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Title: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Irish on September 27, 2013, 09:11:32 PM
This is for pure curiosity.  I've just finished my clinical rotation through the blood bank (woo-hoo!) and I wanted to see what kind of variation we had here on this forum.  If this poll gets enough votes we should approach the real world frequencies seen of each blood group.

If you're unsure, say so.  Maybe it can be determined through familial knowledge.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Anfauglir on September 28, 2013, 03:38:08 AM
I have no idea - that's bad, I guess!  Although I've had enough tests that I'd know if it was one of the really rare ones.

Re: your research, it would be interesting if atheists generally had a different blood group to the population at large!  Maybe our midiclorians are busted?  ;D

I wonder how Christians account for the wide range of blood groups?  Irish, if you started from a population of two, and we assume they have different blood types (and those types are the ones allowing most diversity), is it possible to get to the number of types we have now?
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: wright on September 28, 2013, 03:42:51 AM
AB+; I used to contribute regularly until I got turned away for an iron deficiency that my doctor was never able to pin down. That was some time ago; I'll have to go by the blood bank again and see if I pass now.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: hickdive on September 28, 2013, 05:49:36 AM
At this point, with only five votes, all in different groups, the statistical occurrence of B- is correct!

PS Blood Bank, pah! Haemostasis is where it's at in the wonderful world of blood.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Nick on September 28, 2013, 06:47:40 AM
I think mine is red.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: One Above All on September 28, 2013, 06:51:25 AM
I think mine is red.

Mine is acid. Weird, right? :S
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: ParkingPlaces on September 28, 2013, 07:48:47 AM
O+ for me.

I love knowing medical terms that I can spell.  ;D

Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: shnozzola on September 28, 2013, 09:53:45 AM
O-
  yes, everyone can have my blood.  But I only give blood for free Ruby Tuesday Pretzel Burger coupons.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Irish on September 28, 2013, 02:00:39 PM
Irish, if you started from a population of two, and we assume they have different blood types (and those types are the ones allowing most diversity), is it possible to get to the number of types we have now?

It'd be possible within one generation.  If you start with a type A mother/father and a type B father/mother their children can be type A, B, AB, or O with a 25% chance for each type per conception.  That's the pairing allowing the most diversity.

However, that's just considering ABO types and not including the Rh typing.  If you want to consider the Rh type as well pair together an A+ mother/father and a B+ father/mother and it is possible to get any of the eight ABO/Rh types within the next generation.   :o
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Anfauglir on September 29, 2013, 02:33:57 AM
However, that's just considering ABO types and not including the Rh typing.  If you want to consider the Rh type as well pair together an A+ mother/father and a B+ father/mother and it is possible to get any of the eight ABO/Rh types within the next generation.   :o

Wowsers.  Blood is mental!
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Graybeard on September 29, 2013, 08:26:04 AM
Mine is ABV 40%
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Nam on September 29, 2013, 11:56:13 AM
I voted "unsure", also--I don't care.

-Nam
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Foxy Freedom on September 29, 2013, 12:06:36 PM
You better get your blood group checked in case you meet an angry Christian.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Nam on September 29, 2013, 12:07:24 PM
You better get your blood group checked in case you meet an angry Christian.

Like you?

-Nam
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Foxy Freedom on September 29, 2013, 12:11:04 PM
Now that really is an insult calling me a Christian.

Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: shnozzola on September 29, 2013, 12:30:22 PM
trying to make a table of the population

- someone smarter than me needed   :-[         thanks beforehand

Out of 100 donors . . . . .
          84 donors are RH+
          16 donors are RH-
          38 are O+
           7 are O-
           34 are A+
           6 are A-
           9 are B+ 
            2 are B-
           3 are AB+ 
            1 is AB-

-wonder why god did this  &)
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: neopagan on September 29, 2013, 11:39:29 PM
B- for me...
Looks like I should be donating blood on a regular basis (besides what I do when building stuff on the weekends and slicing various extremities with power tools)
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Fiji on September 30, 2013, 02:45:18 AM
-wonder why god did this  &)

Soooo thaaaat ... more people would die from transfusions. And then, when science figures it out, he can go, "OOOOh Yeah, made it that way on purpose ... proof by design!!!"
Even if that, you know, makes absolutely zero sense. But, hey, gods and sense ... never the two shall meet.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Fiji on September 30, 2013, 02:47:34 AM
O-
  yes, everyone can have my blood.  But I only give blood for free Ruby Tuesday Pretzel Burger coupons.

We're blood buddies!!!
O-neg!
woohoo!
 ... which is actually a bad thing ... if governments ever start sending out blood harvesting drones  :o
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Mrjason on September 30, 2013, 04:11:56 AM
A+ for me. Best grade I ever had. Apparently 35% of the UK population is A+ so perhaps it's not such a good grade after all :(

Stats for UK blood groups are on the NHS website - http://www.blood.co.uk/about-blood/blood-group-basics/ (http://www.blood.co.uk/about-blood/blood-group-basics/)

I am a regular donor taking part in the interval study ATM. This isn't entirely altruistic as I normally get 2 (TWO!) chocolate biscuits afterwards.

Also I've been told that regular donation is good for your health as when your body replenishes the lost blood you get new white cells sooner than you would normally which improves your immune system.
Not sure how much truth there is in that though.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: rev45 on September 30, 2013, 07:02:14 AM
B- for me...
Looks like I should be donating blood on a regular basis (besides what I do when building stuff on the weekends and slicing various extremities with power tools)
B- also.  I wish I could donate but I always get woozy when I've had blood drawn and after taking a hit to the head at an old job, I can't even see blood without almost (and sometimes actually) passing out.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Anfauglir on September 30, 2013, 07:04:28 AM
I'm not allowed to give blood 'cause of the meds I'm on.   :(
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Tero on September 30, 2013, 07:58:10 AM
I know the blood hroups of both of my kids and did the Punnett square. But I've forgotten. AB I think. My wife is O.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Traveler on September 30, 2013, 10:46:04 AM
I'm not allowed to give blood 'cause of the meds I'm on.   :(

Ditto for me because of chemo, cancer, and the ongoing anti-cancer meds. I get mixed reports on whether I'll ever be able to donate blood or organs. Some say that some groups will take them, but I can't even think about it until I've been off the meds for five years.

Big bummer, because I'm O- and used to donate all the time.

Last time I saw a blood mobile I went in and thanked everyone, telling them a little of my story. I needed 6 units at various times during my treatment, because I was so very, very depleted. I told them people like them saved my life and everyone got all weepy and gave me a t-shirt.  :)
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: earthfreak on September 30, 2013, 01:28:08 PM
I never give blood because I get super dizzy and tired.  I have pretty low blood pressure naturally, not sure if it is related.  I also have AB+ blood, which I think is pretty much the least useful kind in a blood bank (like no one but someone else with AB+ could use it, and there arent' a lot of us)  so I use that to assuage my conscience...
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Zankuu on September 30, 2013, 02:25:16 PM
B- for me...
B- also.

B- brotherhood unite! Take a needle for the team guys. I ride a motorcycle so the odds of me getting some rev or neo blood isn't out of the realm of possibilities.  ;)
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: nogodsforme on September 30, 2013, 02:48:28 PM
I can't give blood because of all the countries I have lived in and diseases I have had. However, I have gotten a blood transfusion-- guaranteeing me a very special place in paradise after Armageddon according to the JW's.[1] Thanks, everyone who donated. :D
 1. I have to admit it felt a bit weird to agree to it, since that was drummed into me as one of the major no-no's. Early conditioning is hard to shake off.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: relativetruth on September 30, 2013, 02:50:22 PM
AB+ which means that my blood is not much good to most people even though I could take most peoples' blood.

I have still given blood on a few occasions even though I never got to find out if they ever used it or not!!
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: neopagan on September 30, 2013, 03:16:13 PM
B- for me...
B- also.

B- brotherhood unite! Take a needle for the team guys. I ride a motorcycle so the odds of me getting some rev or neo blood isn't out of the realm of possibilities.  ;)

You wouldn't want mine... it had the fundie virus coursing through it for nearly 36 years.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Nam on September 30, 2013, 04:43:31 PM
I never give blood because I get super dizzy and tired.  I have pretty low blood pressure naturally, not sure if it is related.  I also have AB+ blood, which I think is pretty much the least useful kind in a blood bank (like no one but someone else with AB+ could use it, and there arent' a lot of us)  so I use that to assuage my conscience...

When I was young (younger than 11, don't remember exact age) I had to go to this place outside Miami so they could remove a shitload of my blood. Apparently, my doctor said I had too much blood, or something. What I do remember is them starting on my right arm, then 6+ hours later they started on my left.

I've given enough of my blood to last three lifetimes. It ain't ever happening again.

-Nam
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: jynnan tonnix on September 30, 2013, 09:39:43 PM
Since we lived in Scotland for a couple of years, and were not vegetarians, no one in my family can donate blood here in the USA to this day. Something about mad cow disease. Even my younger son, who was only 4 months old when we moved away (and 22 years old now) is still not permitted to donate because of what he might have been exposed to in utero. Seems a bit excessive, but what do I know?
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Boots on September 30, 2013, 09:52:52 PM
I'm A Pos.  My dad is AB neg, but it figures that I get the most common possible blood type from his rarest...

I used to donate platelets regularly.  I was a gold mine of those buggers; gave almost double the normal amount in 75% of the normal time.  They had to specially calibrate the machines to accommodate me!  Maybe I should start doing that again, now that my kids are older and easier to "deal with"...
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: nogodsforme on September 30, 2013, 10:13:28 PM
I never give blood because I get super dizzy and tired.  I have pretty low blood pressure naturally, not sure if it is related.  I also have AB+ blood, which I think is pretty much the least useful kind in a blood bank (like no one but someone else with AB+ could use it, and there arent' a lot of us)  so I use that to assuage my conscience...

When I was young (younger than 11, don't remember exact age) I had to go to this place outside Miami so they could remove a shitload of my blood. Apparently, my doctor said I had too much blood, or something. What I do remember is them starting on my right arm, then 6+ hours later they started on my left.

I've given enough of my blood to last three lifetimes. It ain't ever happening again.

-Nam

My FIL had that condition, I think. Something like the opposite of anemia. They had to draw off a bunch of his blood regularly at a local blood bank. Then again, there was this guy who worked there who looked an awful lot like Robert Pattinson..... :o
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: wright on September 30, 2013, 11:04:02 PM
^^^You and Nam mentioning this condition made me curious, so I did a little searching. Viola...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythrocytosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythrocytosis)
Quote
The emergency treatment of polycythemia (e.g. in hyperviscosity or thrombosis) is by venesection, the removal of blood from the circulation. Depending on the underlying cause, venesection may also be used on a regular basis to reduce the red blood cell count.

Thanks; I learned something new.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: neopagan on September 30, 2013, 11:29:21 PM
Who said Nam didn't have a heart?  He obviously has a very active one!  ;)
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: wright on October 01, 2013, 01:02:17 PM
Who said Nam didn't have a heart?  He obviously has a very active one!  ;)

More like overactive marrow. But that seems to be in his past, now  ;D
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: stuffin on October 01, 2013, 01:47:09 PM
I'm a universal donor (O-) but I don't donate any more. After working in the hospital for 25 years and seeing the waste and unnecessary transfusions I made the decision to stop donating.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: wright on October 01, 2013, 09:52:12 PM
^^^Your call of course, stuffin. I'm sad and a bit curious about the unnecessary waste you speak of. I'm not used to thinking of blood donation in that way. Could you elaborate?
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Irish on October 02, 2013, 06:52:31 PM
I know the blood hroups of both of my kids and did the Punnett square. But I've forgotten. AB I think. My wife is O.

If you are AB and your wife is O then your kids have to be type A and/or B.  If you have an AB or O child then the type of either you or your wife is off.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Irish on October 02, 2013, 06:59:04 PM
I also have AB+ blood, which I think is pretty much the least useful kind in a blood bank (like no one but someone else with AB+ could use it, and there arent' a lot of us)  so I use that to assuage my conscience...

Well not to guilt trip you into unnecessarily donating but type AB is the universal donor for plasma and platelets.  Type O is universal for red blood cells.  Plasma and platelet units are made from the whole blood that you donate at the blood donation center.

The reason AB blood isn't in high need is because type AB people can receive any of the four types: A, B, AB, or O.  So lets say you get into an accident and need blood but the hospital doesn't have any type AB.  The blood bank can set you up with type O, B, or A blood and you'll be just fine.  Lucky duck!
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Irish on October 02, 2013, 07:02:26 PM
AB+ which means that my blood is not much good to most people even though I could take most peoples' blood.

I have still given blood on a few occasions even though I never got to find out if they ever used it or not!!

Since type AB is the universal donor for plasma and platelet products I would almost guarantee someone received some product from you.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Irish on October 02, 2013, 07:10:44 PM
^^^Your call of course, stuffin. I'm sad and a bit curious about the unnecessary waste you speak of. I'm not used to thinking of blood donation in that way. Could you elaborate?

I don't know about stuffin's exact case but blood, and blood products, like all things, has an expiration date.  From the day of collection blood units have to be transfused or thrown away within 35 or 42 days, depending on which preservative is used.  Plasma is good frozen for a year but once unfrozen it expires within 5 days.  Platelets expire in 5 days and cannot be frozen.

The one positive is that blood units that hold very rare blood types can be specially frozen for 10 years.  These aren't blood units with rare ABO/Rh types.  These are units of rare types of the other blood groups.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: nogodsforme on October 02, 2013, 08:00:45 PM
Since I have B- blood, what kind did I get in my transfusion?
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: neopagan on October 02, 2013, 08:12:18 PM
Since I have B- blood, what kind did I get in my transfusion?

You got gravy... mmmm
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Irish on October 02, 2013, 08:31:28 PM
Since I have B- blood, what kind did I get in my transfusion?

Depends on the circumstances but you either received B neg or O neg blood.

If the transfusion was from an emergency situation, say a car accident, the hospital may have transfused O neg blood until the blood bank determined your blood type and then they would have switched you to B neg.

But if it was a routine transfusion your type would have been determined well before and you would have received B neg only.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: wright on October 02, 2013, 10:06:25 PM
I don't know about stuffin's exact case but blood, and blood products, like all things, has an expiration date.  From the day of collection blood units have to be transfused or thrown away within 35 or 42 days, depending on which preservative is used.  Plasma is good frozen for a year but once unfrozen it expires within 5 days.  Platelets expire in 5 days and cannot be frozen.

The one positive is that blood units that hold very rare blood types can be specially frozen for 10 years.  These aren't blood units with rare ABO/Rh types.  These are units of rare types of the other blood groups.

Thanks for the info, Irish. I realize that there has to be some wastage, but the cliche "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it," seems to apply to donated blood pretty well. stuffin seemed to be referring to something beyond that.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: stuffin on October 03, 2013, 09:53:29 AM
^^^Your call of course, stuffin. I'm sad and a bit curious about the unnecessary waste you speak of. I'm not used to thinking of blood donation in that way. Could you elaborate?

Certainly could elaborate.

Transfused many patients who were going to die not matter what we did. I distinctly remember multiple transfusions of 90+ year old patients with terminal cancer ( many younger ones too). Patients who were bleeding out but there was no way to stop it, or they were inoperable, yet we pumped blood and plasma in them for days till they expired. Patients who were in  comas for long periods and needed tremedous maitnence just to keep them alive. These are just a just a few of what I remember.

I can understand the family’s needs and wishes in many of these instances, but the medical  personal (DOCTORS) could have done a better job of explaining and guiding the choices in many of these instances.

Please understand I'm a bit calloused/tainted by my experiences but that should not affect anyone who would like to donate.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: wright on October 03, 2013, 11:20:34 AM
Thanks for the elaboration, stuffin. I certainly don't feel qualified to debate the merits of transfusing people who are probably in terminal condition.

And I'll probably donate again, if it turns out I qualify, for the sake of those do need it. If there's a significant chance I can help someone like Traveler or junebug that way at little cost to myself, then I consider it worthwhile.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: nogodsforme on October 03, 2013, 02:56:00 PM
Since I have B- blood, what kind did I get in my transfusion?

Depends on the circumstances but you either received B neg or O neg blood.

If the transfusion was from an emergency situation, say a car accident, the hospital may have transfused O neg blood until the blood bank determined your blood type and then they would have switched you to B neg.

But if it was a routine transfusion your type would have been determined well before and you would have received B neg only.

It was not a sudden emergency; I had a high risk pregnancy and they recommended a transfusion after the cesarean. So it was B neg. It's funny to think about getting someone else's blood, like who was it and what are they like? I also have a cadaver graft in my foot-- somewhere there is an immortal soul limping around heaven or hell.... ;)
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: neopagan on October 03, 2013, 03:06:02 PM
^^^ I wrote a story in high school about all the tissue/organ donors hanging out in heaven with their missing parts.  Jeezus was upset with them for voluntarily handing out their perfectly good body parts and kept them in a separate part of heaven where they were just used for repairs on all the "whole xians" for all eternity.  Seems he had no issue "repairing" those who were killed or maimed, he just took offense at the ones who voluntarily gave pieces up. 

The teacher found the story amusing and actually gave me an "A" but told me I was being sacreligious... An early crack in my armor, I suppose?
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Nam on October 03, 2013, 05:29:13 PM
I asked my mother what my blood type is, and she said, "U-". I was like, "Say, what?". She said, "Urinated. The negative sign denotes it being dirty."

:'(

-Nam
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Irish on October 03, 2013, 10:53:19 PM
I had a high risk pregnancy and they recommended a transfusion after the cesarean. So it was B neg.

Oh yeah then your type would have been known well before hand and the blood bank probably had multiple units waiting for you on the day of your surgery.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Fiji on October 04, 2013, 12:58:12 AM
This thread is actually a good reminder that we're all just biological machines that happen to be aware that we exist.
In Belgium organ donation is the default, you need to opt out if you don't want to end up in neopagan's maintenance section of heaven.
Doctors, however, often still wait for the ok from the next of kin ... out of concern for religious sensitivities ... bunch of dumbasses.
I myself have often stated that they can do whatever they want with my remains, I don't need them anymore ... just, not ... Körperwelten ... that just seems so wasteful.
Title: Re: Blood groups - pure curiosity
Post by: Irish on October 04, 2013, 06:35:13 PM
I myself have often stated that they can do whatever they want with my remains, I don't need them anymore

Same here.  As far as I'm concerned after I die you can transplant whatever organ, skin, or blood from me that's still in good shape.