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Title: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: relativetruth on June 21, 2011, 02:06:19 PM
If you Google the question you will find many plausible possible explanations from an evolutionary point of view?

I would like to know how creationists answer this question?
After all was not woman made after the creation of the first man. What use would Adam have for nipples?

All fetuses start off as a generic female it is only after further development when the Y chromasome kicks in and the fetus changes to male.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on June 21, 2011, 02:11:19 PM
'Cause God has nipples.   ;D
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: mram on June 21, 2011, 02:12:35 PM
Satandidit to tempt gay men.  >:(
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Nick on June 21, 2011, 02:21:48 PM
So they could pierce them. ;)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on June 21, 2011, 02:24:20 PM
so men can get breast cancer too!   :P  What a great guy, that God, always making folks equal.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Tykster on June 21, 2011, 02:25:10 PM
If you Google the question you will find many plausible possible explanations from an evolutionary point of view?

I would like to know how creationists answer this question?
After all was not woman made after the creation of the first man. What use would Adam have for nipples?

All fetuses start off as a generic female it is only after further development when the Y chromasome kicks in and the fetus changes to male.

(my bold) I don't think that this is true. I used to think the same but during some recent reading I was informed differently.I'll try and find the source......

EDIT : Ok, the fetus reference is true. I was getting confused because they are already male or female at the DNA level.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: LadyLucy on June 21, 2011, 02:45:23 PM
So that others can pinch them where it hurts, rather than kick/punch. :)

[For some reason, that seems to be a guy thing. Pinching nipples. And then they go whining about how much it hurts if one guy does it.]

Really though, I think God did it for laughs. He was drunk with his wife.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jedweber on June 21, 2011, 03:52:48 PM
I would like to know how creationists answer this question?

Here's one who tries:

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Male nipples prove evolution?
http://creation.com/male-nipples-prove-evolution
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: mram on June 21, 2011, 08:57:25 PM
Men have nipples so that when we're alone and feeling "frisky" we can pretend there's a little more there and some of us (not me) actually have a little more there.. Mine are kind of like a male dog's nipples.. Not much hair, but you really gotta look to find them..Kind of like another part I won't mention.. .... .....OK..I give..My little toe's nails.. Really small.  ;D
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jaimehlers on June 21, 2011, 11:58:19 PM
All fetuses start off as a generic female it is only after further development when the Y chromasome kicks in and the fetus changes to male.
I think it would be better to say that fetuses start in a non-gendered state, so up until the point where sexual differentiation starts to happen, they develop pretty much the same way.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jedweber on June 22, 2011, 05:42:54 AM
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Did Adam have nipples?

Quite possibly, since nipples are especially sensitive and are a source of sexual stimuli. Since they have a function, they are consistent with a design explanation. They do not seem analogous to the navel, which is simply a scar where the human was once attached via the umbilical cord to his or her mother. So Adam and Eve would probably have lacked navels because they didn’t have mothers.
...
The only explanations consistent with evolution are that humans evolved from an all-female species, or that males once helped to breast-feed their babies.

http://creation.com/male-nipples-prove-evolution

So there it is. Male nipples are evidence FOR creation, and against evolution! God gave Adam nipples to help him get his rocks off with Eve. And this guy must be right, he has a PhD!
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Fiji on June 22, 2011, 06:41:37 AM
nipples? Forget the nipples ... did Adam have a BELLY BUTTON?!

If he did, than that must have been because he was created in god's image and god had one too ...
proving that god had a mother ...
whom we never hear about ...
until we get a few thousand years further on when god, in the form of a ghost has sex with his own mom and fathers himself ...
you know, this goes a long way to explaining god's behavior in the old testament
(and here I was thinking Red Dwarf's Ouroboros story line was convoluted!)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on June 22, 2011, 08:33:05 AM
Always entertaining to see someone who has no background in biology, let alone evolutionary theory, attack it.  Woo, Dr. Sarfati, superconductors are just soooooo much like biology.  :P  And what a liar for Christ. 
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The only explanations consistent with evolution are that humans evolved from an all-female species, or that males once helped to breast-feed their babies.

I also love how they beg for money
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Manna from heaven? Because this site and the information it contains is free, you might think so. However, lots of hard work went into producing it. Your gifts help to produce this ‘manna’ for others.
Why doesn't God give the "manna"?  Why do they need to beg?  Funny how this flies in the face of the magic Bible itself.  ;D
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jedweber on June 22, 2011, 08:44:27 AM
I just love that his design argument for male nipples is based on "sensitivity" and "sexual stimuli!" I thought Christians believed that sex was intended only for procreation. But in fact, God had hot nipple play in mind?

(Now I'm picturing Dr. Sarfati in nipple clamps, telling his wife "Yeah, baby, do my nipples as God intended!!!" )  :o
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: mram on June 22, 2011, 10:56:19 AM
There's a perfectly valid reason god gave men sensitive nipples.. He wanted men to be able to detect whenever a 'homo' was sneaking up from behind playing with them..  &) They're nothing more than little "homo' detection devices.  I guess that would explain also why my ass it kind of ticklish ..
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: pmon1 on October 08, 2011, 05:37:26 PM
http://menshealth.about.com/od/conditions/a/Nipples_Men.htm

They are from the female X chromosome, however, given enough selection pressure if females were reduced to a small number and were lots of babies. Men may be able to produce milk
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: 12 Monkeys on October 08, 2011, 10:31:40 PM
nipples give my other hand something to do.....I beat it like it owes me money
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Samuelxcs on October 09, 2011, 07:40:48 AM
I don't know why men have nipples, they can't breastfeed a child, but women can because theirs are bigger.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Mr. Blackwell on October 09, 2011, 08:14:44 AM
I don't know why men have nipples, they can't breastfeed a child, but women can because theirs are bigger.

Is that an attempt at humor?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Samuelxcs on October 09, 2011, 08:18:00 AM
Is that an attempt at humor?

If that was an attempt at humor to you then you have a weird sense of humor. It is the truth, that is all. I don't know why anyone would think that was humorous.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Mr. Blackwell on October 09, 2011, 09:19:03 PM
If that was an attempt at humor to you then you have a weird sense of humor.

I do indeed have a weird sense of humor.

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It is the truth, that is all. I don't know why anyone would think that was humorous.

It's funny because the size of the women's nipples have no bearing on their ability to produce milk. Especially if you are suggesting that the difference in size is what differentiates the ability of men breast feeding vs. women breastfeeding. If you know how absurd it is and said it on purpose then I get that sort of humor. If you are ignorant about anatomy then it is still funny, but for different reasons. 
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ivellios on October 10, 2011, 03:08:17 AM
I don't know why men have nipples, they can't breastfeed a child, but women can because theirs are bigger.

Clearly no understanding of Biology and mammary glands.

Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Nam on October 10, 2011, 09:55:29 AM
We have them to masturbate to in the mirror when we can't get a girl.

-Nam
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Samuelxcs on October 10, 2011, 10:03:54 AM

Clearly no understanding of Biology and mammary glands.

Exactly!
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: One Above All on October 10, 2011, 10:05:14 AM

Clearly no understanding of Biology and mammary glands.

Exactly!

...You do know that TS was talking about you, right?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Samuelxcs on October 10, 2011, 10:12:29 AM

...You do know that TS was talking about you, right?

I realize that, but I never learnt Biology or knew about mammary glands, but I never implied that the size of a woman's breasts means more milk or whatever he may thought I was saying. I was talking about men having nipples and women having nipples and the idea of women not showing theirs like men do because the women's are larger. This subject "Why do men have nipples?" is like asking "Why do women have nipples?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: One Above All on October 10, 2011, 10:19:37 AM
I realize that, but I never learnt Biology or knew about mammary glands

Which is clearly evidenced by your statements in this thread

but I never implied that the size of a woman's breasts means more milk or whatever he may thought I was saying.

No, you just implied (almost to the point of inferring) that only women can breastfeed because their breasts are bigger. You shouldn't talk about things you don't know anything about like you actually know something about them

I was talking about men having nipples and women having nipples and the idea of women not showing theirs like men do because the women's are larger.

It appears you also have never learned English. Here's your statement:
I don't know why men have nipples, they can't breastfeed a child, but women can because theirs are bigger.

Now, if that doesn't mean "women can breastfeed because they have bigger breasts[1] then I have to review my knowledge of the English language

This subject "Why do men have nipples?" is like asking "Why do women have nipples?

No it's not. Once again, don't talk about something you have zero knowledge about as if you knew what you're talking about
 1. I assume you meant breasts, since saying that women having bigger nipples is responsible for their ability to breastfeed is ridiculous, even for someone with zero knowledge of biology
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Samuelxcs on October 10, 2011, 10:25:43 AM

No, you just implied (almost to the point of inferring) that only women can breastfeed because their breasts are bigger. You shouldn't talk about things you don't know anything about like you actually know something about them

I was just talking about that, not like I thought I knew something about it.


Now, if that doesn't mean "women can breastfeed because they have bigger breasts[1] then I have to review my knowledge of the English language

All I meant by that is I don't know how a man with a child could breastfeed the baby if the nipples can't get in the baby's mouth.


No it's not. Once again, don't talk about something you have zero knowledge about as if you knew what you're talking about
 1. I assume you meant breasts, since saying that women having bigger nipples is responsible for their ability to breastfeed is ridiculous, even for someone with zero knowledge of biology

I will try not to.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: One Above All on October 10, 2011, 10:29:31 AM
I was just talking about that, not like I thought I knew something about it.

When you make a statement, people expect you to actually know what the hell you're talking about. Otherwise, you just look like an idiot

All I meant by that is I don't know how a man with a child could breastfeed the baby if the nipples can't get in the baby's mouth.

You don't actually have to get something in your mouth to suck it. You can simply put your lips around it
And, once again, that is most clearly not what was written. You should try writing what you mean
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Samuelxcs on October 10, 2011, 10:31:45 AM

You don't actually have to get something in your mouth to suck it. You can simply put your lips around it
And, once again, that is most clearly not what was written. You should try writing what you mean

People should stick to bottle feeding instead. I will write exactly what I mean in the future so I don't have to clarify anything after that.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Zankuu on October 10, 2011, 10:34:08 AM
Will this anti-nipple explanation for avoiding skin feature anything other than "I think human contact is gross"?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Samuelxcs on October 10, 2011, 10:38:48 AM
Will this anti-nipple explanation for avoiding skin feature anything other than "I think human contact is gross"?

Maybe not.

If men have nipples for breastfeeding then this question has an obvious answer.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Zankuu on October 10, 2011, 10:43:49 AM
If men have nipples for breastfeeding then this question has an obvious answer.

If men's nipples don't produce milk to breastfeed, then men's nipples don't serve the function of breastfeeding.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: plethora on October 10, 2011, 10:52:42 AM
Please ... not another thread arguing with Samuelxcs about basic human biology and how gross it is!  :police:
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Zankuu on October 10, 2011, 10:55:13 AM
*slowly steps away*
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: relativetruth on October 10, 2011, 12:02:48 PM
How did my OP involving evolution get degraded to this... :( :-\ :'( :? :blank:?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Mr. Blackwell on October 10, 2011, 12:07:34 PM
How did my OP involving evolution get degraded to this... :( :-\ :'( :? :blank:?

I do believe it started with my reaction to this statement


I don't know why men have nipples, they can't breastfeed a child, but women can because theirs are bigger.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: plethora on October 10, 2011, 12:17:28 PM
My wife's nipples have gone from puffy 17 years ago to ihop friggin' pancake nipples today ... having a kid did have an impact tho. My nipples remain small and unchanged. Just thought I'd share that.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Gnu Ordure on October 10, 2011, 12:40:57 PM
Zankuu:
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If men's nipples don't produce milk to breastfeed, then men's nipples don't serve the function of breastfeeding.
One theory is that men used to breastfeed; the evidence is that many males do lactate:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-males-can-lactate&sc=rss

Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Zankuu on October 10, 2011, 03:46:35 PM
Zankuu:
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If men's nipples don't produce milk to breastfeed, then men's nipples don't serve the function of breastfeeding.
One theory is that men used to breastfeed; the evidence is that many males do lactate:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-males-can-lactate&sc=rss

That article is gnu to me, but I think you use the word many far too precariously. If many males lactate then I have many nipples to do it with.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ivellios on October 10, 2011, 05:34:39 PM
this question has an obvious answer.

If you had simply googled the seed I gave you, and looked at the wiki, you would know.

That neither nipple or breast size has any real bearing on whether a woman is able to breast feed. At birth the breasts are ready, if the demand is there, it produces. If not, it shuts down. Since human men do not give birth[1]. There is no 'trigger' for men to start producing, so therefore there's no need for nipples.

It is true that there are anomalys, both in men and women, but it is far from the norm.

So far outside the norm that if a woman lactates, it is understandable to assume she's been pregnant.

So far outside the norm that if a woman is/was pregnant, it is understandable to assume she's not a virgin.

Did it ever get to the point of Joseph holding the stone, then stating he's going to marry her anyways[2]? Or was it before the 'lifting of the skirt' err "examination"?



 1. Due to your aparrent lack of knowledge in the field of human reproduction, I really don't know if you knew this or not.
 2. I saw this 'version' in a film
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: ungod on October 10, 2011, 06:22:02 PM
nipples? Forget the nipples ... did Adam have a BELLY BUTTON?!

If he did, than that must have been because he was created in god's image and god had one too ...
proving that god had a mother ...
whom we never hear about ...
until we get a few thousand years further on when god, in the form of a ghost has sex with his own mom and fathers himself ...
you know, this goes a long way to explaining god's behavior in the old testament
(and here I was thinking Red Dwarf's Ouroboros story line was convoluted!)
You forgot to mention God's mom's virginity when He was born! It's all so confusing...my head hurts.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Illuminatus99 on October 20, 2011, 05:19:54 AM
Jesus put them there to confuse the dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: orpat on March 13, 2012, 07:54:55 AM





If we consider that Evolution had a purpose, then what purpose do male nipples serve in the 21st century?

The immediate example which comes to mind are Transsexuals, i.e. those guys after deciding they were girls, decided to go for a sex-change operation. Now they would obviously want a boob-job too. Now what's the use of breasts with no nipples? ;D

Now, the role of evolution could be that evolution wants to remove the distinction between man and woman. So, going by this trend, we might see more women in future and lesser males. Eventually man will become extinct and and only women will exist.  :'(

This would mean no use of sex for reproduction(already recent scientific developments have claimed that sex for reproduction won't be needed in future.)

Eventually, humanity will turn to asexual reproduction.  :o



So, as we can see, male nipples do have a role in Evolution.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: rockv12 on March 14, 2012, 12:03:31 AM
Because.  Why do we have hair on the top of our head?  And under our armpits?  God put them there.  If this is your proof that God doesn't exist, I'd hold out for a better reason if eternity depends on it.....
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: naemhni on March 14, 2012, 05:14:31 AM
If this is your proof that God doesn't exist, I'd hold out for a better reason if eternity depends on it.....

Come on, Rocky... Pascal's Wager?  Really?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on March 14, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
Because.  Why do we have hair on the top of our head?  And under our armpits?  God put them there.  If this is your proof that God doesn't exist, I'd hold out for a better reason if eternity depends on it.....

Indeed, PD. This seems to be all that rockv has, that poor excuse of Pascal's wager, the theist's hope that they've chosen the right god to worship and its partner hope that people will be punished by their invisible friend because they dared to disbelieve the claims of the theist.   

Actual evidence seems beyond you, rockv.  Shall I say that Isis put the hair there?  Or maybe Hanuman?  Or Raven put it there as a joke? 
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ivellios on March 14, 2012, 01:10:12 PM
Because.  Why do we have hair on the top of our head?  And under our armpits?  God put them there.  If this is your proof that God doesn't exist, I'd hold out for a better reason if eternity depends on it.....

Honestly, I'd rather worship Ishtar: Goddess of Life and Fertility, than a powermongering sadistic psycopathic control freak.

P.S. She's more fun too.  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on March 14, 2012, 02:34:21 PM
She's goddess of war too.  Much more fun than YWHW, and probably looks like this:

(http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/15579/Lynn-Collins-stars-as-Dejah-Thoris-in-John-Carter.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Cyberia on March 14, 2012, 04:01:39 PM
Can we see her nipples?   Purely for scientific verification, of course.

Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: rockv12 on March 14, 2012, 06:44:19 PM
Because.  Why do we have hair on the top of our head?  And under our armpits?  God put them there.  If this is your proof that God doesn't exist, I'd hold out for a better reason if eternity depends on it.....

Honestly, I'd rather worship Ishtar: Goddess of Life and Fertility, than a powermongering sadistic psycopathic control freak.

P.S. She's more fun too.  ;) ;) ;)

Ok, Geez nevermind.  I answered the question.  And if you are using it as proof that God doesn't exist...then ok.  But why would a person come into this forum and ask such a question?  To simply laugh at a Christian answer?  However you get your kicks, I guess..
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: One Above All on March 14, 2012, 06:46:00 PM
rockv12, I'm guessing that 12 is either your age or the year you were born in (1912), because "subtle" just isn't your thing.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: rockv12 on March 14, 2012, 06:51:23 PM
rockv12, I'm guessing that 12 is either your age or the year you were born in (1912), because "subtle" just isn't your thing.

Lucifer,  lol.  I'm a rock climber, thus "rock".  V12 is a rating of a rock for the difficulty of the climb.  V12 is pretty darn hard to climb, and I only wish I was that strong!  Makes people think the name is Rocky.  That's a cool one too, I guess.  I would hope I don't sound like a 12 year old... 
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: ILOVEYOU on March 14, 2012, 11:01:31 PM
If you Google the question you will find many plausible possible explanations from an evolutionary point of view?

I would like to know how creationists answer this question?
After all was not woman made after the creation of the first man. What use would Adam have for nipples?

All fetuses start off as a generic female it is only after further development when the Y chromasome kicks in and the fetus changes to male.

Because we would look really weird without them.

Although they can be quite sensitive.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: ungod on March 15, 2012, 06:53:57 AM
If you Google the question you will find many plausible possible explanations from an evolutionary point of view?

I would like to know how creationists answer this question?
After all was not woman made after the creation of the first man. What use would Adam have for nipples?

All fetuses start off as a generic female it is only after further development when the Y chromasome kicks in and the fetus changes to male.

Because we would look really weird without them.

Although they can be quite sensitive.

Oh, bollocks. God, with His total foreknowledge of future fashion trends, included male nipples in His Plan.

(http://www.bodyjewelleryshop.com/gallery/data/510/medium/IMG_0108.JPG)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on March 15, 2012, 09:01:22 AM
Ok, Geez nevermind.  I answered the question.  And if you are using it as proof that God doesn't exist...then ok.  But why would a person come into this forum and ask such a question?  To simply laugh at a Christian answer?  However you get your kicks, I guess..

you claimed that your God put hair where it is.  Please show it was your god.  If you can't, it seems your claim is indeed baseless and your god is just as imaginary as all of the rest. 

The question seems silly, however it does point out how theists don't have evidence for their claims and how their claims are remarkably similar.  Since there is no evidence of your god, or any other god, I have little reason to think that any religion is right or that any gods exist at all.   

I do laugh at how Christians often don't think through their claims. When I was a Christian myself, I didn't either, and when I realized how much my faith depended on ignorance I did all I could to remedy that.  That theists don't do this, even after being shown the problems with their religion, makes me roll my eyes. 

When you look at other religions, and realize that none of them have evidence for their claims, that does quite a job at showing one that the supernatural does not exist by showing that each has similar claims, each claims that its version is the truth and that they are contradictory. 
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ivellios on March 15, 2012, 10:38:53 AM
She's goddess of war too.  Much more fun than YWHW, and probably looks like this:
<snip>

RAWR!

I forgot that aspect too.

Ok, Geez nevermind.  I answered the question.  And if you are using it as proof that God doesn't exist...then ok.  But why would a person come into this forum and ask such a question?  To simply laugh at a Christian answer?  However you get your kicks, I guess..

I pointed out that there were gods long before Jesus, or for that matter YHWH even walked onto the scene. YHWH even admits to there being other gods, yet demands sole worship. He's like a 2 year old throwing a temper-tantrum. Even though these other gods existed long before him, he then claims to have many of thier attributes... but really, does he? Then he claims to have always existed and be the REAL god. The reason we ask this: is because, as noted, thousands of gods have claimed to have created the world... even Allah. So, unless you can prove it was really the christian god, we must dismiss the claims to be equal to that of Allah's claim.

You have not answered this question. You say that everything points to your god, but every god says that! If we were to take your god's word for it, we'd have to take every god's word for it. As I mentioned before, with all gods being equal in claims, I'd rather worship one I actually like, rather being coerced to follow one.

Edit: ie. Proof or Ishtar is the True God(ess)!
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Turbo SS on March 15, 2012, 03:23:54 PM
Because.  Why do we have hair on the top of our head?  And under our armpits?  God put them there.  If this is your proof that God doesn't exist, I'd hold out for a better reason if eternity depends on it.....

Honestly, I'd rather worship Ishtar: Goddess of Life and Fertility, than a powermongering sadistic psycopathic control freak.

P.S. She's more fun too.  ;) ;) ;)

Ok, Geez nevermind.  I answered the question.  And if you are using it as proof that God doesn't exist...then ok.  But why would a person come into this forum and ask such a question?  To simply laugh at a Christian answer?  However you get your kicks, I guess..

So why did God give men nipples?  Thats the real question.  Why would he do that?  Or are you just going to cop out with the "God works in mysterious ways" excuse?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: rockv12 on March 15, 2012, 05:54:36 PM
You have not answered this question. You say that everything points to your god, but every god says that! If we were to take your god's word for it, we'd have to take every god's word for it. As I mentioned before, with all gods being equal in claims, I'd rather worship one I actually like, rather being coerced to follow one.


Every God has the proof my God does?  Show me this.  Why is my God so "unlikeable"?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: rockv12 on March 15, 2012, 05:56:09 PM
I do laugh at how Christians often don't think through their claims. When I was a Christian myself, I didn't either, and when I realized how much my faith depended on ignorance I did all I could to remedy that.  That theists don't do this, even after being shown the problems with their religion, makes me roll my eyes. 

On ignorance?  Did you ever study apologetics? 
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Fiji on March 16, 2012, 04:36:53 AM
You have not answered this question. You say that everything points to your god, but every god says that! If we were to take your god's word for it, we'd have to take every god's word for it. As I mentioned before, with all gods being equal in claims, I'd rather worship one I actually like, rather being coerced to follow one.


Every God has the proof my God does? 

Lets see ... your god has zero proof and every other god has zero proof ... so, yeah, every god has the proof your god does.

Show me this. 

Erm, nope, we're the atheists, remember? We're not claiming the existance of ANY gods. Not yours, not any of the thousands of others.

Why is my God so "unlikeable"?

With the possible exception of Radegast, all gods are unlikeable.
You're not being singled out, btw. If a member of the allah-fanclub or a vishnu groupie shows up here making baseless claims, don't worry, we'll debunk those too.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on March 16, 2012, 09:29:36 AM
On ignorance?  Did you ever study apologetics?
Yep, I know Christian apologetics quite well.  It's hilarious that a whole industry had to be invented to excuse this supposedly omnipotent, omniscient inability to communicate anything clearly.  It's also great since it gives lots of great evidence on how Christians all think their personal interpretation is the only "right" one.

Like so many Christians, you want to claim that your and only your god is responsible for the universe.  You want to claim that “Looky, see that my bible says this: Romans 1: 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” so that means that you can see him in the world.”  What your ignorance doesn’t allow you to consider is that most, if not all, religions claim this exact thing.   

You have no more evidence than any other theist that your god even exists, much less created anything.  Christian apologetics is based on the need for you to try to correct the failures of your religion.  You need to do acrobatics to try to claim your god has any more validity than the next.  Right now, I’m discussing Christianity with a Christian who wants to claim that Aquinas’ First Cause argument is evidence that the Christian god exists.  Well, that fails since all it does is special pleading and doesn’t even require the “first cause” to be the bible god at all. He’s also tried other Aquinian arguments which are so very bad since they postulate that as long as humans can imagine something, it “must” exist.  Wow, that means that all gods then exist, that Harry Potter must exist, that there must indeed be a lovely silver tea service in orbit around Zeta Reticuli.  Do you see how ridiculous this is? 

And yes, every god has the evidence your god does.  I assume you disagree. So present the evidence that you think only applies to your god.   AS for why your god is so “unlikeable”, well, there is that petty thing about assigning infinite punishment for finite “sins”.   There’s that problem with genocide on anyone who doesn’t worship it.  There’s the problem of the utter unjustness and unfairness of your god.  There’s the problem of it supporting slavery, and on and on and on.  It’s just one more Bronze/Iron Age deity, just a very powerful beign with petty human emotions and actions.  It’s no better than any other god from the time period.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ivellios on March 16, 2012, 09:36:04 AM
Every God has the proof my God does?  Show me this.  Why is my God so "unlikeable"?

Seriously? You think Christianity is the only religion that there is/are god(s) that created the Earth, the universe, every living thing? Every religion has a god or gods that created everything. Did you ignore my previous points? The sun exists therefore Ra exists, the sun is proof of Ra. The sun points to Ra. The invisible qualities of Ra can be seen by the visible qualities of the sun.... blah, blah, blah. No matter what you can come up with, there were other religions thousands of years before yours spouting out the same stuff. Our question remains the same: How do we know yours is the REAL god if your god has just as much proof as all the other gods?

Do you not get this? Every creator god claims to have created the Earth. They cannot all be correct, but they can all be wrong. Since they all claim the same thing, it cannot be included in as proof unless there's something else to identify them as the creator.

Example:

You find a wallet on the ground. Since wallets are not normally on the ground, it had to have gotten there somehow. You ask, "Who's wallet is this?"

Vishnu: Mine!
Buddah: Mine!
Allah: Mine!
YHWH: Mine!
Jesus: Mine!
Pope: Mine!

So who does it belong to? In order to find out, you have to find some other qualifier to determine the owner, luckilly for us wallets normally have an ID in it. But, alas, no ID was found. No god left thier 'ID' anywhere in existence. That's why apologists say that he's, "outside of space and time." To make excuses... however this is actually a bad example because wallets do not occur naturally. The reason I used this example is because wallets are obviously human made and are known to have ownership when not on a shelf in a store.

That's the point of this site, trying to find the 'ID' of god, but for WWGHA specifically, the christian god. With this question being very relevant because outside of evolution, creationism, men having nipples makes no sense. Why people hit puberty as early as 12 when they have to wait and abstain till 18 to marry without needing parental conscent. With an All-Powerful god, this make no sense, but with evolution and the long timeframe that evolution needs, it does.

So, where is specifically your god's 'ID'? That cannot be claimed to be any other god's 'ID.' That no other god has claimed to be thier 'ID.'

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As to know why people don't like YHWH, Jesus, 'God.' Well, there's the whole trinity thing right? Jesus was there from the beginning, whenever 'God' ordered something, Jesus was in complete agreement with the father, otherwise it would have said, "God the father commands Joshua to slaughter every male villager regardless of age, including infants, and every woman that does not have an intact hymen to be put to death by the sword, while those that do are to be rounded up and forced to sleep with the men who killed thier families." << sure, it isn't exact wording, but read between the lines, after all, what woman would want to be the wife and have sex with the man that killed her family?

Oh, and that's 'God' playing nice, just wait till they get nasty. 
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Illuminatus99 on March 29, 2012, 07:47:46 PM
http://menshealth.about.com/od/conditions/a/Nipples_Men.htm

They are from the female X chromosome, however, given enough selection pressure if females were reduced to a small number and were lots of babies. Men may be able to produce milk

I've actually seen a guy squirt milk out of a nipple, he said if you stimulate them enough they'll start producing small amounts of milk. He claimed he started doing it because it was a great party trick, still weird.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: nogodsforme on March 29, 2012, 11:24:04 PM
If you Google the question you will find many plausible possible explanations from an evolutionary point of view?

I would like to know how creationists answer this question?
After all was not woman made after the creation of the first man. What use would Adam have for nipples?

All fetuses start off as a generic female it is only after further development when the Y chromasome kicks in and the fetus changes to male.

Because we would look really weird without them.

Although they can be quite sensitive.

[my emphasis]

Face palm. If men had no nipples, we would think that is normal, not weird. (Anyone remember the ship's captain in Around the world in 80 days?)Do we think it is weird that men have external genitalia and women have most of their stuff inside? Or do we accept that as normal?

Nipples are for babies to nurse. They are sensitive so that women will like for babies to nurse.[1] Men do not nurse babies. Why do men have nipples?
 1. Yeah I know they are fun to do other things with, and many women never nurse a child. Most of the time people are doing those other things with them. But that is not the primary evolutionary reason for them.  ;)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on March 30, 2012, 08:12:11 AM
hmmm, has rockv decided he doesn't like anyone telling him why his god is so "unlikeable"? 
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ivellios on March 30, 2012, 09:27:44 AM
Heck, if he'd only read the 32 chapters http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god-toc.htm (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god-toc.htm) especially the sexist page that specifies  Numbers 31:14-18. If I wasn't so used to it by now, I'd be wondering why he hasn't replied regarding that. All we got from him was

*tumbleweeds*

I wish more were intellectually honest say, "Hmmm... I'm going to have to think about that and see if that's the kind of god I really want to condone the acts for, worship, and aspire to be. 'Be Perfect for the Lord is Perfect' and all that jazz. As a highschool boy I read god's "absolute morality" as morally abhorrent. I couldn't imagine how anyone that's read the bible could possible believe in that crap.

Rockv probably read those pages and those verses probably made him all lovey-dovey. I'd figure people would come to the forums after they read the pages... if they actually cared to know what the site was really about.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ice Monkey on April 04, 2012, 05:00:19 PM
My nipples help me landmark. Helps me know if my tie is on straight.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: One Above All on April 04, 2012, 05:02:30 PM
My nipples help me landmark. Helps me know if my tie is on straight.

Truly, we are intelligently designed. Male nipples also have a variety of functions which most men are unaware of. I'll leave those up to your imagination. ;)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: nogodsforme on April 04, 2012, 05:16:14 PM
My nipples help me landmark. Helps me know if my tie is on straight.

Truly, we are intelligently designed. Male nipples also have a variety of functions which most men are unaware of. I'll leave those up to your imagination. ;)

To push the buttons on the microwave on cold mornings?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: One Above All on April 04, 2012, 05:21:49 PM
To push the buttons on the microwave on cold mornings?

I'd try that, but my microwave only has dials. :'(
Anyway, I was talking about something a little more "fun". ;)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: nogodsforme on April 04, 2012, 05:23:51 PM
To push the buttons on the microwave on cold mornings?

I'd try that, but my microwave only has dials. :'(
Anyway, I was talking about something a little more "fun". ;)

Hang your shirts on them while you do the ironing?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: One Above All on April 04, 2012, 05:47:12 PM
Hang your shirts on them while you do the ironing?

...Just how big do you think nipples are? :S
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: nogodsforme on April 04, 2012, 10:04:05 PM
I thought size wasn't supposed to matter.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Alzael on April 04, 2012, 10:17:51 PM
I thought size wasn't supposed to matter.

The only people who say that are those who are lacking.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: nogodsforme on April 04, 2012, 10:21:23 PM
I thought size wasn't supposed to matter.

The only people who say that are those who are lacking.

We have already been through this, Alzael. I ain't falling for it this time! You dangle these tempting tidbits in front of me and when I bite, you snatch it away. So to speak. You just keep your donkey endowment to yourself. ;)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Alzael on April 04, 2012, 10:28:46 PM
I thought size wasn't supposed to matter.

The only people who say that are those who are lacking.

We have already been through this, Alzael. I ain't falling for it this time! You dangle these tempting tidbits in front of me and when I bite, you snatch it away. So to speak. You just keep your donkey endowment to yourself. ;)

I thought you kept saying you wanted pictures, but fine. I'll delete them from the camera then.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: nogodsforme on April 04, 2012, 10:39:18 PM
I thought size wasn't supposed to matter.

The only people who say that are those who are lacking.

We have already been through this, Alzael. I ain't falling for it this time! You dangle these tempting tidbits in front of me and when I bite, you snatch it away. So to speak. You just keep your donkey endowment to yourself. ;)

I thought you kept saying you wanted pictures, but fine. I'll delete them from the camera then.

You say you have pix? Hmmmm. :?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Alzael on April 04, 2012, 10:56:43 PM

You say you have pix? Hmmmm. :?

I deleted them already. You just finished telling me you didn't want them, remember? You're a very inconsistent woman.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ice Monkey on April 04, 2012, 11:01:43 PM
(http://books.elliottback.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/jerry-falwell.jpg)

There.  Now we've all seen a tit.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: nogodsforme on April 04, 2012, 11:03:29 PM
^^^^^I am sending you the bill for cleaning the vomit off my keyboard. >:(
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ice Monkey on April 04, 2012, 11:11:27 PM
Fair 'nuff.  I suppose I should have warned you before I just whipped it out like that.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Alzael on April 04, 2012, 11:13:50 PM
Fair 'nuff.  I suppose I should have warned you before I just whipped it out like that.

Clearly you have some sort of disease or deformity. You should get those looked at.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: rockv12 on April 10, 2012, 10:18:09 PM
If you Google the question you will find many plausible possible explanations from an evolutionary point of view?

I would like to know how creationists answer this question?
After all was not woman made after the creation of the first man. What use would Adam have for nipples?

All fetuses start off as a generic female it is only after further development when the Y chromasome kicks in and the fetus changes to male.

I'd begin by answering the tough questions that evolution poses, instead of silly questions about nipples to disprove creationism. 

Nipples are nipples.  They look nicer than not having any at all.  If this is proof that evolution is true, then, oh boy, do I have some questions for evolutionists....
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ice Monkey on April 10, 2012, 10:57:54 PM



I'd begin by answering the tough questions that evolution poses, instead of silly questions about nipples to disprove creationism. 

Nipples are nipples.  They look nicer than not having any at all.  If this is proof that evolution is true, then, oh boy, do I have some questions for evolutionists....
I'm pretty sure you're the only one taking this thread seriously.  (Personally, I never pass up an opportunity to refer to Falwell as a "tit".)

If you have a question about evolution, feel free to start a thread. 
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on April 11, 2012, 08:29:19 AM
I'd begin by answering the tough questions that evolution poses, instead of silly questions about nipples to disprove creationism. 

Nipples are nipples.  They look nicer than not having any at all.  If this is proof that evolution is true, then, oh boy, do I have some questions for evolutionists....
wow.  so as long as rockv12 like nipples, that's all the reason he needs for them to exist.  Why his god wants the same things as rock12, so that must mean there is a god!  ;D

and more nonsense claiming that people haven't answered what he thinks are the "tough questions evolution poses". 
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: nogodsforme on April 11, 2012, 02:19:44 PM
I love how non-scientists who have never conducted a lab experiment or even read a relevant science journal think they have come up with a substantial critique of a scientific theory.

The TOE forms the foundation of the life sciences, has survived scientific challenges for 150 years and is supported by thousands of real-life applications. The TOE helped to create the fields of epidemiology, physical anthropology and genetics, for example, and is the basis for most of what police investigators do in CSI.

I would never propose that I know more about a subject than the experts who have dedicated their lives to studying it. But rockv12 knows of something that falsifies evolution-- something that biologists have never thought of over the past 150 years!

Your Nobel Prize awaits, rockv12. &)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: rockv12 on April 14, 2012, 10:30:11 PM

and more nonsense claiming that people haven't answered what he thinks are the "tough questions evolution poses".

The tough questions can't even be answered by "experts" on evolution.  Google search it.  It's what most do in here...post a quick link to prove a point.  But nobody likes to explain things for themselves.  If ALL the evidence points to evolution, then answer a question or two.  Step by step, how did the hummingbird evolve?  No wikipedia....just words.  You don't really have to, but if you want to that would be great.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jeremy0 on April 14, 2012, 11:02:20 PM
I was just talking about that, not like I thought I knew something about it.

When you make a statement, people expect you to actually know what the hell you're talking about. Otherwise, you just look like an idiot

All I meant by that is I don't know how a man with a child could breastfeed the baby if the nipples can't get in the baby's mouth.

You don't actually have to get something in your mouth to suck it. You can simply put your lips around it
And, once again, that is most clearly not what was written. You should try writing what you mean

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jeremy0 on April 14, 2012, 11:04:54 PM

and more nonsense claiming that people haven't answered what he thinks are the "tough questions evolution poses".

The tough questions can't even be answered by "experts" on evolution.  Google search it.  It's what most do in here...post a quick link to prove a point.  But nobody likes to explain things for themselves.  If ALL the evidence points to evolution, then answer a question or two.  Step by step, how did the hummingbird evolve?  No wikipedia....just words.  You don't really have to, but if you want to that would be great.
My God!  God exists in you - you were home-schooled, weren't you?  Don't worry - I used to be just like you.  Then I watched the science channel, discovery channel, etc. because I found them more fascinating than the other reality crap.  Then I started researching for myself.  I find physics most enjoyable.  If you want to expand your mind, the information is out there.  And no, nobody is worrying about how a hummingbird evolved from another form of bird..  If you want to hypothesize, why don't you study the dna variances?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jeremy0 on April 14, 2012, 11:06:28 PM
$an' i put it into drive till i run out of road; and i go, and i go and i go go go, till i hear that banjo!!
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: rockv12 on April 15, 2012, 12:15:46 AM

My God!  God exists in you - you were home-schooled, weren't you?  Don't worry - I used to be just like you.  Then I watched the science channel, discovery channel, etc. because I found them more fascinating than the other reality crap.  Then I started researching for myself.  I find physics most enjoyable.  If you want to expand your mind, the information is out there.  And no, nobody is worrying about how a hummingbird evolved from another form of bird..  If you want to hypothesize, why don't you study the dna variances?

Homeschooled for a few years...how is that applicable?  Against forum rules to post off-topic responses, btw. 

I watch the Science Channel all the time.  It blows your mind!  Science is awesome!

Why all the responses that I don't study or gather information?  Does everyone think I've never cracked a book in my life?  Come on!

A hummingbird evolved.  Still no answer to how.  And I'm the idiot? 
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: nogodsforme on April 15, 2012, 06:36:05 PM
You are not an idiot if you don't know how a hummingbird evolved. That's just ignorance. You are only an idiot if you think nobody can ever know how a hummingbird evolved, so why bother looking. That is willful stupidity. :P
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jeremy0 on April 15, 2012, 07:08:45 PM
Sorry about that, guys.  Rockv12 was following me around to different forum threads discussing a topic we were arguing back on a thread he/she started..

It wasn't meant to be brought to these other threads, my apologies.  The corrections and such have already been made on both our parts in the original thread.  And I was up pretty late arguing this - my brain was mush and wanted to scream - injustice!

The person probably saw how bad I had command of english and wanted to specifically start an argument with me.. btw
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ice Monkey on April 15, 2012, 08:34:34 PM

Homeschooled for a few years...how is that applicable?  Against forum rules to post off-topic responses, btw. 

I watch the Science Channel all the time.  It blows your mind!  Science is awesome!

Why all the responses that I don't study or gather information?  Does everyone think I've never cracked a book in my life?  Come on!

A hummingbird evolved.  Still no answer to how.  And I'm the idiot?

You just seem like you're trying to do homework without the work.  Most people here aren't biology majors, so don't know the specific geneology of hummingbirds.  The question doesn't even make sense.  Did you want all the steps between single celled life and a hummingbird?  Then what?
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ice Monkey on April 15, 2012, 08:35:54 PM
Sorry about that, guys.  Rockv12 was following me around to different forum threads discussing a topic we were arguing back on a thread he/she started..

It wasn't meant to be brought to these other threads, my apologies.  The corrections and such have already been made on both our parts in the original thread.  And I was up pretty late arguing this - my brain was mush and wanted to scream - injustice!

The person probably saw how bad I had command of english and wanted to specifically start an argument with me.. btw

Lot's of people have pets.

I suppose he's too big to be flushed.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jeremy0 on April 15, 2012, 08:47:59 PM
OMG!  I have nipples!  I never knew..   :police:
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Ice Monkey on April 15, 2012, 10:12:11 PM
OMG!  I have nipples!  I never knew..   :police:
.. No, Jeremy, you can't get milk from them, so leave yourself alone.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jeremy0 on April 15, 2012, 11:43:05 PM
OMG!  I have nipples!  I never knew..   :police:
.. No, Jeremy, you can't get milk from them, so leave yourself alone.
Crap!  *hopes shot down*
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on April 16, 2012, 09:16:33 AM

and more nonsense claiming that people haven't answered what he thinks are the "tough questions evolution poses".

The tough questions can't even be answered by "experts" on evolution.  Google search it.  It's what most do in here...post a quick link to prove a point.  But nobody likes to explain things for themselves.  If ALL the evidence points to evolution, then answer a question or two.  Step by step, how did the hummingbird evolve?  No wikipedia....just words.  You don't really have to, but if you want to that would be great.

oh this is hilarious. I do love to see Christians lie for such petty thing.  It's so cute to see you do it, rockv12, and so nice to see you return to your own vomit.   Again, no dear, we don't have how hummingbirds evolved "step-by-step".  But we know that evolution works ever single time.  The fossil record goes from simple to complex over time.  We see how dinosaurs evolved into birds.  Then we know how birds have evolved to fit the various niches in the environment.  Pity yuo have nothing more than your god of hte gaps argument and of course no evidence that your god has done *anything*.  I have fossils, and evidence for evolution happening right now.  The prepondereance of the evidence sides with me.   And you've failed again.  Just myths that have no evdience to support them.  No evidence to support that your god is the only god responsible for this creation you claim, no evidence for the flood, the exodus, or the most important event in your religion, the resurrection. 

tah-dah.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Add Homonym on April 16, 2012, 10:15:45 AM
The fossil record goes from simple to complex over time.  We see how dinosaurs evolved into birds. 

No it doesn't. Birds aren't more complex than dinosaurs. You've fallen for the old creationist information propaganda trick, 99.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on April 16, 2012, 10:24:33 AM
No it doesn't. Birds aren't more complex than dinosaurs. You've fallen for the old creationist information propaganda trick, 99.

oh rllly  :)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jeremy0 on April 16, 2012, 05:34:47 PM
The fossil record goes from simple to complex over time.  We see how dinosaurs evolved into birds. 
No it doesn't. Birds aren't more complex than dinosaurs. You've fallen for the old creationist information propaganda trick, 99.
*bearing in mind that dinosaurs faced an extinction event where evolution may have had to start largely over..*
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Graybeard on May 02, 2012, 05:03:08 PM
My car has a wiring loom with empty sockets where the built-in GPS, cruise control and electric seat go if I had bought the more expensive version. If I were to stick these gadgets in, they would work just as well as if the factory had fitted them.

Note how in male/female children the nipples are the same. We humans have a lot of male/female bits in common: arms, legs, liver, stomach, etc. The nipples are a case in point. They are there if the female hormone kicks in. If it doesn't, then like my empty sockets, nothing happens. If it does then there are the rudiments there to develop.

If you think about it, it would be more complicated for men to not have nipples.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: nogodsforme on May 02, 2012, 05:31:06 PM
My car has a wiring loom with empty sockets where the built-in GPS, cruise control and electric seat go if I had bought the more expensive version. If I were to stick these gadgets in, they would work just as well as if the factory had fitted them.

Note how in male/female children the nipples are the same. We humans have a lot of male/female bits in common: arms, legs, liver, stomach, etc. The nipples are a case in point. They are there if the female hormone kicks in. If it doesn't, then like my empty sockets, nothing happens. If it does then there are the rudiments there to develop.

If you think about it, it would be more complicated for men to not have nipples.

So nipples are like the unused ports in a computer.... :D
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: magicmiles on May 02, 2012, 05:32:32 PM
My car has a wiring loom with empty sockets where the built-in GPS, cruise control and electric seat go if I had bought the more expensive version. If I were to stick these gadgets in, they would work just as well as if the factory had fitted them.

Note how in male/female children the nipples are the same. We humans have a lot of male/female bits in common: arms, legs, liver, stomach, etc. The nipples are a case in point. They are there if the female hormone kicks in. If it doesn't, then like my empty sockets, nothing happens. If it does then there are the rudiments there to develop.

If you think about it, it would be more complicated for men to not have nipples.

That's one of the best nipple-auto electric comparisons I have seen for years.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jeremy0 on May 02, 2012, 06:15:25 PM
My car has a wiring loom with empty sockets where the built-in GPS, cruise control and electric seat go if I had bought the more expensive version. If I were to stick these gadgets in, they would work just as well as if the factory had fitted them.

Note how in male/female children the nipples are the same. We humans have a lot of male/female bits in common: arms, legs, liver, stomach, etc. The nipples are a case in point. They are there if the female hormone kicks in. If it doesn't, then like my empty sockets, nothing happens. If it does then there are the rudiments there to develop.

If you think about it, it would be more complicated for men to not have nipples.

That's one of the best nipple-auto electric comparisons I have seen for years.
;D
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Graybeard on May 02, 2012, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: magicmiles link=topic=19215.msg501593#msg501593 date=1335997952
That's one of the best nipple-auto electric comparisons I have seen for years.
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Thanks, I write for the masses. :)
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on May 03, 2012, 09:31:46 AM
My car has a wiring loom with empty sockets where the built-in GPS, cruise control and electric seat go if I had bought the more expensive version. If I were to stick these gadgets in, they would work just as well as if the factory had fitted them.

Note how in male/female children the nipples are the same. We humans have a lot of male/female bits in common: arms, legs, liver, stomach, etc. The nipples are a case in point. They are there if the female hormone kicks in. If it doesn't, then like my empty sockets, nothing happens. If it does then there are the rudiments there to develop.

If you think about it, it would be more complicated for men to not have nipples.

indeed.  and a lovely bit of evidence for evolutionary theory it is.  No reason not to have them and so there they are.   and with the right hormones applied, any breasts can enlarge (handy for folks who need gender reassignment) and even produce milk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation   
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: Jstwebbrowsing on May 03, 2012, 03:38:25 PM
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A hummingbird evolved.  Still no answer to how.  And I'm the idiot?

I've not read anything about a hummingbird and evolution.  I must do so.  I assume those here don't have the answer.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: One Above All on May 03, 2012, 03:39:51 PM
I assume those here don't have the answer.

You assume wrong. The idiot you quoted got his answers multiple times. He just ignored them.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: jeremy0 on May 03, 2012, 03:41:22 PM
..and I assume no scientist has cared much to blast out to the world how a hummingbird evolved.  Why not a worm?  I haven't heard how grubworms evolved - must be proof that science isn't real!! [1]
 1. Your assumption here about science coincides with your assumption of God - you are saying because of the lack of evidence for something, then it must be true..  This is an error in logical reasoning.  Instead, you should be looking at evidence that supports a claim, instead of a claim that has no supporting evidence..  Wake up!
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: velkyn on May 04, 2012, 07:54:17 AM
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A hummingbird evolved.  Still no answer to how.  And I'm the idiot?

I've not read anything about a hummingbird and evolution.  I must do so.  I assume those here don't have the answer.
Jst, I've observed that you run to anyone who claims to be a theist and are sure that they have the right answers.  For someone who claims to be following what the JW's follow, you glom on to any other theist, Plain Jane, and now rockv12, who you ignorantly think makes a "good" claim, of course with no evidence.  That amuses me because these other "good" theists are quite sure that your basic understanding of the bible and your god is completely wrong and you are doomed.

This, and your claim that you believe what the JWs say but can't be bothered with actually joining them, makes me think that you have no real beliefs but only want to be accepted by *anyone* who even remotely reflects your views.  Rockv12 is indeed the "idiot" because he ignores what she's been shown which makes him a willfully ignorant liar.  Not exactly the paragon of virtue that Christianity tells people to be. 
EDIT: thanks for catching that, MM.
Title: Re: Why do men have nipples?
Post by: magicmiles on May 04, 2012, 08:08:36 AM
Rockv12 is indeed the "idiot" because she ignores what she's been shown which makes her a willfully ignorant liar. Christianity tells people to be.

Rockv12's profile shows male.