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Title: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kitten on December 28, 2012, 08:32:58 PM
why is there no mention of dinosaurs in the bible...there is obvious evidence they actually existed, why were they left out? do christians actually believe dino's were made up by man like we believe god is made up by man? thoughts?
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: Nick on December 28, 2012, 08:41:35 PM
Oh, no, dinos were around when man walked the Earth.  There is even a museum in Kentucky that shows you all about it.  Noah had a few on the Ark.  The others were out of luck.  There is a pic somewhere here of Jesus riding his favorite dino.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: HAL on December 28, 2012, 08:42:08 PM
why is there no mention of dinosaurs in the bible...there is obvious evidence they actually existed, why were they left out? do christians actually believe dino's were made up by man like we believe god is made up by man? thoughts?

Hi kitten,

No they think dinos are real -

(http://www.atheistthinktank.net/HAL/theology/dinos/adams-dinosaur.jpg)
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: Spit on December 28, 2012, 08:44:49 PM
why is there no mention of dinosaurs in the bible...there is obvious evidence they actually existed, why were they left out? do christians actually believe dino's were made up by man like we believe god is made up by man? thoughts?
They were a trick orchestrated by Beelzebub.  :blank:
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: Nick on December 28, 2012, 08:46:11 PM
Good thing because that trick turned into oil.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kitten on December 28, 2012, 08:46:26 PM
i think you're pulling my leg hal..lol i don't remember and on the 6th day god made man and dino's ha ha ha maybe it should be, and god made man, dino's, ufo's,& bigfoot, but man made god,santa, the easter bunny,& the toothfairy :)
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: Nick on December 28, 2012, 08:47:24 PM
Then we all rested. ;)
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kitten on December 28, 2012, 08:48:20 PM
bahahaha, you guys are funny! :P
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: HAL on December 28, 2012, 08:48:41 PM
i think you're pulling my leg hal..lol i don't remember and on the 6th day god made man and dino's ha ha ha maybe it should be, and god made man, dino's, ufo's,& bigfoot, but man made god,santa, the easter bunny,& the toothfairy :)

No kitten, I wouldn't pull your leg even though you would shoot me with your blaster -

(http://www.atheistthinktank.net/HAL/theology/dinos/goddino1.jpg)
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kaziglu bey on December 28, 2012, 08:49:52 PM
why is there no mention of dinosaurs in the bible...there is obvious evidence they actually existed, why were they left out? do christians actually believe dino's were made up by man like we believe god is made up by man? thoughts?
No mention of dinosaurs, but it does mention dragons. I'm sure that in the Christian doublespeak/word interpretation guide that the word "dragon" really means "dinosaur". Why not? Hate means love, good means evil, death means life, dragon could surely mean dinosaur. Just depends on which SPAG menu you order from today.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: rev45 on December 28, 2012, 09:29:56 PM
To go off of what kaziglu said about dragons being dinosaurs.  Here are a few links about Job and dinosaurs.

Quote
Keep in mind that the term "dinosaur" didn't exist until the 19th century.  Prior to that, they were mostly referred to as 'dragons'.
http://creationists.org/dinosaurs-humans-coexisted-behemoth.html (http://creationists.org/dinosaurs-humans-coexisted-behemoth.html)

And this one makes for a real good laugh.
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-dinosaurs-mentioned-in-bible.htm (http://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-dinosaurs-mentioned-in-bible.htm)
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: 3sigma on December 28, 2012, 09:49:09 PM
No mention of dinosaurs, but it does mention dragons. I'm sure that in the Christian doublespeak/word interpretation guide that the word "dragon" really means "dinosaur". Why not? Hate means love, good means evil, death means life, dragon could surely mean dinosaur. Just depends on which SPAG menu you order from today.

I’ve seen Christians use “behemoth” as the same excuse, but then the KJV also talks about unicorns so I wouldn’t place much stock in anything it says.

It’s interesting you mention the Christian tendency to use words to mean the opposite of their common usage meanings. I’ve noticed this trend too. The classic case is Truth meaning fiction, fallacies and misrepresentations—or TRUTH meaning an outright lie. Then there is real meaning imaginary, sometime expressed using the weasel words real to me. There are also the euphemisms fact for belief, know for believe, open minded for gullible and respect for unquestioning deference.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kitten on December 29, 2012, 02:43:22 AM
kudo's hal, you came up with the sticker edition even, double brownie points for you! ;)
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kitten on December 29, 2012, 02:48:30 AM
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I’ve seen Christians use “behemoth” as the same excuse, but then the KJV also talks about unicorns so I wouldn’t place much stock in anything it says.
this is a good point you bring up...can you believe anything said after you find such falsehoods in a txt so many believe to be true...hmmm
unicorns huh, sounds a tad made up to be in a story of some sort, not meant to be taken as word...yet somehow has...
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: Seppuku on December 29, 2012, 02:58:59 AM
The word 'dinosaur' did not exist? I thought we were talking about the inspired word of God. I am sure God could have given them a name and then described them, maybe describe how Jesus rode a t-rex. I'm gonna go with the bible meant dragons...like it means unicorns and not narwhals because the word 'narwhal' didn't exist (I don't know if that's true).

In regards to the Behemoth, the description isn't clear enough, all we know is he's huge and eats grass like an ox...well, Behemoth could also be the 'Bull of Heaven' from Mesopotamian Mythology, Taurus and Himinnhrot (from Norse) because they are all very large oxen - Behemoth has even been depicted as an ox. Given the bible sometimes has ties to the Mesopotamian mythology (for example, Noah's flood), I wouldn't say it's too much of a stretch to suggest it. It's not unusual for mythology to describe giant beasts, so many mythologies around the world have them. For an adequate description of a dinosaur, I would hope the depictions made prior to the discovery of dinosaurs would actually resemble a dinosaur. God offers much better descriptions for angels, which aren't described as they are often depicted today (they're actually pretty creepy).

Click to see a Seraph as described by the bible (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iysROu0-4PY/Tbxc28HD8PI/AAAAAAAABhE/9IXoNRys--8/s1600/red+seraph.jpg)

If they can get the descriptions right with an angel, why can't they get it right for a t-rex?
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: mhaberling on December 29, 2012, 03:12:50 AM
Christians acknowledge dinosaurs... Kitten, your getting them confused with a small number of Christians called Creationists...
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kitten on December 29, 2012, 03:13:07 AM
i don't know what existed and what didn't back then, i can't go with 'only the animals listed in the bible..' as the only animals that walked the earth ever, i can only go off of what they have actually found and discovered, not what they hope to find one day so our story can be true. let's try going off of what we actually know for fact...i know it sounds crazy...lol but let's just go with it ;)
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kitten on December 29, 2012, 03:15:57 AM
well what ever you call them, they're crazy mhaberling ;)
i don't understand people who can't believe in facts and evidence.
i have a brain injury, lol i'm sure i confuse a lot of things lol sorry!
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: Add Homonym on December 29, 2012, 09:16:48 AM
Christians acknowledge dinosaurs... Kitten, your getting them confused with a small number of Christians called Creationists...

In 2008 a survey found that 36% of South Koreans disagreed with the statement that "Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals.". In May 2012, references to evolution were removed from South Korean science textbooks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#South_Korea

A 2006 international survey found that 30% of the Swiss reject evolution, one of the highest national percentages in Europe.

A 2007 study of religious patterns found that only 8% of Egyptians, 11% of Malaysians, 14% of Pakistanis, 16% of Indonesians, and 22% of Turks agree that Darwin's theory is probably or most certainly true, and a 2006 survey reported that about a quarter of Turkish adults agreed that human beings evolved from earlier animal species.

Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kaziglu bey on December 29, 2012, 09:19:22 AM
To go off of what kaziglu said about dragons being dinosaurs.  Here are a few links about Job and dinosaurs.

Quote
Keep in mind that the term "dinosaur" didn't exist until the 19th century.  Prior to that, they were mostly referred to as 'dragons'.
http://creationists.org/dinosaurs-humans-coexisted-behemoth.html (http://creationists.org/dinosaurs-humans-coexisted-behemoth.html)

And this one makes for a real good laugh.
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-dinosaurs-mentioned-in-bible.htm (http://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-dinosaurs-mentioned-in-bible.htm)

Wow. Just.... wow. Look, if, when asked to give evidence of evolution, if we presented an argument and evidence as UTTERLY PATHETIC as what I just read on those sites, I could understand why people wouldn't believe in evolution. It's amazing how such a terrible argument is considered the gold standard in religion, while actual science based theories are subjected to the highest possible level of scrutiny. Again the double standards present in religion are abundant, and always overlooked by the religious themselves.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kaziglu bey on December 29, 2012, 09:24:12 AM

I’ve seen Christians use “behemoth” as the same excuse, but then the KJV also talks about unicorns so I wouldn’t place much stock in anything it says.

It’s interesting you mention the Christian tendency to use words to mean the opposite of their common usage meanings. I’ve noticed this trend too. The classic case is Truth meaning fiction, fallacies and misrepresentations—or TRUTH meaning an outright lie. Then there is real meaning imaginary, sometime expressed using the weasel words real to me. There are also the euphemisms fact for belief, know for believe, open minded for gullible and respect for unquestioning deference.

And of course they call people who are sworn virgins "mother" and "father" in spite of their not being parents. And they use "loving father" to mean a jealous vindictive dictator whose ultimate plan was to kill his own son.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: The Gawd on December 29, 2012, 11:55:34 AM
Im pretty sure weve heard every excuse for this...

humans and dinos walked the earth together
bones were planted in the earth to trick us
ive even heard that they were from a previous earth... somehow.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: 12 Monkeys on December 29, 2012, 01:13:26 PM
Christians acknowledge dinosaurs... Kitten, your getting them confused with a small number of Christians called Creationists...
According to the Bible there were dragons and unicorns and that the earth is 6000 or so years old,how would you explain this? I am asking you ,not berating you.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: One Above All on December 29, 2012, 01:17:20 PM
What happened to kitten's account?
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: 3sigma on December 29, 2012, 04:27:41 PM
What happened to kitten's account?

Probably the same thing (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,24145.msg539527.html#msg539527) that happened to me. In short, if you change the email address on your account, the validation email doesn’t arrive. After not seeing the validation email for some time, the server deletes your account and username. Don’t change the email address on your account until the server problems are resolved.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: Leviathan on January 04, 2013, 06:11:44 PM
The buybull mentions two dinosaurs by name and describes them in great detail. "Behemoth" (Job 40:15-24) and "Leviathan" (Job 41:1-34). Do I believe this no…
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: mhaberling on January 10, 2013, 03:50:46 AM
Christians acknowledge dinosaurs... Kitten, your getting them confused with a small number of Christians called Creationists...
According to the Bible there were dragons and unicorns and that the earth is 6000 or so years old,how would you explain this? I am asking you ,not berating you.
the bible was written a very long time ago and was originally an oral history...
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: Seppuku on January 10, 2013, 04:07:41 AM
The buybull mentions two dinosaurs by name and describes them in great detail. "Behemoth" (Job 40:15-24) and "Leviathan" (Job 41:1-34). Do I believe this no…

Good. :) Because before the discovery of dinosaurs Behemoth was depicted as more of an ox...because of the simile the bible chooses to use and Leviathan is more of a sea serpent. Behemoth is likely to be related to oxen in other mythology, a giant ox or bull of heaven is described in other religions, Taurus is the obvious one, in Mesopotamia you've got the bull of heaven who was slain by the mighty Gilgamesh and in the Norse you've got Himinnhrot who was slain by Thor to lure Jormungandr, who interestingly is a giant sea serpent...spooky. :P
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kcrady on January 10, 2013, 04:29:46 AM
(http://www.atheistthinktank.net/HAL/theology/dinos/adams-dinosaur.jpg)

And yes, the default standard human is a blond white male.  Just so the rest o' y'all know your place.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: kcrady on January 10, 2013, 04:39:23 AM
DINOSAUR: "Thank you so much, Adam, for smearing your nasty butt-crack and scrotum-sweat on the back of my head, where I can't clean myself off.  I hope T-Rexes start eating meat soon,[1] 'cause you're about the right size for a nice snack."
 1. Why yes, Creationists do believe that T-Rexes were originally plant-eaters, 'cause Paul in the Book of Romans says that death came from "sin," which didn't happen until after Adam ate the... *Moment of Sudden Clarity* ...ADAM!  Noooo!  Reptile?  Tree?  And Fruit?  Badbadbadbad!  Climb down that mofo's neck and run away NOW!!!!
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: holydragon on January 15, 2013, 03:29:20 AM
whoa, i had never thought about this before.
totally mind blowing.
i starting to love this place more and more.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: IAmFirst on January 15, 2013, 05:38:46 AM
why is there no mention of dinosaurs in the bible...there is obvious evidence they actually existed, why were they left out? do christians actually believe dino's were made up by man like we believe god is made up by man? thoughts?

Sure, xtians know about dinosaurs. What's funny is they know they're extinct. I like to mention how they are extinct when I argue with born-agains and really love to mention how 99 percent -- 99 PERCENT-- of all creatures on this planet are also extinct. Looks like a pretty bad failure rate from the freak upstairs, eh? :D
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: Jag on January 17, 2013, 04:24:03 PM
Someone mentioned up-thread a bit, that the term "dinosaur" didn't exist until the 19th century. I strongly suspect that when the bible was being written, they had evidence of large creatures unlike anything that they were familiar with. They would have come upon skeletal remains of these huge animals in preparing fields for planting, and in the absence of LIVE ones to study or compare the remains to, they simply made assumptions about what these creature were like, or could do. It's not difficult to imagine people drawing some incorrect conclusions; thus dragons, which we later understood to be dinosaurs. If they found a pterodactyl, then obviously dragons could fly... and of course they exist, because one of them died in Ebenezer's field just down the way, haven't you seen it?  ;D

Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: anthony_retford on January 19, 2013, 04:18:44 PM
I was reading a story to my son (4 years old) last night and it was called "Boy" by James Mayhew and published by the Chicken House in NY. He must have a hidden agenda because the boy goes outside his family's cave and runs into a Sabertooth tiger and then a Woolly Mammoth. That is fine because they existed when people lived in caves. But then he runs into a Dinosaur which did not exist then. Not a word of apology either.
Title: Re: what about the dinosaurs?
Post by: ParkingPlaces on January 19, 2013, 04:33:46 PM
anthony_r, don't worry about it. See the label? Fiction. At least the dude is being honest.  :)

Because technically, little cave kids didn't speak english either. Stuff like that. Of course, neither did jc, but try telling that to white southerners.