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Title: Cause for complaint
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on December 21, 2012, 03:10:11 PM
To all the people who found something bad to say about the truth I presented on the hell of the churches of men :

I had come to all 3 forums with good news & with many blessings. I had come to set you free from the hatred you rightfully had against organized religion & it's false doctrines. Yes, I had come with the truth. Yet in this forum, many of you have found cause for complaint. Yes, some of you even showed disgust towards the good news. Behold! You made little difference between the truth & the lie. You did not welcome it. You rejected it. The beauty of truth has been forgotten altogether! Therefore, this is what The Lord says(but not by me) :   

Preaching Deleted by moderator. I don't know what part of "No Preaching" you don't understand, but you might try to figure it out.

http://trumpetcallofgod.com/ (http://trumpetcallofgod.com/)
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Dante on December 21, 2012, 03:12:56 PM
Do you ever wonder what's taking so long?
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Brakeman on December 21, 2012, 03:26:02 PM
Well If we're going to have so much preaching, maybe someone can start a hymn while I pass the offering plate.. &)


Shin, We only disrespect your god's message because we think you've made it up all in you own little head, and if not, then in the head of someone very similar. We would be very respectful if we were given enough real, unimpeachable evidence that any of it were true. Please realize that we have heard hundreds of wild claims about god and we as of yet see no reason to believe yours, it's not  personal.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Garja on December 21, 2012, 03:32:31 PM
I love how Shin post the ramblings of some random dude on the internet like it is supposed to be special.  Of all the stuff you say that annoys me shin - this crap tops the charts by far.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Nick on December 21, 2012, 03:55:53 PM
Hey God.  Stop talking like that.  This is the 21st century.  And "up Yours".  You have turned out to be a shitty God.  We are better off on our own...how worse can it get?
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Don_Quixote on December 21, 2012, 04:56:30 PM
Ooo watch out! We got a badass GAWD over here!
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Jontom10 on December 21, 2012, 05:08:36 PM
God sure is a whiny little bitch
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: wright on December 21, 2012, 05:13:32 PM
Reported for forum rules violations. Enjoy your martyrdom, troll.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Seppuku on December 21, 2012, 05:30:15 PM
Shin, you're pretty arrogant, aren't you?

The problem with the so called truth, it's all hot air and no substance. Anybody can say anything (wearing hats helps prevent men developing erectile dysfunction when they're older), but be prepared to back it up when people challenge it. Your attempt to back up the so-called 'truth' has been very poor. If it really IS the truth, then you've done a terrible job of delivering it, you've mostly employed a stance of egotism and arrogance, which is a horrible way to deliver the truth. So many before you have tried to deliver so many types of truths to us, but generally these are people who are prepared to preach but are never prepared to listen. That is your failing, rather than listen and engage as the forum rules promote, you've preferred to preach and back yourself with arrogance which the forum rules discourage. You're not the first to make this mistake and I doubt you'll be the last. Generally those wailing about "you won't listen to the truth" are those who have lost an argument but aren't prepared to accept it, at least this seems to be the case.

Of course, if you want to engage and want to be a positive member of the forums, there are those who I am sure who'd be willing to help point you in the right direction, you might not necessarily win all the arguments as it's not easy to change people's minds, but at least you can strengthen your own stances and give yourself more credibility and heck, maybe even educate.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: jetson on December 21, 2012, 05:34:09 PM
C'mon SHIN, join the dark side!  You could be the new atheist evangelist!  God will never know what hit him.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: ParkingPlaces on December 21, 2012, 05:43:11 PM
Listen to Seppuku, SHIN. Like I'm going to do when he tells me where to get one of those hats...
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Graybeard on December 21, 2012, 05:47:02 PM
To all the people who found something bad to say about the truth I presented on the hell of the churches of men :
Yes, all Churches are bollox - but so is the religion and so are all religions.

The minute you can get a few dead people to certify what heaven and hell are like, the sooner you'll be doing something positive towards "truth".
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Garja on December 21, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
C'mon SHIN, join the dark side!  You could be the new atheist evangelist!  God will never know what hit him.

He's already said if the world doesn't end by 2014 he'll start to doubt, and if it doesn't by 2020 he'll "become a skeptic".  Sounds like a waste of time, but at least its something!!! lol
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on December 21, 2012, 05:57:50 PM
C'mon SHIN, join the dark side!  You could be the new atheist evangelist!  God will never know what hit him.
LOL, I'll think about that. &)
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Garja on December 21, 2012, 09:44:16 PM
You should.  We have planted the seeds of doubt in your brain. They just need to sprout.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: caveat_imperator on December 21, 2012, 11:11:57 PM
C'mon SHIN, join the dark side!  You could be the new atheist evangelist!  God will never know what hit him.
LOL, I'll think about that. &)
Well, at least jetson got you to agree to start thinking.  ;D
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Morgan on December 22, 2012, 03:56:48 AM
If only we could get him to stop ignoring me in the other thread... :'( Oh well, baby steps.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: kaziglu bey on December 22, 2012, 04:28:14 AM
SHIN, I think you are being a bit unfair with us. I hope you can see what I mean once I explain.

WE do not assert that there is a hell. Therefore WE do not ACTUALLY believe that people are tortured forever. It seems that at least in regards to the latter you and the atheists agree, in a sense.

However, it can't possibly escape your notice that the overwhelming majority of people who identify as Christians DO believe that hell is in fact a place of eternal torture. It seems to be the prevailing belief in Christianity. You can't overlook this. It has been preached in churches for over a thousand years, and whether or not it is the One True Christian Truth, it is what most believers believe and churches teach. This belief has been used to terrorize an uncountable number of children and ignorant people, and is contemptible for that reason. Again, it seems that at least to some extent, we also agree on this. However, your basis of objection is solely "That's not true!". Our objection is that it is EVIL.

Now, you assure us that YOUR version of the Christian God is a kinder, gentler Jesus, who doesn't send you into a lake of fire forever, he just sends you there once, and your soul is roasted out of existence. See? What a nice guy! And the only thing that makes any difference is whether or not you accept Jesus to be your savior.

I honestly don't know how you think that this sick and twisted and evil alternative is a GOOD one. It could perhaps be argued that it is a BETTER one, kind of like the rapist who says " I won't rape you forever, just this once. Aren't I a nice guy?". I don't mean to offend any victims of sexual abuse, but merely mean to demonstrate the type of wickedness that SHIN is offering to us as "salvation". And SHIN doesn't even notice the inherent selfishness and callousness of the whole deal. By PRAISING the death of an innocent man, you can gain eternal life. I don't see how a God who deliberately invents such a sadistic and masochistic system in order to appease his own bruised ego can possibly be considered worthy of worship, let alone good or moral in any form. Can someone please explain to me how or when "Satan"  has done anything worse than this?

SHIN, I think you can realize that there is just no POINT in your arguing with us about hell at this point. Regardless of whether or not you or the billions of other Christians who disagree with you are right, the system you people offer us is disgusting, immoral, an insult to human dignity and is inhibiting the progress of our species, just as religious believe HAS ALWAYS DONE. It serves to motivate people to slaughter others like in Rwanda where Catholic leaders encouraged and in some cases even oversaw the massacres that occurred there. I know you are not a Catholic (Thank God, right? ;) ) , but your level of self righteous fervor is precisely the same. The afterlife alternative that you offer is still an evil one, and it is therefore on that basis that we reject it too.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Nam on December 22, 2012, 04:45:36 AM
I love how Shin post the ramblings of some random dude on the internet like it is supposed to be special.  Of all the stuff you say that annoys me shin - this crap tops the charts by far.

It doesn't annoy but makes me feel sorry for the guy. He actually believes all this copy/pasting works. Who's going to tell him

1. We've seen it all before?

And

2. It doesn't work?

-Nam
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on December 22, 2012, 09:56:33 AM
SHIN, I think you are being a bit unfair with us. I hope you can see what I mean once I explain.

WE do not assert that there is a hell. Therefore WE do not ACTUALLY believe that people are tortured forever. It seems that at least in regards to the latter you and the atheists agree, in a sense.

However, it can't possibly escape your notice that the overwhelming majority of people who identify as Christians DO believe that hell is in fact a place of eternal torture. It seems to be the prevailing belief in Christianity. You can't overlook this. It has been preached in churches for over a thousand years, and whether or not it is the One True Christian Truth, it is what most believers believe and churches teach. This belief has been used to terrorize an uncountable number of children and ignorant people, and is contemptible for that reason. Again, it seems that at least to some extent, we also agree on this. However, your basis of objection is solely "That's not true!". Our objection is that it is EVIL.

Now, you assure us that YOUR version of the Christian God is a kinder, gentler Jesus, who doesn't send you into a lake of fire forever, he just sends you there once, and your soul is roasted out of existence. See? What a nice guy! And the only thing that makes any difference is whether or not you accept Jesus to be your savior.

I honestly don't know how you think that this sick and twisted and evil alternative is a GOOD one. It could perhaps be argued that it is a BETTER one, kind of like the rapist who says " I won't rape you forever, just this once. Aren't I a nice guy?". I don't mean to offend any victims of sexual abuse, but merely mean to demonstrate the type of wickedness that SHIN is offering to us as "salvation". And SHIN doesn't even notice the inherent selfishness and callousness of the whole deal. By PRAISING the death of an innocent man, you can gain eternal life. I don't see how a God who deliberately invents such a sadistic and masochistic system in order to appease his own bruised ego can possibly be considered worthy of worship, let alone good or moral in any form. Can someone please explain to me how or when "Satan"  has done anything worse than this?

SHIN, I think you can realize that there is just no POINT in your arguing with us about hell at this point. Regardless of whether or not you or the billions of other Christians who disagree with you are right, the system you people offer us is disgusting, immoral, an insult to human dignity and is inhibiting the progress of our species, just as religious believe HAS ALWAYS DONE. It serves to motivate people to slaughter others like in Rwanda where Catholic leaders encouraged and in some cases even oversaw the massacres that occurred there. I know you are not a Catholic (Thank God, right? ;) ) , but your level of self righteous fervor is precisely the same. The afterlife alternative that you offer is still an evil one, and it is therefore on that basis that we reject it too.
Uuuhhhmmm... there's nothing I an say to that :P nice post.

Except for the rapist analogy thingy... :P
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on December 22, 2012, 09:58:35 AM
I love how Shin post the ramblings of some random dude on the internet like it is supposed to be special.  Of all the stuff you say that annoys me shin - this crap tops the charts by far.

It doesn't annoy but makes me feel sorry for the guy. He actually believes all this copy/pasting works. Who's going to tell him

1. We've seen it all before?

And

2. It doesn't work?

-Nam
It might not work, but I'm pretty sure you hadn't seen it before. Tell me of one person that has ever been here that knew about trumpetcallofgod.com

Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: kaziglu bey on December 22, 2012, 10:15:04 AM
Uuuhhhmmm... there's nothing I an say to that :P nice post.

Except for the rapist analogy thingy... :P
Nothing you can say to that? So you agree that your belief system is in fact evil? <checkmate>
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on December 22, 2012, 10:30:24 AM
Uuuhhhmmm... there's nothing I an say to that :P nice post.

Except for the rapist analogy thingy... :P
Nothing you can say to that? So you agree that your belief system is in fact evil? <checkmate>
No. It just means that there is nothing I can say. What do you want me to say?

PS : I never get checkmated buddy.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Brakeman on December 22, 2012, 10:33:18 AM
Shin,

I've researched and found that the "Prophet" you speak of is named Timothy Rathbun.

Is this him?

http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/NY21231/Timothy-Rathbun.html (http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/NY21231/Timothy-Rathbun.html)
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: kaziglu bey on December 22, 2012, 10:33:37 AM

No. It just means that there is nothing I can say. What do you want me to say?

PS : I never get checkmated buddy.
Well you could start by explaining why you have an evil belief system.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: hickdive on December 22, 2012, 10:40:36 AM
It might not work, but I'm pretty sure you hadn't seen it before. Tell me of one person that has ever been here that knew about trumpetcallofgod.com

I think you misunderstand, whether someone has been to that specific website or not is immaterial, we've seen virtually ALL the arguments for the existence of god(s).

The chances of whatever link you post bringing something new to the debate are so incredibly small that if you can't be bothered to put it in a nutshell in your own words then it is incredibly unlikely anyone is going to click on it; especially if it is just going to be more preaching like so much of the stuff in faux KJV language you have bothered to cut and paste.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on December 22, 2012, 11:01:52 AM
Shin,

I've researched and found that the "Prophet" you speak of is named Timothy Rathbun.

Is this him?

http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/NY21231/Timothy-Rathbun.html (http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/NY21231/Timothy-Rathbun.html)
LOL, no.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on December 22, 2012, 11:03:07 AM

No. It just means that there is nothing I can say. What do you want me to say?

PS : I never get checkmated buddy.
Well you could start by explaining why you have an evil belief system.
It's just a matter of perspective. To me & other millions around the world it's not evil. To you it's evil. There's nothing to argue about :P
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: ParkingPlaces on December 22, 2012, 11:14:30 AM
It might not work, but I'm pretty sure you hadn't seen it before. Tell me of one person that has ever been here that knew about trumpetcallofgod.com



What would our impetus be to go to yet another believer site that presents the same material in some new way? We don't believe, and even if he is real and the site is real, an omnipotent being spreading his word via pdf's doesn't impress.


The trouble with truth is that it is never convenient. You can't google it the way you can the term "Jesus" and get trillions of hits. Because of that, making stuff up is apparently easier for billions. In the day-to-day life of the average person, being mistaken about gods generally doesn't matter. Until one starts whopping others over the head for not believing in the right one. But look at that word "belief". Look at the word "faith". Each excuses all the holes in whichever story one is listening to. Christians have it. Hindus have it. Muslims have it. Those requirements are the only consistency in religion. And it isn't coincidental that those requirements are the only consistency required. Because once one has both faith and belief, the battle is won. The religion has the person under its thumb. And bragging about it.


Any religion, and believer, can make up anything and as long as it doesn't contradict other made up stories too badly, as long as it adds to the narrative rather than instilling doubt, it will work. In the cases of christianity, those who have come before you have managed to conjure up tens of thousands of variations and except for the christian/catholic duels, little harm has been done. So along come someone who knows how to design a web site from 1997 and distribute pdf's and you get tickled pink.


All we see is the same old thing in a slightly different wrapper. The content is irrelevant. Before we start reading the specifics, we need a general reason to accept the christian (or any other religions) story. And we atheists haven't seen that yet.


Because all religion offers is words. It is all just words. Whether on parchment or the computer screen, it is all just words. And they don't match reality at all.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Garja on December 22, 2012, 11:24:50 AM
It just baffles me that Shin buys into some random dude on the internet.  I mean, I know people are gullible about what they want to believe, but this kind of stuff takes an extra leap of faith to buy into.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: ParkingPlaces on December 22, 2012, 11:28:07 AM
We see it as a leap of faith. They see it as a one-size-fits-all chasm. That they can't tell is full of dung.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: jetson on December 22, 2012, 11:36:28 AM
It just baffles me that Shin buys into some random dude on the internet.  I mean, I know people are gullible about what they want to believe, but this kind of stuff takes an extra leap of faith to buy into.

I watched the David Koresh stuff from Waco last night.  Those people considered David their god.  Sad.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Anfauglir on December 22, 2012, 11:51:14 AM
To all the people who found something bad to say about the truth I presented on the hell of the churches of men :

I had come to all 3 forums with good news & with many blessings....

This "Bible" that you keep going on about.....we'd never heard of it before, you know.  The stories about your god were all brand new to us, we'd never encountered the Christian faith before.

/sarcasm.

Shin, NONE of your links and preachings are anything new to us.  We've seen and herd it all before, and you've brought nothing new to the table. 

Simply turning up and saying "hey, hear this!" will win you precisely zero converts.  What perhaps WOULD win you some disciples - or, at least, some respect, would be ifffff you ever proved able to follow up any initial Glurge with a reasoned dialogue.  But in the umpteen threads you've dived into, I've yet to see this happen.

If you really want your messages taken seriously, drop the scatter-gun approach and frivolous non-answers.  Pick a thread or two and actually spend some time thinking and engaging in a meaningful way with the people here.

If you HONESTLY want to win hearts and souls for your god, then that's what you need to do.  Or you can keep things preachy and superficial, convince absolutely nobody, and be out of here in a couple weeks.  I suppose it all depends what is more important to you - teasing the heathens so you can feel superior, or actually trying to bring people to your god.

Your choice Shin.  I wonder what you'll go for?
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on December 22, 2012, 12:06:11 PM
I mean, I know people are gullible about what they want to believe, but this kind of stuff takes an extra leap of faith to buy into.
U mean like the theory of evolution? :P

(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u677/SHINKAIRI3/emoticon-0140-rofl_zpsbbff89c0.gif)
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on December 22, 2012, 12:08:42 PM
Shin, NONE of your links and preachings are anything new to us.  We've seen and herd it all before, and you've brought nothing new to the table. 
Sure...
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Nick on December 22, 2012, 12:10:08 PM
SHIN...have your God cure an amputee and I'll be right there with you.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: ParkingPlaces on December 22, 2012, 12:25:33 PM
Theory of evolution? There's a good one SHIN. Can you, in your usual brief style, tell us why it is so wrong? We don't expect that you'll need more than three or four words to trash the whole of science, but so far we've been concentrating on the religion side of the coin. I'm going to start a thread in the "Evolution and Creationiism" section so that we don't hijack this thread. Any cutting and pasting you can do to enlighten us will be appreciated.


You'll find the thread here:
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,24232.msg539245.html#msg539245 (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,24232.msg539245.html#msg539245)
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Shandi on December 22, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
He´s not going to tell anything, cause he has nothing valuable to say. He posts some stuff, adds two or three comments nobody gets and that´s it. The rest of us tries to get him into discussion, but that´s not what he wants. Maybe he thinks he torments our souls with his posts but I´m only bored to the max.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: ParkingPlaces on December 22, 2012, 12:39:32 PM
Very true, but he's all we've got right now. They come and go. At times things are much more exciting. At others, much less.


It is strange what some of us will do out of boredom.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: mhaberling on December 22, 2012, 01:19:37 PM
I like shin... What he lacks in good argumentation he more than makes up for in enthusiasim!

Edit... Shandi that's a great signature
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on December 22, 2012, 02:00:32 PM
I like shin... What he lacks in good argumentation he more than makes up for in enthusiasim!
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u677/SHINKAIRI3/ThankYouSign_zpsd6431690.gif)
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Garja on December 22, 2012, 07:36:57 PM
I mean, I know people are gullible about what they want to believe, but this kind of stuff takes an extra leap of faith to buy into.
U mean like the theory of evolution? :P

(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u677/SHINKAIRI3/emoticon-0140-rofl_zpsbbff89c0.gif)

And as I have said on at least three occasions, any time you want to have that discussion I am willing. Creationism does not have a scientific leg to stand on, and if you had one intellectually honest bone in your body you would see that. You know that I have nothing against you personally shin, but damn do you say some dumb shit.
Title: Re: Cause for complaint
Post by: Anfauglir on December 23, 2012, 01:45:08 AM
If you really want your messages taken seriously, drop the scatter-gun approach and frivolous non-answers.  Pick a thread or two and actually spend some time thinking and engaging in a meaningful way with the people here.

If you HONESTLY want to win hearts and souls for your god, then that's what you need to do.  Or you can keep things preachy and superficial, convince absolutely nobody, and be out of here in a couple weeks.  I suppose it all depends what is more important to you - teasing the heathens so you can feel superior, or actually trying to bring people to your god.

Your choice Shin.  I wonder what you'll go for?

Shin, NONE of your links and preachings are anything new to us.  We've seen and herd it all before, and you've brought nothing new to the table. 
Sure...

Fair nough then - you're not interested in actually discussion, just trolling and flip answers.  Like Garja says, if you ever want a proper discussion, I'm more than ready.  But until you show some interest in having one, I'm done with you. 

You simply aren't worth any more of my time.

And just think.....maybe your attitude here was the tipping point that finally prevented me from finding your god!  How do you think your god will feel about that?