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Title: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on March 31, 2011, 07:33:59 PM
Poll Comment of Mine:  :o Someone ACTUALLY voted the most negative option!?

Hopefully my 30-minutes-of-thinking-up-a-title title brought interest :)

This post will be of my pure opinion, please no hate or anything like "Stfu God doesn't exist" or anything like "Dude, just grow up, God doesn't exist. Period." (Christians are pretty offended by Athiests saying "GOD DOESNT EXIST HAHAHAHA:  :'( ) or anything that does not show any evidence on why you don't believe in God. Thanks :D

Anyways, let's go with the FAQ about God.

FAQ:

Q: Who is God?
A: He is the Creator of everything, his son is Jesus and his mother is Mary. I think...

Q: Who created God?
A: Good question, but no one created God, not even God himself. He is the Uncreated Creator, that's why he has no appearance :D

Q: Is the bible true?
A: I'm pretty sure it's 100% true. Besides, I heard that scientists heard Egypt in the bible, so he started finding it, and they found it :D (I think they found more ancient cities found in the bible)

Q: Why is there an old testament?
A: I skipped that part due to its history. (me dunt liek history  >:( ) It shows on what happened in the past, and it happened before Jesus came. So basically it was created by God for Jews.

Q: Why God doesn't show himself to us?
A: If your talking about God The Father, he doesn't have an appearance. If your talking about Jesus, its because it's not in his plan, or some other reason that doesn't waste his time (sorry if i offend you  :-X )

Q: I saw these miracles and they said God did it. Are they true?
A: It really depends, some are and some are not.  The false ones are just to bring attention, period. The true ones, however, are kind of hard to believe. But very few have enough proof to be real and from God.

Q: Why doesn't God help us?
A: You are dead wrong. God DOES help us, just indirectly. Let's say this: A bear was peacefully eating blueberries, until 2 hunters came and is aiming at the bear with guns. You saw them, and wanted to help the bear, so you chop a tree down blocking the hunters sight and letting the bear live and run away from the hunters. It's like that, he indirectly helps us.

Q: Why God doesn't answer our prayers?
A: He does, but indirectly. Like if you wanted to be guided to a town while it's midnight and your lost in a forest. God will send a light bug or something and it will lead you to a town. It's like that. But most of the time he doesn't answer our prayers. If we tell him "Please answer this prayer", what does he have to say? Nothing. If you tell him a prayer like "Today was really great", he won't answer because he has nothing to say.

Q: Is Jesus really the son of God?
A: Yes, he said that A MILLION TIMES (expression). He did miracles, but are they true? Look to the next question!

Q: Are Jesus' miracles true?
A: Many do not believe Jesus' miracles because it's too hard to believe. Our minds are basic, only designed for free will.

Q: Why is there suffering in the world?
A: We do many bad things, and we really arn't supposed to avoid the sufferings. Jesus has a plan that no one can understand. There are reasons why there are suffering in this world, maybe because we sinned way too much, or maybe so they can believe in Jesus, I don't even know.

Q: Why is there evil in the world?
A: Ahhh, something so I can really express my opinion to others! The Devil (Satan) does not bring evil to the world, but us.
Once, Adam and Eve had a peaceful life, everything was perfect, they also did not eat meat (it explains how Adam died in in the age of 821 or something). But, they ate the fruit of the Knowledge, which gave us a taste of what is good and bad. They only ate a bite, not a whole, so this bite from Adam and Eve... Changed our world, forever.  God then punished them, then their children sinned, and their grandchildren sinned, and so on. BUT, some people did not sin (Noah, for example). We cause evil, because we cause sins to others. For example; We steal, the one who got stolen does revenge; Someone murders, someone avenges the one who got murdered by killing; Someone died, someone goes nuts.

Q: Why did the flood occured during Noah's time?
A: Noah was the only good person (literally) in the whole world. God The Father wanted to wipe out all the humans except Noah and his family and animals. Why did God did this? Imagine your friend kicking you and stealing your stuff, and the murdering you in a night. Scary huh? Yeah, they were that bad. So God told Noah to make an ark and gather all the animals and stuff.

Q: Did God really create the Earth in seven days?
A: Yes, he did. Some people said it took billions of years, there wrong. Changing and creating is completely different. It took billions of years to change the Earth, it only took 7 days to create the Earth. You heard of the Big Bang? If true, the Big Bang lasted 0.0000000001 millisecond (Or something). Then God merged rocks and put magma in it, then let it rotate to a sun at the perfect distance, then God changed the world so we humans can live.

Q: Why in the old testament it says that those who sinned must be put to death?
A: There's a reason why it's called the Old Testament, can't you read the Table of Contents in the Bible?
We all deserve to be put to death, but God gave us another chance by sending Jesus and he died for our sins.

Q: When will be the end of the world?
A: Even Jesus doesn't even know when the world will end. God The Father has all knowledge (obvious), and there in the bible Jesus said his last words: My God My God, Why have you forsaken me?

Q: When I told God I want something, why didn't he gave me the gift?
A: If you asked for him like "I want to kill everyone!" that's an obvious no. If you asked him like "I want a desktop!" he'll give you a better gift. If you asked him like "I want money!" then he'll say no because there's no reason for God to give you money, just for your greed. If you asked him with a reason like "I want money so I can feed my family!" He'll send someone or something that is unexpected and give you some money. If you ask him something impossible like "I want a farm in our desert!" He'll give you something better because the impossible is limited in our minds.

Q: Why are you doing this?
A: I was so frustrated that you all don't believe in God. So I came here, and wanted to show you guys this.

Q: Why God hides himself?
A: I don't know. But it's part of his plan, many are really curious about this. But in my opinion, read this: Let's say I'm God (for example). I created you all, and then many of you don't believe in me. I'm kind of angry, and I see you guys turn evil very slowly, but in heaven 1000 years in Earth if a day in heaven, so I see you guys change a lot. But all of you wanted to see me, I refuse because that is not in my plan. It will waste my time, I don't have the time to do something so pathetic. (Sorry if I offend you  :( )

Q: Why do you believe in God?
A: 1: I don't want to go to Hell. 2: Just to be safe. 3: I just do. 4: It's my life. 5: He cheers me up.

Q: (by someone who asked me a question in my intro thread) How do I know my particular version of religion is the OneTrueChristian?
A: The bible brings true christians. Edited Bibles are not. If you are a Christian, you may want to read The New Testament to know Jesus' teachings well, in my deep honest opinion. You can skip the old testament, which is old.... And a testament... And is old...
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Now, that was quite a long FAQ, I might add more if anyone has any more questions by replying :)

Anyways, let's start with my facts on why all this life is NOT an accident. (in my opinion)

1: If the Big Bang created the universe, what were the chemicals that caused it? And what created those chemicals that caused the Big Bang? And what created those chemicals that created those chemicals that created the Big Bang? (ect ect)

2: Why is the universe followed by laws. Such as gravity, ect ect.

3: Where did water come from? How was it created? (in space)

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I guess that's about it. Please reply and don't hate me for this!  :police:


Note: If you ask a question that is in the FAQ I will ignore you. Please read the whole thing.

My past: (extra)
I was a nonbeliever, then when I was young I knew very little about God. But I began to understand him, and became a Christian. Even though I can't go to church, I read short bibles, and is now reading the real bible (GOLDEN PAINTED EDGES!  ;D ). I pray daily, not expecting an answer of God, because I pray summeries of my days.


RANDOMNESS:

EVOLUTION: If we came from monkeys, there's supposed to be no more monkeys. There are still monkeys. WTF?  :-\

ANGER: I'm God. I'm really angry that you don't believe in me. Your doing very evil things, I shall now kill you. :)
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: jetson on March 31, 2011, 07:42:58 PM
This might not go as well as you are hoping.  Be strong, and remain calm.  Oh, and good luck!
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Dante on March 31, 2011, 07:43:43 PM
Let me get this straight. If you've addressed it in the FAQ, it's off limits? So, you presume to be correct, but are unwilling to defend your assetions? Sorry, if that's indeed the case, you wont be around very long....
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on March 31, 2011, 07:45:17 PM
This might not go as well as you are hoping.  Be strong, and remain calm.  Oh, and good luck!

Yeah I will, :) Thanks

Although, I'm not surprised that haters will reply in a forum  :-\
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on March 31, 2011, 07:47:51 PM
Let me get this straight. If you've addressed it in the FAQ, it's off limits? So, you presume to be correct, but are unwilling to defend your assetions? Sorry, if that's indeed the case, you wont be around very long....

I'm not sure if this is an actual FAQ. I'm just thinking of common stuff that Athiests question about, and try to answer them with my answers and try to be very understanding for you.

Btw, I'm really confused with the rest of your post  :?
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: jetson on March 31, 2011, 07:48:23 PM
This might not go as well as you are hoping.  Be strong, and remain calm.  Oh, and good luck!

Yeah I will, :) Thanks

Although, I'm not surprised that haters will reply in a forum  :-\

Well, if you pay close attention to the "haters", you will learn a lot, that I can promise.  If you dismiss them, you will find yourself wondering why you thought it best to start such a thread.

The people on this site are not haters, they are atheists, so you might want to find ways to get to know them before you judge them.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: xphobe on March 31, 2011, 07:51:21 PM
I hope for your sake that you are very young and naive, and haven't yet had the opportunity to really think through some of the things you accept as given in your FAQ.

We're here to help.  :angel:

<minutes till Velkyn appears with a point-by-point rebuttal: 15>

btw: I voted "a little" helpful.  They help us to understand a young naive person raised in an environment of theistic brainwashing.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on March 31, 2011, 07:51:52 PM
This might not go as well as you are hoping.  Be strong, and remain calm.  Oh, and good luck!

Yeah I will, :) Thanks

Although, I'm not surprised that haters will reply in a forum  :-\

Well, if you pay close attention to the "haters", you will learn a lot, that I can promise.  If you dismiss them, you will find yourself wondering why you thought it best to start such a thread.

The people on this site are not haters, they are atheists, so you might want to find ways to get to know them before you judge them.

I guess so, I was mistaken. Sorry.

I was not saying that atheists are haters, just very few are. Which there seems to be none in this forum.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on March 31, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
I hope for your sake that you are very young and naive, and haven't yet had the opportunity to really think through some of the things you accept as given in your FAQ.

We're here to help.  :angel:

<minutes till Velkyn appears with a point-by-point rebuttal: 15>

btw: I voted "a little" helpful.  They help us to understand a young naive person raised in an environment of theistic brainwashing.

Yeah, I'm young.

That's why I don't know what theistic brainwashing means.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: William on March 31, 2011, 08:00:09 PM
There are still monkeys. WTF?  :-\

Yes this bit of your post is certainly true and backed by evidence: monkey hear nonsense, monkey repeat nonsense  :laugh:
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on March 31, 2011, 08:01:13 PM
There are still monkeys. WTF?  :-\

Yes this bit of your post is certainly true and backed by evidence: monkey hear nonsense, monkey repeat nonsense  :laugh:

Guess so :D
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: ParkingPlaces on March 31, 2011, 08:01:29 PM
You should know that most of us don't actually have the many questions you so kindly answered. Since there isn't a god in the first place, little details about Jesus and others are of little relevance. We like to play around with such things from time to time, but only to show christians how little they know about reality.

You clearly know nothing of science of the scientific explanations of existence and of life. You are asking questions about the big bang and evolution that make it clear your only training on the subject has been from other incredulous believers who are used to making stuff up anyway, so they make it up about our side as well as your own. This does not further the discussion for anyone. It would take you less than an hour to google things like the big bang and evolution to get a more accurate view of the scientific side of this discussion, and if you're not willing to do even that much, I doubt we can have much of a discussion. I, for one, am tired of giving basic science lessons to believers who believe everything we think to be true is ridiculous.

Sorry that we have a shortage of haters, but we don't have a shortage of atheists who easily grow impatient with christians who come here thinking they have all the answers when in fact all they have is their own opinion. On everything. If people came to you every day and asked "Why did jesus wear only pink?" you would wonder what the heck they were talking about. Your knowledge of science is at about that same level, as is your knowledge of what atheism is. You are more than welcome to stick around and learn about both. You will presumably continue to be a christian, but at least your knowledge base will increase and you'll have a better idea of what you're up against in the wild and whacky world of unbelief.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on March 31, 2011, 08:04:17 PM
You should know that most of us don't actually have the many questions you so kindly answered. Since there isn't a god in the first place, little details about Jesus and others are of little relevance. We like to play around with such things from time to time, but only to show christians how little they know about reality.

You clearly know nothing of science of the scientific explanations of existence and of life. You are asking questions about the big bang and evolution that make it clear your only training on the subject has been from other incredulous believers who are used to making stuff up anyway, so they make it up about our side as well as your own. This does not further the discussion for anyone. It would take you less than an hour to google things like the big bang and evolution to get a more accurate view of the scientific side of this discussion, and if you're not willing to do even that much, I doubt we can have much of a discussion. I, for one, am tired of giving basic science lessons to believers who believe everything we think to be true is ridiculous.

Sorry that we have a shortage of haters, but we don't have a shortage of atheists who easily grow impatient with christians who come here thinking they have all the answers when in fact all they have is their own opinion. On everything. If people came to you every day and asked "Why did jesus wear only pink?" you would wonder what the heck they were talking about. Your knowledge of science is at about that same level, as is your knowledge of what atheism is. You are more than welcome to stick around and learn about both. You will presumably continue to be a christian, but at least your knowledge base will increase and you'll have a better idea of what you're up against in the wild and whacky world of unbelief.

Yeah, this world is pretty messed up with all sorts of things >_>

I'm gonna experience Athiests, and probably make a better FAQ about this.

As said in the post (several times): This is my opinion.


 ;D
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: xphobe on March 31, 2011, 08:09:09 PM
Also, it's better if you do not quote the entire previous post.  If you must quote, choose a line or two that you think are particularly relevant.  But since you were responding to the post immediately above yours, you didn't really need to quote it at all.   Just trying to help...
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on March 31, 2011, 08:12:12 PM
Sorry >_>"

I learned a lesson today....
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: William on March 31, 2011, 08:17:59 PM
As said in the post (several times): This is my opinion.

You may hold these opinions but sadly they are not yours.  They are the product of ancient minds delivered to you by the mechanisms of a meme.  You are but a vector in the process of transmission.

Free thought is probably not beyond your capability - just not exercised yet - so I do have hope for you still. :)
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on March 31, 2011, 08:20:46 PM
._." All this complexication is making my mind complex leading me to a complex life and notice how complex this world is....

Such complex thoughts >_>
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Omen on March 31, 2011, 08:35:16 PM
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EVOLUTION: If we came from monkeys, there's supposed to be no more monkeys. There are still monkeys. WTF?  :-\

The statement doesn't make any sense, nothing in evolution precludes the existence of monkeys if we exist.  Why do you think it does?

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ANGER: I'm God. I'm really angry that you don't believe in me. Your doing very evil things, I shall now kill you. :)

I have a suspicion you might be a poe.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on March 31, 2011, 08:36:29 PM
1: It's my opinion. Basically just something random.

2: I'm not a poe. I'm just stating something random.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Omen on March 31, 2011, 08:38:29 PM
1: It's my opinion. Basically just something random.

So you feel you can make statements, conclusions, or ask other questions - where you presume false concepts about a subject and then excuse yourself from responsibility by saying its just your opinion?

Why is it ok to lie about science then simply say its your opinion?

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2: I'm not a poe. I'm just stating something random.

Theist rarely know what a Poe is, which is what exactly makes it funny.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: JeffPT on March 31, 2011, 09:23:45 PM
1: It's my opinion. Basically just something random.

Do you believe that it is smart move to form opinions on subjects when you've only heard one side of the argument?  Your statement about evolution and monkeys is an absolute tell that you know nothing about the theory of evolution other than what you've been told by people who probably also know nothing about the theory of evolution.  There are billions of people around the world who accept the theory of evolution.  And probably billions who do not.  Don't you think its in your best interest to see for yourself, and not regurgitate the opinions of the people who told you what to think instead of letting you think for yourself?  Anyone who tells you WHAT to think is not your friend.  Anyone who encourages you to think for yourself IS your friend.  Go learn what the theory says, then decide for yourself Avascar.  You'll be pretty embarrassed when you realize the foolishness of your monkey statement, I think. 

As a form of encouragement, please note that in general, the better understanding one has on the theory, the more likely they are to accept it (I.E. scientists who use the theory extensively are in near unanimous agreement that the theory is valid).   Interestingly enough, the opposite is true with religion.  The more you understand Christianity, the more likely you are to reject it (atheists generally know more about the bible, the history of religion, etc).   

Educate yourself about the theory, then come back here and prove it wrong.  Until you can do that, you are much like someone who claims they can make a better cake than a pastry chef, but doesn't know how to turn on the oven.   

Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Asmoday on March 31, 2011, 10:09:45 PM
Q: Who is God?
A: He is the Creator of everything, his son is Jesus and his mother is Mary. I think...
I think you mean to say that Mary is the mother of Jesus. Not of God...

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Q: Who created God?
A: Good question, but no one created God, not even God himself. He is the Uncreated Creator, that's why he has no appearance :D
Around here this is known as special pleading.

The argument usually goes like this:

1) Everything has a beginning / is created.
2) So the universe must have a beginning / must have been created.
3) God created the universe.

Atheist: Since everything has a beginning / is created, then what created God?

Theist: Oh, but my God does not have a creator. God is the uncreated creator of everything.  <-- Special pleading

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Q: Is the bible true?
A: I'm pretty sure it's 100% true. Besides, I heard that scientists heard Egypt in the bible, so he started finding it, and they found it :D (I think they found more ancient cities found in the bible)
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the bible surely is not 100% true.

The mentioning of real places is no evidence for the happenings described in the story. If you follow that line of thinking, then Sherlock Holmes, Doctor Watson and Professor Moriarty must have been real persons. After all, the places mentioned in the books do exist.

Some things from the bible that are not true:

Creation in six days, the world is only 6000 years old, bats are birds, insects have four legs, a worldwide flood, the tower of Babylon, the enslavement of the Jewish people in Egypt, the seven plagues on Egypt, the destruction of the pharaoh's army, the complete Exodus, King David's kingdom as described in the bible, the destruction of Jericho, the census at the supposed time of Jesus' birth, the killing of the infants, Jesus as described in the bible, the constant gathering of thousands of Jews watching Jesus in an area occupied by the Roman empire, the crucifixion as described in the bible, the darkness of the sun following said crucifixion, the earthquake, the zombie invasion of Jerusalem (Yes, that is really written in the bible; I'm really not making this up) etc. etc. etc.

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Q: Why is there an old testament?
A: I skipped that part due to its history. (me dunt liek history  >:( ) It shows on what happened in the past, and it happened before Jesus came. So basically it was created by God for Jews.
You should read the old testament. It will show God to be one of the most unpleasant, incompetent, vile, disgusting, horrifying, brutal and homicidal characters in human fiction.

Oh, and before I forget it: You do know that Jesus said repeatedly that all rules in the OT are still in full effect, right? You don't get to heaven if you don't follow them.

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Q: Why God doesn't show himself to us?
A: If your talking about God The Father, he doesn't have an appearance. If your talking about Jesus, its because it's not in his plan, or some other reason that doesn't waste his time (sorry if i offend you  :-X )
You really should have a look at the OT.

Not only does God have an appearance, he actually has a body like us (he's strolling through the garden Eden for example).

Besides, if God has no appearance, how can we have been created in his likeness?

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Q: I saw these miracles and they said God did it. Are they true?
A: It really depends, some are and some are not.  The false ones are just to bring attention, period. The true ones, however, are kind of hard to believe. But very few have enough proof to be real and from God.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

There are a lot of Muslims, Hindus and believers from other religions claiming miracles of their gods, too. Do you accept those too on the same flimsy basis as you accept the Christian "miracles" as true?

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Q: Why doesn't God help us?
A: You are dead wrong. God DOES help us, just indirectly. Let's say this: A bear was peacefully eating blueberries, until 2 hunters came and is aiming at the bear with guns. You saw them, and wanted to help the bear, so you chop a tree down blocking the hunters sight and letting the bear live and run away from the hunters. It's like that, he indirectly helps us.
Not to be rude, but this is mere wishful thinking.

Replace "God" in the above paragraph with Vishnu, Allah, Quetzalcoatl or the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the whole thing makes as much sense as before. It's almost as if there was no divine intervention at all...


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Q: Why God doesn't answer our prayers?
A: He does, but indirectly. Like if you wanted to be guided to a town while it's midnight and your lost in a forest. God will send a light bug or something and it will lead you to a town. It's like that. But most of the time he doesn't answer our prayers. If we tell him "Please answer this prayer", what does he have to say? Nothing. If you tell him a prayer like "Today was really great", he won't answer because he has nothing to say.
Two things:

1) "Sometimes the answer is No" is a cop out. Prayers to God get fulfilled at the same rate as prayers to a milk jug or a paperclip.

2) You do know that in the bible Jesus says repeatedly that a believer can ask God for anything and God will not say No?

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Q: Is Jesus really the son of God?
A: Yes, he said that A MILLION TIMES (expression). He did miracles, but are they true? Look to the next question!
A character in a book saying something does not make it true.

According to the quran Jesus said he was not the son of God. Instead Mohammed says a million times Allah is the one true God and he is his prophet. Why don't you believe that?

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Q: Are Jesus' miracles true?
A: Many do not believe Jesus' miracles because it's too hard to believe. Our minds are basic, only designed for free will.
I said it already: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Do you believe in the miracles performed by the Buddha? If not, why not?


Oh, and by the way: There is no free will. The bible says so. According to the bible, God has decided your fate long before you were born. Your actions are all predetermined by God.

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Q: Why is there suffering in the world?
A: We do many bad things, and we really arn't supposed to avoid the sufferings. Jesus has a plan that no one can understand. There are reasons why there are suffering in this world, maybe because we sinned way too much, or maybe so they can believe in Jesus, I don't even know.
If God and Jesus have a plan for the world, then everything evil that happens is part of that plan and ultimately caused by God since it's part of the plan.

So by your own argument (and according to the bible actually) God is the source of all sin, evil and suffering.


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Q: Why is there evil in the world?
A: Ahhh, something so I can really express my opinion to others! The Devil (Satan) does not bring evil to the world, but us.
Once, Adam and Eve had a peaceful life, everything was perfect, they also did not eat meat (it explains how Adam died in in the age of 821 or something). But, they ate the fruit of the Knowledge, which gave us a taste of what is good and bad. They only ate a bite, not a whole, so this bite from Adam and Eve... Changed our world, forever.  God then punished them, then their children sinned, and their grandchildren sinned, and so on. BUT, some people did not sin (Noah, for example). We cause evil, because we cause sins to others. For example; We steal, the one who got stolen does revenge; Someone murders, someone avenges the one who got murdered by killing; Someone died, someone goes nuts.
I will have to go a little in depth here.

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Once, Adam and Eve had a peaceful life, everything was perfect, they also did not eat meat (it explains how Adam died in in the age of 821 or something).
You do realize that this is just a story, right?

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But, they ate the fruit of the Knowledge, which gave us a taste of what is good and bad. They only ate a bite, not a whole, so this bite from Adam and Eve... Changed our world, forever.  God then punished them,
There's a major problem with the story of Adam and Eve.

Adam and Eve were created without the knowledge of what is good and what is bad. But without such knowledge it is impossible for a human to make any kind of decisions about which actions are right and which are wrong. Then Adam and Eve were given the order not to eat from the tree of knowledge, because to do so would be bad...

Do you see the problem here?

And let's not forget the snake. God created the snake and put it in the garden (along with the tree), knowing full well what would happen but that did not stop him. And no, before you say it, the snake was not the devil. The snake was a snake.

The whole thing is like putting a young child in a room and you lay a cookie in front of him. Then, before leaving the room, you tell the child not to eat it. Then another adult (which you invited to come into the room and you know full well what he's going to do) comes in and tells the child to eat the cookie.

In God's case, God would come back into the room and beat the s**t out of the child for eating the cookie after the other adult told the child to do it.

God punishes Adam and Eve for disobeying an order they could not follow simply because they did not understand it without having eaten the fruit. 

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then their children sinned, and their grandchildren sinned, and so on.
Actually, according to the bible we don't get condemned for our own actions but what condemns us is the original sin of Adam and Eve eating the fruit (which is why according to the bible dead babies go to hell since they too carry the original sin and they don't believe in Jesus yet).

God condemns people to eternal torture in hell for something they had absolutely no say in.

Adam and Eve sinned by eating the fruit but instead of just punishing Adam and Eve, God punishes all humans.

Tell me, Avascar, is it good and just to punish all for the actions of two?

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BUT, some people did not sin (Noah, for example).
It's interesting that God wipes out all humans on earth except for a sinless family, yet afterward sin is still there as if nothing happened.

Read the old testament; God is utterly incompetent. The fun part is that he's powerful enough to create the universe but later humans with iron chariots are too powerful for him to beat (Yes, that's exactly what the bible says. Read it, if you don't believe me.)

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Q: Why did the flood occured during Noah's time?
A: Noah was the only good person (literally) in the whole world. God The Father wanted to wipe out all the humans except Noah and his family and animals. Why did God did this? Imagine your friend kicking you and stealing your stuff, and the murdering you in a night. Scary huh? Yeah, they were that bad. So God told Noah to make an ark and gather all the animals and stuff.
So what about all those children and the babies? Were they completely evil, too?

And if everyone was so evil, how come they just stood by while Noah was building his ark?

How come an omniscient God comes up with a plan that fails so miserably at eradicating sin?

And you do know that this is merely a story, right? There was no worldwide flood. Not only is there no evidence of a global flood, but the whole story is so utterly ridiculous. I will go further into this if need be.

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Q: Did God really create the Earth in seven days?
A: Yes, he did. Some people said it took billions of years, there wrong. Changing and creating is completely different. It took billions of years to change the Earth, it only took 7 days to create the Earth. You heard of the Big Bang? If true, the Big Bang lasted 0.0000000001 millisecond (Or something). Then God merged rocks and put magma in it, then let it rotate to a sun at the perfect distance, then God changed the world so we humans can live.
Except that our solar system (including the earth) was not "created" in seven days.

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Q: Why in the old testament it says that those who sinned must be put to death?
A: There's a reason why it's called the Old Testament, can't you read the Table of Contents in the Bible?
We all deserve to be put to death, but God gave us another chance by sending Jesus and he died for our sins.
Deserve to be put to death? That's the kind of attitude that devalues life (both your own and that of everybody else)

And I will say it again: Jesus himself said that the rules of the OT are not abolished. They are in full effect to the last point and stroke of the letter.

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Q: When will be the end of the world?
A: Even Jesus doesn't even know when the world will end. God The Father has all knowledge (obvious), and there in the bible Jesus said his last words: My God My God, Why have you forsaken me?
The end of the world will either be in several billion years when the sun will expand and first burn this planet to a crisp before swallow it or when a giant meteor or an off course planetoid crashes into it.

If you mean the end of the world as described in the bible, I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's fiction.

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Q: When I told God I want something, why didn't he gave me the gift?
A: If you asked for him like "I want to kill everyone!" that's an obvious no. If you asked him like "I want a desktop!" he'll give you a better gift. If you asked him like "I want money!" then he'll say no because there's no reason for God to give you money, just for your greed. If you asked him with a reason like "I want money so I can feed my family!" He'll send someone or something that is unexpected and give you some money. If you ask him something impossible like "I want a farm in our desert!" He'll give you something better because the impossible is limited in our minds.
Except that Jesus himself says that every prayer will be fulfilled.

'Whatever you ask in my name, it will be given to you', moving mountains and so on.

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Q: Why are you doing this?
A: I was so frustrated that you all don't believe in God. So I came here, and wanted to show you guys this.
What exactly frustrates you about people not believing in your god (or any gods for that matter)?

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Q: Why God hides himself?
A: I don't know. But it's part of his plan, many are really curious about this. But in my opinion, read this: Let's say I'm God (for example). I created you all, and then many of you don't believe in me. I'm kind of angry, and I see you guys turn evil very slowly, but in heaven 1000 years in Earth if a day in heaven, so I see you guys change a lot. But all of you wanted to see me, I refuse because that is not in my plan. It will waste my time, I don't have the time to do something so pathetic. (Sorry if I offend you  :( )
No time to do something so pathetic? Do you realize that you are disassembling your whole God with that sentence?

Is God not omnipotent? If he is, then how can anything waste his time? It's not possible.

Is God not all-loving? If he is, then how can saving his beloved creation be wasting his time?


And let's not forget about God's plan. If God has a plan, then me being an atheist (and subsequently going to hell for that) IS part of God's plan. In that case I was made by God to go to hell.
(The bible actually confirms that. God has determined your eternal traveling destination long before you were even born. He makes some people just so he can send them to hell.)


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Q: Why do you believe in God?
A: 1: I don't want to go to Hell. 2: Just to be safe. 3: I just do. 4: It's my life. 5: He cheers me up.
If God cheers you up, you obviously have not read the OT.

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Q: (by someone who asked me a question in my intro thread) How do I know my particular version of religion is the OneTrueChristian?
A: The bible brings true christians. Edited Bibles are not. If you are a Christian, you may want to read The New Testament to know Jesus' teachings well, in my deep honest opinion. You can skip the old testament, which is old.... And a testament... And is old...
That made me chuckle actually.

Yes, the bible brings forth True ChristiansTm. That's what every single one of the 38000 different Christian denominations say about their members while claiming the other 37999 denominations are not True ChristiansTm.

Besides, it may come as a surprise to you, but the overwhelming majority of us has not only read the NT but also the OT. A lot of us atheists have been Christians before. And many actually tried to strengthen their declining faith by reading the bible...only to declare themselves atheists by the time they were through the book.

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I guess that's about it. Please reply and don't hate me for this!  :police:
No one is going to hate you for posting this.

Actually, if you'd like to experience how it is to be truly hated, you should try joining a Christian forum and politely say that you are an atheist. In most cases that will be your only post before you are being banned while your thread (if it's not deleted right away) fills with message from members gleefully telling you that you will be tortured forever by God.




Edit: For now I have not included the respective bible verses. It's late here and for now I just wanted to finish this post. If they are needed or Avascar wants to check it in his own bible that I'm not making things up, I will provide the bible verses in another post.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: LadyLucy on March 31, 2011, 10:11:50 PM
I found "a little helpful" in the way of knowing about what you think about your belief, deity, and the Bible.

I would post more about your FAQ, but you don't want to discuss anything about it...  :-\ Sad.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: xTigerx on March 31, 2011, 10:25:48 PM
I don't think any noteworthy scientist ever said we came from monkeys.  And even if we did come from monkeys, that wouldn't mean there aren't any monkeys left.  It's a logical flaw or ignorance on your part.

I have a question for you though: where'd you get the answers for your FAQ?  Did you think about them yourself, or did they come from a different source?  They sound like rehashed common theist arguments, all of which were already shown to be flawed.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Omen on March 31, 2011, 10:37:24 PM
I don't think any noteworthy scientist ever said we came from monkeys.  And even if we did come from monkeys, that wouldn't mean there aren't any monkeys left.

No evolutionary mechanism requires that it does, which begs the obvious question of why does this teenager believe that it does.  Either his education failed him, he simply doesn't get it, he's lying, or someone told him differently. 
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: wright on March 31, 2011, 11:00:18 PM
Greetings, Avascar.

Your FAQs are helpful in revealing some things about the way you think and how poorly you've been educated, assuming you're on the level and not a Poe. Otherwise they're the same unsupported assertions that many, many theists before you have made. They've been thoroughly examined and found wanting again and again on this forum.

Others have already pointed out some of the mistakes in your post; I can't really add anything there. I will advise you, if you are sincere about hanging around and genuinely engaging with the regulars here, to be clear and honest in doing so. Don't just post "something random" and expect us to respond politely. Rather, make a point or a statement and be prepared to defend it, in a way that actually advances the discussion.

You're a definite minority here, something you probably aren't used to. Be polite, respond to questions / rebuttals as fast as you reasonably can, and you may learn some useful things.

Again, welcome to the forum. As jetson already said, good luck!  ;)
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: superfly on March 31, 2011, 11:10:19 PM

Q: Why doesn't God help us?
A: You are dead wrong. God DOES help us, just indirectly. Let's say this: A bear was peacefully eating blueberries, until 2 hunters came and is aiming at the bear with guns. You saw them, and wanted to help the bear, so you chop a tree down blocking the hunters sight and letting the bear live and run away from the hunters. It's like that, he indirectly helps us.

Actually it'd go like this:

The hunters would tease an old bald man, and biblegod would sic some bears to kill the hunters...'cause that how He roll, yo.

2Kings 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
 

Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Timo on April 01, 2011, 12:22:33 AM
Shabat Shalom, Avascar (is it Friday yet?)

I'd like to take a stab at some of those points about the Bible.  I find the stuff interesting.

Q: Who created God?
A: Good question, but no one created God, not even God himself. He is the Uncreated Creator, that's why he has no appearance

I disagree.  I think that God (Yah) is the son of god (El Shaddai).  He is the rival of Baal, the employer of ha shatan (the satan), and the ex husband of Asherah.  He rose to his station in life by valiantly defeating Leviathan, the chaos dragon, and can currently be found walking atop the firmament of heaven with his son, Josh. 

Nah, but seriously, you should read your Old Testament.  If nothing else, it's clear that the conception of God is evolving throughout the book.  And you can find little traces of the bits of Israelite tradition that the monotheists and monalatrists tried to expunge.

Q: Is the bible true?
A: I'm pretty sure it's 100% true.

There are several problems with this.  To begin with, no, the Bible is not 100 percent true.  It cannot be.  One need not even look to external evidence to find this to be the case.  The Bible contradicts itself and therefore contains statements that cannot be true.  You don't even have to get far into the Bible to find this.  Compare Genesis 1 with Genesis 2.  Right now.  Read it. 

Okay, you're back.  Do you see where I'm going with this?  You can even do this with popular Bible stories.  (Trivia question: who killed Goliath?)

Q: Why is there an old testament?
A: I skipped that part due to its history. (me dunt liek history   ) It shows on what happened in the past, and it happened before Jesus came. So basically it was created by God for Jews.

On the Christian view, Jesus is the fulfillment of the Torah, who, like Enoch and Elijah, walked with God and rose bodily into heaven and was anticipated in the prophecies of folks like my favorite prophet, the ever grumpy and sarcastic, Isaiah.  It's important.  If you want to be a Christian you need to read it.

Q: Why God doesn't show himself to us?
A: If your talking about God The Father, he doesn't have an appearance. If your talking about Jesus, its because it's not in his plan, or some other reason that doesn't waste his time (sorry if i offend you

Wrong again bro.  Your Bible teaches that we atheists are simply fools: "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God" (Psalm 14:1).  It is said in the Bible that God has written his law on our hearts (Rom. 2:14-15) and that the heavens declare His glory (Psalm 19: 1).  Your answer is supposed to be that we're ignoring the evidence.  Read your Bible.

And again, you need to read that old Hebrew Bible.  God does indeed appear to people bodily.  In Genesis 18:1-15, we find old Yahweh stopping by Abraham's tent with the news that Sarah will bear him a son in her old age.

Q: Is Jesus really the son of God?
A: Yes, he said that A MILLION TIMES (expression). He did miracles, but are they true? Look to the next question!

The kings of Judah were also called sons of God.  I don't know that "son of God" necessarily means what you think it means.  Hell, I don't think "God" always means what you think it means.  In Psalm 82, Yah takes His seat at the divine council and rebukes the gods.  Do you believe that there is more than one god?  Incidentally, the Hebrew word Elohim, which means "God" is the same in whether in the singular or plural form, which I think should raise the question of whether the phrase "let us create man in our own image" should be taken as a group speaking or as a douchy god speaking in the royal we. 

What do you think?  I think that the theological question is trickier than mainstream Christians like to admit.

Q: Why is there evil in the world?
A: Ahhh, something so I can really express my opinion to others! The Devil (Satan) does not bring evil to the world, but us.
Once, Adam and Eve had a peaceful life, everything was perfect, they also did not eat meat (it explains how Adam died in in the age of 821 or something). But, they ate the fruit of the Knowledge, which gave us a taste of what is good and bad. They only ate a bite, not a whole, so this bite from Adam and Eve... Changed our world, forever.  God then punished them, then their children sinned, and their grandchildren sinned, and so on. BUT, some people did not sin (Noah, for example). We cause evil, because we cause sins to others. For example; We steal, the one who got stolen does revenge; Someone murders, someone avenges the one who got murdered by killing; Someone died, someone goes nuts.

Vegetarianism doesn't explain an 800 year lifespan.  That's not even Biblical.  The limitation of our lifespans to about 130 years is part of God's new plan for humanity following the flood.

And Noah?  Noah was a booze soaked ass who cursed some of his own descendants to be slaves because one of his sons happened to see his junk after he passed out naked in his tent.  This is the best we had to offer?  Perhaps Noah was a good guy who was just acting out because all of his friends had just been killed.  That's understandable.  But I think God is just a bad judge of character.  Lot was apparently the most upright man in Sodom and, well....you should read the story.

Q: Why did the flood occured during Noah's time?
A: Noah was the only good person (literally) in the whole world. God The Father wanted to wipe out all the humans except Noah and his family and animals. Why did God did this? Imagine your friend kicking you and stealing your stuff, and the murdering you in a night. Scary huh? Yeah, they were that bad. So God told Noah to make an ark and gather all the animals and stuff.

The problem with arguing by analogy is that, often times, the analogy doesn't hold.  If God knows everything then He would have known that His creatures would sin against Him.  If God is self sufficient, He didn't need to create us, sinful or otherwise.  He therefore has no right to be offended.  This is in no way analogous to people hurting each other.

Even if the situation were analogous, could you explain why God killed the kids and the animals?  (Also, more Bible trivia: how many of each animal did God take on the ark?)

That's it for now.  Anyway, I hope you read this.  And I hope you read your Bible.


Peace
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: 12 Monkeys on April 01, 2011, 12:28:15 AM
This might not go as well as you are hoping.  Be strong, and remain calm.  Oh, and good luck!

Yeah I will, :) Thanks

Although, I'm not surprised that haters will reply in a forum  :-\
not haters just rational people.....unlike believers
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: xTigerx on April 01, 2011, 01:53:25 AM
Here's another question for you:

How'd Noah gather microscopic animals like Zooplankton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooplankton) or animals that live in extreme locations like polar bears and deep sea fish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_sea_fish)?
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: William on April 01, 2011, 03:25:42 AM
x, the fish were not included in God's scheme to drown everything  :police:  .... check mate atheists  :laugh:
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: grant on April 01, 2011, 03:28:35 AM
Avascar, why can't you go to church?
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Blaze on April 01, 2011, 03:46:09 AM
Avascar's answer to half the questions seems to be "I don't know, but it's all part of the PLAN!" That is the simplest cop out one can use. If you really don't know about the world, LEARN, not from a religious book written thousands of years ago but from science. Why science? Because science provides you with evidence and proof for its theories, and tells you WHY they are true. It provides observable, testable evidence. It doesn't give you plain information without any kind of support and ask you to trust it on "faith". That's what makes it reliable.

You were raised in a Christian household, correct?

Do you realize that a person born in a Hindu household would be posting a similar FAQ about how Vishnu's ten avatars saved the world, and a person born in a Muslim household would be posting a similar FAQ about how Allah is the ruler of the universe?

The answer is simple: god is a figment of human imagination invoked to explain away things he/she cannot understand. Each person projects his/her own image as god and believes it to be true and really exist.

In psychology, this phenomenon is called a delusion.

If you're really young, I can understand, because it's hard to get out of it if you were brainwashed from birth (this may seem harsh, but it's the truth). But my advice: the sooner you realize this, the better it will be for you. The more you sink into your beliefs, the more difficult it is for you to come out of it later.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Vivisectus on April 01, 2011, 04:27:59 AM
Wow! You are a poster-child for why Christianity holds people back and keeps them ignorant.

Do you not see that your post is a celebration of ignorance? You freely admit that you are unclear about the most basic things even of your own faith, and yet you base your entire world-view on it and come here to proclaim it. God has no appearance because he is uncreated? You just made that up on the spot - it makes not a shred of sense! You show your ignorance of basic Biology, Physics, History, Archeology, Chemistry, Geology and even Logic - but in stead of looking into these things and trying to understand, you shunt God in the way so you don't have to.

Your apologetics make little sense either - it is the equivalent of saying "My daddy is the strongest man in the world - he just doesn't feel like lifting up that house right now!" In my opinion, you are making your God out to be a dysfunctional parent.

If human beings were so insignificant as to not warrant any attention, then why is he so damn interested in what people do with their private parts? All that begging and pleading for food, water, safety and health is nothing to him, but a bit of nooky when you are not married or - GOD forbid! - a spot of trouserlove and he zooms in like a laser? What complete and utter twaddle!

But of course all this is not the case - it is apologetics. It is stuff that people made up to explain why there is not a single solitary shred of evidence of the existence of God! And you are parroting these people without thinking it through.

The flood was real? Magic water flew in from space and was magically flown out again? What are you, 6? Did God come back afters to fix the ice-core samples, erase all the geological evidence and magically keep all those animals alive and re-populate their gene-pools so they did not all die out from inbreeding too? Where is the genetic bottle-neck in EVERY species? Why do we see evidence of there being lots and lots of individuals in stead? Why do the ice-core samples not show a huge blip? Did God not only hide the evidence, but but contradictory evidence in its place? This is pure madness!

The Earth was not created in seven days. It took a lot longer than that for the gases and debris to coalesce. Also, the magma came later as it formed when the increasing pressure of all this stuff getting denser and denser increased. Geophysics can be added to the long list of things you know nothing about.

Your reasons for believing are: "because I do, because I do, because I do, Because I know next to nothing about the world and I want a simple explanation written in big letters that makes it OK for me to be ignorant and Because I enjoy it".

The only valid reason is the last one. I am glad you enjoy your faith, and I certainly have no interest in trying to deconvert you. But by golly is it holding you back, and it is making you sound like a buffoon. But you have to understand - you have no rational reason to suppose God exists. You believe because of an irrational leap of faith. If this faith gives you joy, strength and pride then this is surely a good thing.
BUT

You cannot make assertions about reality based on your faith alone. You must also support it with a rational reason. To not do so is madness - literally.

And please, please please stay in school. Try to look outside of this narrow new testament framework you have there. There is a huge wealth of knowledge out there, and it is absolutely fascinating and beautiful. You can understand all this stuff, you don't need to write "God did it by magic!" across it in crayon.  Try to let your science teacher teach you real science and don't interrupt him with your mythological stories. Right now, your religion is keeping you ignorant. There is no reason or excuse for this.

Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Anfauglir on April 01, 2011, 05:31:07 AM
This post will be of my pure opinion.....please no hate or anything .... that does not show any evidence on why you don't believe in God.

Two important points in the very first paragraph of your thread.

1) This post is your opinion.....sure, fine.  But - in the politest way possible - so what?  Especially if you are not going to discuss any of your opinions.....
If you ask a question that is in the FAQ I will ignore you.
....it makes them no more relevant than if you had popped up to say "I think that Mars Bars grow on trees".  It is (very slightly) useful in that it means we know what you believe....but if you're not prepared to discuss your beliefs, then what practical purpose has been served?

But more important, I think, is this:
2) You ask that we do not respond to you without providing evidence of "why (we) don't believe in god".  Well, <insert appropriate rude word here> !!  So its okay for YOU to post your entirely unsubstantiated beliefs, but NOT okay for us?  We have to give hard evidence to back up our position?  Double-standards there, no?

Harrrumph.

In any case, I don't need to give any evidence of why I don't believe in your particular god.  There are - quite literally - tens of thousands of gods that have been described over the centuries, and I see no reason why I need to document my evidence for my dismissal of each one.  What is required of the believer is to supply evidence FOR their particular god - not opinion - which I can then examine and test. 

Either that, or you can match me claim for claim with the evidence of why YOU don't believe in Osiris.   ;D
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Ambassador Pony on April 01, 2011, 05:48:44 AM
I can't look away.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Grimm on April 01, 2011, 08:00:14 AM
I can't look away.

It's just ... hypnotic.  I know, rite?
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: commie_atheist on April 01, 2011, 08:33:37 AM

Anyways, let's start with my facts on why all this life is NOT an accident. (in my opinion)

1: If the Big Bang created the universe, what were the chemicals that caused it? And what created those chemicals that caused the Big Bang? And what created those chemicals that created those chemicals that created the Big Bang? (ect ect)

2: Why is the universe followed by laws. Such as gravity, ect ect.

3: Where did water come from? How was it created? (in space)

let see if i can break this down for you.

1.  not sure by what you mean, what chemicals caused it.  the elements that were created in the big bang are not chemical in nature.  these elements, or chemicals as you called them did not cause the big bang.   chemical of the chemical cause the big bang?  science does not know what caused the big bang, but this does not mean you can inject god in to the gaps of understanding to prove anything.  the most basic elements are thought to have been created in the big bang, most importantly hydrogen.  hydrogen is the fuel that power the stars of the cosmos.  in some of these stars, supernova happen.   that is how we get our more complex elements such as carbon, iron, silver, gold, lead, uranium, and any other complex element.

2. we do not know why the universe is bound by certain laws.  humanity has only just started with observation of the physical laws of the universe in the past 600 to 700 years.  we have built understanding upon the laws that we understand and what the relationship between laws of physics are.  the universe is anything but clockwork and it is very violent place to live in.

3. water is simply the end result of the chemical reaction of hydrogen and oxygen mixed heated to combustion and the end result is water.  not sure how old you are, but i am pretty sure i learned this in 4th grade science. 
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: OnePerson on April 01, 2011, 08:59:39 AM
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ANGER: I'm God. I'm really angry that you don't believe in me. Your doing very evil things, I shall now kill you. :)

God is supposed to be perfect, and yet you made the mistake of using "your" in place of "you're".  Nice try.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Hatter23 on April 01, 2011, 09:19:52 AM
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EVOLUTION: If we came from monkeys, there's supposed to be no more monkeys. There are still monkeys. WTF?  :-\

The statement doesn't make any sense, nothing in evolution precludes the existence of monkeys if we exist.  Why do you think it does?


Sort of like; "If you say Sand is used to make glass, since there is glass, why does sand still exist?
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: velkyn on April 01, 2011, 10:38:44 AM
Q: Is the bible true?
A: I'm pretty sure it's 100% true. Besides, I heard that scientists heard Egypt in the bible, so he started finding it, and they found it :D (I think they found more ancient cities found in the bible)
  wow, how amazingly ignorant.  Do you realize that just because a city is mentioned in your myth that does not make it true?  If it did, then the Greek/Roman myths, the Egyptian myths, etc are all just as true as yours.  And at least be aware of the correct Christian lies, it's Nineveh they claim, not Egypt. 

What a sad proudly ignorant person you are. 
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Q: Why did the flood occured during Noah's time?
A: Noah was the only good person (literally) in the whole world. God The Father wanted to wipe out all the humans except Noah and his family and animals. Why did God did this? Imagine your friend kicking you and stealing your stuff, and the murdering you in a night. Scary huh? Yeah, they were that bad. So God told Noah to make an ark and gather all the animals and stuff.
No evidence at all.  Just nonsense rpeated by ignorant people. 
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Q: Did God really create the Earth in seven days?
A: Yes, he did. Some people said it took billions of years, there wrong. Changing and creating is completely different. It took billions of years to change the Earth, it only took 7 days to create the Earth. You heard of the Big Bang? If true, the Big Bang lasted 0.0000000001 millisecond (Or something). Then God merged rocks and put magma in it, then let it rotate to a sun at the perfect distance, then God changed the world so we humans can live.
Wow, how old is this guy?  You must be about 7 or so ill-educated that you didn't even get through 6 grade science. 

and that old piece of crap about monkeys.  One more poor little Daniel in the lions' den and no god to save him from his own stupidity.

Av, I know it can be hard, but you need to realize that adults have lied to you about all of this Christianity nonsense.  Your repeating this crap makes you look like an idiot.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Omen on April 01, 2011, 10:42:20 AM
Sort of like; "If you say Sand is used to make glass, since there is glass, why does sand still exist?

Hey, its just my opinion, which makes it perfectly ok to lie about subjects I'm entirely ignorant about.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Omen on April 01, 2011, 10:44:28 AM
Haters = anyone who criticizes Avascar's claims, regardless if Avascar lies or dehumanizes others.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avatar Of Belial on April 01, 2011, 11:19:44 AM
Q: Who is God?
A: He is the Creator of everything, his son is Jesus and his mother is Mary. I think...

Wait... aren't we all considered the 'Children of God'...? Wouldn't Mary have been a child of God all her life?
And then she gave birth to Jesus... who is God... because God impregnated her.

So she is Mother, Consort, and Daughter.

INCEST! GOD DID INCEST!

Therefore Incest must be OK.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Asmoday on April 01, 2011, 12:46:57 PM
INCEST! GOD DID INCEST!

Therefore Incest must be OK.
Well, duh!

Of course it is OK. The bible is full of it.

How do you think the earth got populated after starting out with just Adam and Eve? And later it's the same ballgame again with Noah and his family (except that this time it's 8 people doing the re-populating instead of just two.)
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Jim on April 01, 2011, 02:26:42 PM
I hear banjos in them hills....
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Omen on April 01, 2011, 02:32:20 PM
I hear banjos in them hills....

He signed on for a second earlier today and haunted the thread before disappearing without response.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on April 01, 2011, 05:53:56 PM
Okay.... Since there was so many replies..... I'll just post in here without quoting ._."

Some of you answered the questioner's question, like "If we came from monkeys, there's supposed to be no more monkeys. There's still monkeys. WTF?" and all.

I know I'm ignorant, like all of you, we all still have much to learn.
I tried and make this thread the clearest I can >_> Guess I gotta work harder on that.


Anyways, thank you all for feedback. :)

I may soon create a thread on what you guys have to say on life. (creation of the universe, ect)

Thank you ;D
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: William on April 01, 2011, 06:47:08 PM
I know I'm ignorant, like all of you, we all still have much to learn.

This is true.   However what free thinkers and rational people try to do when we know nothing about something is study, listen and learn - and especially dig out the honesty to admit that we "don't know"  :)  I can recommend this approach to you - it will take you far in life in ALL things.

Religion does not do this.  It proclaims loudly that it knows the answer to everything even though it has no evidence and books chock-full of holes and ancient ideas.

This constant nongness despite religion having its ass kicked on a regular basis by science.  You never hear an apology from religion for getting it COMPLETELY wrong on the cause of lightning, disease, and changes in wind direction ... no red faces over the shape of the earth, the position of the sun at the centre of the solar system, the age of the earth, the fact of evolution, the Turin shroud, dental miracles, failures of end-times prophecies etc.  Religion marches on immune to real knowledge - always with another wave of carefully programmed bullshit sprouting faithful youngsters ready to replace the more mature ones that fade under the mounting burden of their private doubts. 

Atheists can be cheeky alright - but religion, under its cloak of piety and righteousness, is deeply arrogant and dishonest.   Religion perpetuates ignorance because its lifeblood is ignorance.  :)
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Avascar on April 01, 2011, 09:54:44 PM
Think of this:

If there was nothing, there will always be nothing.


I did not came here to turn you into believers, I simply came to know more about you. :)
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: jetson on April 01, 2011, 10:02:04 PM
Think of this:

If there was nothing, there will always be nothing.


Or so it seems, from our limited understanding and knowledge of things.

The key here is to remain humble in your thinking, and decidedly unimpressed by claims that have no basis in logic.  Hence, those who claim a god, and cannot explain its origin, are explaining absolutely nothing.  They are simply inventing an answer for that which they cannot truly explain, and being satisfied.

Always remember that science stops where it cannot explain.  It states unequivocally that it does not have an explanation, and then it marches on to discover one.  No honest scientist will try to tell you that which it cannot explain through the scientific method.  And neither will he ignore that there must be an explanation.  This is honest.

God assertions are dishonest.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: grant on April 01, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Avascar, why can't you go to church?

Why can't you answer a simple question like this??
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: William on April 01, 2011, 10:14:09 PM
Think of this:

If there was nothing, there will always be nothing.

Well no.  Think of a sine wave or an oscillation.  Both pass through zero - nothing can be a transient state.  We do not YET know what was on the other side of the Big Bang, or if nothing is unstable in terms of quantum mechanics.  Evidence is emerging in this area - it takes enquiring open minds to encourage this work.  Religion is blocking its ears on this and claiming it knows better - that it knows with absolute certainty GOD CAME FROM NOWHERE and MADE STUFF FROM NOTHING!  Do you see a problem here?  :-\


I did not came here to turn you into believers, I simply came to know more about you. :)

It seems like you are succeeding  :)  I wonder ... are you leaning about yourself too? ;)
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: ParkingPlaces on April 01, 2011, 10:35:08 PM
Think of this:

If there was nothing, there will always be nothing.


I did not came here to turn you into believers, I simply came to know more about you. :)

It turns out that 'nothing' is very hard to achieve. Given that energy can turn into matter and matter into energy, all it takes is a tiny bit of differing potential to create energy, which in turn can, form time to time, turn into to matter, and bingo, there is no nothing any more.

There is math to prove this, but you have to get way past flunking algebra to understand it.

Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Astreja on April 02, 2011, 01:44:17 AM
Think of this:

If there was nothing, there will always be nothing.
Well, Avascar, right away I can see two hypothetical solutions to this problem.

One:  Perhaps there has always been "something" and it just keeps changing form.

Two:  Perhaps "nothing" is capable of toggling into "something" through some not-yet-explained phenomenon.  For all we know, the Big Bang could be a chain reaction from a single quantum fluctuation switching from 0 to 1.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: OnePerson on April 02, 2011, 04:37:47 AM
I know I'm ignorant, like all of you, we all still have much to learn.

Yes, but not all of us try to argue about things that we're ignorant about.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Hatter23 on April 02, 2011, 12:13:20 PM
Think of this:

If there was nothing, there will always be nothing.
Well, Avascar, right away I can see two hypothetical solutions to this problem.

One:  Perhaps there has always been "something" and it just keeps changing form.

Two:  Perhaps "nothing" is capable of toggling into "something" through some not-yet-explained phenomenon.  For all we know, the Big Bang could be a chain reaction from a single quantum fluctuation switching from 0 to 1.

I call this the Underwear Gnomes school of theistic thought

Step One: Find something that current scientific models are unable to measure or sufficiently explain

Step Two: (Shrug)

Step Three: Declare the God of Christendom exists!
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Zankuu on April 02, 2011, 12:49:04 PM
If there was nothing, there will always be nothing.

For me, there is a very big difference between concepts I consider to be "nothing" and "absolute nothing." When I imagine nothing I think of an absence of any type of matter in a three dimensional (or more) vacuum. But this vacuum is still bound to time and dimensions. When I imagine absolute nothing, on the other hand, there is no time, no vacuum, no dimensions; absolutely nothing. It's hard for me to grasp.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Omen on April 02, 2011, 03:59:12 PM
"If we came from monkeys, there's supposed to be no more monkeys. There's still monkeys. WTF?" and all.

Answer?

Do you mean point out that you made an absurd statement that presumes components of a scientific subject falsely, then demand to know why?

Which you of course promptly abandoned.

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I know I'm ignorant

If you already knew you were ignorant of a subject, why did you presume concepts about that subject falsely?

I know the question might be a little harsh, considering you more than likely are simply repeating some rhetoric hand fed to you by an equally dishonest person.  However, since you're not exactly bringing anything 'new' to the game of discussion or debate, has it ever occurred to you that everything you've been told isn't exactly true?

The monkey one is an excellent example, where the explanations behind evolutionary mechanisms do not necessarily preclude that one species could not exist alongside a species that evolved from it.  The answer to explain to you why is simple enough, however it doesn't necessarily answer why you came to that conclusion in the first place.  If someone is purposefully misrepresenting basic science to you, have you ever bothered to ask why?

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like all of you, we all still have much to learn.

This is nonsense, no one claimed to know everything.  Only that what you claimed about a singular subject, proves that you know nothing about that subject.  Then you were asked why, which I still demand an answer too.

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I tried and make this thread the clearest I can >_> Guess I gotta work harder on that.

You're young, notions come and go based on a confusing series of emotions and information, leaving you inevitably prone to mistake.  The only thing you need be aware of is that you're approaching us with a loaded set of beliefs or presuppositions that are blatantly at odds with reality.  Science is simply the icing on the cake of the kinds of distorted rhetoric that flows from christian apologetics.  Do note that this doesn't necessarily mean all christians, since not all christians are so threatened by other subjects as to have to lie about them repeatedly in justification of their own beliefs.

I would advise you to throw everything you've been told about atheist by a christian away.

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I may soon create a thread on what you guys have to say on life. (creation of the universe, ect)

I would love it if you responded to the questions already in this thread, as well as explain why is it that you believe the notions in your questions about us still being around while monkeys still exist?

Don't be afraid to answer because you might be wrong.  I only ask because I want to find out where you got this information from, I want to know how the misinformation flows from adult to child as part of the indoctrination of a religious belief.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Omen on April 02, 2011, 04:02:05 PM
If there was nothing, there will always be nothing.

If the universe did come from nothing, then the total sum of energy/matter in the universe should be 0.

Quantum fluctuations occur all the time, spitting out particles out of nothing all the time.  They annihilate each other to return to nothing, yet it still happens.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Blaze on April 03, 2011, 10:03:53 AM
Think of this:

If there was nothing, there will always be nothing.

Not necessarily.

To put it simply, 0 can be given as the sum of +2 and -2. 0 = +2 -2.

0 is nothing. But +2 and -2 are symmetrically opposite somethings. Their sum amounts to nothing, but they still exist.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Anfauglir on April 04, 2011, 08:01:10 AM
Okay.... Since there was so many replies..... I'll just post in here without quoting ._.".....I tried and make this thread the clearest I can >_> Guess I gotta work harder on that......I may soon create a thread on what you guys have to say on life.

Or better yet: reply here to the questions you have been asked.  THAT would surely make your thread (and your thoughts) clearer, would it not? 

If you say "this", and we say "but what about...", then you saying "ah, because...." is probably the best way of making your thoughts clear.  Starting a whole parcel of other threads is probably NOT the best idea.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: velkyn on April 04, 2011, 10:07:13 AM
Okay.... Since there was so many replies..... I'll just post in here without quoting ._."
Some of you answered the questioner's question, like "If we came from monkeys, there's supposed to be no more monkeys. There's still monkeys. WTF?" and all.
You said something stupid here, Av.  You would know why there are still monkeys if you did any research at all.  But no, you just spew the usual regurgitated lies that Christians tell each other. 

I know I'm ignorant, like all of you, we all still have much to learn.
I tried and make this thread the clearest I can >_> Guess I gotta work harder on that.[/quote]  Wow, nice attempt to compare those who know lots of things to you who is so amazing ignorant on even the basics.  No, you are not like me, Av.  I am intelligent, I research and I don't act like an arrogant little  Christian who doesn't even know their own religion. 

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Anyways, thank you all for feedback. :)
I may soon create a thread on what you guys have to say on life. (creation of the universe, ect)
Thank you ;D


Let me guess, you'll spew the usual special pleading, first cause, fine tuning, BS that  you've been told.   Been there, done that, Av.  Read the forum about those things rather than wasting your time.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: plethora on April 04, 2011, 10:13:43 AM
Some of you answered the questioner's question, like "If we came from monkeys, there's supposed to be no more monkeys. There's still monkeys. WTF?" and all.

Here ... it can't be explained any easier than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0F4FBLJRE
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Jim on April 04, 2011, 10:42:41 AM
^ Yes, but that video has the very-hated Richard Dawkins, spawn of Satan.  A proper God-fearing Godfearer would never click the "play" button.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Alzael on April 04, 2011, 10:51:58 AM

Here ... it can't be explained any easier than this:


Sure it can. Just ask him this. "If I came from my parents, why are my parents still around?" As soon as he thinks of this, he'll have the answer to his question too.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: jetson on April 04, 2011, 12:33:52 PM
^ Yes, but that video has the very-hated Richard Dawkins, spawn of Satan.  A proper God-fearing Godfearer would never click the "play" button.

Maybe they should replace that nicely dressed, very white woman, with a dark brown, very hairy man, without clothing?  Nah, probably wouldn't help much...
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Emily on April 04, 2011, 04:58:31 PM
You know what I hate the most? Questions like "where did the universe come from" or "why are there still monkeys" blah, blah, blah. Even if Darwinian evolution is proven to be completely wrong why can't people get it through their skulls that that doesn't instantly make their god right? Aside from the obvious in that evolution says nothing about a decline in monkeys, and the obvious that there is a universe, so where'd that come from, the whole OP is about the god of the bible. Sure, some god could've created the universe and all that's in it, but it's definitely not the god of the bible.

Why do people claim it takes faith to be a "big banger" or "evolutionist" when it takes an even larger leap of faith to say, "Ok, a god must've created this universe and all of us. That god YHWH"? Why skip over the whole proving that we were created the way Genesis chapter 1 and 2 says, and the whole point of proving that YHWH rapped a woman named Mary, at the time of Herod (or during the first census?!? which happened after Herod had died) and that her offspring would go on to same mankind of their sins? What gives?!?

 Even with all the answers to "who is god" or "who created god" it takes a hell of a large leap of faith to go on to claim that the "bible is 100% true". Either way your answer to question number three is not very convincing, not in the least. Are you basis the validity of the bible on ancient cities? Why? Big deal. There's a lot of the bible that needed to be proven other than ancient cities. Just read the very first verse.

Not to be a bitch but your answers aren't really helpful in helping anyone understand the god of the bible's true nature.

...and this question and answer;
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Q: Did God really create the Earth in seven days?
A: Yes, he did. Some people said it took billions of years, there wrong. Changing and creating is completely different. It took billions of years to change the Earth, it only took 7 days to create the Earth. You heard of the Big Bang? If true, the Big Bang lasted 0.0000000001 millisecond (Or something). Then God merged rocks and put magma in it, then let it rotate to a sun at the perfect distance, then God changed the world so we humans can live

Did you know that the earth was formed about 10 billion years after the big bang. Even if you take away the part about god merging rock and magma you don't even come close to what the big bang theory states, and this takes a giant leap of faith to even believe in such a thing. For starters the sun is not at a perfect distance. A perfect distance wouldn't need to be elliptical, which is what the earth's distance is. Twice a year the earth is the further from the sun, and closest to the sun (aphelion and perihelion), and there's a difference of 94 million and 91 million miles between the two times of year. That's a three million mile difference between when the earth is furthest from and closest to the sun where life is known to be able to exist. That's a large distance. A perfect distance would not needs to change.

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1: If the Big Bang created the universe, what were the chemicals that caused it? And what created those chemicals that caused the Big Bang? And what created those chemicals that created those chemicals that created the Big Bang? (ect ect)

Blah, blah, blah. Well, if the cyclical model is correct we are only one universe is a long series of universe, one that formed out of a previous. Unfortunately science has only gone back as far as 10-43 seconds after the big bang, so where those "chemicals" came from is still up in the air. Anything regarding cosmogony is only going to be a theory and possible not answer the question of "where" everything came from. It'll only give one possibility of perhaps a long list of explanations. Fortunately for us god is and never will be part of the scientific explanation.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Omen on April 04, 2011, 05:04:40 PM
t that doesn't instantly make their god right? Aside from the obvious in that evolution says nothing about a decline in monkeys, and the obvious that ther

I think you can begin most arguments against apologist by completely insisting that regardless of their position or your own counter argument, a god could exist regardless in every situation.  It really speaks to the lack of intellectual value in apologist positions, which are inherently targeted towards audiences of people who believe already and often in terms of a confirmation bias towards their cultural beliefs.  More so when it involves science; the big bang, evolution, and the origins of life could all be absolutely true* and a god still exist.
 
Apologetic arguments often dehumanize and misrepresent counter positions or imagined counter positions, simply because it makes a convenient bogey man.  Atheists, other religions, or even the perception of 'true believers' vs 'false believers', all builds towards reinforcing a belief system which is dependent upon xenophobic notions/absolutes.

*Nothing in science is absolute, but for the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Ultra on June 03, 2011, 07:25:43 AM
1. It seems to me that you have come to this forum to make "random" statements and reject any possible evidence of the non-existence of any God that we provide.

2. But if you really think about it. It actually seems like you are secretly doubting God and are trying to find answers on a forum full of atheists by stating your opinions and getting criticism on them to know if they are right or wrong.

3.From what I've seen on these posts so far, you clearly don't understand half of the things everyone is talking about. So I am going to have to ask everyone else to be more simple in helping this guy out.

4. Have you even read the information on www.whywontgodhealamputees.com before you went on the forum?

5. Suppose I live in a town that strongly believes in the existence of leprechauns. The town's faith in these leprechauns is so strong that the town's folk have built a building in which they would gather and think and talk to the magical being. Does this sound familiar?
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: nogodsforme on June 06, 2011, 04:04:14 PM
That "why are there still monkeys" business (heh) implies that there was one monkey and it magically turned into one human being:
<Monkey. Briiiiiiinnnng! Tadah! Human.>

Like the barbie doll whose hair changes color when you wet it. Actually, not like that at all because the hair turns back when it dries. Forget that.
 
If that is what they think the theory of evolution says....no wonder they don't know why scientists think it is true.

But. That. Is. Not. What. The. Theory. Says. &)
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: jaimehlers on June 16, 2011, 01:46:58 AM
I have to honestly ask some questions.  Not about your religious ideas, but about some of the non-religious things you said which don't make sense.

Anyways, let's start with my facts on why all this life is NOT an accident. (in my opinion)

1: If the Big Bang created the universe, what were the chemicals that caused it? And what created those chemicals that caused the Big Bang? And what created those chemicals that created those chemicals that created the Big Bang? (ect ect)

2: Why is the universe followed by laws. Such as gravity, ect ect.

3: Where did water come from? How was it created? (in space)

EVOLUTION: If we came from monkeys, there's supposed to be no more monkeys. There are still monkeys. WTF?  :-\
First.  If you're giving facts, why did you put them in the form of questions?  Questions generally imply one of two things; that a person doesn't know the answer and is asking, or a person is putting it rhetorically, not expecting it to be answered.  These were neither.

Second.  Why do you think the Big Bang was caused by chemicals?  An explosion is simply defined as something expanding or bursting apart at a very rapid rate.  No part of that suggests that explosions can only be caused by chemicals.  If someone used a magnetic accelerator to fling a rock at something at a very high speed, and it hit something that stopped it, it could easily cause an explosion due to the release of kinetic energy in all directions by the fact that it can no longer go forwards.

Third.  Why do you think the laws of the universe had to be put in place by someone?  Scientific laws are expressions of forces, so for example, the law of gravity is an expression of the attractive force generated by one mass on another.  What about that suggests that these forces had to be deliberately enacted, instead of simply being natural extensions of the basic nature of matter and energy?

Fourth.  Why do you think water was created in space?  Water is a chemical reaction between an oxygen and two hydrogen atoms (H2O), where they 'share' electrons and thus form a very strong bond.  Space, by definition, has very little matter in it, and thus there is little chance of hydrogen and oxygen atoms meeting by chance in order to form water.  In any case, if there is sufficient free oxygen and hydrogen around, water can form very easily, as the the chemical reaction which forms it releases energy (thus, it only takes a tiny amount of energy to cause a chain reaction which can convert a very large amount of H2 and O2 into H2O).  Nobody had to 'create' water in other words, it just formed as a natural consequence of the presence of free oxygen and hydrogen in the same place.

Fifth.  Why do you think evolution requires the presence of humans to be counterbalanced by the lack of monkeys?  Even if, just for the sake of argument, humans did evolve from monkeys (which is not true; both evolved from a common ancestor), the fact of the matter is that the theory of evolution doesn't require that a daughter species supplant its parent.  The short form of evolution is that an organism better-adapted to its environment is more likely to survive to reproduce than one which is not.  If both daughter and parent are adapted in different ways, both of which give a survival advantage, then both are likely to survive and prosper unless they are forced to compete for limited food resources.  Then, perhaps, one would supplant the other, if its survival advantage were enough greater to give it a clear edge over the other.  And that doesn't necessarily mean that the daughter species will supplant the parent; perhaps the parent's advantage will allow it to compete for scarce resources better than the daughter's.

Sixth.  What do these questions have to do with your premise that life is not an accident?  For example, the Big Bang, the physical forces, and the formation of water do not necessarily have anything at all to do with whether life is an accident or not.  If the former three were all purposeful, it does not follow that life was also purposeful; if the former three were all accidental, it does not follow that life was also accidental.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Ambassador Pony on June 16, 2011, 04:28:54 AM
Jaimehlers,

Welcome to the forum. Your post was not wasted breath (avascar has run away), I enjoyed it.

Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: RNS on June 16, 2011, 04:50:40 AM
i know most of you know this, but some people aren't making it clear that chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys

and that humans evolved from apes... not monkeys
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: jaimehlers on June 16, 2011, 10:08:25 AM
Jaimehlers,

Welcome to the forum. Your post was not wasted breath (avascar has run away), I enjoyed it.
Thank you.  I have never been fond of the tendency of people to try to twist scientific conclusions because of their theology, and that includes presenting 'facts' which bear no resemblance to reality.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: nogodsforme on June 16, 2011, 11:46:26 AM
Also, they ignore the flaw in the basis of their argument: it is impossible for the universe to have "just happened" because it is all too complex and massive to comprehend. It could not have come about naturally or have always existed. So they posit that the universe was created by an even more complex more massive entity. That always existed or came about naturally? Wha? :o :?

That's like saying that this delicious cake was created by... a bigger, better more delicious cake. Which explains exactly nothing. So, let's all worship the imaginary cake! :P
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Contradiction on July 10, 2011, 01:03:15 PM
You really just proved why I don't bekieve in god. If you want to say that god doesn't need a creator; then it is the fallacy of special pleading...
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: CARZ on August 21, 2011, 10:41:48 AM
About Noah and the arch and the animals (sorry for miss spelling)...

Since God is all mighty, and he knows the future... why do you think he did that stuff of the inundation, if he knew in advance it was not going to work? also "creating" the rainbow as a reminder of his failure? not to mention it is impossible for an old man to build such ship, gather all the animals in the world, have food for all of them... it's just a lie, but let's imagine it was true... ;D really funny to imagine an old man gattering all kind of animals... food for all of them... and God doing all this massive massacre for nothing, as you and everyone knows, evil is pretty much alive and still happening everywhere...

So, what is the message of the rainbow? that it's pretty...? to me, it means how weak God is... even in his best seller: The Bible.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Willie on August 21, 2011, 11:29:38 AM
(sorry for miss spelling)...
No problem. She visits here quite often.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: CARZ on August 21, 2011, 06:45:30 PM
Is that your best reply? a dumb comment...? I guess you, your friends and everyone in your family speak a lot of languajes, because of that, you find funny my english mistakes.

Maybe you were bored... or in a hurry? that might be the reason for going off topic, and not even correcting me in a constructive way? if that's not the case, try to get on topic, or at least refer to the point we are discussing... if you're going to correct someone, some hints could be useful.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Willie on August 21, 2011, 07:39:17 PM
Is that your best reply? a dumb comment...? I guess you, your friends and everyone in your family speak a lot of languajes, because of that, you find funny my english mistakes.

Maybe you were bored... or in a hurry? that might be the reason for going off topic, and not even correcting me in a constructive way? if that's not the case, try to get on topic, or at least refer to the point we are discussing... if you're going to correct someone, some hints could be useful.

You're taking yourself, and my reply, much too seriously. That particular error was mildly humorous. Not in the "look at the dummy who can't spell" way that you seem to think I intended, but just the accidental double meaning in itself. Relax. I'm not out to get you. And I'm actually not a fan of picking on people for spelling/grammar errors. My apologies for coming off that way.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Brakeman on August 23, 2011, 05:55:13 AM
This might not go as well as you are hoping.  Be strong, and remain calm.  Oh, and good luck!

Yeah I will, :) Thanks

Although, I'm not surprised that haters will reply in a forum  :-\
not haters just rational people.....unlike believers

Actually compassionate rational people. Someone that is in on the "con" and doesn't let you know that you're being fooled, is not your friend.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Kitty Vincent on August 27, 2011, 05:02:39 PM
I felt this post was a tad bit "Tl;DR", but I did read some of the examples.

Did anyone else catch the satirical nature of the poster's post?  Hmm, just wondering.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Death over Life on August 28, 2011, 10:24:55 AM
Some of you answered the questioner's question, like "If we came from monkeys, there's supposed to be no more monkeys. There's still monkeys. WTF?" and all.

Here ... it can't be explained any easier than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0F4FBLJRE



Here ... it can't be explained any easier than this:


Sure it can. Just ask him this. "If I came from my parents, why are my parents still around?" As soon as he thinks of this, he'll have the answer to his question too.

The other day, I myself just had that very question asked. I did reply that even though I didn’t know all the answers, I did mention kind of what Dawkins said in the fact that there were various strains that split off and evolved into what we have today, and Dawkins showed that example of Humans vs. Bonobos and Chimpanzees. I was kind of explaining the blue lines to my friend.

Really wished I saw these a couple days ago, and great reply Alzael! Didn’t even think of that kind of reply when people say that.

The most ironic thing of all is, it wasn’t from a Christian, but a guy who strongly believes in the Ancient Astronauts/Aliens theories are correct. He really believes strongly of shows like Ancient Aliens on the History Channel and the book Chariot of the Gods to be True. I’m actually thinking of making a thread on this theory in the religious section to see just how accurate or bs it is. I still think it is bs because from everything I saw, it is all pseudo-science and pseudo-history. Every body (like the Christians) seems to not know how Science works. We do hypothesis, theories, experiment, research, excavate the evidence, evaluate all the data and research, then we come to a conclusion about our evidence and hypothesis. What all these people enjoy doing, is creating a conclusion, then base everything off of this conclusion as evidence, hence the pseudo.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: wwdriver on October 30, 2011, 04:34:19 PM
You should read the old testament. It will show God to be one of the most unpleasant, incompetent, vile, disgusting, horrifying, brutal and homicidal characters in human fiction.
I think this is probably the most truthful and important thing I have read all day. Thank you, Asmoday. (Gee whiz - I hope I got the quote right and attributed to the right person.) The phrase "in human fiction" is especially appropriate.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Illuminatus99 on November 21, 2011, 04:07:36 AM
I don't think any noteworthy scientist ever said we came from monkeys.  And even if we did come from monkeys, that wouldn't mean there aren't any monkeys left.

No evolutionary mechanism requires that it does, which begs the obvious question of why does this teenager believe that it does.  Either his education failed him, he simply doesn't get it, he's lying, or someone told him differently.

Since americans came from europeans there are no longer europeans...
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Illuminatus99 on November 21, 2011, 04:13:51 AM
About Noah and the arch and the animals (sorry for miss spelling)...

Since God is all mighty, and he knows the future... why do you think he did that stuff of the inundation, if he knew in advance it was not going to work? also "creating" the rainbow as a reminder of his failure? not to mention it is impossible for an old man to build such ship, gather all the animals in the world, have food for all of them... it's just a lie, but let's imagine it was true... ;D really funny to imagine an old man gattering all kind of animals... food for all of them... and God doing all this massive massacre for nothing, as you and everyone knows, evil is pretty much alive and still happening everywhere...

So, what is the message of the rainbow? that it's pretty...? to me, it means how weak God is... even in his best seller: The Bible.

On top of that wasn't the death of jesus supposed to pay for all the sins? If that's the case then why bother being good anymore? The sins have been paid so we should all sin as much as possible so he didn't die for nothing.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Illuminatus99 on November 21, 2011, 04:18:50 AM
Fifth.  Why do you think evolution requires the presence of humans to be counterbalanced by the lack of monkeys?  Even if, just for the sake of argument, humans did evolve from monkeys (which is not true; both evolved from a common ancestor), the fact of the matter is that the theory of evolution doesn't require that a daughter species supplant its parent.  The short form of evolution is that an organism better-adapted to its environment is more likely to survive to reproduce than one which is not.  If both daughter and parent are adapted in different ways, both of which give a survival advantage, then both are likely to survive and prosper unless they are forced to compete for limited food resources.  Then, perhaps, one would supplant the other, if its survival advantage were enough greater to give it a clear edge over the other.  And that doesn't necessarily mean that the daughter species will supplant the parent; perhaps the parent's advantage will allow it to compete for scarce resources better than the daughter's.

This one is easy. When monkeys evolved into humans, mice evolved into monkeys, lizards evolved into mice, fish evolved into lizards, and Jesus made new fish to replace the ones that evolved.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: nogodsforme on November 21, 2011, 05:27:23 PM
Fifth.  Why do you think evolution requires the presence of humans to be counterbalanced by the lack of monkeys?  Even if, just for the sake of argument, humans did evolve from monkeys (which is not true; both evolved from a common ancestor), the fact of the matter is that the theory of evolution doesn't require that a daughter species supplant its parent.  The short form of evolution is that an organism better-adapted to its environment is more likely to survive to reproduce than one which is not.  If both daughter and parent are adapted in different ways, both of which give a survival advantage, then both are likely to survive and prosper unless they are forced to compete for limited food resources.  Then, perhaps, one would supplant the other, if its survival advantage were enough greater to give it a clear edge over the other.  And that doesn't necessarily mean that the daughter species will supplant the parent; perhaps the parent's advantage will allow it to compete for scarce resources better than the daughter's.

This one is easy. When monkeys evolved into humans, mice evolved into monkeys, lizards evolved into mice, fish evolved into lizards, and Jesus made new fish to replace the ones that evolved.

And the mice turned into coachmen and the pumpkin turned into a beautiful, if unaerodynamic coach. bippity boppity boo!
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Steveox on January 11, 2012, 05:14:08 AM
God doesnt excist,,Cause if he does dont you think my prayers would been answered? It says in the bible whatever you pray for in my name you shall receive it. Some of the prayers are private and importaint to me. Never got answered   :(
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Jake on March 04, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
Poll Comment of Mine:  :o Someone ACTUALLY voted the most negative option!?

Hopefully my 30-minutes-of-thinking-up-a-title title brought interest :)

This post will be of my pure opinion, please no hate or anything like "Stfu God doesn't exist" or anything like "Dude, just grow up, God doesn't exist. Period." (Christians are pretty offended by Athiests saying "GOD DOESNT EXIST HAHAHAHA:  :'( ) or anything that does not show any evidence on why you don't believe in God. Thanks :D

Anyways, let's go with the FAQ about God.

If we must.   


FAQ:

Q: Who is God?
A: He is the Creator of everything, his son is Jesus and his mother is Mary. I think...

I prefer Ralphonzo Delichenzo Ferdinando Apropos "Captain Stupendous" Pope Poo, who is the third cousin of Super Mario and also happens to be pansexual.    Really pansexual.    As in 'don't leave that Ralphonzo alone with anything, ever' pansexual.      He's got a problem, don't judge him.



Q: Who created God?
A: Good question, but no one created God, not even God himself. He is the Uncreated Creator, that's why he has no appearance :D

The correct answer is:  me.   I did it.    I was bored.    Not my proudest moment.    Don't you hate it when pranks get out of hand?     I've learned my lesson though.    I forgive me.



Q: Is the bible true?
A: I'm pretty sure it's 100% true. Besides, I heard that scientists heard Egypt in the bible, so he started finding it, and they found it :D (I think they found more ancient cities found in the bible)

I heard that if you crush Fruity Pebbles into powder and mix that powder with bird milk, you create a paste that, if spread on your big toes, will let you run at the speed of light. 



Q: Why is there an old testament?
A: I skipped that part due to its history. (me dunt liek history  >:( ) It shows on what happened in the past, and it happened before Jesus came. So basically it was created by God for Jews.

Oh, you silly, it wasn't created by god for jews; it was created by Ralphonzo because he's SHY.     He's very humble, Ralphonzo is, so he wrote it while trying to give all the glory to someone else.   Or blame someone else for his incompetence.   Never can be sure with that rascally Ralphonzo...


Q: Why God doesn't show himself to us?
A: If your talking about God The Father, he doesn't have an appearance. If your talking about Jesus, its because it's not in his plan, or some other reason that doesn't waste his time (sorry if i offend you  :-X )

Smells like a conspiracy to me.   Maybe if we get some mirrors and some fruity pebble/bird milk paste and lure god out using it as bait, we can look BEHIND god and see if he's REALLY invisible...or if he's just frontally invisible!  YEAH!


Q: I saw these miracles and they said God did it. Are they true?
A: It really depends, some are and some are not.  The false ones are just to bring attention, period. The true ones, however, are kind of hard to believe. But very few have enough proof to be real and from God.

I see miracles all the time.   Just find 34th street and it's like, miracles ever day, all day.    Can't hardly walk down 34th street without getting bumped by a miracle, tripping over a miracle, falling down a manhole and landing on a miracle.    Crazy ol' world, right?


Q: Why doesn't God help us?
A: You are dead wrong. God DOES help us, just indirectly. Let's say this: A bear was peacefully eating blueberries, until 2 hunters came and is aiming at the bear with guns. You saw them, and wanted to help the bear, so you chop a tree down blocking the hunters sight and letting the bear live and run away from the hunters. It's like that, he indirectly helps us.

So, wait; god's out in the woods cutting down trees to save bears?    That is SO COOL!   


Q: Why God doesn't answer our prayers?
A: He does, but indirectly. Like if you wanted to be guided to a town while it's midnight and your lost in a forest. God will send a light bug or something and it will lead you to a town. It's like that. But most of the time he doesn't answer our prayers. If we tell him "Please answer this prayer", what does he have to say? Nothing. If you tell him a prayer like "Today was really great", he won't answer because he has nothing to say.


So, I hate to rain on the joy parade here (I was really getting into it too :(  ), but what about all the people that die horribly or get raped and murdered and, y'know, all this other absolutely horrible stuff that we can bet at least some of them were praying to be spared/saved/rescued/etcetera from?       And what happens if two people are fighting and they're both praying for victory?

I'm losing my faith here a little.   These are haarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd!


Q: Is Jesus really the son of God?
A: Yes, he said that A MILLION TIMES (expression). He did miracles, but are they true? Look to the next question!

I don't know if I can.   That last question made me SUPER SAD!   :( :( :(


Q: Are Jesus' miracles true?
A: Many do not believe Jesus' miracles because it's too hard to believe. Our minds are basic, only designed for free will.

I bet it's like history.    Stupid history and miracles being hard to believe and other hard things being hard.


Q: Why is there suffering in the world?
A: We do many bad things, and we really arn't supposed to avoid the sufferings. Jesus has a plan that no one can understand. There are reasons why there are suffering in this world, maybe because we sinned way too much, or maybe so they can believe in Jesus, I don't even know.

Ralphonzo is a jerkass sometimes.   Seriously, sometimes he's all "I want that baby to die in a tornado, ahahahaha!" and then it happens.   And sometimes he's all "You look like you could use some CANCER, nice lady that never did anything wrong to anybody, ahahahaha!"      And other times he's all "Aww, look at these people, all hungry.   NO FOOD FOR YOU, AHAHAHAHA!"

Seriously, Ralphonzo's a real dick from time to time.    It's pretty easy to understand though; he's completely and absolutely insane.    He does nice things with the same random (yet cleverly inscrutible!) commonality.     You never know with Ralphonzo!  (Oh man, that's soo coooooool that that rhymed...)


Q: Why is there evil in the world?
A: Ahhh, something so I can really express my opinion to others! The Devil (Satan) does not bring evil to the world, but us.
Once, Adam and Eve had a peaceful life, everything was perfect, they also did not eat meat (it explains how Adam died in in the age of 821 or something). But, they ate the fruit of the Knowledge, which gave us a taste of what is good and bad. They only ate a bite, not a whole, so this bite from Adam and Eve... Changed our world, forever.  God then punished them, then their children sinned, and their grandchildren sinned, and so on. BUT, some people did not sin (Noah, for example). We cause evil, because we cause sins to others. For example; We steal, the one who got stolen does revenge; Someone murders, someone avenges the one who got murdered by killing; Someone died, someone goes nuts.

WRONG!    Ralphonzo did it, but he blamed them for it and then kicked them out because he really just wanted them gone so he could have his neato garden all to himself again, but he's a passive-aggressive little turd sometimes (oh that rascally Ralphonzo!) and made up all this garbage to convince them it was their fault.      He's really a jerkwad sometimes, isn't he?


Q: Why did the flood occured during Noah's time?
A: Noah was the only good person (literally) in the whole world. God The Father wanted to wipe out all the humans except Noah and his family and animals. Why did God did this? Imagine your friend kicking you and stealing your stuff, and the murdering you in a night. Scary huh? Yeah, they were that bad. So God told Noah to make an ark and gather all the animals and stuff.


Oh you silly, this isn't true!     This is what happens when Ralphonzo goes on a bender and passes out in the tub with the water running.    The only reason humanity survived is 'cause Ralphonzo woke up in time to shut the water off.   


Q: Did God really create the Earth in seven days?
A: Yes, he did. Some people said it took billions of years, there wrong. Changing and creating is completely different. It took billions of years to change the Earth, it only took 7 days to create the Earth. You heard of the Big Bang? If true, the Big Bang lasted 0.0000000001 millisecond (Or something). Then God merged rocks and put magma in it, then let it rotate to a sun at the perfect distance, then God changed the world so we humans can live.

Now you're just being goofy.   Ralphonzo created the earth out of earwax and hired some alchemists to transmute it all into other things, but they weren't perfect and so we still get earwax in our ears, just like Ralphonzo.   


Q: Why in the old testament it says that those who sinned must be put to death?
A: There's a reason why it's called the Old Testament, can't you read the Table of Contents in the Bible?
We all deserve to be put to death, but God gave us another chance by sending Jesus and he died for our sins.

Ralphonzo would like for you to know that he wrote the table of contents...wrong.  On purpose.   OH THAT RASCALLY RALPHONZO!



Q: When will be the end of the world?
A: Even Jesus doesn't even know when the world will end. God The Father has all knowledge (obvious), and there in the bible Jesus said his last words: My God My God, Why have you forsaken me?

Ralphonzo plans on devouring the world just as soon as he remembers to create an appropriate world-devouring sauce to go with it.    He's already got the perfect vintage of Whine, so it could be ANY MOMENT NOW!   



Q: When I told God I want something, why didn't he gave me the gift?
A: If you asked for him like "I want to kill everyone!" that's an obvious no. If you asked him like "I want a desktop!" he'll give you a better gift. If you asked him like "I want money!" then he'll say no because there's no reason for God to give you money, just for your greed. If you asked him with a reason like "I want money so I can feed my family!" He'll send someone or something that is unexpected and give you some money. If you ask him something impossible like "I want a farm in our desert!" He'll give you something better because the impossible is limited in our minds.

Ralphonzo would like for you to know that people are always asking him for things, but he's pretty sure that giving people a hard time is better than they deserve.     If you've ever had, have or know someone that's ever had a hard time...voila, proof of Ralphonzo.   



Q: Why are you doing this?
A: I was so frustrated that you all don't believe in God. So I came here, and wanted to show you guys this.

I can understand your frustration.   Ralphonzo thinks you're a tool though.     He's kind've a jerkwad, but, supreme being, whaddya do?    He's now being all "I take bigger shits than this kid!   Why I oughta...oughta...oh hey, look at what I can do!   TEENAGE MUTANT PLANCK SCALE TORTOISES ARE NOW WHAT REALITY IS MADE OUT OF, AHAHAHAHA!"

Such a rascal, that Ralphonzo!



Q: Why God hides himself?
A: I don't know. But it's part of his plan, many are really curious about this. But in my opinion, read this: Let's say I'm God (for example). I created you all, and then many of you don't believe in me. I'm kind of angry, and I see you guys turn evil very slowly, but in heaven 1000 years in Earth if a day in heaven, so I see you guys change a lot. But all of you wanted to see me, I refuse because that is not in my plan. It will waste my time, I don't have the time to do something so pathetic. (Sorry if I offend you  :( )

Oh, you're so silly!     Ralphonzo isn't hidden at all.   You just really suck at hide and seek.    Everyone sucks at hide and seek, apparently.      It has been privately revealed to me that if we all weren't such dumbshits, we'd just scoot over to the Andromeda galaxy and, voila, there we'd find Ralphonzo having a giant party all the time with people that are cooler than us.

A party to which we clearly weren't invited, which is why we're over here, sucking at everything, including hide and seek.   



Q: Why do you believe in God?
A: 1: I don't want to go to Hell. 2: Just to be safe. 3: I just do. 4: It's my life. 5: He cheers me up.

Ralphonzo doesn't believe in your god, but he does believe in Star Wars.    He's not sure why.   He hates Star Wars in fact, but he believes in it anyway.   Speculates that it's to spite himself.   




Q: (by someone who asked me a question in my intro thread) How do I know my particular version of religion is the OneTrueChristian?
A: The bible brings true christians. Edited Bibles are not. If you are a Christian, you may want to read The New Testament to know Jesus' teachings well, in my deep honest opinion. You can skip the old testament, which is old.... And a testament... And is old...


Ralphonzo approves of this message...at least, the part with the elipses...he likes elipses...but he won't...say...why...


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Now, that was quite a long FAQ, I might add more if anyone has any more questions by replying :)

Anyways, let's start with my facts on why all this life is NOT an accident. (in my opinion)


Ralphonzo is eager to hear what you said eternity ago!    He's omnipresent and omniscient, you see, so he knew this in all tenses already.


1: If the Big Bang created the universe, what were the chemicals that caused it? And what created those chemicals that caused the Big Bang? And what created those chemicals that created those chemicals that created the Big Bang? (ect ect)

Ralphonzo thinks you ask stupid questions and should, instead, be wondering what you're going to do about that thing that's going to happen to you...soon.    That terrible thing that he won't reveal to me that if ONLY you'd known about, you could have avoided and gotten the appropriate treatment for.   

Now he's playing Jazz Hands in the mirror.    That rascally Ralphonzo!


2: Why is the universe followed by laws. Such as gravity, ect ect.

There is no gravity.    That's just a byproduct of party ball rotation.   Ralphonzo won't specify what the party ball is or where it is or anything else though.



3: Where did water come from? How was it created? (in space)

Ralphonzo has privately revealed to me that shit gets spilled at parties and we're stupid for wondering this.   



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I guess that's about it. Please reply and don't hate me for this!  :police:


Note: If you ask a question that is in the FAQ I will ignore you. Please read the whole thing.

My past: (extra)
I was a nonbeliever, then when I was young I knew very little about God. But I began to understand him, and became a Christian. Even though I can't go to church, I read short bibles, and is now reading the real bible (GOLDEN PAINTED EDGES!  ;D ). I pray daily, not expecting an answer of God, because I pray summeries of my days.


RANDOMNESS:

EVOLUTION: If we came from monkeys, there's supposed to be no more monkeys. There are still monkeys. WTF?  :-\

ANGER: I'm God. I'm really angry that you don't believe in me. Your doing very evil things, I shall now kill you. :)




Ralphonzo blesses you.    That isn't necessarily a good thing.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Anfauglir on March 05, 2012, 09:17:47 AM
Poll Comment of Mine:  :o Someone ACTUALLY voted the most negative option!?

Hopefully my 30-minutes-of-thinking-up-a-title title brought interest :)

This post will be of my pure opinion, please no hate or anything like "Stfu God doesn't exist" or anything like "Dude, just grow up, God doesn't exist. Period." (Christians are pretty offended by Athiests saying "GOD DOESNT EXIST HAHAHAHA:  :'( ) or anything that does not show any evidence on why you don't believe in God. Thanks :D

Anyways, let's go with the FAQ about God.

If we must.....

Actually, let's not - Jake, Avascar has not been back to the forum for over 3 months, and this thread has been inactive for nearly two months.  
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Jake on March 05, 2012, 09:54:28 AM
Poll Comment of Mine:  :o Someone ACTUALLY voted the most negative option!?

Hopefully my 30-minutes-of-thinking-up-a-title title brought interest :)

This post will be of my pure opinion, please no hate or anything like "Stfu God doesn't exist" or anything like "Dude, just grow up, God doesn't exist. Period." (Christians are pretty offended by Athiests saying "GOD DOESNT EXIST HAHAHAHA:  :'( ) or anything that does not show any evidence on why you don't believe in God. Thanks :D

Anyways, let's go with the FAQ about God.

If we must.....

Actually, let's not - Jake, Avascar has not been back to the forum for over 3 months, and this thread has been inactive for nearly two months.  


Oh?    I didn't notice that.   Sorry for the necropost then!
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: fourthdimension on March 08, 2012, 11:23:30 PM
I don't have the time or the energy to reply to all the assumptions he started this thread with.  In short: My advice is too keep reading the Bible and meditating on its words.  Read for yourself and not just passages a bible study or the pastor told you to read.  Focus especially on Leviticus.  If there is any logical center and compassion for others in any part of your being, the authority of the Bible begins to dry up. 

It's kind of ironic that my Christian faith began to dry up as soon as I started reading the Bible for myself.  I think anyone seeking truth can weed the Bible out as an authority of such, by the time they get through Leviticus.  For others it only takes the first few chapters.
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Seppuku on March 12, 2012, 08:27:28 PM
Quote
on: April 01, 2011, 00:33:59 »

Makes you wonder if this was the OP's original intentions...
Title: Re: To All Atheists Out There
Post by: Tero on March 12, 2012, 08:39:27 PM
Sorry, this is totally boring. I just gave the simple no.

But if you folks are still seeking, by all means seek.