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Title: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: relativetruth on November 15, 2011, 09:26:08 AM
God knew that eventually, after Babel, he would scatter humans and provide each with their own language and other words for all the animals.
So God gave these other languages the words but Adam had to work it out for himself!

Did this god, after creating Adam, think 'what is the poor sucker going to do with himself?', 'maybe I should give him something to do?' [while I fine tune the Universe].

Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Samuelxcs on November 15, 2011, 09:35:41 AM
Apparently he named them all in just one day.

http://www.creationtips.com/adaminal.html

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Genesis 2:20 says Adam named the animals on the sixth day of creation week.

Many people say he couldn't name every animal in the world in just one day.

They are right.

But the Bible doesn't say Adam named all the animals. It says he named three groups — the cattle, the fowl of the air, and the beasts of the field.

He didn't name all the beasts of the earth (Genesis 1:25), or everything that creeps upon the earth (Genesis 1:25). He named only the domesticable animals, birds, and the smaller wild animals living near him.

It doesn't take long to name something “dinosaur”, “dog”, “horse”, “owl”, etc. Adam named only the major kinds, or groups. There are a lot of species of owl, for instance, but naming them all owls would be sufficient.

Five hours to name 3000 animals

The late Dr. Henry Morris pointed out in his Defender's Study Bible that it would have taken Adam only about five hours to name around 3000 basic kinds of animals (one every six seconds). This would have been adequate to acquaint Adam with those animals and also to show him there was none sufficiently like him to provide suitably close companionship.

Adam didn't have to go out looking for those animals to name either. Genesis 2:19 says God brought them to him. And remember — God created Adam perfect, so Adam's brain would have been sharper than ours is. He could have named every major group of cattle, bird, and beast of the field in hours.

That was fast...
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Fiji on November 15, 2011, 09:45:15 AM
In its never ending quest to reduce humans to mindless drones, the Quran takes a different approach.
There Allah takes Adam aside (away from the angels) and teaches him all the names of the animals. Then, Allah returns to the angels and challenges them to come up with the names of the animals and goes "Ha! you can't, can you?! Ya bunch of looooooosers! Go ask that lowly creature I made from dirt what they're called!"
Aaah, Allah, the only creature in all of fiction more evil than Biblegod.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Nick on November 15, 2011, 10:02:20 AM
Geesh, Give a God a break.  Does He have to do everything?  Adam needed something to keep him busy until Eve came around.  He could not just thump his .... all day and night. ;)
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: velkyn on November 15, 2011, 10:06:17 AM
I love how apologists simply ignore the bible when convenient and lie badly.

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19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

   But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

the naming is weird but it's weirder that God couldn't figure out that an aardvark wouldn't be a good mate for Adam.  :o

and Allah, indeed seems to be more of a bratty child than this Ywhw.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: relativetruth on November 15, 2011, 10:53:02 AM
I love how apologists simply ignore the bible when convenient and lie badly.

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19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

   But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

the naming is weird but it's weirder that God couldn't figure out that an aardvark wouldn't be a good mate for Adam.  :o

and Allah, indeed seems to be more of a bratty child than this Ywhw.

Did God make a female aardvark out of the rib of a male aardvark?
What about jellyfish? Do they have ribs?
All these questions..

I still don't know why naming was soo important! Who was Adam going to have a conversation with referring to , say, a duck-billed platypus.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: velkyn on November 15, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
Did God make a female aardvark out of the rib of a male aardvark?
What about jellyfish? Do they have ribs?
All these questions..

I still don't know why naming was soo important! Who was Adam going to have a conversation with referring to , say, a duck-billed platypus.

my god man, yuo've some up with yet a new problem in the bible! ;D

and I'm guessing that since many primitive cultures get hung up on how names supposedly give you power over things,   naming the critters would signify that Adam has that "dominion" thing over the world.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: relativetruth on November 15, 2011, 02:02:37 PM
I would like to know the name Adam used for a duck-billed platypus.

I hope that there is some theist somewhere who can answer this question.

I am not even asking how the platypus got to Australia from the Garden of Eden or why it survived the flood!
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: nogodsforme on November 15, 2011, 05:05:02 PM
Or even what language Adam used when he named them.....
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: jetson on November 15, 2011, 08:27:56 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if he named the crocoduck.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Backspace on November 17, 2011, 04:15:15 PM
I still don't know why naming was soo important! Who was Adam going to have a conversation with referring to , say, a duck-billed platypus.

Wasn't Adam supposed to pick an animal to be his "help meet"?  Probably easier to interact with a help meet when it has a name -- I imagine "Hey you" was rude even in Adam's day.

Oh, and don't forget: a bat is a bird.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: RaymondKHessel on November 17, 2011, 04:40:09 PM
This topic is great. It demonstrates, in a very simple and easy to read way, how these fables were never meant to be deconstructed, let alone by a 21st century mind.

It always struck me as weird that basically Yahweh had to re-design *EVERY* animal on Earth once Eve ate the magic fruit. I mean plenty of animals are clearly in pain during childbirth, so that curse carried over. So did dying, apparently.

And so did the whole "THINE BODY SHALT NO LONGER PROCESS NUTRIENTS PERFECTLY, AND SO TRULY I SAY UNTO YOU, THOU SHALT POOP AND PEE FOREVERMORE!!!" gimmick when he had to re-wire the bodies of every living thing to make room for a biological waste system.

That's a lot of buttholes to create over one little apple.

Anyway, I too wonder what the original naming system was. I doubt Adam was creative to come up with thinks like "Hippopotamus" or "Rhinosaurus" or "Albatross". I get the feeling everything would have been named "Oog" or "Ug-tug" or some derivitive. Tug-Ug, Oog-Ug, etc.

Seems like a complete waste of everybody's time in the wake of the Babel story, but hey, Yahweh's got a plan. And personally, I think it's total genius to make his plan appear exactly like an endless string of fuck-ups and misfires.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Historicity on November 17, 2011, 04:50:09 PM
What is queer is Dr. Morris trying to rationalize an obvious fairy tale as true.  I'm not as good as Adam.  If you presented me with 3000 objects, one every 6 seconds, and required me to make up a nonsense word I could do it.  But would I remember it the next day?  No.  Would I remember the nonsense word from 100 words back?  No.

Fairy tales are intended for children and we don't get into nasty, dirty sex except parenthetically.

So Adam's pal would be a help meet.  The fact that she would be a sex partner is avoided.

If you take it out of a fairy tale context you have God bringing these female animals to Adam and proposing bestiality.   The later Mosaic laws against bestiality are supposed to be God's Law.  But in this story God hadn't thought of it and picked it up from Adam's disapproval.


I once read a history of the Plymouth Colony called Saints and Strangers.  Late in life one of the patriarchs noted in his diary that he was going to take up the study of Hebrew so he could learn the names that Adam gave to the animals.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Brakeman on November 17, 2011, 09:49:03 PM
Did Adam name all the fish and whales too? All the crustaceans? All the insects? What about the poor amoebas? when did they get their name? Where did Adam catch his first STD?
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: velkyn on November 18, 2011, 11:07:15 AM
Did Adam name all the fish and whales too? All the crustaceans? All the insects? What about the poor amoebas? when did they get their name? Where did Adam catch his first STD?

::scratch:: ::scratch::  I shall name thee gonorrhea! 
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: nogodsforme on November 18, 2011, 03:09:59 PM
This topic is great. It demonstrates, in a very simple and easy to read way, how these fables were never meant to be deconstructed, let alone by a 21st century mind.

It always struck me as weird that basically Yahweh had to re-design *EVERY* animal on Earth once Eve ate the magic fruit. I mean plenty of animals are clearly in pain during childbirth, so that curse carried over. So did dying, apparently.

And so did the whole "THINE BODY SHALT NO LONGER PROCESS NUTRIENTS PERFECTLY, AND SO TRULY I SAY UNTO YOU, THOU SHALT POOP AND PEE FOREVERMORE!!!" gimmick when he had to re-wire the bodies of every living thing to make room for a biological waste system.

That's a lot of buttholes to create over one little apple.

Anyway, I too wonder what the original naming system was. I doubt Adam was creative to come up with thinks like "Hippopotamus" or "Rhinosaurus" or "Albatross". I get the feeling everything would have been named "Oog" or "Ug-tug" or some derivitive. Tug-Ug, Oog-Ug, etc.

Seems like a complete waste of everybody's time in the wake of the Babel story, but hey, Yahweh's got a plan. And personally, I think it's total genius to make his plan appear exactly like an endless string of fuck-ups and misfires.

I like the way your mind works. But you already knew that.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: pingnak on November 18, 2011, 05:04:22 PM
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/perry-the-platypus.jpg)
Why obviously he named the Platypus 'Perry'.

There are always 'explanations' (aka 'excuses'). 

How could he name all the critters in a day?  Eden didn't have that many.  What kind of paradise would have mosquitoes and bot flies and fire ants and honey badgers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: nogodsforme on November 18, 2011, 05:31:20 PM
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/perry-the-platypus.jpg)
Why obviously he named the Platypus 'Perry'.

There are always 'explanations' (aka 'excuses'). 

How could he name all the critters in a day?  Eden didn't have that many.  What kind of paradise would have mosquitoes and bot flies and fire ants and honey badgers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

I hereby order that all nature documentaries be narrated by the super bitchin' zoology expert commentator Randall: "Honey badger don't give a sh!t--eww, what's that, a mouse? He's eating a mouse. How disgusting is that." I would pay cash money for him to do voiceovers on everything on the Discovery Channel.  ;D
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Maxwell on November 19, 2011, 07:46:11 AM
I've never found the bit where Adam names the animals. Where does it say that?
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: monkeymind on November 19, 2011, 07:47:43 AM
Genesis 2:20
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Maxwell on November 19, 2011, 07:48:18 AM
Genesis 2:20

Sorry I'm not familiar with that. Yeah ok I'll find it.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: jetson on November 19, 2011, 07:49:38 AM
Genesis 2:20

Sorry I'm not familiar with that. Yeah ok I'll find it.

Just google it, Genesis 2:19-20.  And then read it.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: ungod on November 19, 2011, 04:02:47 PM
Genesis 2:20

Sorry I'm not familiar with that. Yeah ok I'll find it.

Just google it, Genesis 2:19-20.  And then read it.

So I read it:

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Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

and it raises all KINDS (sorry, Kent Hovind!) of questions.

1. What language did Adam name the animals in? After all, the Bible doesn't tell us what language Adam and St, er, Eve spoke!

2. Why would God have Adam name all  the animals when He knew that, according to His Plan, the tower of Babel thingie was scheduled not too far off, and all the animals would have to be named all over again in the new languages! What does this say about an "Omniscient" God!

3. It says Adam named the "livestock"! I thought Eden was a paradise, but here it is revealed that Adam and St, er, Eve had livestock to look after! Getting up early to milk the cows, herding sheep, butchering, feeding the livestock, shovelling manure...sheesh, what kind of paradise is that?

Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Brakeman on November 19, 2011, 04:14:23 PM
butchering, feeding the livestock, shovelling manure...sheesh, what kind of paradise is that?

Just to be clear, as there was no death in the garden of Eden, the animals that were "butchered" did not die, they lived on as skeletal zombies, and since there was no pain of sadness there either, the butchered animals "preferred" to be zombies as they liked it that way..

What's so odd about that?
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Backspace on November 19, 2011, 09:17:08 PM
1. What language did Adam name the animals in? After all, the Bible doesn't tell us what language Adam and St, er, Eve spoke!

The notes in my Bible say Yahweh, Adam, Eve, and the serpent spoke Esperanto.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Historicity on November 19, 2011, 10:05:50 PM
1. What language did Adam name the animals in? After all, the Bible doesn't tell us what language Adam and St, er, Eve spoke!

The notes in my Bible say Yahweh, Adam, Eve, and the serpent spoke Esperanto.

Nu...
Sed ili ne povas vokigxi denaskaj esperantistoj cxar ili ne naskigxis.

=
   Well...
   But they not can get-called from-birthy Esperantists because they not got-born.
=
   But they can't be called native speakers of Esperanto because there were not born.

(The joke loses in the translation.)
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Klokinator on November 20, 2011, 10:35:37 AM
In its never ending quest to reduce humans to mindless drones, the Quran takes a different approach.
There Allah takes Adam aside (away from the angels) and teaches him all the names of the animals. Then, Allah returns to the angels and challenges them to come up with the names of the animals and goes "Ha! you can't, can you?! Ya bunch of looooooosers! Go ask that lowly creature I made from dirt what they're called!"
Aaah, Allah, the only creature in all of fiction more evil than Biblegod.
Sounds more like allah is a cool homeboy prankster I'd be chill with hangin' out with.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Gnu Ordure on November 20, 2011, 11:40:00 AM
Ungod:
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Getting up early to milk the cows, herding sheep, butchering, feeding the livestock, shovelling manure...sheesh, what kind of paradise is that?
None of that would have been going on. Eden was vegetarian:

 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
 29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.


So after the Fall, certain species became carnivores - which must have been a bit of a shock for the newly-designated prey species.

Larry the Lamb: Hey, it's my good buddy Lenny the Lion. How ya doin', pal?
Lenny the Lion: <chomp>
Larry the Lamb: WTF? <dies>
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Brakeman on November 20, 2011, 11:52:43 AM
I was aware of that Gnu, I was waiting for someone to point that out as you did. Thanks.
However, Just what exactly would Adam and Even need livestock for if they weren't needed for food or milk?
 Really, it was the land of Milk and Honey, so what did you need sheep or cattle for? Lawn control??
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Babdah on November 20, 2011, 11:55:04 AM
I am confused, he named all the animals on earth but he did not name the dinosaurs or did god create the dinosaurs before adam and eve?   
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Gnu Ordure on November 20, 2011, 01:57:44 PM
Brakeman:
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I was aware of that Gnu, I was waiting for someone to point that out as you did. Thanks.
However, Just what exactly would Adam and Even need livestock for if they weren't needed for food or milk?

They wouldn't need them for anything.

So the idea of having domesticated animals in Eden is an anachronism unthinkingly introduced into Genesis by its writer.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: pingnak on November 20, 2011, 02:11:49 PM
I am confused, he named all the animals on earth but he did not name the dinosaurs or did god create the dinosaurs before adam and eve?   

There are at least two schools of thought that I'm aware of. 

1. Man and dinosaurs lived together, and apparently they didn't fit on the Ark, or something.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=797_1172611796

2. Fossils are buried by the devil to fool people.

(http://sciencenotes.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/controversy-devil.gif?w=190&h=190)
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: ungod on November 20, 2011, 03:08:58 PM
I am confused, he named all the animals on earth but he did not name the dinosaurs or did god create the dinosaurs before adam and eve?   

There are at least two schools of thought that I'm aware of. 

1. Man and dinosaurs lived together, and apparently they didn't fit on the Ark, or something.


(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ksjc8nX4Wo1qzlsddo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: relativetruth on November 20, 2011, 04:15:32 PM
So after the Fall, certain species became carnivores - which must have been a bit of a shock for the newly-designated prey species.

Tyrannosaurus Rex must have also being a bit surprised! I wonder what vegetation it used to eat before its 'The Hulk' like personality change.

Also sharks and crocodiles.  Was it fresh water or salt water in the Garden of Eden?
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: One Above All on November 20, 2011, 04:19:04 PM
Also sharks and crocodiles.  Was it fresh water or salt water in the Garden of Eden?

Only holy water is allowed in the Garden!
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: relativetruth on November 20, 2011, 05:23:06 PM
Is Holy Water salty or fresh?
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: One Above All on November 20, 2011, 05:43:56 PM
Is Holy Water salty or fresh?

Holy water is holy[1], so it is neither salty nor fresh.
 1. Perfect.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Gnu Ordure on November 20, 2011, 05:45:32 PM
relative truth:
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Tyrannosaurus Rex must have also being a bit surprised!
Well, I suppose so; but as a prey species myself, I find it a little difficult to empathize with my oppressors.

But if you force me to consider it, I guess it can't be very nice to have to survive by regularly sinking your teeth into the living flesh of sentient beings, causing extreme terror and pain in the process.

But to be honest, it's worse being on the receiving end. 
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: used to believe on December 02, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
I guess sonce he didnt have a large vocabulary, he didnt have the words to name all the 6 trillion animals and insects that have come and gone over the billions of years the Earth has been around
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: kin hell on December 02, 2011, 07:54:13 PM
Nor was he consistent

Where is the animal called a "swim"?
Or a "walk"?
(I suppose antelope comes close)

So how lazy was he in naming a fly?

Must have been the same lazy (and wrong) name calling fool who called this planet Earth. 
(I suppose it could've been worse, he could've named it "Soil")




Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: jynnan tonnix on December 02, 2011, 09:28:02 PM
 
(I suppose it could've been worse, he could've named it "Soil")

Or "dirt", even.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: jaimehlers on December 05, 2011, 10:09:35 AM
Adam got to name all the animals because that gave him authority and dominance over them.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: relativetruth on December 05, 2011, 01:59:10 PM
Adam got to name all the animals because that gave him authority and dominance over them.

Unfortunately that skill was not passed down to Adam's descendants?

The next time I see a lion in the wild I don't think I am going to try saying

'I know you are a lion and you don't know what I mean by that term and because of that ignorance you have not right to eat me!!'.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: jaimehlers on December 05, 2011, 05:13:22 PM
No, it was more along the lines of dominion.  Animals don't care, of course, it's an excuse so that people can do whatever they want with animals.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: jynnan tonnix on December 05, 2011, 05:57:21 PM
I suppose, at the time it was written, there could have been the belief in the "real ", mystical name of something which gave you power (dominion) over it. Isn't that a fairly common superstition? Alas, these names were lost in the Tower of Babel incident, when the original language Adam and Eve spoke disappeared.

It would kind of fit into the mythology...probably has something to do with speaking in tongues as well.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Fiji on December 06, 2011, 03:02:02 AM
I suppose, at the time it was written, there could have been the belief in the "real ", mystical name of something which gave you power (dominion) over it. Isn't that a fairly common superstition?

Ursula Le Guin uses this in her Earthsea series.
A mage/priest/cleric type tells you your real name when you become an adult. You don't tell anyone this name because it gives them power over you ... telling a love interest your real name is a massive deal, massiver even than telling them "I love you".
Learning the names of things is a separate subject at magic school (forgot what it's actually called in the books)
Along the same vein ... at one point in the books, dragons lose their ability to speak and become dumb beasts because of it.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: jynnan tonnix on December 06, 2011, 07:52:11 AM
It's a big factor in Patrick Rothfuss' Kingkiller Chronicles as well.
Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: Historicity on December 06, 2011, 09:28:49 AM
I thought the True Name thing was Egyptian.

For instance, in Egyptian mythology a woman named Isis learned magic and the trick of how to turn a snake into a stick.  She left the poisonous snakestick where a God (Ra or Amen, I don't remember) would walk out in the morning.  The snake revived and bit him.  He called for other Gods to come rescue him.  But the woman came right to his side and said she could cure him but had to know his True Name.  He did and she, by speaking it, gained Godly power and became (or became one with) the Goddess Isis.

Besides snakes into staffs and reverse, another power attributed to Egyptian magicians was the power to part waters so they would stand like walls held back by force fields.

BTW, Ptah created the Earth in 7 days.

Egyptians had purification rituals of someone immersing himself in the Nile.

The ancient Egyptian temples remained open until a Christian Roman Emperor closed them.  One Egyptian Christian, Anthony, became a hermit meditating in the desert when he was set upon by demons.  His demons are portrayed as a mixture of animal and human -- which is the Egyptian representation of their Gods and demons.  Demons had been regarded as dark angels but were portrayed as monsters afterwards.

Title: Re: Why did Adam have to name all the animals?
Post by: fishjie on December 06, 2011, 09:38:28 PM
so i dont really see what the big deal with dinosaurs is.

the bible doesn't really mention them, but why would it need to?

a creationist will simply state that the flood wiped em all out, and that god used his magic powers to prevent them from eating humans pre-flood.   oh and of course, satan used his magic powers to confound carbon dating methods to fool non believers.