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Title: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on April 26, 2013, 04:47:00 PM
I know you take this lightly because you've convinced yourself that there is no God or no such thing as hell. Your mind has become a slave to demonic lies and you have convinced yourself that they are true. The reality of the situation is that there is a narrow way to Heaven and few find it and a broad way to hell and many go in it. You have no idea what your in for if you reject the gospel and do not repent. You do not know it's the ONLY way and without Christ in your life as your Lord and Savior and you hearing His voice daily obeying him... without repenting of you sins and turning to God's grace you will perish and nothing could prepare you for separation from God because while you are still yet alive you still experience rain, and life, and food, and many blessings from God. Anything good in your life comes from God and if you reject God then when you die you will be separated and there will be no more water no more life, nor more good things only the painful fire of God withdrawing his presence.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: hickdive on April 26, 2013, 04:52:53 PM
See when you created your account, did you notice that you agreed to abide by the rules of this forum?

Did you notice the rule about not preaching?

Evidently not, but leaving aside your lack of morality, got any evidence for any of your claims?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Astreja on April 26, 2013, 04:53:55 PM
I hereby commit the Unforgivable Sin and permanently forfeit all hope of your silly-ass "salvation."

I see no functional difference between the works of the "Holy Spirit" and the works of "Satan."  Both are sock puppets for an evil god.  Both are used to subvert human free will by tinkering with their minds, either for good or for ill, according to the will of the infinitely evil puppet master, the god of the Bible.

Happy now, Andrew?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: naemhni on April 26, 2013, 05:08:09 PM
Hi, Andrew, welcome to the forums.

WWGHA has some rules about posting.  You can find those rules here:
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,21732.0.html

Please take a few minutes to read them over and ensure you're familiar with them.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on April 26, 2013, 05:18:31 PM
See when you created your account, did you notice that you agreed to abide by the rules of this forum?

Did you notice the rule about not preaching?

Evidently not, but leaving aside your lack of morality, got any evidence for any of your claims?

Evidence? Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkFRPt4xIVY something to look at a girl went to heaven and hell after dying for 23 hours. You say that God does not heal amputee's but have you ever seen an eyeball growing into its socket, legs growing out, or bones being manufactured. I can say that I have evidence because i have been a witness to miracles 10 or more a day for months at a time in a certain point of my life. I have all the evidence I need. Its up to you to have repent and have faith and then let God prove himself to you.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on April 26, 2013, 05:24:03 PM
I hereby commit the Unforgivable Sin and permanently forfeit all hope of your silly-ass "salvation."

I see no functional difference between the works of the "Holy Spirit" and the works of "Satan."  Both are sock puppets for an evil god.  Both are used to subvert human free will by tinkering with their minds, either for good or for ill, according to the will of the infinitely evil puppet master, the god of the Bible.

Happy now, Andrew?

No I am not happy. What do you want a cry for attention. You got my attention but now i see that you are evil.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: nogodsforme on April 26, 2013, 05:25:06 PM
We welcome input from theists like yourself, Andrew. However, if you just plan on posting long walls of religious text without responding to our comments and questions, nobody will benefit. And you will get teased unmercifully by our snappy atheist repartee.

You are absolutely right about this: you will have difficulty convincing us that your god or hell are real, and therefore we have no intentions of repenting for imaginary sins. So you can save your bandwidth on those topics.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on April 26, 2013, 05:29:52 PM
We welcome input from theists like yourself, Andrew. However, if you just plan on posting long walls of religious text without responding to our comments and questions, nobody will benefit. And you will get teased unmercifully by our snappy atheist repartee.

You are absolutely right about this: you will have difficulty convincing us that your god or hell are real, and therefore we have no intentions of repenting for imaginary sins. So you can save your bandwidth on those topics.

Your sins are very real and you will see that one day one way or another
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Nick on April 26, 2013, 05:50:45 PM
Man, Andrew.  I'm really glad you came here and posted.  I want to repent now.  I like water and all that other stuff.  My demonic mind must be cleared...but I'd like to wait until after the weekend.  Going to have one last kiss ass fling before a life of kissing Jesus ass.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: nogodsforme on April 26, 2013, 05:52:24 PM
Andrew, do you believe that you have sinned against Allah or any of the many Hindu gods? I am sure that you have. But strangely, you are not concerned about going to Hindu hell, or Muslim hell.

I wonder why not?

We are not concerned about your hell for the same reasons you are not afraid of Muslim or Hindu hell.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: hickdive on April 26, 2013, 05:53:26 PM
Evidence is not the same as "making shit up and posting it on youtube".

Would it be possible for you to contact the court service in your area and have yourself removed from the pool of potential jurors until you understand the difference?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: shnozzola on April 26, 2013, 06:07:30 PM
I can say that I have evidence because i have been a witness to miracles 10 or more a day for months at a time in a certain point of my life.

This is good news, Andrew, and welcome to the forum.  Please send pictures and videos.  Which do you think was the best miracle you witnessed?  Can you cure cancer? 
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Ambassador Pony on April 26, 2013, 06:24:18 PM
Andrew, do you have a dog, cat or other family pet at home? Have your parents ever adopted or purchased one for the family?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Quesi on April 26, 2013, 07:51:43 PM

Your sins are very real and you will see that one day one way or another

I wonder what they are....

Can you tell us more about our sins?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: The Gay Impositor on April 26, 2013, 08:22:20 PM
Threats of torture and promise of riches actually do make good sales pitches, but I want the goods before I'm dead or forget it.  ;)
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: kin hell on April 26, 2013, 08:42:41 PM
I know you take this lightly because you've convinced yourself that there is no God
Let's just pretend there is a god, who created everything

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or no such thing as hell.
So your god created hell. .......lovely

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Your mind has become a slave to demonic lies and you have convinced yourself that they are true.
So your god created demons. .......lovely

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The reality of the situation is that there is a narrow way to Heaven and few find it and a broad way to hell and many go in it.
So your god creates people to fail. Your god creates a narrow way and a broad way, and then acts upset that people are herded down the broad way.


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You have no idea what your in for if you reject the gospel and do not repent.
So your god created revenge.  .....Lovely

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You do not know it's the ONLY way and without Christ in your life as your Lord and Savior and you hearing His voice daily obeying him... without repenting of you sins and turning to God's grace you will perish and nothing could prepare you for separation from God because while you are still yet alive you still experience rain, and life, and food, and many blessings from God. Anything good in your life comes from God and if you reject God then when you die you will be separated and there will be no more water no more life, nor more good things only the painful fire of God withdrawing his presence.
So your god, being all powerful, all knowing, omniscient, omnipotent and >snark< all loving, created me knowing full well that I will fail his pathetic small dick, personality cult, ego gratification test, and so, by your god's very act of creating me, I'm to be automatically assigned to the "to be punished forever" category.  .....Lovely


Your jealous, angry and imaginary god displays not one attribute worthy of worship, and you are just an indoctrinated sheep.
The lord is your shepherd, not mine.
And if you cannot abide by the rules of this forum, and stop preaching  ......fuck off.




Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: jaimehlers on April 26, 2013, 09:33:18 PM
I know you take this lightly because you've convinced yourself that there is no God or no such thing as hell.
Actually, no.  Theists like yourself who make claims such as this and then fail to support them with anything but subjective opinions do the convincing.

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Your mind has become a slave to demonic lies and you have convinced yourself that they are true.
Funny thing, but there's no more evidence for these 'demons' of yours than there is for your god.

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The reality of the situation is that there is a narrow way to Heaven and few find it and a broad way to hell and many go in it.
Honestly, how do you know?  Because the Bible tells you so?  Sorry, but the Bible is not convincing evidence either, especially when you consider just how many different versions there are of it.

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You have no idea what your in for if you reject the gospel and do not repent.
Lemme guess, "eternal damnation"?  Dante's Inferno?  Nothing more than the usual scare tactics here.

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You do not know it's the ONLY way and without Christ in your life as your Lord and Savior and you hearing His voice daily obeying him... without repenting of you sins and turning to God's grace you will perish
You know, if your god actually exists, it would not be difficult for him to prove it.  Medieval kings could prove their existence to their subjects, for example.  Why can't your god even do that much?

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and nothing could prepare you for separation from God
Even though atheists are already 'separated' from your god anyway?

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because while you are still yet alive you still experience rain, and life, and food, and many blessings from God. Anything good in your life comes from God
Oh, I see, the usual theist trick of giving their god credit for everything in the universe.

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and if you reject God then when you die you will be separated and there will be no more water no more life, nor more good things only the painful fire of God withdrawing his presence.
Oddly enough, I don't think people will care about water and food after death, seeing as that ends the need for either.  Seems like you haven't really thought this through yet.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on April 26, 2013, 09:45:01 PM
I know you take this lightly because you've convinced yourself that there is no God
Let's just pretend there is a god, who created everything

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or no such thing as hell.
So your god created hell. .......lovely

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Your mind has become a slave to demonic lies and you have convinced yourself that they are true.
So your god created demons. .......lovely

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The reality of the situation is that there is a narrow way to Heaven and few find it and a broad way to hell and many go in it.
So your god creates people to fail. Your god creates a narrow way and a broad way, and then acts upset that people are herded down the broad way.


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You have no idea what your in for if you reject the gospel and do not repent.
So your god created revenge.  .....Lovely

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You do not know it's the ONLY way and without Christ in your life as your Lord and Savior and you hearing His voice daily obeying him... without repenting of you sins and turning to God's grace you will perish and nothing could prepare you for separation from God because while you are still yet alive you still experience rain, and life, and food, and many blessings from God. Anything good in your life comes from God and if you reject God then when you die you will be separated and there will be no more water no more life, nor more good things only the painful fire of God withdrawing his presence.
So your god, being all powerful, all knowing, omniscient, omnipotent and >snark< all loving, created me knowing full well that I will fail his pathetic small dick, personality cult, ego gratification test, and so, by your god's very act of creating me, I'm to be automatically assigned to the "to be punished forever" category.  .....Lovely


Your jealous, angry and imaginary god displays not one attribute worthy of worship, and you are just an indoctrinated sheep.
The lord is your shepherd, not mine.
And if you cannot abide by the rules of this forum, and stop preaching  ......fuck off.
Your hating a perfect God and failing him is your choice not mine
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Ambassador Pony on April 26, 2013, 09:55:03 PM
Andrew,

I am speaking to you as a forum moderator. You agreed to follow the rules of this forum when you signed up. By breaking the rules, you are not only being rude, but it means you lied when you signed up. Ask a parent or other adult if lying is an appropriate thing for you to do. An adult can also tell you that our behaviour has consequences for ourselves and others. When we behave in a way that makes others suffer, that's often called selfish.

You need to keep your promise to follow the rules, stop acting in a way that hurts others, or leave. An apology is appropriate here, but if you are not sure, ask a parent or adult to check.   
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on April 26, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
your replies are showing that you have jaded hearts that won't receive the simplicity of the gospel. I didn't read that you couldn't preach which is stupid because your whole site is devoted to preaching what satan has to say. And since you won't hear what I have to say nor wan't anyone to preach to you I hereby dust my feet and will not return back to this site ever again. Goodbye.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: kin hell on April 26, 2013, 10:24:48 PM
I hereby dust my feet and will not return back to this site ever again. Goodbye.

dust your feet?

is that by standing on your head and using that featherbrain?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Ambassador Pony on April 26, 2013, 10:33:51 PM
your replies are showing that you have jaded hearts that won't receive the simplicity of the gospel. I didn't read that you couldn't preach which is stupid because your whole site is devoted to preaching what satan has to say. And since you won't hear what I have to say nor wan't anyone to preach to you I hereby dust my feet and will not return back to this site ever again. Goodbye.

I'm glad I didn't have to call your parents.

They would be disappointed you showed such poor character, young man.
 
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Astreja on April 26, 2013, 11:48:31 PM
No I am not happy. What do you want a cry for attention. You got my attention but now i see that you are evil.

Be that as it may, Andrew, I am in no danger of becoming as evil as your hissy-fit god.  If even one thinking, feeling being is condemned by your god to be tortured for eternity, your god bears 100% of the responsibility and is therefore infinitely evil.

And not only do you worship that vicious (and probably imaginary) bastard, but if you have ever said the Sinner's Prayer you have committed an act of cowardice by allowing someone else to die in your place, colluding in a human sacrifice.  That, sir, is the real mark of the beast.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Aaron123 on April 27, 2013, 12:28:56 AM
your replies are showing that you have jaded hearts that won't receive the simplicity of the gospel. I didn't read that you couldn't preach which is stupid because your whole site is devoted to preaching what satan has to say. And since you won't hear what I have to say nor wan't anyone to preach to you I hereby dust my feet and will not return back to this site ever again. Goodbye.

Huffing and puffing already?  Without the post count going into double digits?  Must be some kind of record.

Didn't Jesus say something about "judge not"?  Funny how christains seems to think that never applies to them...
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: ParkingPlaces on April 27, 2013, 12:58:24 AM
Where in the bible does it say "Thou shall be obnoxious"?

It must be in there somewhere. Why else would so many of them act like that.

I mean, if there is a god, he gave me way too many nice genes to be an obnoxious fundy. Whose fault is that?

Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Anfauglir on April 27, 2013, 03:20:51 AM
(I)  will not return back to this site ever again.

Ten to one this is a lie.  QFT.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: naemhni on April 27, 2013, 07:11:08 AM
You say you're not coming back, but I'm going to respond to this anyway...

your replies are showing that you have jaded hearts

Our hearts are just fine.

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that won't receive the simplicity of the gospel.

If the gospel is so simple, why are there so many different branches of Christianity, all telling each other that they've got it wrong?  You don't see this with things like physics or chemistry.

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I didn't read that you couldn't preach

Obviously.  That's why I pointed you to the rules.

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which is stupid because your whole site is devoted to preaching what satan has to say.

Rubbish.  Apart from the fact that Satan doesn't exist and therefore can't say anything, the regulars here don't preach, as you yourself have seen.  (Well, OK, we probably slip from time to time.  We're only human.)  When a thumper like you storms in here, we engage him on what he has to say.

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And since you won't hear what I have to say

The number of replies you've received shows that this is demonstrably false.

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nor wan't anyone to preach to you

This is absolutely correct.  Even if it weren't against the rules, no one here would want to hear any preaching.  Why would we?  For most of us, if we want to hear preaching, it's pretty easy to find.  Hell, it's actually rather difficult to avoid.

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I hereby dust my feet and will not return back to this site ever again. Goodbye.

Oh, dear.  Looks like it's time to call for the...

(http://cdn.mdjunction.com/components/com_joomlaboard/uploaded/images/Waaaambulance.jpg)
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: One Above All on April 27, 2013, 07:19:21 AM
I actually LOL'd at this. I wish the OP would stay just so he'd make me laugh some more.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Quesi on April 27, 2013, 07:40:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkFRPt4xIVY


Ok.  Stop the presses here.  I just finished listening to this entire video, and I have to say, that if this testimony is true (and I see no reason to doubt it) there is a lot that we can all learn from this young girl. 

I’m going to offer a brief synopsis of the most important points, and then provide my interpretation of this important testimony.

To make a long story short, the Lord God decided to make this girl dead for a while, in order to bring her on a fairly comprehensive tour of both heaven and hell.     The Lord God himself served as tour guide.  She found him to be very handsome.  According to her testimony, however, he was not a very happy God, as evidenced by the fact that he spent a whole lot of time crying during her visit.  But I’ll get to that later.  The whole purpose of this tour was to give this kid the message to go back to earth to beseech the living to do the stuff that is important to the Lord God. 

Apparently, there is a whole lot of misinformation here on earth about the stuff that the Lord God wants us to do.   This testimony was really jam-packed with info, but let me give you some of the highlights.

After a brief intro, the handsome Lord God took her against her will to hell, to witness the suffering going on down there.  And let me tell you, it is really bad.  Worse than anything you can imagine.  The demons are very very busy, creating individualized torture for the thousands of fallen human souls down there.  And these demons have DARTS with your name on them.  They also do things like set folks on fire, and then create something that looks like rain, and all the wretched souls run towards the rain, only to find that it is come chemical that makes the burning fire sting even more.  So it is psychological and physical torture.  Can you imagine?

The kid saw her great grandmother there, begging the Lord to forgive her.  But He just cried, and said it was too late.  Apparently, during her life, great grandma had some trouble with forgiveness.  So in spite of the fact that it made Him weep, the Lord just couldn’t forgive her once she was dead.

There were a lot of other folks in hell too.  Pope John Paul II was there.  When the kid asked why, pointing out that he offered masses and prayed to the Lord, God pulled down a magical screen, and showed the kid that he took a lot of money from his masses, and also that he fornicated with nuns.  I have to admit, I did not know this.

Michael Jackson was there too.  He, apparently, had made pacts with demons in exchange for fame. 

More importantly for this Ecuadorian girl’s Latin American audience, was the fact that Selena was there.  Now if you weren’t hanging out with young Latin Americans in 1995, when the young up and coming singer was murdered, you might not understand the significance of this.  But I’ve got to tell you, this woman was loved.  Almost worshipped.  The Lord God did not say explicitly what she had done to merit eternal damnation, but I’m guessing it had something to do with scanty clothes and suggestive lyrics.  Selena took the time to talk to our young protagonist, and tell her that Selena suffers EVEN MORE every time someone on earth listens to one of her songs, and Selena herself begged that no one ever listen to her music again. 

Now if you don’t want to cause poor dead Selena any additional pain in hell, don’t watch this video.  But it has gotten almost 9 million hits already, so if you want to take a little peek, I mean, you won’t be the only sinner out there.

http://youtu.be/LbzEgfCwzJU

The poor kid’s tour of hell continued, and she was dismayed to see a little 8 year old boy suffering there.  “But why Lord?” she beseeched.  The Lord explained that this kid played video games and watched Pokemon (who apparently are demon-inspired), and was subsequently disrespectful to his parents.  His parents didn’t use the rod.  Apparently the Lord  really wants parents to use the rod on disobedient kids.  And this kid has to suffer for all of eternity, since his parents didn’t hit him enough.  Who knew?  The Lord wept some more.  He spent a lot of time crying.

Upon completion of the hell-leg of the tour, the pair ascended into heaven, where you will be pleased to know that everyone is very youthful.  Like 15 year olds.  Who wouldn’t want to be 15 for all of eternity?

They ran into lots of the Lord’s favorite historical characters during this leg of the tour.  Even though they were all 15 year olds, she knew who they all were.  They ran into Solomon and Mary Magdalene and Sarah.  They also ran into Mary, the mother of God.  The Lord was very clear that Mary doesn’t know anything about stuff going on here on earth, and that those who worship her are wasting their time.  You have to worship Him, not her. 

Here are some more random things this kid learned on the heaven-leg of the tour:

•   The Lord will lovingly refer to you and his followers as His Servants in heaven
•   There angels in heaven engage in construction projects – there is manual labor in the afterlife
•   God wants us to pass out leaflets about Him
•   The Lord still has scars on his hands, and they won’t go away until everyone loves Him. 

Then the Lord said it was time to send her back to her family.  She protested, (which didn’t anger the Lord a bit!) and said that she wanted to stay with Him.  He said that she had to return to her family.  Having spent so much time in the afterlife, the kid had forgotten all about the existence of her family.  But the Lord showed her her body on earth, and he family members, and then she remembered. 

He took her to a crystalline river of living water, and told her to submerge herself, and she was even happier than she had been before.  After a bit of a dispute about the fact that He wanted her to return to earth and she didn’t want to go, He showed her babies disappearing from the wombs of women, and screaming and pre-rapture stuff that I admit I really didn’t understand, with people running around and getting into accidents.   The Lord started crying again, and explained that all of these poor souls were going to be left behind when He returns to earth, unless this kid does a really good job of promoting her story on youtube. 

At the end of the video, we see the young girl has grown into a young woman, and is now filling up stadiums telling people her story.  The Lord still talks to her, and asks her to tell folks that He is coming RIGHT AWAY for His holy people.  She has, it appears, been influenced by all of the crying that the Lord did in heaven, and has trouble telling His story without weeping herself.   

I think maybe we should take this testimony seriously.  Hell looks really bad, and even though some of us will be servants and manual laborers in the celestial afterlife, it sure beats the alternative. 

And what possible motive could this girl have to make this up?  It is too specific to be a fantasy or illness induced illusion.  And she just seems really credible.

edited for typos
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: magicmiles on April 27, 2013, 07:52:23 AM
Sounds like you enoyed it then?

Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Tero on April 27, 2013, 07:59:56 AM
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You do not know it's the ONLY way and without Christ in your life as your Lord and Savior and you hearing His voice daily obeying him... without repenting...
This is uncanny, how did YOU know? You must be psychic.   :laugh: I truly did not know.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Quesi on April 27, 2013, 08:04:16 AM
Sounds like you enoyed it then?

I actually found it really fascinating.  What is your take on this MM?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: nogodsforme on April 27, 2013, 01:03:19 PM
I once tutored an older black man who told me about a "vision" he had that was almost exactly like this, just without the Selena bit because he had never heard of her. Michael Jackson was in it, because sinful famous celebrity. And there were also aliens involved who were battling for his mind.

I decided that the man was what we call in academia "crazy as eff you see kay" and made sure that I was never alone with him anymore.

I am sure he is in heaven with the angels now. :angel:
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Nick on April 27, 2013, 01:21:03 PM
Damn...and I was ready to repent after this weekend.  Now what am I suppose to do? >:(
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Nick on April 27, 2013, 03:17:06 PM
Did Andrew really think he could come here, make 9 posts, and convince an atheists board to repent and bow down to Jesus?  That would be a miracle.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: magicmiles on April 27, 2013, 04:41:31 PM
Sounds like you enoyed it then?

I actually found it really fascinating.  What is your take on this MM?

I don't really have a take on it. I certainly don't have an hour to watch it.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Nam on April 28, 2013, 02:52:28 AM
I know you take this lightly because you've convinced yourself that there is no God or no such thing as hell.

Actually, the Bible itself convinced me it was full of shit. i had nothing to do with it.

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Your mind has become a slave to demonic lies and you have convinced yourself that they are true.

And this is one of those things it convinced me of: nonsense.

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The reality of the situation is that there is a narrow way to Heaven and few find it and a broad way to hell and many go in it.

You seem to be full of nonsense, yourself.

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You have no idea what your

"your" should be "you're".

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...in for if you reject the gospel and do not repent.

Nothing?

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You do not know it's the ONLY way and without Christ in your life as your Lord and Savior and you hearing His voice daily obeying him... without repenting of you sins and turning to God's grace you will perish and nothing could prepare you for separation from God

Already there, my main man. Thank Namgod. Hallelujah, praise pickled eggs!

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...because while you are still yet alive you still experience rain, and life, and food, and many blessings from God.

Say what? Homeboy you smoking the pipe too much.

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Anything good in your life comes from God

Wrong.

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...and if you reject God then when you die you will be separated and there will be no more water no more life, nor more good things only the painful fire of God withdrawing his presence.

Just say no to drugs, man...and apparently religion. It does nothing but make you say some crazy shit.

-Nam
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Nam on April 28, 2013, 03:06:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkFRPt4xIVY


Ok.  Stop the presses here.  I just finished listening to this entire video, and I have to say, that if this testimony is true (and I see no reason to doubt it) there is a lot that we can all learn from this young girl. 

I’m going to offer a brief synopsis of the most important points, and then provide my interpretation of this important testimony.

To make a long story short, the Lord God decided to make this girl dead for a while, in order to bring her on a fairly comprehensive tour of both heaven and hell.     The Lord God himself served as tour guide.  She found him to be very handsome.  According to her testimony, however, he was not a very happy God, as evidenced by the fact that he spent a whole lot of time crying during her visit.  But I’ll get to that later.  The whole purpose of this tour was to give this kid the message to go back to earth to beseech the living to do the stuff that is important to the Lord God. 

Apparently, there is a whole lot of misinformation here on earth about the stuff that the Lord God wants us to do.   This testimony was really jam-packed with info, but let me give you some of the highlights.

After a brief intro, the handsome Lord God took her against her will to hell, to witness the suffering going on down there.  And let me tell you, it is really bad.  Worse than anything you can imagine.  The demons are very very busy, creating individualized torture for the thousands of fallen human souls down there.  And these demons have DARTS with your name on them.  They also do things like set folks on fire, and then create something that looks like rain, and all the wretched souls run towards the rain, only to find that it is come chemical that makes the burning fire sting even more.  So it is psychological and physical torture.  Can you imagine?

The kid saw her great grandmother there, begging the Lord to forgive her.  But He just cried, and said it was too late.  Apparently, during her life, great grandma had some trouble with forgiveness.  So in spite of the fact that it made Him weep, the Lord just couldn’t forgive her once she was dead.

There were a lot of other folks in hell too.  Pope John Paul II was there.  When the kid asked why, pointing out that he offered masses and prayed to the Lord, God pulled down a magical screen, and showed the kid that he took a lot of money from his masses, and also that he fornicated with nuns.  I have to admit, I did not know this.

Michael Jackson was there too.  He, apparently, had made pacts with demons in exchange for fame. 

More importantly for this Ecuadorian girl’s Latin American audience, was the fact that Selena was there.  Now if you weren’t hanging out with young Latin Americans in 1995, when the young up and coming singer was murdered, you might not understand the significance of this.  But I’ve got to tell you, this woman was loved.  Almost worshipped.  The Lord God did not say explicitly what she had done to merit eternal damnation, but I’m guessing it had something to do with scanty clothes and suggestive lyrics.  Selena took the time to talk to our young protagonist, and tell her that Selena suffers EVEN MORE every time someone on earth listens to one of her songs, and Selena herself begged that no one ever listen to her music again. 

Now if you don’t want to cause poor dead Selena any additional pain in hell, don’t watch this video.  But it has gotten almost 9 million hits already, so if you want to take a little peek, I mean, you won’t be the only sinner out there.

http://youtu.be/LbzEgfCwzJU

The poor kid’s tour of hell continued, and she was dismayed to see a little 8 year old boy suffering there.  “But why Lord?” she beseeched.  The Lord explained that this kid played video games and watched Pokemon (who apparently are demon-inspired), and was subsequently disrespectful to his parents.  His parents didn’t use the rod.  Apparently the Lord  really wants parents to use the rod on disobedient kids.  And this kid has to suffer for all of eternity, since his parents didn’t hit him enough.  Who knew?  The Lord wept some more.  He spent a lot of time crying.

Upon completion of the hell-leg of the tour, the pair ascended into heaven, where you will be pleased to know that everyone is very youthful.  Like 15 year olds.  Who wouldn’t want to be 15 for all of eternity?

They ran into lots of the Lord’s favorite historical characters during this leg of the tour.  Even though they were all 15 year olds, she knew who they all were.  They ran into Solomon and Mary Magdalene and Sarah.  They also ran into Mary, the mother of God.  The Lord was very clear that Mary doesn’t know anything about stuff going on here on earth, and that those who worship her are wasting their time.  You have to worship Him, not her. 

Here are some more random things this kid learned on the heaven-leg of the tour:

•   The Lord will lovingly refer to you and his followers as His Servants in heaven
•   There angels in heaven engage in construction projects – there is manual labor in the afterlife
•   God wants us to pass out leaflets about Him
•   The Lord still has scars on his hands, and they won’t go away until everyone loves Him. 

Then the Lord said it was time to send her back to her family.  She protested, (which didn’t anger the Lord a bit!) and said that she wanted to stay with Him.  He said that she had to return to her family.  Having spent so much time in the afterlife, the kid had forgotten all about the existence of her family.  But the Lord showed her her body on earth, and he family members, and then she remembered. 

He took her to a crystalline river of living water, and told her to submerge herself, and she was even happier than she had been before.  After a bit of a dispute about the fact that He wanted her to return to earth and she didn’t want to go, He showed her babies disappearing from the wombs of women, and screaming and pre-rapture stuff that I admit I really didn’t understand, with people running around and getting into accidents.   The Lord started crying again, and explained that all of these poor souls were going to be left behind when He returns to earth, unless this kid does a really good job of promoting her story on youtube. 

At the end of the video, we see the young girl has grown into a young woman, and is now filling up stadiums telling people her story.  The Lord still talks to her, and asks her to tell folks that He is coming RIGHT AWAY for His holy people.  She has, it appears, been influenced by all of the crying that the Lord did in heaven, and has trouble telling His story without weeping herself.   

I think maybe we should take this testimony seriously.  Hell looks really bad, and even though some of us will be servants and manual laborers in the celestial afterlife, it sure beats the alternative. 

And what possible motive could this girl have to make this up?  It is too specific to be a fantasy or illness induced illusion.  And she just seems really credible.

edited for typos

You do realize that the words spoken did not match her lip movements AT ALL, right? For all anyone knows it's someone just saying anything and not what the girl was actually saying.

But I do love how Christians always use, "I died and saw God" or some variant.


-Nam
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Anfauglir on April 29, 2013, 03:42:29 AM
(I)  will not return back to this site ever again.

Ten to one this is a lie.  QFT.

It WAS a lie.  Andrew was online on Sunday 28th, at 8:30:41 AM.   A whole day AFTER he said he "will not return back to this site ever again" (my emphasis).

So Andrew - when you read this (as I'm sure you will), will you tell us why you lied?  Doesn't your god have a commandment about that?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: screwtape on April 29, 2013, 09:56:51 AM
What I find interesting is the thread title.  Repent or perish.  Or, "believe what I believe or die".  An explicit threat.  It makes me wonder how xians don't even realize they use threats to try to coerce people to go along with their baloney.  That we do not have a way to control these kinds of people makes me think there is no hope for our species.  The sooner we are extinct, the sooner god dies too. 
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Garja on April 29, 2013, 10:31:51 AM
Did Andrew really think he could come here, make 9 posts, and convince an atheists board to repent and bow down to Jesus?  That would be a miracle.

He thought "maybe they dont know they will get eternal torture for (choosing? to) not believe in an illogical god concept".  I'll tell them - that will win 'em over!


Isn't amazing how
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"One of the near-death experience truths is that each person integrates their near-death experience into their own pre-existing belief system." - Jody Long, NDERF.org
http://near-death.com/hindu.html
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: nogodsforme on April 29, 2013, 03:51:39 PM
I looked through the near death research website looking for, well, research. Studies, protocols, anything like science. Evidently, they don't really do any research. But they have collected hundreds of self-reported "experiences" from "experiencers" that they use as their "research". It is basically a database of stories.

Since they have no screening criteria for submitting "experiences", anyone can fill out their on-line questionnaire. No way of knowing if these accounts are all from people who actually had the experience, fictional stories from one creative person using different email addresses, or made up by a handful of international college student jokers using different computers and having a good laugh.

I was curious to see if anyone saw religious figures from a different religion or one they had never heard of. Like, do Christians ever see Ganesha? Do Muslims ever see Shango? The part that actually made me sad and angry was the nature of the questions asked. Any court would toss out most of them as "leading the witness", to say the least.

Questions like: Did you see an unearthly light? Did you leave your body? Did you pass through a tunnel? Did you have a feeling of wonder and joy? Did you see Hell? Did you encounter a mystical being? Did you see deceased spirits? Did you see Jesus, Muhammed or Buddha (or Mr. Spock, Mr. Peanut, Thor or Cthtulu &))? Yes or No

How many people are going to log into this site to check no, no, no, I am not special, I just died, saw nothing and then came back. From my brief preusal of the site, only a handful of people saw nothing, experienced "a void", had negative feelings, or saw only hell but not heaven. 

And what the hell is a "deceased spirit", when it's at home? How would I distinguish it from a live spirit or an undead spirit? What is a spirit?

If they really wanted to do research, they would have to get a random survey of all kinds of people to find out how many had something they thought was an NDE, and be careful not to lead them through what such an experience should include.[1] There did not seem to be a control group of any kind to see how many people get very sick and don't have any NDE's.

Instead, they trawl through people who already believe they had NDE's and collect their "experiences". If they really think this is research, it makes me sad. If they know they are not really doing anything but promoting what may be a urban myth, it makes me angry.
 1. Since the NDE lore is so much part of popular culture now, it may be as impossible to get objective accounts, just as it would be hard to find out who has really been abducted by aliens.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Garja on April 29, 2013, 10:33:17 PM
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I was curious to see if anyone saw religious figures from a different religion or one they had never heard of. Like, do Christians ever see Ganesha? Do Muslims ever see Shango? The part that actually made me sad and angry was the nature of the questions asked. Any court would toss out most of them as "leading the witness", to say the least.

This was the kind of info I started looking for, but lost interest rather quickly.  Ive always thought NDE's were rather lame, even when I was a Christian I didn't give them a hell of a lot of credence. But I will say if there was a life-long Hasidic Jew, or devout Muslim had a NDE and was like "Jesus was there, he told me what I was doing was wrong and needed to do x,y,z" THEN maybe.... maybe, you could get a little bit of value from something like that.... otherwise I just call bullshit.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Hatter23 on April 29, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
I know you take this lightly because you've convinced yourself that there is no God or no such thing as hell. Your mind has become a slave to demonic lies and you have convinced yourself that they are true. The reality of the situation is that there is a narrow way to Heaven and few find it and a broad way to hell and many go in it. You have no idea what your in for if you reject the gospel and do not repent. You do not know it's the ONLY way and without Christ in your life as your Lord and Savior and you hearing His voice daily obeying him... without repenting of you sins and turning to God's grace you will perish and nothing could prepare you for separation from God because while you are still yet alive you still experience rain, and life, and food, and many blessings from God. Anything good in your life comes from God and if you reject God then when you die you will be separated and there will be no more water no more life, nor more good things only the painful fire of God withdrawing his presence.

I can only hope you come back to read this but:

Excuse me Mr Moron, allow yourself to use that nearly mint in package grey matter in your thick skull for once and consider

WE'VE ALL HEARD THESE THREATS THOUSANDS OF TIMES BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And they have all the weight of someone saying "The Bogeyman's gonna get ya" It might work on people with the mental capacity of a six year old like yourself but not on people who actually give a shit about what is real and what isn't
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Nam on April 30, 2013, 12:46:21 AM
I don't think it work on a six year old, maybe a three year old.

;)

-Nam
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Fiji on April 30, 2013, 01:20:04 AM
But I will say if there was a life-long Hasidic Jew, or devout Muslim had a NDE and was like "Jesus was there, he told me what I was doing was wrong and needed to do x,y,z" THEN maybe.... maybe, you could get a little bit of value from something like that.... otherwise I just call bullshit.

Even a Muslim seeing Jesus wouldn't prove anything ... Jesus is a "god-seeker"/prophet in Islam.
Now, if the Muslim reports that Jesus greeted him saying "I AM the son of god" ... that would indeed be something, not a lot, but something.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: nogodsforme on April 30, 2013, 10:35:54 AM
^^^^Yeah.

It would have to be something like Xenu appearing at the same time to a devout Muslim in Iran, a devout Hindu, a conservative Jew in Israel, and explaining in detail some Scientology ritual.

Now that would be scary. And worthy of further investigation. These self-reported stories? Not so much.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on May 01, 2013, 03:25:50 AM
What I find interesting is the thread title.  Repent or perish.  Or, "believe what I believe or die".  An explicit threat.  It makes me wonder how xians don't even realize they use threats to try to coerce people to go along with their baloney.  That we do not have a way to control these kinds of people makes me think there is no hope for our species.  The sooner we are extinct, the sooner god dies too.

That is what I said and was planning on however, God told me to come back on the site 2 times since then. That would not be called lying but obedience to God. Maybe God still want's to have mercy on you because there are still many more things i'd like to share.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on May 01, 2013, 03:28:10 AM
(I)  will not return back to this site ever again.

Ten to one this is a lie.  QFT.

It WAS a lie.  Andrew was online on Sunday 28th, at 8:30:41 AM.   A whole day AFTER he said he "will not return back to this site ever again" (my emphasis).

That is what I said and was planning on however, God told me to come back on the site 2 times since then. That would not be called lying but obedience to God. Maybe God still want's to have mercy on you because there are still many more things i'd like to share.

So Andrew - when you read this (as I'm sure you will), will you tell us why you lied?  Doesn't your god have a commandment about that?

It would be called lying if i wasn't obedient to God.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Quesi on May 01, 2013, 04:54:15 AM
Nice to see you back, Andrew.  I'm interested in your feedback.  Do you think that my synopsis of your video was accurate? 
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Nick on May 01, 2013, 06:46:27 AM
What I find interesting is the thread title.  Repent or perish.  Or, "believe what I believe or die".  An explicit threat.  It makes me wonder how xians don't even realize they use threats to try to coerce people to go along with their baloney.  That we do not have a way to control these kinds of people makes me think there is no hope for our species.  The sooner we are extinct, the sooner god dies too.

That is what I said and was planning on however, God told me to come back on the site 2 times since then. That would not be called lying but obedience to God. Maybe God still want's to have mercy on you because there are still many more things i'd like to share.
So how does God communicate with you?  Voice?  feeling? Facebook?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Aaron123 on May 01, 2013, 07:18:45 AM
That is what I said and was planning on however, God told me to come back on the site 2 times since then. That would not be called lying but obedience to God. Maybe God still want's to have mercy on you because there are still many more things i'd like to share.

So... god talked to you?  Why doesn't he cut out the middleman and just talk to us directly?  Right now, what you have is no different from someone claiming that god talks to him.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: screwtape on May 01, 2013, 07:51:55 AM
God told me to come back on the site 2 times since then.

A lot of people claim god speaks to them.  Some of these people are clearly crazy, and a lot of the non-crazy ones profess messages that contradict each other.  So many of them are just wrong. 

How do we tell the the prophets from the lunatics and the simply mistaken?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Astreja on May 01, 2013, 10:16:32 AM
Andrew, would you believe Me if I said that I have a talking cat who writes book reviews (http://rjbookblog.blogspot.com), or that My guardian dragon Glori (http://glorithekitchendragon.blogspot.com) curates pastry recipes on his blog?

Because that's how you sound to us.  Seriously.

Have you ever experienced a "healing" outside your church, in an environment and scenario not controlled and orchestrated by your pastor?  If not, I suspect that no actually healing took place and that you were simply misled by a sleight-of-hand artist (and various people with fake illnesses) who exploited your faith and pocketed your money for personal gain.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: jaimehlers on May 01, 2013, 10:43:49 AM
That is what I said and was planning on however, God told me to come back on the site 2 times since then. That would not be called lying but obedience to God. Maybe God still want's to have mercy on you because there are still many more things i'd like to share.
Whatever you want to call it, I suppose.  Personally, it seems more like you had a change of heart and are justifying it with "God said".
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Ambassador Pony on May 01, 2013, 03:10:00 PM
That is what I said and was planning on however, God told me to come back on the site 2 times since then. That would not be called lying but obedience to God. Maybe God still want's to have mercy on you because there are still many more things i'd like to share.

OK. Now we are back to this:

Andrew,

I am speaking to you as a forum moderator. You agreed to follow the rules of this forum when you signed up. By breaking the rules, you are not only being rude, but it means you lied when you signed up. Ask a parent or other adult if lying is an appropriate thing for you to do. An adult can also tell you that our behaviour has consequences for ourselves and others. When we behave in a way that makes others suffer, that's often called selfish.

You need to keep your promise to follow the rules, stop acting in a way that hurts others, or leave. An apology is appropriate here, but if you are not sure, ask a parent or adult to check.   
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on May 01, 2013, 08:37:47 PM
Nice to see you back, Andrew.  I'm interested in your feedback.  Do you think that my synopsis of your video was accurate?

Yes i do.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: magicmiles on May 01, 2013, 08:46:15 PM
Andrew, perhaps for the record you could state your age. It can sometimes lend much needed perspective to ideas, experiences and opinions.

Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Nam on May 02, 2013, 12:48:17 AM
I'm guessing 14. Just a guess.

-Nam
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Anfauglir on May 02, 2013, 01:34:40 AM
.....You have no idea what your in for if you reject the gospel and do not repent. You do not know it's the ONLY way and without Christ in your life as your Lord and Savior and you hearing His voice daily obeying him.....

Andrew,

Unfortunately, I have a slight problem here.  You see, the day before you posted this, I had a long conversation with a Muslim friend who told me that Allah was the one true god, that Jesus was a prophet rather than the Son of God, and that in order to avoid eternal torment I must pray the five Salat and declare the Shahada.

He was very definite that this was the ONLY path to salvation.

But then you came along and told me that accepting Christ was the only path to salvation.

So now I'm confused.  How can I tell which one of you (if either) is telling the truth, and which one is feeding me a load of made-up nonsense that they gullibly accepted from their priests and family, a load of baseless and ridiculous assertions that I can ignore without the slightest consequence?

Short of tossing a coin, I'm hoping that perhaps you will be able to present some evidence for your assertion - evidence that can NOT be used by my Muslim friend to support HIS assertion.  So I'm looking forward to hearing the specific evidence you have that supports your - and ONLY your - chosen god.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Fiji on May 02, 2013, 02:59:16 AM
Well, the Muslim hell is described in far more detail and definitly seems worse than the Christian one, so, using Pascal's logic, you should bet on Islam.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Anfauglir on May 02, 2013, 05:34:10 AM
Well, the Muslim hell is described in far more detail and definitly seems worse than the Christian one, so, using Pascal's logic, you should bet on Islam.

Not just that, but Muslim heaven sounds better as well, so either way Islam is a better bet.

Also, if you get it wrong......Allah doesn't strike me as the forgiving type.  Bet Christian, and Allah will brook no excuses.  On the other hand, Christ is forgiving and loving and and all-round super guy, so I reckon there's a non-zero chance that if I go Muslim, there is still a chance he will let me into Christian heaven.

Yep - Islam makes more sense than Christianity any way you cut it.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Fiji on May 02, 2013, 05:56:18 AM
Well, the Muslim hell is described in far more detail and definitly seems worse than the Christian one, so, using Pascal's logic, you should bet on Islam.

Not just that, but Muslim heaven sounds better as well, so either way Islam is a better bet.

Weeeeeeell ... only if you're a dude ... or a lesbian as you'll get a chaste wife in heaven. But other than that ... Lounging around on soft cushions, being fed delicious fruit while hearing the wails of the poor sods who bet christian and are now being roasted alife over and over and over ... did I have a point?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Garja on May 02, 2013, 01:09:19 PM
^ yeah, Muslim heaven does sound kinds shitty for female virgins "oh great I have to spend eternity having sex with THIS douche bag!?!?"
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Tonus on May 02, 2013, 02:42:34 PM
Anything good in your life comes from God and if you reject God then when you die you will be separated and there will be no more water no more life, nor more good things only the painful fire of God withdrawing his presence.

If this is true, and if this pain is eternal, then your god owes it to me to reveal himself.  Not through you, or some video, or a rainy day.  He owes it to me to reveal himself to me, directly and unambiguously.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on May 02, 2013, 09:13:23 PM
Don't get me wrong I am just as deserving of hell as you guys. All I'm doing is taking something that I know 100 percent without a doubt and writing it down. Why reject a gift that's available to you. Salvation cannot be earned but given by accepting Christ. That's what I've done and testify that it's either that or no salvation.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Azdgari on May 02, 2013, 09:18:32 PM
Don't get me wrong I am just as deserving of hell as you guys.

Then out of respect for divine justice, you should be trying to go there.  It's where you feel you deserve to go, after all.  It's the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Brakeman on May 02, 2013, 09:26:36 PM
Azdgari has a point. It's not polite to take advantage of a gracious host. You should refuse the offer and take your truly deserved justice.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on May 02, 2013, 09:52:20 PM
Azdgari has a point. It's not polite to take advantage of a gracious host. You should refuse the offer and take your truly deserved justice.

NO but justice was this. The perfect Son of God crushed and crucified for the whole world. That's divine justice - a free gift of salvation for all who will accept Jesus
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Brakeman on May 02, 2013, 10:09:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/wJbTEmi.png)

How could you be blissfully happy in heaven when others are suffering in hell because they did not believe a story told by humans who by nature lie so much? Have you no compassion for people that would be dissuaded by the horrible acts of so many that claim to be christian? What do you say to someone that has seen the behavior of the Westboro church and say to themselves that christianity must be false because these christians are so bad!
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: jaimehlers on May 02, 2013, 10:16:01 PM
NO but justice was this. The perfect Son of God crushed and crucified for the whole world. That's divine justice - a free gift of salvation for all who will accept Jesus
So, is the villager who volunteers to be thrown into the volcano in order to appease the volcano so it won't erupt and destroy the entire village also just?  Or is it murder, based on a delusional belief that the volcano is aware of the villagers and can be swayed based on human appeasement?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: kcrady on May 02, 2013, 11:01:57 PM
I know you take this lightly because you've convinced yourself that there is no God or no such thing as hell. Your mind has become a slave to demonic lies and you have convinced yourself that they are true. The reality of the situation is that there is a narrow way to Heaven and few find it and a broad way to hell and many go in it.

Doesn't this bit seem a little odd to you?  Think about it.  I think you would agree with the premise that Jesus wants people to be "saved."  Isn't that why he's portrayed saying, "When I am lifted up, I will draw all men to me"?  That's the message of John 3:16 and the rest, is it not?  I think you would also agree with the premise that Satan wants people to be tortured forever in Hell.  That, presumably, is what all the mind-enslaving to "demonic lies," the temptation to "sin," etc., etc., and so forth is all about.  Right?

So.  If it is the case that only a few find the way to Heaven, while the many end up on the road to Hell, then are you not telling us that Satan wins?  Given that you believe Satan is able to accomplish an everlasting victory on such a scale, and both Jesus and Yahweh are utterly helpless to thwart him, doesn't this mean that you believe Satan to the the more powerful deity?   
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Azdgari on May 02, 2013, 11:16:30 PM
NO but justice was this. The perfect Son of God crushed and crucified for the whole world. That's divine justice - a free gift of salvation for all who will accept Jesus

That's not justice.  That's a gift.  Justice is people getting what they deserve.  You say you deserve hellfire.  So, if you care about justice, you should seek hellfire.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Astreja on May 02, 2013, 11:16:53 PM
Don't get me wrong I am just as deserving of hell as you guys.

You're actually correct about this, Andrew.

No one -- Not Me, not you, not any other being anywhere in the universe -- "deserves" to be tortured for eternity.  No exceptions.  And anyone who tells you otherwise is committing an act of psychological abuse against you.

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All I'm doing is taking something that I know believe 100 percent without a doubt...

FTFY.

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Why reject a gift that's available to you. Salvation cannot be earned but given by accepting Christ. That's what I've done and testify that it's either that or no salvation.

Then I choose "no salvation."  The supposed gift is utter depravity, a shit stain on your precious humanity.  It is an act of cowardice to worship a god that would torture people, and even worse to let "Jesus" die in your place.  Someday I hope that you come to understand this.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Fiji on May 03, 2013, 01:08:03 AM
How could you be blissfully happy in heaven when others are suffering in hell because they did not believe a story told by humans who by nature lie so much? Have you no compassion for people that would be dissuaded by the horrible acts of so many that claim to be christian? What do you say to someone that has seen the behavior of the Westboro church and say to themselves that christianity must be false because these christians are so bad!

Muhammed tried, atleast to explain this away. Those going to their chaste wives in heaven can hear the wails of the suffering in hell but they know that this is Allah's perfect justice and are happy for it.
There you go, quran 2 - bible 0.
Did you remember to perform the salah this morning, Andrew? Eternal burning in hell if you didn't.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Anfauglir on May 03, 2013, 03:16:55 AM
Don't get me wrong I am just as deserving of hell as you guys. All I'm doing is taking something that I know 100 percent without a doubt and writing it down. Why reject a gift that's available to you. Salvation cannot be earned but given by accepting Christ. That's what I've done and testify that it's either that or no salvation.

Andrew, I can only repeat my response to your last assertion.

.....I had a long conversation with a Muslim friend who told me that Allah was the one true god, that Jesus was a prophet rather than the Son of God, and that in order to avoid eternal torment I must pray the five Salat and declare the Shahada.

He was very definite that this was the ONLY path to salvation.

But then you came along and told me that accepting Christ was the only path to salvation.

So now I'm confused.  How can I tell which one of you (if either) is telling the truth.....?

Because at the moment, I'm stuck in an "Andrew says", "Islam says" situation, with no way of telling which (if either) claim is true.  And - although I expressed it humorously - the benefits of Islam seem to far outweigh the benefits of Christ, while the downsides of Islam are worse than the downsides of Christ.

So unless you can given me anything concrete to work with, if I HAVE to jump, I'm going to jump towards Mohammed.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Jag on May 03, 2013, 08:22:52 AM
That's divine justice - a free gift of salvation for all who will accept Jesus
Bold mine

Let's put aside the fact of my atheism for a moment. Please explain to me in plain English how this "accept Jesus" part works. I'm being completely serious. What does it mean to "accept Jesus"? What am I supposed to do to "accept Jesus"?

If someone hands something to me and I accept it, I know how that works - I've got the something in my hand - I've "accepted" it. That's clearly not what you are suggesting, so please clarify - what do you mean?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Tonus on May 03, 2013, 01:58:01 PM
Don't get me wrong I am just as deserving of hell as you guys.

But that's not really true, is it?  Perhaps you're a generally very good person, who gets along with others and donates of his wealth and time in charitable works.  On the other hand, there are people who spend their lives making others miserable and generally being quite foul and unkind.  Are you just as deserving of hell as that person?  Now, if you accept the salvation of Christ, you get a reward that is far beyond what you deserve, is that not correct?

So realistically, where do you fit in?  The god of justice is either going to give you a punishment that is unfathomably more severe than you deserve, or a reward that is incalculably more wonderful than you deserve.  Is there no in-between?

You see, if god offers us a choice between a spectacularly wonderful reward and just plain death (ie, non-existence forever) then I'm not so perturbed by his admittedly bizarre decision to hide himself from us.  Because then my lot in life would have been a pretty enjoyable existence followed by nothing, and that's not bad at all, IMO.

On the other hand, if the choice is between that unimaginably wonderful reward and an equally unimaginably terrible punishment, then his disappearing act is not befuddling-- it is unacceptable.  God cannot make that kind of offer/threat without plainly revealing himself and making the consequences of belief/unbelief perfectly clear.  He owes it to me to reveal himself.  None of this "ask/seek/knock" or "long and narrow road" garbage.  If he threatens to torment me forever then he'd damned well better show his face and reveal his plans.  Otherwise he is a sick and sadistic bastard who ALWAYS intended to watch people suffer forever.  You want to worship that?  You can have it.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: One Above All on May 03, 2013, 02:04:40 PM
I haven't repented, yet I'm still alive.
Awkward...
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: nogodsforme on May 03, 2013, 03:55:07 PM
Andrew, what did Jesus really do that the average man or woman walking down the street would not have also done?

Think about it. You can be tortured to death, and in return, everlasting salvation for every human being who has ever lived. I would volunteer for that. Wouldn't you? Most people would. So what makes Jesus so special?

I would accept torture and death for far less than salvation for everyone. I would accept it to end all disease or all starvation or all war. I'd take being tortured and hung on a cross if it was guranteed to stop all animal cruelty and all child abuse.

Hell, I'd certainly take crucifixion to save my own family members from ordinary death. Lots of people would do that.  And without knowing they'd be reborn in a few days and go straight to heaven. 

So, why is Jesus so special for his "sacrifice"? (Aside from the fact that it has not seemed to work-- 5 billion of the 7 billion people on earth have not been convinced to become Christians...)
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Andrew on May 03, 2013, 06:23:40 PM
Andrew, what did Jesus really do that the average man or woman walking down the street would not have also done?

Think about it. You can be tortured to death, and in return, everlasting salvation for every human being who has ever lived. I would volunteer for that. Wouldn't you? Most people would. So what makes Jesus so special?

I would accept torture and death for far less than salvation for everyone. I would accept it to end all disease or all starvation or all war. I'd take being tortured and hung on a cross if it was guranteed to stop all animal cruelty and all child abuse.

Hell, I'd certainly take crucifixion to save my own family members from ordinary death. Lots of people would do that.  And without knowing they'd be reborn in a few days and go straight to heaven. 

So, why is Jesus so special for his "sacrifice"? (Aside from the fact that it has not seemed to work-- 5 billion of the 7 billion people on earth have not been convinced to become Christians...)

What Jesus did is that not only was He God but he lived a perfect life. Every other person is evil. Jesus was the one sinless perfection so that makes his sacrifice special. Only perfection could die for imperfection to replace it.
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Nick on May 03, 2013, 06:55:32 PM
BS ...  or do I mean BM?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: jaimehlers on May 03, 2013, 06:56:22 PM
What Jesus did is that not only was He God but he lived a perfect life. Every other person is evil. Jesus was the one sinless perfection so that makes his sacrifice special. Only perfection could die for imperfection to replace it.
Sorry, Andrew, but you're just illustrating the basic problem with your belief system.  It gives your god the credit for everything, except the bad things, which are always someone else's fault; it says your god is totally blameless for evil, and in fact, gives him extra credit for coming up with a way to save humans from evil.

It's the kind of propaganda that dictatorial tyrants dream of.  Is it any wonder that the atheists and skeptics here are not interested in what you're hawking?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: jynnan tonnix on May 03, 2013, 08:09:41 PM
Andrew, what did Jesus really do that the average man or woman walking down the street would not have also done?

Think about it. You can be tortured to death, and in return, everlasting salvation for every human being who has ever lived. I would volunteer for that. Wouldn't you? Most people would. So what makes Jesus so special?

I would accept torture and death for far less than salvation for everyone. I would accept it to end all disease or all starvation or all war. I'd take being tortured and hung on a cross if it was guranteed to stop all animal cruelty and all child abuse.

Hell, I'd certainly take crucifixion to save my own family members from ordinary death. Lots of people would do that.  And without knowing they'd be reborn in a few days and go straight to heaven. 

So, why is Jesus so special for his "sacrifice"? (Aside from the fact that it has not seemed to work-- 5 billion of the 7 billion people on earth have not been convinced to become Christians...)

What Jesus did is that not only was He God but he lived a perfect life. Every other person is evil. Jesus was the one sinless perfection so that makes his sacrifice special. Only perfection could die for imperfection to replace it.

However, Jesus also presumably had inside knowledge that his sacrifice would, indeed, do what it was supposed to, and that after all was said and done, he would have endured  a weekend's worth of agony for the salvation of "all" (except for the 75% or so who fell through the cracks) of humanity, after which he would go on to sit at the right had of god for all eternity?

How is that more admirable than the assertations of those here who tell you they would suffer an equivalent amount if they believed they could rid the world of various scourges when their sacrifice would necessarily be less informed than anything Jesus had? And who had no absolute promise of recompense?
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Astreja on May 04, 2013, 12:48:52 AM
What Jesus did is that not only was He God but he lived a perfect life.

No, he most certainly did not "live a perfect life."  All you have to do is read the Gospels to see what a self-righteous, arrogant jerk he was.  His rap sheet from Jerusalem includes an act of verbal abuse (likening the foreign woman at the well to a dog); destruction of a fig tree; destruction of a village's herd of pigs; and Accessory to Grand Theft Ass and Colt.

Oh, and there was the time he dissed his ma, and the time he caused a riot in the temple.  He lied about where he was going on at least one occasion.

He was also a hypocrite -- He said that people who called others fools would be in danger of hellfire; yet he, himself called people fools.

Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Seppuku on May 04, 2013, 04:23:10 AM
I know you take this lightly because you've convinced yourself that there is no God or no such thing as hell. Your mind has become a slave to demonic lies and you have convinced yourself that they are true. The reality of the situation is that there is a narrow way to Heaven and few find it and a broad way to hell and many go in it. You have no idea what your in for if you reject the gospel and do not repent. You do not know it's the ONLY way and without Christ in your life as your Lord and Savior and you hearing His voice daily obeying him... without repenting of you sins and turning to God's grace you will perish and nothing could prepare you for separation from God because while you are still yet alive you still experience rain, and life, and food, and many blessings from God. Anything good in your life comes from God and if you reject God then when you die you will be separated and there will be no more water no more life, nor more good things only the painful fire of God withdrawing his presence.

You consider your God to be good, but he's the one who promises eternal torture for those who don't bow down and obey. God is only a saviour from himself, but he's managed to convince people otherwise in the bible. Let's say God is real, why should I bow down to him? Because he threatens me with pain and suffering? If he wants my love and respect, fear isn't the way to get it, I may bow down to save my own skin, but I would still hate it and I would have no real love or respect for this God, simply because  I would find it impossible to love somebody as violent, cruel and wrathful as the God of the bible. All human tyrants combined are lesser to God's cruelty. Why would I have such a distaste to such tyrants, but love God, the tyrant of all tyrants? Simply does not make sense. I know a good tyrant can manipulate people and perhaps convince them to love them out of fear, but unfortunately for me, I know better than that.


You talk of the devil, whilst I don't believe in his existence, he's far less cruel in the bible, his actions are only against God, which is why he's considered evil. I wonder, have people every considered that God has fooled them with ridiculous propaganda to love and worship him? I mean, it has happened throughout history and heck, we still see it today.

I am kinda reminded of this Mitchell and Webb sketch (sorry for the quality, there isn't any good quality versions):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVEIlObp22s
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: Ambassador Pony on May 04, 2013, 07:38:51 AM
Andrew is muted. Only answers to your questions will be approved.  
Title: Re: Repent or perish
Post by: kin hell on May 04, 2013, 09:12:21 AM
Andrew is muted. Only answers to your questions will be approved.

It wont work, all Andrew needs to do is lay hands on himself (like the professional wanker he is) and the lord will cure his dumbness.




Now that number of IQ points would have to be considered a "big" miracle.