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Title: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: darwin-is-christ99 on May 28, 2012, 05:02:28 PM
I have to admit, this may not be original in that I am not sure if it has been said before. But I believe Religion started when (bear with me here) Extra terrestrials visited Mankind when Man was at his earliest "form"if you will. These Aliens came in from space in their "ships"; probably researched briefly and left. And so Man thought of these Weird creatures from the sky and believed them to be  gods. That explains why they have been revisiting us for centuries now, to sort of check our civilization N' shit. It is just a theory, but I am probably right.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Ambassador Pony on May 28, 2012, 05:10:12 PM
Evidence?
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Anfauglir on May 29, 2012, 03:02:11 AM
It is just a theory, but I am probably right.

Modest, too!   ;D

I'm with Pony - I'd need to see your evidence before I could comment on the likelihood of your being correct!
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: sun_king on May 29, 2012, 03:16:46 AM
That may not explain the popular Christian belief that "God created us in his image"...

Any engravings, cave drawings, ancient texts etc. that you want to share that can support this hypothesis?
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Add Homonym on May 29, 2012, 03:53:59 AM
But I believe Religion started when

I'll concede that this is an excellent way of explaining Islam.

A problem with your theory is that religion has started in lots of places. Also, the more primitive ones tend to be sacrificial ones, trying to weather and pestilence.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: rickymooston on May 29, 2012, 07:16:53 PM
I have to admit, this may not be original in that I am not sure if it has been said before. But I believe Religion started when (bear with me here) Extra terrestrials visited Mankind when Man was at his earliest "form"if you will. These Aliens came in from space in their "ships"; probably researched briefly and left. And so Man thought of these Weird creatures from the sky and believed them to be  gods. That explains why they have been revisiting us for centuries now, to sort of check our civilization N' shit. It is just a theory, but I am probably right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods?
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Quesi on May 29, 2012, 07:42:38 PM
I believe that religion started as science and philosophy and government. 

As "science," it explained the things that couldn't be explained, such as why the sun disappeared below the horizon each night, or how the earth was formed or why there were floods and droughts. 

As "philosophy," it explained right from wrong, and tried to identify the role of human beings within their families, their communities, within the known world, and within what they understood of the universe.  It attempted to answer the "whys."

As "government," it provided rules to live by, and consequences for breaking those rules.  If your goat eats your neighbor's crops, you've gotta give him a few shekels. If you steal, the community cuts off your hand.  Or if you steal, you will be a lowly lifeform in your next life.  So don't do it.   

Every society has created religion.  There were different stories and different answers to the big questions and different rules.  But now we have real science.  Philosophy continues to ask increasingly complex questions, without needing to take a diety into account.  And we as a species are trying to create just governments.  Maybe we haven't gotten it quite right yet.  But we are trying. 
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Backspace on May 29, 2012, 09:24:38 PM
I believe Religion started when (bear with me here) Extra terrestrials visited Mankind when Man was at his earliest "form"if you will. These Aliens came in from space in their "ships"; probably researched briefly and left. And so Man thought of these Weird creatures from the sky and believed them to be  gods. That explains why they have been revisiting us for centuries now, to sort of check our civilization N' shit. It is just a theory, but I am probably right.

Gort, Klaatu barada nikto...
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: jetson on May 29, 2012, 09:33:25 PM
Nanu, nanu

Shozbot
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: JeffPT on May 29, 2012, 09:35:33 PM
Mark Twain has it right...

Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: sun_king on May 29, 2012, 09:59:39 PM
Mark Twain has it right...

Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.

This would mean religion is the longest running con in human history???

And the religious are ...
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: ParkingPlaces on May 29, 2012, 10:05:03 PM
I doubt that is how it happened. If it did, Genesis would start "In the beginning, god created conspiracy theorists".

I'm pretty sure humans don't need external help to make stuff up.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: rickymooston on May 30, 2012, 06:11:04 AM
Evidence?

You didn't read the "evidence" in the chariot of the goods as a kid?

Lets see:
- the pictures of Aztec gods looked like they had space helmets on
- the prophet who went in a firey chariot was most obviously leaving Israel in a rocket ship

The author not only managed to get a best selling book out of the evidence but about 100 other poorly selling books as well.

Very fun reading and proof that pseudo science can be more profitable than real science

There was another screwed up theory on religion. The author was one of the guys who made a big deal about the dead sea scrolls not being accessible to scholars. His theory was religion was induced by magic mushrooms
No idea what evidence supports that thesis.

My theory? I'll go with people like Michael Shermer and Carl Sagan's t]claims about magic thinking an pattern finding abilities in the brain.My evidence is I've seen people do this and done this myself. For example, even the trivial activity of watching sports has people hoping in a magical thinking kind of way for victory.

Human worship goes back eons. We have religious animal figures from 30000 years ago.

Another factor that I would consider is a human need to belong. This need, according to my theory is transfered to the natural world. We need to see ourselves in context of the tribe. We extend the tribe to a cosmic one.

It would be interesting to delve into the peer reviewed research on the matter at a later date.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Graybeard on May 30, 2012, 06:49:21 AM
corrected small typo.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Quesi on May 30, 2012, 07:28:07 AM
You could spend your Friday nights watching Ancient Aliens!  Lots to learn there.  A few weeks ago I posted about a really interesting episode. 

Last night I watched Ancient Aliens, which is my new Friday night tradition.  I don’t know why, but I really look forward to it.

One of last night’s episodes started out presenting the theory that NASA is overseen by the Freemasons, who are in fact the holders of great secrets passed down by the descendents of the ancient Egyptians who apparently documented the fact that their bloodlines can be traced back to the “sky gods” who were, of course, ancient aliens.  Apparently, it is all a secret plot by the people who can trace their bloodlines to the ancient aliens, and who are trying to go visit their great great great great to the umpteenth power grandparents. 

Evidence for this theory included two references to the number 33.  One early NASA flight took off on runway 33.  And there was something else about another 33 related to an early rocket launch.   And then there was an A on some symbol, which NASA claimed stood for Apollo, but which clearly refers to the Egyptian god in the bloodline.  And there were three dots near the letter A, which clearly depicted Orion’s belt, which is where these aliens came from. 

How can you dispute evidence like that?
  http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,22603.msg505340.html#msg505340
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: jaimehlers on May 31, 2012, 11:23:18 AM
Religion is fundamentally an attempt to explain something unknown out of what someone already knows.  No more, no less.  People have always done it, and probably always will do it.  The difference is that as our knowledge grows, we find it less necessary to invent actors to explain the unknown, although the actors which have already been invented will stick around for a long while.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Death over Life on May 31, 2012, 11:28:06 AM
The belief you mentioned is also heavily spouted in the History Channel series Ancient Aliens so you are not alone.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: One Above All on May 31, 2012, 11:55:54 AM
A theory requires evidence. Where's yours?
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: nogodsforme on May 31, 2012, 03:14:14 PM
Aliens have not been "revisiting us for centuries now". Because there is not a single shred of physical evidence supporting such an assertion.

Or are you going to claim that the aliens, or the US government, or the UN, or the Chinese, or the Freemasons, or the Trilateral Commission, or the Jewish bankers have been able to locate and hide every scrap of evidence, kidnap and silence every witness, divert every researcher, buy off every scientist and blackmail every official in the entire world for lo these many years?
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: rickymooston on May 31, 2012, 06:12:57 PM
Religion is fundamentally an attempt to explain something unknown out of what someone already knows.  No more, no less.  People have always done it, and probably always will do it.  The difference is that as our knowledge grows, we find it less necessary to invent actors to explain the unknown, although the actors which have already been invented will stick around for a long while.


Weird are on the rise. Science is a black box for most. Many great discoveries haver spawned new belief systems. New age, alien abduction, quantum mgic, the more we lean, the more to fuel those seeking something or those seeking a quick dollar
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Nam on June 01, 2012, 02:59:48 AM
Dude, you sure you're an atheist?

-Nam
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Anfauglir on June 01, 2012, 03:25:06 AM
Methinks DIC has left us. 

Given that he thinks his best qualification for joining the military is "i now some Army jargon" (sic), I can't say I'm surprised that he believes in regular alien visits.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Nam on June 01, 2012, 03:47:08 AM
The ARMY. WHERE ANYONE CAN JOIN, EVEN THE STUPID.[1]

-Nam
 1. this is not to say all who join or are in the Army are stupid.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: grant on June 01, 2012, 05:29:04 AM
dicko, religion started through fear of death.

Still goes on today, the fear.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: rickymooston on June 01, 2012, 05:53:51 PM
Aliens have not been "revisiting us for centuries now". Because there is not a single shred of physical evidence supporting such an assertion.

Or are you going to claim that the aliens, or the US government, or the UN, or the Chinese, or the Freemasons, or the Trilateral Commission, or the Jewish bankers have been able to locate and hide every scrap of evidence, kidnap and silence every witness, divert every researcher, buy off every scientist and blackmail every official in the entire world for lo these many years?

You cannotr objectively say there isno evidence

What you can say is, you've been made aware of any evidence and that some very knoledgible people who have looked have noot fopund anything conclusive
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Quesi on June 01, 2012, 07:11:41 PM
Ancient Aliens coming on the History Channel in 45 minutes in my corner of planet earth! 

Come on.  Who wants to join me in this perverse Friday night addition? 
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Nam on June 01, 2012, 08:48:26 PM
^I stopped watching TV a year or so ago. The only TV I watch is what's on DVD.

-Nam
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Backspace on June 01, 2012, 10:05:40 PM
Recently finished a 9-day road trip through the national parks of southern Utah, and saw lots of native American petroglyphs.  I gotta admit, many of the figures looked like otherworldly creatures.  But that's looking through my 21st century eyes. Settlers traveling cross-country 150 years ago probably would have completely different opinions of the figures, since space helmets, antennas, and aliens from outerspace hadn't been dreamt of yet.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Nam on June 02, 2012, 02:04:22 AM
Abstraction wasn't evented by Picasso.

-Nam
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: nogodsforme on June 03, 2012, 02:29:37 PM
Recently finished a 9-day road trip through the national parks of southern Utah, and saw lots of native American petroglyphs.  I gotta admit, many of the figures looked like otherworldly creatures.  But that's looking through my 21st century eyes. Settlers traveling cross-country 150 years ago probably would have completely different opinions of the figures, since space helmets, antennas, and aliens from outerspace hadn't been dreamt of yet.
True dat. I have seen pre-Columbian petroglyphs in caves that looked like people flying in airplanes. WTF? But what looks like a helmet to us might have been depicting dreams coming out of people's heads, and what we think is a spaceship could be showing that someone had bad body odor.  :?
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: 12 Monkeys on June 04, 2012, 09:51:55 AM
Guys,guys,guys,,,,as any Haida will tell you aliens had nothing to do with it.....the old man at the bottom of the sea gave The Raven some stones to blow on and throw as far as he could into the seas....these stones grew,then became the land we now live on....no aliens,no God just a pesky curious Raven

 He (the Raven) then stole the sun,moon and stars from boxes an old man had. The old man was hiding the light because he did not want to know if his daughter was ugly or not......everything you have now you owe to the Raven's curious nature and his insane appetite  That is all.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: inveni0 on June 08, 2012, 08:48:19 PM
Religion began as a very natural part of social evolution.  It gave us a way to separate into groups and follow agreed upon rules.  The problem with religion is that we are now advanced enough socially that religion is no longer needed.  In fact, it hinders our ability to be compassionate because of its inherent barriers.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: joebbowers on June 28, 2012, 03:42:10 AM
Sorry OP. Crock of crap, thouroughly and easily disproven.

Religion is the result of hyperactive agent detection. That's it, it's that simple.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Graybeard on June 28, 2012, 05:43:49 AM
Aliens have not been "revisiting us for centuries now". Because there is not a single shred of physical evidence supporting such an assertion.

Or are you going to claim that the aliens, or the US government, or the UN, or the Chinese, or the Freemasons, or the Trilateral Commission, or the Jewish bankers have been able to locate and hide every scrap of evidence, kidnap and silence every witness, divert every researcher, buy off every scientist and blackmail every official in the entire world for lo these many years?

You cannot objectively say there is no evidence
Looking at it objectively, I say, "There is no evidence."

Evidence is substantiated facts that logically support of a claim.

Let me tell you about Arnold Trimble, who, in 1732, claimed that cats heard through their legs. To prove this, he placed a cat on a table, and fired a pistol behind it - the cat ran away.

Trimble then cut off the cat's legs and did the same thing. The cat did not move, thus proving that cats hear through their legs.

Now, was there objective evidence that cats hear through their legs?

There are facts out there, but no evidence to ascribe them to aliens or even as proof of aliens.

For every event credited to aliens, it would be possible to substitute the word "fairy" for alien, and thus prove fairies.

Do you believe in fairies?

All of this Erich von Daniken rubbish is tiresome sloppy thinking designed to sell books to the gullible. Look on it as a tax on stupidity.


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What you can say is, you've been made aware of evidence and that some very knowledgeable people who have looked at it have not found anything conclusive
i.e. there is no evidence.
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: nogodsforme on June 28, 2012, 04:43:45 PM
Evidence of alien presence: A physical object that is of undeniably alien origin. Something made of materials or elements that are not present on earth, or an object that cannot be replicated on earth. The door handle from the spaceship. A scrap of fabric from the little guy's uniform. The anal probe he used on you.[1] Anything. That is all it would take. You don't even have to produce an alien being. Just any object that was brought here by one.

It is basically the same evidence we want for god or any supernatural force. Something that is clearly beyond the power of natural processes, something that violates scientific principles. Like, say, a person's amputated limb growing back.  &)
 1. Why are aliens so obsessed with the human rectum? You would think they would want to probe our brains. Or maybe they think that is what they are doing..... ;D
Title: Re: My theory regarding the True Origin of religion.
Post by: Wrec on July 02, 2012, 09:41:31 AM
Unless you have proof it's called a hypothesis. A theory is a hypothesis which has been proven to be true and has withstood falsification.

I'd be very interested on what facts you base your hypothesis, and what means of falsification you've used on your facts in order to establish if they point to your specific hypothesis, or if they equally well can explain some other hypothesis.

Also, with the risk of being rude and improper (in which case you have my deepest and heartfelt apologies), have you been reading von Däniken lately?

PS.
Also, please remember that it is the person making the claim that has to provide evidence. You can't prove that something that isn't, isn't, which is why us realists have such an easy time.