
Update#1.

This morning, i hugged her for the first time (friend convinced me to do so ;\ ).

How, it has no physical form?

If you're going to be strictly accurate you should say "This morning, i imagined that i hugged her for the first time.

Update#2.

Went around reading on the tulpa forums, lurking.
God dammit there are too many cloppers and furries who make tulpae...
GAH!
Edit: just realized i feel odd when i see images of Chrysalis (that pony thing that is licking the screen to the right), possible signs of Alexis doing something? Perhaps watching?

I had to google "cloppers".
I wish I hadn't.

This fad does seem to lend weight to some of the concerns expressed in your MLP:FiM thread though.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 21, 2013, 07:27:41 AM
How, it has no physical form?

If you're going to be strictly accurate you should say "This morning, i imagined that i hugged her for the first time.

Well okay, if we are getting precise, i hugged her mentally...

I had to google "cloppers".
I wish I hadn't.

Dammit man, what is wrong with you!
I'm still haunted by that term.

This fad does seem to lend weight to some of the concerns expressed in your MLP:FiM thread though.

I find that generalizing a fandom is not very effective, not all bronies are cloppers, not all furries yiff and not all tulpamancers have sex with tulpae ;D.

Edit: Any one here know any good concentration techniques?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on October 21, 2013, 07:39:12 AM
How, it has no physical form?

If you're going to be strictly accurate you should say "This morning, i imagined that i hugged her for the first time.

Well okay, if we are getting precise, i hugged her mentally...

no. you imagined that you hugged her.

This fad does seem to lend weight to some of the concerns expressed in your MLP:FiM thread though.

I find that generalizing a fandom is not very effective, not all bronies are cloppers, not all furries yiff and not all tulpamancers have sex with tulpae ;D.

it's not really a generalisation, it is clear evidence that some folks like to take things beyond their original purpose.

I don't know what "yiff" is. I'm guessing I wouldn't want to.

Updat3 (See what i did there?)

Anyway, adding more to her form, i discovered she is ticklish on her legs and hooves.

Again, rather than "discovered" you imagined the hooves were sensitive. Back in the real world equine hooves are anything but ticklish -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOncgUZFbcc
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 21, 2013, 07:45:07 AM
no. you imagined that you hugged her.

Fine then...
I "imagined" i hugged her.

it's not really a generalisation, it is clear evidence that some folks like to take things beyond their original purpose.

Of course, but saying a fandom is bad due to it is not very smart.

I don't know what "yiff" is. I'm guessing I wouldn't want to.

Thank god.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/yiff
Anyway, here is an idea of what it means...

Again, rather than "discovered" you imagined the hooves were sensitive. Back in the real world equine hooves are anything but ticklish -

I must disagree here, i did not imagine her hooves were sensitive, i never had any opinion on them.
Simply put when i was attempting to further her form, she reacted, much to my surprise.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on October 21, 2013, 08:05:22 AM
it's not really a generalisation, it is clear evidence that some folks like to take things beyond their original purpose.

Of course, but saying a fandom is bad due to it is not very smart.

Is that what I said? Or did I say that this fad (i.e. cloppers) does seem to lend weight to some of the concerns expressed in your MLP:FiM thread though?

I don't know what "yiff" is. I'm guessing I wouldn't want to.

Thank god.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/yiff
Anyway, here is an idea of what it means...

No. I'm not even going to look, I'll stick to my dwarf porn thanks.

Again, rather than "discovered" you imagined the hooves were sensitive. Back in the real world equine hooves are anything but ticklish -

I must disagree here, i did not imagine her hooves were sensitive, i never had any opinion on them.
Simply put when i was attempting to further her form, she reacted, much to my surprise.

Is ticklish hooves a theme that is mentioned in MLP?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 21, 2013, 08:09:08 AM
Is that what I said? Or did I say that this fad (i.e. cloppers) does seem to lend weight to some of the concerns expressed in your MLP:FiM thread though?

*looks at posts*
Your right...
Darn i am bad for skimming posts...

No. I'm not even going to look, I'll stick to my dwarf porn thanks.

9_6
To quote Robert Oreg.
Quote
Midget porn is kinky.

Is ticklish hooves a theme that is mentioned in MLP?

I recall one episode where rainbow dash is reluctant to get her hooves touched, but no episodes have ticklish ones.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on October 21, 2013, 08:15:45 AM
I recall one episode where rainbow dash is reluctant to get her hooves touched, but no episodes have ticklish ones.

I'm just wondering where the ticklish comes from. Clearly not from real equines. Given the above it seems unlikley that it's from the cartoon.

Are you creating a female bronie tulpa?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 21, 2013, 08:26:48 AM
I'm just wondering where the ticklish comes from. Clearly not from real equines. Given the above it seems unlikley that it's from the cartoon.

As i have said, i myself am surprised by her reaction.
It was completely unprecedented.

Are you creating a female bronie tulpa?

Umm...shes not a brony, as she is female.
If you need to know, she looks like my avatar...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on October 21, 2013, 08:31:17 AM
I'm just wondering where the ticklish comes from. Clearly not from real equines. Given the above it seems unlikley that it's from the cartoon.

As i have said, i myself am surprised by her reaction.
It was completely unprecedented.


Are you creating a female bronie tulpa?

Umm...shes not a brony, as she is female.
If you need to know, she looks like my avatar...

Ah yeah. the acronyms confuse me. is it a human tulpa cosplaying MLP:FiM?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 21, 2013, 08:36:15 AM
Ah yeah. the acronyms confuse me. is it a human tulpa cosplaying MLP:FiM?

She is not human.
She apparently has chosen to be a changeling...
http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Creatures#Changeling

To be precise she looks like their queen...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on October 21, 2013, 08:52:24 AM
Ah yeah. the acronyms confuse me. is it a human tulpa cosplaying MLP:FiM?

She is not human.
She apparently has chosen to be a changeling...
http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Creatures#Changeling

To be precise she looks like their queen...

You imagine that she looks like the changeling queen and is not human  ;)
I use imagine as this all takes place in your mind rather than external, physical reality.

I was just trying to get a handle on why you have created this particular friend with these particular traits.

Anyway don't let me derail you, on with the next installment.

Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 21, 2013, 08:59:58 AM
You imagine that she looks like the changeling queen and is not human  ;)
I use imagine as this all takes place in your mind rather than external, physical reality.

Actually, i have experimented with visualizing her in reality, rather hard to do however. ( i have found she enjoys being in reality in the cinemas )

I was just trying to get a handle on why you have created this particular friend with these particular traits.

I never made her a changeling, or gave her most of her traits.
She chose her form early on, and recently gained quite a few traits without my input.

Anyway don't let me derail you, on with the next installment.

I would not say this is derailing, i made this thread as a "final tulpa thread to end all others", so discuss whatever you please with it.
Depending on what happens, i may update this thread tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on October 21, 2013, 09:15:29 AM
Actually, i have experimented with visualizing her in reality, rather hard to do however. ( i have found she enjoys being in reality in the cinemas )

Visualising in that you are making a mental image of her in real settings. The other meaning of visualise i.e. to make visible wouldn't apply as no one else would see your pony.

I was just trying to get a handle on why you have created this particular friend with these particular traits.

I never made her a changeling, or gave her most of her traits.
She chose her form early on, and recently gained quite a few traits without my input.

I think you did though, however subconsciously. I don't think this is an independant entity. As I've said in other threads the modern tulpa thing is an appropriation of a concept that has no meaning outside of it's original setting.

Anyway don't let me derail you, on with the next installment.

I would not say this is derailing, i made this thread as a "final tulpa thread to end all others", so discuss whatever you please with it.
Depending on what happens, i may update this thread tomorrow morning.

Ok.  8)
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 21, 2013, 09:24:29 AM
Visualising in that you are making a mental image of her in real settings. The other meaning of visualise i.e. to make visible wouldn't apply as no one else would see your pony*.

Of course not making her visible to others, such a thing is not possible.
Also "Changeling*" ;D

I think you did though, however subconsciously. I don't think this is an independant entity. As I've said in other threads the modern tulpa thing is an appropriation of a concept that has no meaning outside of it's original setting.

*shrugs*
I honestly want someone to get a brainscan or something, just to see what precisely it is.

Ok.  8)

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/165/232/48340%20-%20season_2%20twilight_sparkle%20yes.png)
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 21, 2013, 07:09:11 PM
upd4te.

Strangely i felt her presence last night, odd as obviously nothing is there, yet there is the feeling of it.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 23, 2013, 10:49:56 AM
Update#5: Wordgame edition.

I will attempt to make a coherent sentence with Alexis doing each second word.

"I am a pretzel."

Well...that did not go well...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 26, 2013, 04:12:41 AM
Update#6.

Another wordgame.

This time it led to:
"One day Alexis was making a tuna fish sandwich."

Alexis did every second word.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on October 31, 2013, 05:17:07 AM
#7.

Grrr...

Recently i have had a pickle with concentration, and so have been having issues working on her.

She states she is still fine though.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 02, 2013, 06:49:12 AM
#8
Ohh, i did a test recently, by telling Alexis to stay on my bed.

When i came back a bit later, she was there waving hello...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: kindred on November 02, 2013, 07:43:18 AM
Is this how much of our brain is useless to us? We can relegate enough of our brain power to create a pseudo entity that exists only in our mind and it doesn't have any effect on our capabilities?

You know, it would've been better if we could actually use that brain power.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 02, 2013, 10:13:56 AM
To be honest, i do not know for sure.

It could be, but there are so many different theories for just what a tulpa is...

MrJason suggested it could be a well tuned sub conscience.

Others say it is a bunch of neurons that rewire themselves.

Some say it is a full on illusion.

Etc.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: RubyLeo on November 02, 2013, 04:57:34 PM
Hello, I just stumbled upon this.  I had never heard of a Tulpa until this thread. I was intrigued so I did a bit of reading.

I thought you (the OP) - and others - might find the following op-ed in the New York Times interesting:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/15/opinion/luhrmann-conjuring-up-our-own-gods.html?_r=0

In the article, the author describes a young man, Jack, who worked hard to create his own Tulpa, a fox in his case.  She also points out some similarities between creating a Tulpa, and a desire to have a personal relationship with God (or at least the modern church emphasizing that):

"The mere fact that people like Jack find it intuitively possible to have invisible companions who talk back to them supports the claim that the idea of an invisible agent is basic to our psyche. But Jack’s story also makes it clear that experiencing an invisible companion as truly present — especially as an adult — takes work: constant concentration, a state that resembles prayer.

It may seem paradoxical, but this very difficulty may be why evangelical churches emphasize a personal, intimate God."

Anyway, just some food for thought.  :)
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Graybeard on November 02, 2013, 05:51:13 PM
Good find. I liked this part:

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Jack, a young man I interviewed, decided to make a tulpa when he was in college. He set aside an hour and a half each day for this. [...] Then he visualized a fox (he liked foxes). After four weeks, he started to feel the fox’s presence, and to have feelings he thought were the fox’s.

Finally, after a chemistry exam, he felt that she spoke to him. “I heard, clear as day, ‘Well, how did you do?’ ” he recalled. For a while he was intensely involved with her, and said it felt more wonderful than falling in love with a girl.

I have this suspicion that learning is the creation of neural pathways and eventually they build and you have convinced yourself of something - it appears real. It is the thing that gives you the ability to reach and hold conclusions, but here, as in religion, it is a construct.

Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 02, 2013, 11:58:01 PM
I thought you (the OP) - and others - might find the following op-ed in the New York Times interesting:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/15/opinion/luhrmann-conjuring-up-our-own-gods.html?_r=0

I read this before.

It actually caused many tulpamancers on the forum to get irritated, apparently animal tulpae are disliked.

Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 02, 2013, 11:59:28 PM
I have this suspicion that learning is the creation of neural pathways and eventually they build and you have convinced yourself of something - it appears real. It is the thing that gives you the ability to reach and hold conclusions, but here, as in religion, it is a construct.

So would you say that it is possible to create neural pathways?

I don't know if that is possible, but if you know i would like to know ;D.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: RubyLeo on November 03, 2013, 09:30:50 AM
I thought you (the OP) - and others - might find the following op-ed in the New York Times interesting:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/15/opinion/luhrmann-conjuring-up-our-own-gods.html?_r=0

I read this before.

It actually caused many tulpamancers on the forum to get irritated, apparently animal tulpae are disliked.

I'm curious, do you know why that is?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 03, 2013, 06:55:29 PM
I am assuming that there are too many betialistic tulpamancers who make the others look bad...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 04, 2013, 07:05:05 PM
#9!

This just in.
She has finally spoken!
The word "me"....
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Graybeard on November 04, 2013, 07:30:23 PM
I have this suspicion that learning is the creation of neural pathways and eventually they build and you have convinced yourself of something - it appears real. It is the thing that gives you the ability to reach and hold conclusions, but here, as in religion, it is a construct.

So would you say that it is possible to create neural pathways?

Not only is it possible, it is normal. even as you read this and then go on to read this link: http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_07/d_07_cl/d_07_cl_tra/d_07_cl_tra.html neural pathways will be forming. It's not magic... it's about as wonderful as your fingernails growing.

Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 05, 2013, 01:56:54 AM
So it is plausible to make an automated sentient companion as a result of neural pathways?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 07, 2013, 06:49:19 PM
#10.

No more words so far, mostly have been designing a space ship for a game, she is helpful.

Any one have any possible ideas to experiment with?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Zankuu on November 07, 2013, 08:02:18 PM
So it is plausible to make an automated sentient companion as a result of neural pathways?

One cannot think sentience into existence just as one cannot think another consciousness into existence. Imagined things cannot experience qualia. A person may perceive an imagined thing to have a consciousness but that does not make it so. People with DID (formerly known as Multiple Personality Disorder) can perceive they have another consciousness residing within them, but these states of consciousness are not new, independent identities- they are simply a manifestation of the original mind.

So to answer your question: no.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 08, 2013, 01:51:37 AM
I see.

Update #11.

Another word game, apparently word games help make a tulpa speak...

Alexis will use an imagined card to state every odd word.

"I will conjure up pudding and nails"

Well...its kind of a comprehensible sentence?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 08, 2013, 11:58:10 PM
Just had a thought, depending on how "physical" i make Alexis, i am pondering how conflicting she could be in real life.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 10, 2013, 07:23:18 AM
As a question, would it be possible to make what "appears" to be sentient and such at the least?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Graybeard on November 10, 2013, 01:54:37 PM
A&A,

You have to be clear on what you are doing and what you are not doing. You are creating a delusion, you are not creating anything concrete. If I think of a hippopotamus, it doesn't matter how long I think of one, I will never create a real hippopotamus - it will always be part of my imagination, part of my mind, somewhere in my brain.

A god, a pixie, a tulpa, a dead relative, and invisible friends who talk to you are not real but they are all the same mental phenomenon.

When people suffer serious mental illness, it appears that the neural pathways become misconnected. Imagine you flick the light switch on but the radio comes on instead. So you turn the radio off and the TV starts. Obviously, you think the wiring is at fault. However, let’s say that you open the door and it is night but through the window it is broad daylight. A voice that seems to be in your head tells you to lick the floor – it keeps saying this; it doesn’t stop. You stare at the picture on the wall. The people in the picture are staring back. They are trying to tell you how to stop the voices, but you can’t hear them properly. Suddenly the world is very confusing but, to you, this is your reality. You become worried. You tell someone, they think you're mad. The lights, radio, TV all work and it is daylight. But humans perceive only what the brain tells them that they are perceiving: if it goes wrong then your reality is not anyone else’s reality.

Reality arrives via a healthy brain and is more or less the same for everyone. You can alter it with drugs, like LSD. The neural pathways become disrupted, imagination and reality combine, but the brain, now confused, does not see the same reality as anyone else but to the person who took the drug, it is reality: things that happen can be funny, amazing, or horrible – but they are real.

Now… do you know what “sentient” means? Here’s what the Oxford English Dictionary says:
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Adjective: That feels or is capable of feeling; having the power or function of sensation or of perception by the senses.

Now, in broad terms, to be sentient, as a minimum you have to have a physical body that will respond to stimuli. More usually, you have to have some sort of nervous system and that requires a brain as well as a body. A god, a pixie, a tulpa, a dead relative, and invisible friends who talk to you cannot have a body or a brain, at least not an independent one. So your mind trains itself to have two personalities: there is you, and then there is a god, a pixie, a tulpa, a dead relative, and invisible friends. You treat this personality as if it were another person (although you know it cannot be). The neural pathways form more strongly and the connection is made so that the voices in the head appear.

When the neural pathways become well-established, you may find that the voice in your head will start talking as if it were just another human. It will not be able to know any more than you know; it will not be able to do maths or art better than you, in fact, it will be limited by your own mind - this is how we know that gods are imaginary - they never come up with things we could not have thought of - no god ever invented a cure for anything and no god ever made a scientific discovery... this is because they are limited by the brain of the person who invents them.

There are cases that you will have heard of where gods speak to people, where dead relatives also speak. These people have simply deluded themselves and trained (unconsciously) their neural pathways – for them, it is reality, they think they hear voices and sometimes see these people. But it is a delusion.

What do you think? Is it a good idea to create a delusion?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 10, 2013, 06:53:08 PM
What do you think? Is it a good idea to create a delusion?

Maybe
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on November 11, 2013, 06:39:20 AM
What do you think? Is it a good idea to create a delusion?

Maybe

why? what purpose does it serve?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 12, 2013, 01:55:25 AM
why? what purpose does it serve?

Eh.
Makes use of spare time, reduces boredom, radda radda.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on November 12, 2013, 05:36:26 AM
why? what purpose does it serve?

Eh.
Makes use of spare time, reduces boredom, radda radda.

Why not just go to church? There you can get an off the shelf delusion and tailor it to your own specifications  :)
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 12, 2013, 08:17:05 AM
Yeah, but one is the entire "This is your lord, so do this shit to not piss him off, then you get afterlife.", but of course, god does not exist.

Then with tulpae its more like "So you want to waste time and make a sentient companion? Then do this shit and stuff", but of course it is also a delusion.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on November 12, 2013, 08:33:39 AM
Yeah, but one is the entire "This is your lord, so do this shit to not piss him off, then you get afterlife.", but of course, god does not exist.

Then with tulpae its more like "So you want to waste time and make a sentient companion? Then do this shit and stuff", but of course it is also a delusion.

I don't really see the difference.
As you can see from some of the posters on this forum you can make up the "this is my lord" shit as you go along.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 12, 2013, 06:55:54 PM
What I getting at is that one goes "the lord always existed and is the lord"

And the other is "the tulpa will eventually exist, and is...a tulpa"
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 13, 2013, 06:53:06 AM
Update number 12.

Having more concentration issues, and tiredness...
But have been working on more physical and design aspects.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 15, 2013, 10:08:48 AM
Friday the 13th, err...i mean update the 13th...

Asked Alexis what she thinks of the sun (its really hot here...), she responded with a skimpy outfit and an awkward pose...  :-[
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: nogodsforme on November 15, 2013, 05:32:06 PM
Okay, I bit (pun intended) and looked up the tulpa info.

My daughter used to have two of these. At first they spoke to her in a language that sounded like Spanish. When she was 3 and had a Korean babysitter, the language they spoke to her sounded a lot like Korean. When we drove through the neighborhood, she would point out the house where they lived.

Then, when she was old enough to not need her imaginary friends anymore, they died went to heaven and became angels.... &)
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 15, 2013, 10:25:27 PM
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How did you know what language they spoke? o.O
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: nogodsforme on November 15, 2013, 10:39:26 PM
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How did you know what language they spoke? o.O

She talked to them in the same language.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 15, 2013, 11:31:32 PM
That is interesting.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 17, 2013, 07:55:53 AM
As a question though, were they imaginary friends, or tulpae?

Update #14.

Working on her form for a while, its going rather well.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: nogodsforme on November 17, 2013, 02:48:58 PM
I am arguing that they are the same thing. My daughter created someone to talk to. So have you.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 17, 2013, 06:54:44 PM
Tulpae are said to be sentient, imaginary friends are not.

That is kind of the line between them...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Graybeard on November 18, 2013, 11:32:26 AM
Tulpae are said to be sentient, imaginary friends are not.

That is kind of the line between them...

are said to be... who says that and what proof do you have? I have already said that if I think about a hippopotamus, there will never be a hippo created. I have already said that you can create nothing that is sentient (other than a baby and then you'll need someone else).

You are using the same deception as Christians: You pull some some vague unsupported claim out of your arse and then your next statement is based on this.

Just tell me how you create something that is sentient using only your brain. How does the biology, chemistry and physics work?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 19, 2013, 02:08:34 AM
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A tulpa is a consciousness that is very much like your own, in that has its own opinions, preferences, personality and so on. It can communicate with you, can have its own form, and can understand you like no one else could. It can give you second opinions on things and come up with original ideas of its own. A tulpa lives inside your brain, very much like you do.

This is essentially the phenomenon...

How exactly does it work?

I have no idea, but it ranges from a sheer delusion, an illusion, an actual physical usage of the brain, a modified sub conscience, etc.

According to the concept, constant talking/attention and "forcing" makes a sentient tulpa.

My claim of tulpae being sentient is supported by, ohh dear...tulpamancers...Which i guess makes it hard to believe.
I cannot for sure say that tulpae are sentient, but i can say at the least, that they appear to be sentient.

Edit: http://community.tulpa.info/thread-a-pledge
Gah, the thought that the person who made that thread makes me feel...odd? The thought of a tulpa apparently writing that, or otherwise telling him to write it seems interesting, but scary.


Edit2: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH GOD DAMNIT!
Now the idea of "perma-switching" is in my head.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Graybeard on November 19, 2013, 06:45:31 AM
My great objection to this thread is that WWGHA is dedicated to having the religious accept that what they have is a delusion - that gods exist only in the mind: A delusion that can range from the harmless to the fatal. Yet here you are, promoting a delusion and saying how you are making yourself deluded.

You are actively engaged in denying reality - creating a delusion. You are also taking the same route as godbotherers in seizing on anything that might support your argument and ignoring anything that goes against it.

Your arguments are often based upon twisting a few words to mean what you want them to mean, yet not fully understanding them. I do not think that you have listened to anything that has been said, and you certainly have not read and understood the linked New Yorker article that explains the delusion of the tulpa.

Your comments show me that you are convinced in your own mind that you can create something that is sentient, but equally show that you have no idea what "sentient" means nor do you even have the concept of "sentient" available to you.

I have no idea why you are doing this. Perhaps it is a way of gaining attention. Perhaps you feel lonely, perhaps you think you have magical powers, perhaps you are part of a group that "believes" in tulpas and this gives you some identity.

So, to help us, why are you doing this?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 19, 2013, 07:25:51 AM
I do know what the word sentient means, if you need to know.
Its not a particularly hard to know word.

Secondly, i have said many times that it is very well possible that a tulpa is a delusion.
However as i have also said, other people have other theories.

Why am i making a tulpa?

Never really thought that much about why...

I don't know...

It sounds interesting i guess.

I am also often bored.

I also wondered what my OC (original concept, a fictional character i made for a never to be completed fan fiction) would be like...Although, she decided to be Chrysalis.

As a question, what do you think my "argument" is?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: jdawg70 on November 19, 2013, 09:11:35 AM
I do know what the word sentient means, if you need to know.
Its not a particularly hard to know word.
Just a hint here, but if someone questions your understanding of a word, and you reply that you do indeed understand what the word means, it looks really bad if you simply make that assertion and do not back it up with an explanation of that word's meaning (preferably in your own words to showcase understanding).  This goes double if you follow up with a phrase such as "Its not particularly hard to know word."
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Secondly, i have said many times that it is very well possible that a tulpa is a delusion.
However as i have also said, other people have other theories.

Why am i making a tulpa?

Never really thought that much about why...

I don't know...

It sounds interesting i guess.

I am also often bored.

I also wondered what my OC (original concept, a fictional character i made for a never to be completed fan fiction) would be like...Although, she decided to be Chrysalis.

As a question, what do you think my "argument" is?
At this point it really sounds like your argument is that a tulpa is not an imaginary friend, and then you go through great lengths to ensure that it looks as much like an imaginary friend as possible.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Graybeard on November 19, 2013, 03:27:33 PM
I do know what the word sentient means, if you need to know.
Its not a particularly hard to know word.
Well, I have to say that you do not seem to. For a thing to be sentient, it has to have an independent ability to feels or be capable of feeling;it has to have the power or function of sensation or of perception by the senses; it must be conscious or percipient of something.

To do this, the thing must have a nervous system and an organ capable of interpreting the signals of stimuli. Nothing that the mind alone creates can have this. It is not possible.

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Secondly, i have said many times that it is very well possible that a tulpa is a delusion.

Which is a meaningless statement, isn't it? It is very well possible that I am 15 foot tall... as it happens, it is very well possible that I am not. What you are saying here in weasel words is that you honestly are convinced that tuplas are real and have their own independent life complete with a body and organs.

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However as i have also said, other people have other theories.

Another meaningless statement, and you knew when you wrote it. You are doing your level-best not to say "Tulpas are imaginary and people invent them in their heads - they cannot be sentient.", aren't you?

I am waiting for you to use some "Christian logic" such as "There are many things we do not know!" "You cannot know unless you accept tulpas." etc.

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Why am i making a tulpa?

Never really thought that much about why... I don't know...

I'm going to call you out on this one: you do know.

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It sounds interesting i guess.

But you now know that it is impossible and that you "create" nothing other than a delusion, the very thing that we here oppose. There is no logic, there is no science, there is no proof, there is no evidence and there never will be, and there is no advantage.

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I also wondered what my OC (original concept, a fictional character i made for a never to be completed fan fiction) would be like...Although, she decided to be Chrysalis.

I have not the faintest idea who or what 'Chrysalis' is. Tell us why you wanted him/her/it to be "real". What purpose did you think this would serve that could not be found in the real world and in reality?

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As a question, what do you think my "argument" is?

On base level, you haven't got one. As I write, I feel that I'm telling a 5 year old that there is no Santa Claus and that the tooth fairy has been replaced by dental insurance.

You seem to have once read something about tulpas[1] and, not realising that it is all garbage, and without any critical thought, you decided you'd have a go at making one. You thought that this would make you interesting.

You then found a site, WWGHA, and made a decision to insist on talking about tulpas in the hopes that someone would be a tulpa devotee or be impressed by your knowledge. A moment's thought would have told you that this was as like posting, "Why's the world flat then?" on a serious astronomy site.

The consensus of opinion, no, all opinion, went against you. No one thought you were introducing anything interesting. Not a single person thought there could be "tulpas". and yet you continued and did not notice this. This is the beginnings of obsession and delusion.

Your argument, on a higher level, is non-existent.

You have now hijacked space on this site to publicise your delusion. You would do better to be a missionary peddling these delusions at another site: one that the gullible, shallow thinkers inhabit.

I am also amazed that you can criticise Christians/Muslims/etc. from your position. What would you say if one of them asked, "What about you creating sentient tuplas then?"

 
 1. which is the same as reading a paper on Tellitubby anatomy
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 20, 2013, 02:09:28 AM
At this point it really sounds like your argument is that a tulpa is not an imaginary friend, and then you go through great lengths to ensure that it looks as much like an imaginary friend as possible.

I have also said that a tulpa is pretty much imaginary friend 2.0.

Well, I have to say that you do not seem to. For a thing to be sentient, it has to have an independent ability to feels or be capable of feeling;it has to have the power or function of sensation or of perception by the senses; it must be conscious or percipient of something.

I guess i should have posted the definition before, but yes, i do know what sentient means.

To do this, the thing must have a nervous system and an organ capable of interpreting the signals of stimuli. Nothing that the mind alone creates can have this. It is not possible.

Tulpae are said to use your brain, eyes and ears.
I am going to honest and say that i am skeptic on just how tulpae are supposed to do so.

Which is a meaningless statement, isn't it? It is very well possible that I am 15 foot tall...

As far as i am concerned, the square to cube law, and gravity, would make it impossible.
You don't happen to be on the moon, do you?

What you are saying here in weasel words is that you honestly are convinced that tuplas are real and have their own independent life complete with a body and organs.

What nonsense, i do not think of such things.
I believe tulpae are real, yes. But how exactly? I do not know, i admit that a delusion is likely the case.
But i also admit that others have other ideas.

Another meaningless statement, and you knew when you wrote it. You are doing your level-best not to say "Tulpas are imaginary and people invent them in their heads - they cannot be sentient.", aren't you?

Technically, a tulpa is imaginary in the physical sense, so there is that.
Again though, it is claimed that tulpae use the host's brain for sentience and such.

I am waiting for you to use some "Christian logic" such as "There are many things we do not know!" "You cannot know unless you accept tulpas." etc.

Nyet, do not expect such garbage from me.  :angel:

I'm going to call you out on this one: you do know.

Please, amuse me. How do you know what i do not know?
Last time i checked, physics were not real.

But you now know that it is impossible and that you "create" nothing other than a delusion, the very thing that we here oppose. There is no logic, there is no science, there is no proof, there is no evidence and there never will be, and there is no advantage.

Never stated there was an advantage, and i never stated that a tulpa is not a delusion.
Heck, i never even said that you must believe what i must believe.

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I have not the faintest idea who or what 'Chrysalis' is. Tell us why you wanted him/her/it to be "real". What purpose did you think this would serve that could not be found in the real world and in reality?

Originally, she was to be a gender swapped version of my OC, but then she became chrysalis, that black and green thing licking your screen for my avatar.
I guess i was intrigued as to what she would of been like?

On base level, you haven't got one.

Bingo!
Exactly, i never made an argument.
Now i guess i have one, and that is good, as this thread was going stale.

You seem to have once read something about tulpas and, not realising that it is all garbage, and without any critical thought, you decided you'd have a go at making one. You thought that this would make you interesting.

Actually, i started making Alexis, knowing that the idea is unbelievable.
It was when odd things started happening when i started to wonder if tulpae are real.

You then found a site, WWGHA, and made a decision to insist on talking about tulpas in the hopes that someone would be a tulpa devotee or be impressed by your knowledge. A moment's thought would have told you that this was as like posting, "Why's the world flat then?" on a serious astronomy site.

Yes, that is totally why i made such a crazy topic on this website full of people who dislike crazy topics.
I may not be a genius, but i am not stupid. (Granted, i am rather smart for a WA Aussie...)
If you need to know, i made this topic for a personal progress report, for a discussion, and for information.

The consensus of opinion, no, all opinion, went against you. No one thought you were introducing anything interesting. Not a single person thought there could be "tulpas". and yet you continued and did not notice this. This is the beginnings of obsession and delusion.

Actually, if you are capable of reading non-biased information.
Several people here have said that tulpae are possible, but not in the "real sentient thing in your head using your brain" sense, which is not the sense i acclaim myself in.
Mr Jason for example, has said that it is very well possible that tulpae could be a result of a well tuned sub-conscience.

You have now hijacked space on this site to publicise your delusion. You would do better to be a missionary peddling these delusions at another site: one that the gullible, shallow thinkers inhabit.

Missionary? Nyet, i would not tell another person to make a tulpa. (look at my response to Junebug talking about making one)
As for hijacked space, i do honestly want a discussion here, of any kind, i do not want to simply hog up space for a progress report.

I am also amazed that you can criticise Christians/Muslims/etc. from your position. What would you say if one of them asked, "What about you creating sentient tuplas then?"

Big difference for starters.

Theists believe well and truly that "god" is real, can interact with anything, and generally made the universe.

I on the other-hand believe that it is likely that tulpae are a delusion, and generally don't do much.

One thing i like to do is ask a theist "Would you say that i have a sentient companion in my head named Alexis?", of course the response is "Of course not, such things are not possible!" then i say how that is how i feel about god...

Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on November 20, 2013, 05:33:37 AM
Mr Jason for example, has said that it is very well possible that tulpae could be a result of a well tuned sub-conscience.

You misquote me. I said that the appearance of autonomy could be a result of you having a finely tuned subconscious.
what I mean by this is that you answer your own questions/formulate responses to input, in your own mind, without realising that you are doing so.


I'm sticking with my tulpae summary;

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An imaginary friend that takes cues from your subconscious that you then personify.

Complex, but no more real than harry potter.

What confuses me about your interest in something that is clearly bollocks is that you seem to be rational when it comes to religion.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I don't see a fundamental difference between tulpea delusions and religious delusions.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 20, 2013, 05:57:12 AM
You misquote me. I said that the appearance of autonomy could be a result of you having a finely tuned subconscious.
what I mean by this is that you answer your own questions/formulate responses to input, in your own mind, without realising that you are doing so.

And this appearance of autonomy is for what exactly?  ;)

What confuses me about your interest in something that is clearly bollocks is that you seem to be rational when it comes to religion.

Didn't you just say tulpae are imaginary friends that take cues from the sub-conscience, then get personified?
If so, how are tulpae bollocks?

That being said, any one here have any explanations of what a tulpa is, or how it works?

Edit: i might add that, that is one of the reasons why i made this thread.
Obviously getting info on what a tulpa is from their site is not very reliable, so thus the population here should be able to impartially crack it.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mrjason on November 20, 2013, 06:10:59 AM

And this appearance of autonomy is for what exactly?  ;)

Really?

IMO It is for you to say, well my tulpa is autonomous and therefore a separate entity, in an attempt to add a bit of woo to your claim.

What do you think it's for?



Didn't you just say tulpae are imaginary friends that take cues from the sub-conscience, then get personified?
If so, how are tulpae bollocks?

All imaginary friends take cues from subconscious. What is SPAG if not this?
Is SPAG a load of rubbish?

That being said, any one here have any explanations of what a tulpa is, or how it works?

see above.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 20, 2013, 06:39:56 AM
IMO It is for you to say, well my tulpa is autonomous and therefore a separate entity, in an attempt to add a bit of woo to your claim.

I am here to gain information, so i cannot claim that tulpae are separate entities (Yes, i know, i revoked my early opinions on tulpae *shrugs*).

But i must stress that Alexis has had moments where without any thought, she acted due to stimuli.

All imaginary friends take cues from subconscious.

I must disagree here.
An imaginary friend does what you want it to, when you want it to, how you want it to, using no portion of the sub-conscience.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Graybeard on November 20, 2013, 07:57:29 AM

I have also said that a tulpa is pretty much imaginary friend 2.0.

What do you mean by “pretty much”? Is it or isn’t it? You seem to be incapable of stating whether a tulpa is in your imagination only or a real creature

OK, hold that thought and let’s look at what you write:

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Tulpae are said to use your brain, eyes and ears.

That is ridiculous. You think of something and that something takes over a part of your brain for its own independent purposes? And that's supposed to explain something?

I wrote: “… it has to have an independent ability to feels or be capable of feeling; […]the thing must have a nervous system and an organ capable of interpreting the signals of stimuli. Nothing that the mind alone creates can have this. It is not possible…”

See that? It has to be independent, otherwise it is you who are sentient... which you are.

“Tulpae are said to” - Who says that? What evidence have they? How do they not know it is merely a delusion? Can anyone see someone else’s tulpa? Have you a photo of one?

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I am going to honest and say that i am skeptic on just how tulpae are supposed to do so.

I do not detect any honesty – I detect someone who’s doing his best not to say, “I have no answer to your point as it would require my pulling some explanation out of my arse and you would see through that ploy.”

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Which is a meaningless statement, isn't it? It is very well possible that I am 15 foot tall...

As far as i am concerned, the square to cube law, and gravity, would make it impossible.
You don't happen to be on the moon, do you?

That’s neither funny, accurate nor smart. You are dodging by picking up on the wrong part of the point: the point was that you are unable to give a straight answer to a straight question.

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I believe tulpae are real, yes. But how exactly? I do not know, i admit that a delusion is likely the case.

If you have a delusion, why should we take note of anything you say? Isn’t it all likely to be bollocks?

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But i also admit that others have other ideas.

More weasel words: who are these “others” and what do they have to support their delusion? Do you believe others?

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Technically, a tulpa is imaginary in the physical sense,

What do you mean “technically”? If it is imaginary, it is not real. If it is real, it is not imaginary. More weasel words.

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Again though, it is claimed that tulpae use the host's brain for sentience and such.

“There you go again – vague statements, weasel words, dodging – who claims “that tulpae use the host's brain”? You? Someone else? What proof do they have? Do you believe them?

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I am waiting for you to use some "Christian logic" such as "There are many things we do not know!" "You cannot know unless you accept tulpas." etc.

Nyet, do not expect such garbage from me.  :angel:

But I got it didn’t I? All that “special pleading” -> “tulpae use the host's brain” how does that differ from the typical, “Everything needs a cause but God was always there.”

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But you now know that it is impossible and that you "create" nothing other than a delusion, the very thing that we here oppose. There is no logic, there is no science, there is no proof, there is no evidence and there never will be, and there is no advantage.

Never stated there was an advantage, and i never stated that a tulpa is not a delusion.
Heck, i never even said that you must believe what i must believe.

That doesn’t answer any of the points, does it. You’re dodging again. See how you used negative statements? Always remember that “I never said it was not” does not mean “I did say that it was.”

Can you give straight answers?

 What does it matter if you did or did not say we must believe what you believe? Are you writing this just out of a theoretical interest?... Don’t say “yes”, look at the title of the thread: you believe tupla are real and sentient, don’t you?

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You seem to have once read something about tulpas and, not realising that it is all garbage, and without any critical thought, you decided you'd have a go at making one. You thought that this would make you interesting.

Actually, i started making Alexis, knowing that the idea is unbelievable.

It is not polite to call someone a liar, so I will say, “It appears that your recollection of real events is somewhat inaccurate.”

You were taken in by the idea of others doing this and because there’s something exotic about Tibetan monks.

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It was when odd things started happening when i started to wonder if tulpae are real.

This is the Christian argument, isn’t it: “If you believe in God, you will believe in God.” Anyway, I can't see why anyone should think they are "real" - they are in your mind -> imaginary, a self-induced delusion.

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I may not be a genius, but i am not stupid. (Granted, i am rather smart for a WA Aussie...)
If you need to know, i made this topic for a personal progress report, for a discussion, and for information.
So, you are using WWGHA bandwidth for personal reasons. You are not discussing, you are dodging. You have provided no information that can be of interest to anyone but yourself.

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Mr Jason for example, has said that it is very well possible that tulpae could be a result of a well tuned sub-conscience.
Mr Jason is politely suggesting you’re batshit.

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As for hijacked space, i do honestly want a discussion here, of any kind, i do not want to simply hog up space for a progress report.
You will discuss things only with those who do not present you with any cognitive dissonance -> that is not discussion.

Your continued use of “it is said…” “Some people think…” “Many believe that…” "others say..." "it is said ..." is the land of the deluded and the snake-oil salesman.

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I am also amazed that you can criticise Christians/Muslims/etc. from your position. What would you say if one of them asked, "What about you creating sentient tuplas then?"

Big difference for starters.

Theists believe well and truly that "god" is real, can interact with anything, and generally made the universe.

I on the other-hand believe that it is likely that tulpae are a delusion, and generally don't do much.

There you go again! Answer! "What about you creating sentient tuplas then?" -> God is held by believers to create sentient beings, isn’t he? Do you feel "God-like"?

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One thing i like to do is ask a theist "Would you say that i have a sentient companion in my head named Alexis?", of course the response is "Of course not, such things are not possible!" then i say how that is how i feel about god...

So, you understand that other people might not believe in tuplas, but you do believe in tuplas? That is what you are saying, isn’t it? –> You know why a Christian doesn’t accept tuplas and a Christian should understand why you do not accept the Christian god?

You need to read [wiki]The Three Christs of Ypsilanti[/wiki]

I have difficulty with the way your mind works… you sincerely believe that tuplas are real and are sentient, yet you dissemble that you are in some doubt as a way of bringing people to you to hear about your theory.

Why do you feel the need to tell people about it? Are you looking for acceptance?

Just so we know where we stand, I think we need to hear something from you like:

“Tuplas are just a fancy name for a self-created delusion. They are nothing more than an “invisible friend” like kids have, but if you give the delusion a name, it sounds mysterious because I am copying Tibetan monks. It also makes people who induce this delusion in themselves appear interesting.”
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: jdawg70 on November 20, 2013, 09:47:37 AM
At this point it really sounds like your argument is that a tulpa is not an imaginary friend, and then you go through great lengths to ensure that it looks as much like an imaginary friend as possible.
I have also said that a tulpa is pretty much imaginary friend 2.0.
Then provide a changelog or concede that you just repackaged Imaginary Friend 1.0 with an incremented version number.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 20, 2013, 06:58:41 PM
Alright, so saying things that others have said from the tulpa forms obviously is not going anywhere here...

So i might as well list what i have found...

Tulpae are in the brain.

Tulpae are delusions.

Tulpae have the illusion of sentience.

That said, update number 15#: not much has happened recently of interest.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: nogodsforme on November 20, 2013, 08:36:54 PM
A 'n A;
As a person with a tiny bit more life experience than you, I predict one of two things happening:

1) You will one day ditch the whole tulpa thing when you get older, get a job, get a girl/boy friend, get out of  school, ie get a life and are no longer "bored".[1]
 
1)a) You will divert your obvious creativity and imagination into writing stories, or producing some other art form as a healthier and more useful outlet. You will think of your tulpa time as when you were trying out new creative concepts, like an artist's blue period.[2]

1)b)  You will never mention your tulpa time to anyone. Ever. If someone brings it up you will change the subject. You will become a certified public accountant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTH3VHBnBSE   

2) You will create many more tulpa. You will one day wake up in a strait jacket.

I suggest you pick door number one.
 1. I wish I had time on my hands to create imaginary people in my head, dress them up and take them out to play. Wanna help me with some yard work--pruning, collecting leaves, turning the compost--and recaulk two bathrooms and grade 40 college-level essays and cornrow my daughter's hair? With the two of you it will take no time at all...
 2. I have an artistic friend from high school who did lots of drugs and took thousands of pictures of toilets. She's better now.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 21, 2013, 02:04:37 AM
1) You will one day ditch the whole tulpa thing when you get older, get a job, get a girl/boy friend, get out of  school, ie get a life and are no longer "bored".

Don't want a girlfriend, already have a job, planning on completing school...

I wish I had time on my hands to create imaginary people in my head, dress them up and take them out to play. Wanna help me with some yard work--pruning, collecting leaves, turning the compost--and recaulk two bathrooms and grade 40 college-level essays and cornrow my daughter's hair? With the two of you it will take no time at all...

I know right?
Having a tulpa would make everything twice as easy! *end satire*
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 22, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
Update number 16!

God damn am i tired...i need a new job...
Anyway, Alexis claims god does not exist. 9_9
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Zankuu on November 22, 2013, 04:53:58 PM
Anyway, Alexis claims god does not exist. 9_9

Does it surprise you that a person's imaginary friend would share a core belief or value with them? My friend's daughter loves strawberry shortcake. Her imaginary friend also loves strawberry shortcake. Not exactly unexpected.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 22, 2013, 08:11:20 PM
Alexis also does not care about being set on fire.

I do not like being set on fire.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mr. Blackwell on November 22, 2013, 08:40:39 PM
You've brainwashed yourself into having an imaginary friend based on a children's cartoon.


You honestly couldn't think of anything better to do with your mind's power?

http://www.mindpowerworld.com/how-to-brainwash-yourself-into-positive-transformation
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 22, 2013, 09:09:23 PM
You honestly couldn't think of anything better to do with your mind's power?

Probably not.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Mr. Blackwell on November 22, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
Fair enough...guess you gotta start somewhere.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 23, 2013, 12:47:37 AM
*shrugs*
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 26, 2013, 06:46:52 PM
So, would anyone here say that tulpae could be some form of MPD?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 27, 2013, 06:24:03 AM
Update No17.

Humorous moment.

Wondering what Alexis would wear, first she got a monocle, which i did not like.
Then a top hat, again i did not like it. (Since when do females wear those...)

It then led to her wearing socks...
The connection of socks and bronies is a strange one...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: jdawg70 on November 27, 2013, 09:28:23 AM
Angus -

You appear to really want some manner of outlet for cataloging this whole 'tulpa' thing...and if you want to use this site that's fine I suppose but I question what exactly it is you expect to get from that and how applicable it is to this community.

May I suggest just getting a Twitter account?  A quick search of #tulpa shows a number of people who are doing this; instead of posting day-to-day's here, perhaps it would be better if you tweeted about it?  You may find kinship; you may find more info (for example, just discovered that there is a tulpa-related reddit subgroup); you may find nothing from a social standpoint but it still gives you the same avenue of writing and posting about your tulpa in a more...personal sense.

I just don't know how useful, or even appropriate, it is to treat a forum as a personal blog.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Anfauglir on November 27, 2013, 10:06:02 AM
Tulpae have the illusion of sentience.

Can you clarify this sentence please?

Do you mean "tulpae present the appearance of sentience to the 'host'", or "the tulpa believes it is a sentient entity when it really is not"?
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 27, 2013, 06:37:18 PM
Can you clarify this sentence please?

Do you mean "tulpae present the appearance of sentience to the 'host'", or "the tulpa believes it is a sentient entity when it really is not"?

It seems to be the first one.

You appear to really want some manner of outlet for cataloging this whole 'tulpa' thing...and if you want to use this site that's fine I suppose but I question what exactly it is you expect to get from that and how applicable it is to this community.

I want answers, and i obviously am not going to get any valid ones on a tulpa website.

I just don't know how useful, or even appropriate, it is to treat a forum as a personal blog.  Just a thought.

This thread is not a blog, the title does state discussion, questions and assorted stuff.
Sadly very few discuss here...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on November 30, 2013, 10:05:37 AM
Okay...we were kinda getting a conversation then...

1-update 18.

Darn you Alexis, why is number of holes in your legs so inconsistent?...
We have not been doing much, just talking, thinking and designing...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on December 04, 2013, 06:34:46 AM
Update 19.

After a debacle of Alexis, socks and the fandom, the decision of the allowance of herself to wear socks was made.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on December 09, 2013, 02:05:10 AM
Update 2X10.

More generic tulpa related stuff...
Could anyone suggest any possible experiments?

Merry near-christmas by the way!
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on December 10, 2013, 02:06:34 AM
Update 3X7 (woot, maths.)

Alexis seems autonomous...

Still wondering what to do...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Traveler on December 10, 2013, 03:03:32 AM
Update 3X7 (woot, maths.)

Alexis seems autonomous...

Still wondering what to do...

Ask her what to do.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on December 10, 2013, 03:33:52 AM
Apparently she does not know what to do...she just shrugs...
Title: Art...and tulpae.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on December 13, 2013, 05:28:43 AM
So, is there any artists here?

How do you prefer to design characters? Preferably details.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on December 17, 2013, 05:29:53 AM
Because i find (now) that writing a report here is stupid, can someone just please lock this?

I will probably just...like...link something in my signature and pm people to discuss there.

Sorry for any hardships ;D.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: jynnan tonnix on December 17, 2013, 07:46:33 AM
No need to lock it. Just stop posting here and so will everyone else. There weren't very many people responding in any case. It will fade away in no time.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on December 17, 2013, 08:26:31 AM
Okay...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: Shaffy on December 17, 2013, 04:28:38 PM
I still don't know what "tulpa" is, and I still don't care to know.

-Nam

Agreed

-Shaffy
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on December 17, 2013, 10:10:05 PM
You replied to one of the oldest posts on this thread...
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on December 24, 2013, 04:49:57 AM
Update number 22...

Okay, i had to bring this back up, because inevitably i was going to.

Alexis seems capable of addition and subtraction, but not multiplication or division...

Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on December 30, 2013, 11:58:10 PM
23.

She also seems to have emotions.
Title: Re: Tulpa related log/discussion/questions/assorted stuff.
Post by: ThatZenoGuy on January 01, 2014, 11:44:53 AM
24.

Haven't been able to concentrate again...

Rather annoying, but is revealing odd things.