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Title: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: naemhni on July 09, 2013, 07:07:48 PM
Hello, I just happened to read your article about God and His response to prayers , especially to those with amputees.

I just needed to tell my view on this. I pray to God which has no son, which is not a father, which sent all the prophets to the people to warn them.

My God answers prayers but not in the way that you expect. Nobody wants to have diseases, cancer, bad life, be poor, be sick, be homeless. But we have them.

Why are you homeless! Why are you poor! Why are you sick? Are all of those coming from your actions or these are all coming from the God that you thought if you pray , you are %100 protected, nothing is going to happen?

My God created this world not as a heaven, but as a test for all humans. We will have bad and good, but we will have God,(doesn't matter you don't believe in Him, He is just everywhere, closer to you than you can imagine) and remember the afterlife by dealing best with our problems, get lessons, teach others, try to pass this test as best as we can TO BE CLOSE TO GOD AT THE END.

And My God again tells everybody " bring those who died if you are able" , bring them if you can, " collect their bones again and create them again if you can" You can't. "

So God doesn't heal Amputees doesn't mean He can't. He would have saved you from having amputees at the first place if He wanted to.

It doesn't mean I am totally rejecting science, my God tells me even a falling of a leaf from a tree is not a coincidence.." Do you think you are created for no reason and left out to live randomly?" .....He says.

Just shared my view.

Sent from my iPad
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Aaron123 on July 09, 2013, 07:30:54 PM
So basically, god does nothing.  Pretty much the same as a non-existence god.

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My God answers prayers but not in the way that you expect.

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My God created this world not as a heaven, but as a test for all humans.

I've always found the uage of "my god" to be a curious choice of words.  As though god is your property, instead of a sovereign being.

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And My God again tells everybody " bring those who died if you are able" , bring them if you can, " collect their bones again and create them again if you can" You can't. "

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It doesn't mean I am totally rejecting science, my God tells me even a falling of a leaf from a tree is not a coincidence

Just how did god tell these things to you?  Inquiring minds wants to know...

Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Nick on July 09, 2013, 08:42:31 PM
Let me guess.  If I follow this God and pass His test when I die I can get 72 virgins...right?  And I'm guessing God hates trees also because that leaf you talked about...I had to rake a shit load of those last Fall.  God was testing me...right?
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Astreja on July 09, 2013, 09:21:26 PM
My God created this world not as a heaven, but as a test for all humans.

I'm not interested in being "tested" by a god that can't even drop by My house for a chat and a cup of tea.  (Springy G unilaterally cancels the course and refunds everyone's tuition)
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Chronos on July 09, 2013, 10:00:08 PM
Hello, I just happened to read your article about God and His response to prayers , especially to those with amputees.

I just needed to tell my view on this. I pray to God which has no son, which is not a father, which sent all the prophets to the people to warn them.

Are you saying you are Jewish or Muslim?


My God answers prayers but not in the way that you expect.

When you say that "god" doesn't answer prayers in the way that people expect, your "god" apparently doesn't answer prayers in any particularly recognizable way. The answers to prayers are, at best, random acts of randomness.

This is how "god" always gets a bye in any circumstance in which the desired outcome has not occurred. Believers either re-characterize the answer as something else or something less simply to justify their belief in the "god". Why can the most powerful entity in the universe be completely incapable of demonstrating any consistency of action whatsoever?


Why are you homeless! Why are you poor! Why are you sick? Are all of those coming from your actions or these are all coming from the God that you thought if you pray , you are %100 protected, nothing is going to happen?

I do not follow your thoughts here. Could you rephrase?


My God created this world not as a heaven, but as a test for all humans.

If "god" created this world as a test for humans, then the "god" with all the answers is not grading his subjects well. In fact, "god" is not even in the classroom. He never shows up for church, Sunday school or bible camp.


We will have bad and good, but we will have God,(doesn't matter you don't believe in Him, He is just everywhere ...

Are you saying that "god" is nitrogen? Nitrogen is everywhere. So are quantum fluctuations. Is "god" a quirky quark?


And My God again tells everybody " bring those who died if you are able" , bring them if you can, " collect their bones again and create them again if you can" You can't. "

Are you saying that you are killing people and the bones are the bounty you must lay before your "god"?


So God doesn't heal Amputees doesn't mean He can't. He would have saved you from having amputees at the first place if He wanted to.

Ah, you see, that's the rub. Your "god" never wants to restore an amputee's missing limb. Not once. Not ever. The fact that you are ignoring this obvious glitch in your "god" is what causes us to be exasperated.

Your "god" has never healed a single amputee. An amputee is a very obvious case ripe for the demonstrable power of your "god" to heal, to restore, to perform a miracle. Yet not a single amputee has ever had his or her leg, arm, hand, finger, ear, nose or tongue restored. But you wish to ignore this quantifiable and obvious fact and continue to state that I should believe in some "god" that I can't see, never shows up for anything even when you worship him by drinking his blood and eating his flesh ... This complete lack of reasoning is perplexing. Why do you make excuses for your "god"?


It doesn't mean I am totally rejecting science, my God tells me even a falling of a leaf from a tree is not a coincidence.." Do you think you are created for no reason and left out to live randomly?" .....He says.

He talks to you?


Just shared my view.

Sent from my iPad

Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: kin hell on July 10, 2013, 07:26:13 AM
The implication of the statement that god created everything as a test for humans, is that god needed to actually run the experiment before he could get the results.

Lame limited lightweight god.
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Nick on July 10, 2013, 09:53:06 AM
We are nothing but an ant farm to this God creature.
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Nam on July 10, 2013, 08:11:47 PM
OP,

Your god sounds like a boring douche.

-Nam
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: nogodsforme on July 10, 2013, 11:15:25 PM
I can't wait for the end of the world, when the sky opens up and there is this giant test pattern, along with a loud, deafening squawk. Followed by a booming disembodied voice saying:

"This is a test of the universe broadcast system. In the case of a real existence, you would be informed of all metaphysical choices. This is only a test." :police:

My luck, it would be Keanu Reeves in sunglasses saying it.... :P
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: naemhni on July 12, 2013, 05:59:03 AM
The LW responds via email:

I really appreciate all the responses, and thank you for sharing my thoughts with your members.

It is just sad from my side to see all people here are sad and angry with God. They see him as if He is a person who wrecked their lives. Give and Take relationship belongs to Humans, not to God.

Whatever I say will not make any difference as long as their eyes are blind. I pray they will understand the Real God is not their enemy.


Thank you.





Whatever I say will not make any difference

Sent from my iPad
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Nick on July 12, 2013, 08:00:38 AM
Have to agree with you there.  Nothing you have said so far makes any difference.
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Dante on July 12, 2013, 08:16:20 AM
The LW responds via email:
It is just sad from my side to see all people here are sad and angry with God. They see him as if He is a person who wrecked their lives. Give and Take relationship belongs to Humans, not to God.

Hey, you! Captain Moron! We're neither sad, nor angry with your, or any one else's god. Wanna guess why?

Because gods are imaginary. They dont exist. It's all in your head. And what's sad, I mean truely tragic, is all the deluded people on the planet who would rather not use reason and logic and evidence to form their worldviews. Fuckin' sheeple.......
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Anfauglir on July 12, 2013, 08:37:07 AM
The LW responds via email:
Give and Take relationship belongs to Humans, not to God.

Hmmm - this is the most telling thing to me.  Believer#2752 seems to be firmly of the opinion that his god can do whatever he wants, because.....well, just because, that's all!

Seems to be saying that "might makes right".  Fair enough, I can accept that.

Provided he dosn't then try to tell us about how his god is also super-loving and really wants a "relationship" with us....because a relationship IS "give and take".  An interaction with NO give and take is a dictatorship, or slavery.  Have to equate that with "loving", or "good".
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: William on July 12, 2013, 09:31:35 AM
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... my God tells me even a falling of a leaf from a tree is not a coincidence.."

God is such a moving target these days  &)
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: screwtape on July 12, 2013, 09:54:46 AM
It is just sad from my side to see all people here are sad and angry with God. They see him as if He is a person who wrecked their lives. Give and Take relationship belongs to Humans, not to God.

Hi.  You are completely wrong about that. I'm not sad at all.  I have a great life.  And I'm sure not angry at any gods.  I think god is imaginary, so being mad at an imaginary character would be... silly.  I am kind of angry at xians, because they keep trying to wreck my country. 

Whatever I say will not make any difference as long as their eyes are blind. I pray they will understand the Real God is not their enemy.

That's funny.  We see you as the blind one.  And for what it is worth, most of us used to be xians.  I was.  I prayed for god to restore my faith.  He didn't.  So if I am blind, it is because he wants me to be. 

And I do believe that magical belief - irrationality - is the real enemy.  God is just one form of it.


Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: hickdive on July 12, 2013, 10:46:01 AM
The LW responds via email:

I really appreciate all the responses, and thank you for sharing my thoughts with your members.

It is just sad from my side to see all people here are sad and angry with God. They see him as if He is a person who wrecked their lives. Give and Take relationship belongs to Humans, not to God.

Whatever I say will not make any difference as long as their eyes are blind. I pray they will understand the Real God is not their enemy.


Thank you.





Whatever I say will not make any difference

Sent from my iPad

Are you angry with Santa because you didn't get a pony for christmas the year you asked for one? Is that why you don't believe in Santa? Is that why you're sad?

If you can understand the fallacy of the above and replace it with your god you might, just, begin to understand how foolish you sound.

However, I don't hold out much hope and I suspect you're going to go on your way telling everyone how sad and angry atheists are on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Aaron123 on July 12, 2013, 11:10:00 AM
The LW responds via email:
It is just sad from my side to see all people here are sad and angry with God. They see him as if He is a person who wrecked their lives. Give and Take relationship belongs to Humans, not to God.

Whatever I say will not make any difference as long as their eyes are blind. I pray they will understand the Real God is not their enemy.

I wonder why theists seems unable to understand the idea that atheists do not believe in a god at all.
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Chronos on July 12, 2013, 10:21:19 PM
The LW responds via email:

I really appreciate all the responses, and thank you for sharing my thoughts with your members.

Thank you for acknowledging our responses. Few rarely do.


It is just sad from my side to see all people here are sad and angry with God.

I am not sad and angry with God. I have said nothing that should indicate that I am "sad or angry". It seems that if I do not agree with you and I fail to accept your god, you will respond with the standard line that I am "sad and angry with God". We hear this all the time. It's like you, as most every other believer before you, finds that your remarks are not accepted and push a default button of "they are sad and angry with/at God" instead of considering more deeply the very points that brought you to comment in the first place.

They see him as if He is a person who wrecked their lives. Give and Take relationship belongs to Humans, not to God.

God cannot and did not wreck my life. God cannot act upon my life anymore than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. I cannot be sad and angry at something that doesn't exist, nor can I claim that such mysterious thing wrecked my life.

Do you really think about what you write? Have you been fed these basic responses so much that you pass them on rotely? Do you consider yourself unwilling to consider any other point?


Whatever I say will not make any difference as long as their eyes are blind. I pray they will understand the Real God is not their enemy.

Wow. So, as long as I disagree with you on the existence of god, I am unworthy of your time? What is this Real GodTM? Have people been worshipping a fake god of some kind and you think we are confused?




Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Hatter23 on July 16, 2013, 01:29:38 PM
Sad yes. Sad that I was promised something was real, found out it isn't real. Every bit of evidence shows it isn't real. People go around believing it is real as a justification for real harm.

I am sad about that.

Angry? No I am incapable of being atually angry with something I don't think is real. I am not angry with The Emperor from Star Wars for blowing up Alderan.

Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: neopagan on July 16, 2013, 01:50:28 PM
The LW responds via email:

I really appreciate all the responses, and thank you for sharing my thoughts with your members.

It is just sad from my side to see all people here are sad and angry with God. They see him as if He is a person who wrecked their lives. Give and Take relationship belongs to Humans, not to God.

Whatever I say will not make any difference as long as their eyes are blind. I pray they will understand the Real God is not their enemy.


Thank you.





Whatever I say will not make any difference

I've read enough of these to say... damn, I really apologize for being a fundie all those years.  I'm thinking about some self-flagellation to make up for my earlier foolishness....
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Hatter23 on July 16, 2013, 02:27:59 PM
Whatever I say will not make any difference as long as their eyes are blind.

Whatever I say will not make any difference

Sent from my iPad

No what you say will not make any difference. Do you know why? Do you?

Really?

Despite you not wanting to know I will tell you anyway.

Because people can say truth or falsehoods. If what they are saying DOES NOT MATCH WHAT I SEE...such as stating that there's an invisible intangible man that created everything, and what they are saying does not match evidence, logic, reason, or science....then it is discountable as not true.

It is that basic. What you say isn't relevant. If what you say matches up with evidence is relevant.
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Add Homonym on July 17, 2013, 09:38:36 AM
My God created this world not as a heaven, but as a test for all humans.

That doesn't work. Humans are not all created to be able to pass "the test". Because of this, Christian theologians had to invent "souls", to add an extra dimension of unverifiable confusion to the misconceived idea of a test.

If I'm born with Down's Syndrome, then how the hell am I going to pass any test?
If I'm born with childhood leukemia, and die at 5, then how to I pass this test?

Well, God has to somehow normalize what we are born with, and judge whether we passed the test, according to whether we could have done better in his opinion. Of course, you then have to explain why we could have done better, but for some reason didn't, since we were born into something that stopped us being better. Humans have acknowledged that we can't really judge people, because there are causative considerations in what made people commit crimes, or sit around and be depressed. How can you judge someone who was born with no empathy, or no intelligence?

There is a Darwinian test, though. If you die early, then you don't get to reproduce.
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Energized on July 17, 2013, 01:40:06 PM
Hello, I just happened to read your article about God and His response to prayers , especially to those with amputees.

Liar.

E.
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Post by: Energized on July 17, 2013, 01:43:25 PM
The LW responds via email:

I really appreciate all the responses, and thank you for sharing my thoughts with your members.

It is just sad from my side to see all people here are sad and angry with God. They see him as if He is a person who wrecked their lives. Give and Take relationship belongs to Humans, not to God.

Considering you didn't read the article as you claimed, I don't believe you've read anything.

Can we make this a sticky or throw it in an FAQ - a blunt response does not equal "sad and angry".


Whatever I say will not make any difference as long as their eyes are blind. I pray they will understand the Real God is not their enemy.

Thank you.

Whatever I say will not make any difference

Sent from my iPad

So when Jesus said to go and preach the gospel to all the ends of the earth... did he say this to waste people's time?

BTW (reason for edit) - how insane is this comment?

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Whatever I say will not make any difference

If nothing you say, will make any difference, then what was the point in wasting your time and ours with your nonsense?

Then again, I don't expect much from someone who believes in circular logic when he mentions "you must believe to believe".

E.
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Zankuu on July 17, 2013, 05:00:41 PM
Hello Letter Writer,

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Most people that email us are drive by mailers and one hit wonders. From what you’ve typed I’d wager you’re a practitioner of Islam, so I'll respond as if you're following the Abrahamic god. Do feel free to correct me.

My God answers prayers but not in the way that you expect.
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My God created this world not as a heaven, but as a test for all humans. We will have bad and good, but we will have God […] try to pass this test as best as we can TO BE CLOSE TO GOD AT THE END.

Our short time on earth being called a test is something I’ve heard many times from Abrahamic followers. But what makes a test a “good” test? I can think of a few qualities a good test should have (i.e. validity and practicality), but I want to focus on fairness. Is god’s test fair? If it isn’t, with such high stakes (eternal bliss vs. eternal damnation) the test is a complete and utter failure.

I'll cut to the chase- your god’s test is unfair.

Schizophrenia, Alzheimer’s disease, Antisocial personality disorder, Major depressive disorder, Huntington’s disease- these are only a few of the uncontrollable variables which would inhibit a person from being closer to your god in a myriad of ways. Any cognitive impairment that inhibits person x but doesn’t affect person y in god’s test is undeniably unfair.

This is a “hardening of hearts” on a global scale. And the issue regarding the fairness of this test stands regardless of your god’s omniscience, or lack thereof.

So God doesn't heal Amputees doesn't mean He can't. He would have saved you from having amputees at the first place if He wanted to.

You never explain how your god answers an amputee’s prayer. All you did was claim that your god answers the prayers of amputees, has the power to heal amputees, yet does not have the “want” or desire to heal amputees.  I take it his answer to all amputees is “NO.”

It is just sad from my side to see all people here are sad and angry with God. They see him as if He is a person who wrecked their lives. Give and Take relationship belongs to Humans, not to God.

Whatever I say will not make any difference as long as their eyes are blind. I pray they will understand the Real God is not their enemy.
Thank you.
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Whatever I say will not make any difference

Open minds are conducive to healthy discussions. You shouldn’t be so quick to say that your words won’t be read here. I considered and entertained them. Reciprocate.

And you misunderstand. As others have said we aren’t angry at your god. Your god is simply one god among many other proposed gods we don’t think exist.
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: Irish on July 18, 2013, 05:58:03 PM
It is just sad from my side to see all people here are sad and angry with God. They see him as if He is a person who wrecked their lives.

As Aaron123 said above me, theists have a difficult time understanding that an atheist is not mad at a god, or sad about a god, or happy or jubilant.  Those imply a god to exist on the receiving end to the emotion.  I am no more sad or angry with God than I am sad or angry with Zeus or sad and angry with Vishnuu or sad and angry with the tooth fairy.  I don't believe in a god, or gods, or goddesses, or The God, or witches, dragons, trolls, fairies, monsters, wizards, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or leprechauns.  I can no more be sad or angry with those mythical creatures as I can be sad or angry with God.  They don't exist.  There is nothing to be sad or angry with.
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Post by: Nam on July 23, 2013, 01:04:31 AM
Religious people are the saddest people I know. Also the ones who seem to be angry at their god. But they have to reflect or otherwise they'd realise they're believing in nonsense.

-Nam
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Post by: Mrjason on July 23, 2013, 07:37:59 AM
The LW responds via email:
I pray they will understand the Real God is not their enemy.

Despite another believer praying for the folks as WWGHA there are still no converts. I wonder when will these prayers reach critical mass and we'll all get saved?
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Post by: neopagan on July 23, 2013, 08:30:28 AM
^^^^I will help the LW out... back in my theistic days, my nonsensical answer would have been:

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Peter%203%3A9

It's the usual get out of jail free card for d'lawd.   The omnimax of the universe is being held up by his creation's stubbornness.  So... at some point when babies stop being born, all kids are old enough to learn scripture - he will get around to fulfilling his promises.  The only other option is - he doesn't get what he is wishing for...
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Post by: Mrjason on July 23, 2013, 08:59:58 AM
^^^
Thats good, that means there's no time frame on repentance either. So, why bother praying for us if all will fall into place anyway :D
Title: Re: GOD DOESN't HEAL AMPUTEES BECAUSE.... [#2752]
Post by: nogodsforme on July 23, 2013, 04:17:15 PM
I have yet to get a real answer to the question of why anyone would pray to a god who planned out everything long before we were born anyway. God is not going to change his enormously holy mind just because some pipsqueak asks him to, or he would be jerking reality around willy-nilly every few seconds.

Two different people ask for the opposite stuff to happen and what, god makes it rain on the farmer's crops and not rain on the wedding at the b and b next door, the same weekend? Or does reality branch off into multiple lines where it rains on the wedding but the crops are saved in one, and the wedding is a sunny success, but the crops die in the another?

Anything god wants to happen is already happening. How could it be any different? We are already going to believe, or not. We are already going to be saved, or not. So much for free will. The Hindus have it right. It is all karma based--except, for some strange reason, they pray, too. :P :?