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Title: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 03:41:10 AM
I was on CARM.ORG and stumbled upon this sight. When I was on the site, the site was asking for any Christians to share your belief. I am here not to knock on anyone’s belief. I am here just to share my testimony of Jesus. I was born and raised in Oakland, Ca. If you are not familiar with this area, it is one the most dangerous places to live in America. I was up to no good fighting, drugs, alcohol, etc. I tried to OD off drugs one night because my life was falling apart. I took so much that night, I woke up and saw this figure all black about 10 feet high. I punched it and it became a little poodle running around my room. For two weeks, I thought someone was following me. Through all that, I changed my life and gave my life to Jesus.

I have seen many miracles happen in front of my face. For example, my friend was in the hospital and was not doing good. He had no money for rent. He called me up asking if we can pray because he had no rent money. We prayed and I believed it was paid for. He called the apartment up and it was paid for that month. He called me up again next month because he had no rent. We prayed and he called them up and they said that it was paid for 3 months. After the third month, he called me again for the same reason. We prayed and he called them up. The mentioned it was paid for until the end of the year. He did not have to pay for rent for 2 years and 3 months and did not pay for PG&E for 7 month. Also, there were times he owed like 100 dollars for the electric bill. He prayed and it would either be free or down to about 15 bucks.

Here is another crazy one that is just totally outrageous. One day I dropped my cell phone in my sink. It was filled with water. I pulled my phone out the sink and it was broken. I went to the gym the next day. I saw my friend who I have not seen in about 1 year (he came to my church last year and gave his life to Jesus). We were talking for about 5 minutes. He said to me, "Hey, you called me today." I told him that that was impossible because my phone was broken and I did not have that broken phone with me. He was saying that I did call. He said for me to go with him to his car. When we went to his car, he pulled his phone out. He showed me the received calls.  I am not lying to you. It said that I called him around 5:30 pm and I saw him at the gym around 7:30pm. I was saying that is not possible because my phone was broken and I did not have the phone with me. There is more to it.........He then said to me, "How did you get my new phone number?" He had a new 10 digit phone number!!!!(he had a new area code). What is the chances of me dialing any 7 digit phone number and actually calling you?(like about 1/1000000) How about any 10 numbers? (like one in a trillion). But a broken phone do that? Illogical and impossible. I told him that God was revealing himself to him and blah blah blah.  I took his phone and called my phone and left his new number on my voicemail. Anyone here have AT&T or T mobile? You know those phones have sims cards (you can store your numbers in there) you can take out and put it in another phone. My friend gave me a phone and I put the sim card from my broken phone and put it in my friend's phone. Later that night, I saw my friend's (from the gym) number on my phone (because from the sim card). In my head, I was like maybe I did have his new number. I checked my voicemail and the number on my voicemail and phone were two different numbers. That was truly a miraculous sign. I believe my friend had to see that for him to believe. When I would evangelize, people would tell me that they had to see something big for them to believe in God. I believe this was something he really had to see for him to believe (it also encouraged me alot)

I believe about hearing the voice of the Lord. When I was really young I was able to hear the audible voice of God. I was praying and I fell asleep. In a loud audible voice I heard "Richard!". I opened my eyes and looked around. I knew God woke me up to finish praying. I remember on the airplane going to Africa ( to do missionary work). I was reading my bible. a lady walks by and saw me reading my bible. She started sharing her testimony. She said, “This is what God is doing in my life. If you read the book of Revelations it talks about a women, this women gets these wings, and takes her to a desert place." Then I heard, " Revelation 12." When she left I opened up my bible to that. The story she was talking about was in Revelation 12. I did not know that at all. Jesus told me when I she was talking to me...O yeah in Africa, about 8 people were healed from leprosy when we prayed for them.

I remember of our old Exe. Pastor in church shared how he heard the voice of God. The Lord spoke to him and said to pray for the woman in the blue. He was telling God that he cannot do that because the pastor is preaching. So, he told Jesus to tell the pastor preaching to tell him and then he will pray for the woman. About 5-10 minutes passed and the Pastor stopped his sermon. The pastor looked at him and said, "Hey, the Lord told you to pray for the woman in the blue.”

I have seen exorcists in front of my face too. If you want to hear more stuff,  feel  free the message me. I am new to this site. Thank you for reading. Once again, I am not here to knock what you believe. All I [youtube][youtube][/youtube][/youtube]can do is share my testimony. I hope you were encouraged in any way, shape, or form. Thank you and Jesus loves you!
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 06, 2010, 04:14:51 AM
Illogical and impossible.

Well thanks for sharing all that with us Richard.  I'm sure we are going to have lots of interesting discussions about "illogical and impossible" things with you  :D
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 06, 2010, 04:31:32 AM
O yeah in Africa, about 8 people were healed from leprosy when we prayed for them.

Not exactly eight but "about" eight  :o   Give or take one or a few.   Can you describe their condition before and after being "healed" please.

Any amputees sorted out while you were at it  :shrug 


 
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: OnePerson on September 06, 2010, 04:48:40 AM
People call anything they see miracles these days.  Probably because real miracles are so hard to find, so they latch onto anything that's remotely close.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: plethora on September 06, 2010, 04:55:52 AM
This thread was duplicated here:

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=15657.new#new (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=15657.new#new)

I'll reply in the other thread.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: kin hell on September 06, 2010, 04:57:08 AM
wsyderider  welcome

I suggest you read the forum rules and etiquette before you post anymore.

Your OP as entertaining as it is, clearly fails to follow those guidelines.

This site is not interested in any of your anecdotes, unless you can provide evidence.  Personal experience and testimony is of no use to us at all without corroboration, and is not accepted here.

Perhaps you are not aware of the statement that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".





Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: plethora on September 06, 2010, 04:59:57 AM
wsyderider, since 'god' paid the rent for someone for over 2 years and also helped you magically dial your friend's new number ... and he healed about 8 people in africa ...

... and since he is NOT healing the millions of innocent children starving in africa... or preventing kids from being raped by their pastors...

... would you agree that this god you worship is a major dick?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Operator_011 on September 06, 2010, 05:41:40 AM
Hi wsyderider. Welcome to the forum.


You duplicated this topic in the WWGHA section, where it should not sit as the WWGHA section is to discuss the GII material only. Duplicating the topic in two sections was also unnecessary and is considered trolling.
I've merged all posts into this topic and trashed the one in the WWGHA section.

Here's some links to some of the key FAQ's and Rules:

WWGHA Rules
(http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?action=rules), For Christians (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?action=rules;sa=additional),
Forum Etiquette Guide
(http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=3997.0[b), Notes For New Members (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=3998.0),
Introduction To This Forum For Christians
(http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=228.0)

I recommend taking a few minutes to read them and to familiarize yourself with the community you've just joined before posting yourself into hot water.

Good luck.


Eleven.

Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: anthony_retford on September 06, 2010, 06:39:45 AM
Wysderider must be a special person, in favor with his god. After all his god showers miracles down upon him and ignores the problems of this world. But anecdotes don't count here so Wysrderider get busy praying for some unambiguous event to occur so you can tell us how your god did something we can all see and test. Also, Wysderider, how do you know your god is what you think? Don't you know there have been thousands of gods during humanity's time on earth?

Do you read your bible too? Do you believe in talking snakes, world-wide floods and a 6,000 + year-old earth.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Nick on September 06, 2010, 07:23:53 AM
Welcome Richard.  Can I get God to pay my rent this month? ;)
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: CutePuppy on September 06, 2010, 08:11:37 AM
What I've always found a bit odd is why none of these people claiming that god is real, prayers work and miracles do happen pray for world peace? Or the end of suffering?

You'd think one of them at least would figure out that that's a good thing to pray for, right?

So why would god be nice and miraculous enough to use your broken mobile to call your friend (wow, god truly is amazing, isn't he?) or pay for your rent and not save children world wide from starving or getting (brutally) killed one way or the other?

Any more important tricks this almighty and loving god wants to perform before he fancies something as insignificant as world peace? Maybe he'll give you the ability to tie your shoes with your eyes closed?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Frank on September 06, 2010, 08:55:45 AM
Well I'm convinced. Where do I sign up?(http://www.smileyshut.com/smileys/new/buffo4.gif)

PS. Will god pay my mortgage or does it only work for rented accommodation?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: MockTurtle on September 06, 2010, 09:06:06 AM
I've heard many similar stories from people who were deluded, lying, or insane.  Do you have any actual evidence that supports you claims?

(Sounds Poe-ish to me, but you never can tell)
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Rokusho on September 06, 2010, 09:17:44 AM
Miracles are never convincing.  Which god orchestrated them, there are claims from all religions that miracles occur, so forgive my air of scepticism, but odds are it ain't some magical sky daddy doing little favours.  Where are the big favours then?  I'm sure world peace and ending starvation in Africa are a hell of a lot more important than one guys rent, or someone's mobile phone.  Are you telling the truth is always an issue, so often does the truth become so inflated to create the impression of miracles and can be so willing to accept that explanation without ever looking deeper or for more evidence to try and explain something strange.

Here's the kicker, it wasn't the Christian God helping, it was Allah, best get moving over to Islam!
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: HAL on September 06, 2010, 09:20:13 AM

Here is another crazy one that is just totally outrageous. One day I dropped my cell phone in my sink. It was filled with water. I pulled my phone out the sink and it was broken. I went to the gym the next day. I saw my friend who I have not seen in about 1 year (he came to my church last year and gave his life to Jesus). We were talking for about 5 minutes. ...

That's really amazing! God plays with cell phones while children starve! I guess he has to have a break from looking down on starving kids every once in a while.

(http://www.atheistthinktank.net/HAL/theology/vulture_sudan_child.jpg)
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: screwtape on September 06, 2010, 09:33:10 AM
Welcome wsyderider,

You said some pretty silly things, none of which in my opinion point to the existence of a god, let alone a xian one.  But you also said some things I think are potentially dangerous to you and to anyone you might meet.  Specifically this bit about hearing god:

I believe about hearing the voice of the Lord. When I was really young I was able to hear the audible voice of God.... The pastor looked at him and said, "Hey, the Lord told you to pray for the woman in the blue.”

There were two men, not two long ago, who also believed they could hear god talking to them.  Their names were Ron and Dan Lafferty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Banner_of_Heaven).  They thought god told them to murder several people, including their sister in law and her infant daughter.  Because they truly believed it was from god, they did it. When people hear voices, we call that "crazy".  But for some reason, when they say the voice is from god, it suddenly becomes acceptable.  Why is that?


Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: plethora on September 06, 2010, 09:36:12 AM
Looks like a rapid-fire drive by ... landed a few hits in a few threads and took off into the horizon.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 06, 2010, 10:17:21 AM
I typically believe that when people say this,

I am not lying to you.

they usually are lying.

I don't believe a single word of your story, wsyderider. But assuming what happened in your "testimony" really did happen it's just one more case of god being a complete jerk.  He paid your friend's rent and he give you a new cellphone, or something. Great. Nice material goods he's hooking you and your friend up with when he's doing jack for those who are in more dire situations than you and your friend were in. Believe it or not you don't need a cell phone to live, but he fixed yours somehow, while there are millions who are starving to death.

Any 100 bucks for an electric bill while living in an apartment. Damn. I own a house and I pay about 65 bucks a month. It is pretty much impossible for an electric bill to be less than about 40 dollars a month and you need to be completely retarded to leave all your appliances running to get it over 100 bucks a month. Again, don't believe a word of it.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Nick on September 06, 2010, 10:44:30 AM

Here is another crazy one that is just totally outrageous. One day I dropped my cell phone in my sink. It was filled with water. I pulled my phone out the sink and it was broken. I went to the gym the next day. I saw my friend who I have not seen in about 1 year (he came to my church last year and gave his life to Jesus). We were talking for about 5 minutes. ...

That's really amazing! God plays with cell phones while children starve! I guess he has to have a break from looking down on starving kids every once in a while.

(http://www.atheistthinktank.net/HAL/theology/vulture_sudan_child.jpg)
Thank you Hal.  A pic is worth a thousand words.  You said everything that needed to be said about this poster.  Silly Christians.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Xero-Kill on September 06, 2010, 10:56:58 AM
I agree with Emily. I don't buy a bit of it. I am usually reticent of calling someone a liar, but this kind of tripe is just beyond credulity. I honestly believe that this entire post is a big ol' fib.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Don_Quixote on September 06, 2010, 11:06:44 AM
Funny... I've also seen people get healed when I prayed to Zeus. Blasphemy! You ignore Zeus the true god  &)
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: JL on September 06, 2010, 11:58:37 AM
Welcome Richard.  Can I get God to pay my rent this month? ;)

Cheeky  ;D
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: 12 Monkeys on September 06, 2010, 12:11:58 PM
 Don't you just love how god will help junkies and alcoholics at there lowest point in life. The poor African children are starving to death at a rate of 4000 per hour because it is part of gods master plan,but he can help a couple of junkies  PATHETIC
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Noman Peopled on September 06, 2010, 03:39:40 PM
Don't you just love how god will help junkies and alcoholics at there lowest point in life.
To be fair, he only helps some - plenty of them die. I guess some junkies are more deserving than others.
Also, considering the positively catastrophic success rate of the AA's religious twelve-step program, he doesn't like helping alcoholics all that much.
Actually, alcoholics recuperating on their own or with help from their families have a higher succes rate. I guess they have a better god. Or maybe AA members just suck at praying.

Or is there another explanation?



I tried to OD off drugs one night because my life was falling apart. I took so much that night, I woke up and saw this figure all black about 10 feet high. I punched it and it became a little poodle running around my room. For two weeks, I thought someone was following me. Through all that, I changed my life and gave my life to Jesus.
That seems a healthy basis for a life-changing decision.

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I have seen many miracles happen in front of my face. For example, my friend was in the hospital and was not doing good. He had no money for rent. He called me up asking if we can pray because he had no rent money. We prayed and I believed it was paid for. He called the apartment up and it was paid for that month.
I got free health insurance for half a year. It's called an error. That's just one alternative explanation.
Also, anecdotes are entertaining and all, but without something to back them up they won't convince anyone. Not here, anyway.

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I told him that God was revealing himself to him and blah blah blah.
Something unexplained happened. Therefore -> god. Not only a god, but a specific god. No Gaian consciousness. No astral dolphins. Not a one in a billion chance (which btw will happen quite routinely with close to seven billion people available). No mischievous aliens or faeries or something as yet unimagined. No, it was god.
Also, unexplained =/= unexplainable =/= miraculous.



What measures have you undertaken to ascertain what you experienced was in fact effected by a supernatural agent as opposed to chance or other factors? What measures have you undertaken to ascertain this supernatural agent is a god talking to you? What measures have you taken to ascertain that your hearing voices is not an effect of mental illness or an effect of drug use?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 04:07:04 PM
O yeah in Africa, about 8 people were healed from leprosy when we prayed for them.

Not exactly eight but "about" eight  :o   Give or take one or a few.   Can you describe their condition before and after being "healed" please.

Any amputees sorted out while you were at it  :shrug  

I said about 8 beause it was like 7 years ago. i dont recall every last bit. I do remember two individuals having elephantitis (their leg looked loke elephant skin and leg was swollen). we went in the leprorsy ward in the hospital in Mozambique, Africa. What happened was that a couple of months down the line. One of the leaders (from our ministry) went back to the hospital and asked where the people we prayed for. The hospital mentioned that because they were all healed, they all left the hospital.

  
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Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
wsyderider, since 'god' paid the rent for someone for over 2 years and also helped you magically dial your friend's new number ... and he healed about 8 people in africa ...

... and since he is NOT healing the millions of innocent children starving in africa... or preventing kids from being raped by their pastors...

... would you agree that this god you worship is a major dick?
Well, how would you know Jesus is not healing millions in Africa? I mean I personally went to Mozambique, Africa and he healed those individuals. I experienced the healing and was not something that I read.

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Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 04:11:47 PM
Welcome Richard.  Can I get God to pay my rent this month? ;)
Let me know, I  can pray for it  =)
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: OnePerson on September 06, 2010, 04:12:15 PM
Yeah, you know, it's kind of the hospital's job to heal people.

Quote from: wsyderider
Well, how would you know Jesus is not healing millions in Africa? I mean I personally went to Mozambique, Africa and he healed those individuals. I experienced the healing and was not something that I read.

I know research is hard for you, but go research the current state of Africa.  If Jesus is healing anyone there, he's doing a crappy job of it.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Don_Quixote on September 06, 2010, 04:17:47 PM
Why is it so hard for him to heal all children at same time?  :shrug
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: HAL on September 06, 2010, 04:22:06 PM
Well, how would you know Jesus is not healing millions in Africa? I mean I personally went to Mozambique, Africa and he healed those individuals. I experienced the healing and was not something that I read.

How do I know he's not healing Africans?

You don't know the first thing about the Burden of Proof do you? It's your claim, so it's up to you to prove it. We have no obligation to disprove it. Do you think we are idiots who have never had someone come here claiming that Jesus heals? Where is your proof of healing?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 04:22:59 PM
Wysderider must be a special person, in favor with his god. After all his god showers miracles down upon him and ignores the problems of this world. But anecdotes don't count here so Wysrderider get busy praying for some unambiguous event to occur so you can tell us how your god did something we can all see and test. Also, Wysderider, how do you know your god is what you think? Don't you know there have been thousands of gods during humanity's time on earth?

Do you read your bible too? Do you believe in talking snakes, world-wide floods and a 6,000 + year-old earth.

From my beliefs. I believe Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light. This is my belief because the personal experience and by my studying. I mean if God wants to have talking snakes and talking donkeys. I would not doubt that because I experienced many spiritual things: healing, miraculous signs, had demonic attacks, etc.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Don_Quixote on September 06, 2010, 04:25:27 PM
Wysderider must be a special person, in favor with his god. After all his god showers miracles down upon him and ignores the problems of this world. But anecdotes don't count here so Wysrderider get busy praying for some unambiguous event to occur so you can tell us how your god did something we can all see and test. Also, Wysderider, how do you know your god is what you think? Don't you know there have been thousands of gods during humanity's time on earth?

Do you read your bible too? Do you believe in talking snakes, world-wide floods and a 6,000 + year-old earth.

From my beliefs. I believe Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light. This is my belief because the personal experience and by my studying. I mean if God wants to have talking snakes and talking donkeys. I would not doubt that because I experienced many spiritual things: healing, miraculous signs, had demonic attacks, etc.

And everything you shoot is baseless claim after baseless claim. I don't see why you wouldn't doubt about talking snakes and donkeys but what about the claims of other religions where they also spiritual things the same way. Why are theirs different from yours in anyway that would make us things it is your and only god? what are those healing, miraculous signs and demonic attacks you talk about?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 06, 2010, 07:08:23 PM
we went in the leprorsy ward in the hospital in Mozambique, Africa. What happened was that a couple of months down the line. One of the leaders (from our ministry) went back to the hospital and asked where the people we prayed for. The hospital mentioned that because they were all healed, they all left the hospital.

You do know that antibiotics cure leprosy?  :shrug  And very effectively too.

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Medicines Used to Cure Leprosy
In order to cure leprosy, doctors generally prescribe antibiotics that kill Mycobacterium leprae (the bacteria that cause leprosy). Because Mycobacterium leprae can be resistant to certain antibiotics, a combination of antibiotics is often used. The three most commonly used antibiotics are:
 
•Rifampin
•Dapsone
•Clofazimine.
 
Treatment of leprosy differs depending on the form of the disease. Treatment generally continues for one year for tuberculoid leprosy and two years for lepromatous leprosy. With treatment, less than 0.1 percent of people fail to be cured of leprosy.

http://diseases.emedtv.com/leprosy/cure-leprosy.html
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: MockTurtle on September 06, 2010, 07:48:22 PM
we went in the leprorsy ward in the hospital in Mozambique, Africa. What happened was that a couple of months down the line. One of the leaders (from our ministry) went back to the hospital and asked where the people we prayed for. The hospital mentioned that because they were all healed, they all left the hospital.

So your story is that someone you know was told by some person at the hospital that people, presumably in the hospital for medical treatment and not prayer, were cured of a disease easily healed with doxycycline and you assume that it was the prayer?

Even if they weren't healed, doesn't it seem more likely that the hospital staff lied to your cult leader so you would leave their patients alone?  The country is only about 50% xian after all...  unless you were only praying for xians there is a 50/50 chance they didn't want you bothering them.

 
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: truehyuga on September 06, 2010, 08:08:07 PM
People like this were the reason that for the majority of my childhood I thought the majority of Christians were, for lack of a better word, trolling. Then I realized people like this actually exist and believe what they are saying.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Odin on September 06, 2010, 08:24:40 PM
Welcome Richard.  Can I get God to pay my rent this month? ;)
Let me know, I  can pray for it  =)

Dude, like, don't be so small.  I can pay my rent.  What I need is, like, $100 large this week delivered to my door.  $20 bills will be ok.

Thor's mom needs a new pair of shoes.

Odin, King of the Gods
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Alzael on September 06, 2010, 08:29:04 PM
People like this were the reason that for the majority of my childhood I thought the majority of Christians were, for lack of a better word, trolling. Then I realized people like this actually exist and believe what they are saying.

That's how it was for me,too. I was about seventeen before I met my first fundamentalist. Before that I had never seriously considered the possibility that there were people in the modern world who actually believed this stuff.

Wsyderider is reminding me of Supra and the proof of healing he tried to provide that I tore apart. I wonder if Wsyderider will provide any factual evidence for anything he/she says.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Gimpy on September 06, 2010, 08:29:53 PM
I am here just to share my testimony of Jesus.

If I'm not mistaken, that is against the terms of service of use of this forum.

This forum and its posters are not here for you to witness to or testify to.

Please refrain from trying to witness to or evangelize us.

It's patently offensive.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 06, 2010, 08:48:48 PM
Don't you just love how god will help junkies and alcoholics at there lowest point in life.

Yup. Rather sad, isn't it. I am sure everyone here has had low points in their lives and some of us might not have turned to jesus to "save" us; we analyzed the situation and found our own way out and took full credit for it.

wsyderider, I know how you must've felt with the drugs and alcohol. A few years ago I spent some time in rehab and another 5 months in counseling for drugs and alcohol. I hate to break it to you but you escaped all that on your own grounds, with no divine intervention, so stop giving god the credit because you are the only reason you are clean. Deep down inside you decided to get sober yourself.

If your god is so wonderful he should definitely give those kids something special instead of you. Even in your darkest moment, your most lowest point in life your suffering comes no where even close to what the starving children are dealing with. Starvation is probably the hardest thing to cope with because it's a long and painful death, much worse than withdrawal effects from drugs, not hangovers, not even having a broken cell phone. Even if your god exists and what you say is true I most definitely would not worship him for simply forgetting/ignoring those who need a lot more than we do.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 06, 2010, 09:03:24 PM
When I would evangelize, people would tell me that they had to see something big for them to believe in God.

Look the crowd here on WWGHA is not easily convinced (nor should it be), our BS detectors are finely tuned. And we've seen loads of BS before.

But I think it would be quite productive for everyone if wsyderider and UniversityPastor would have a discussion here to clarify their opposing views about the methods of the very same God:

Well for example. My answer to the title question "Why won't God heal Amputees?" Is "because he doesn't heal much of anybody miraculously, the stories we all hear are wrong"

How about it chaps - you can't both be right  :shrug  But you could both be wrong if this is unresolved - so please nut it out to convince us which of you is worth listening to.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 09:23:22 PM
Welcome wsyderider,

You said some pretty silly things, none of which in my opinion point to the existence of a god, let alone a xian one.  But you also said some things I think are potentially dangerous to you and to anyone you might meet.  Specifically this bit about hearing god:

I believe about hearing the voice of the Lord. When I was really young I was able to hear the audible voice of God.... The pastor looked at him and said, "Hey, the Lord told you to pray for the woman in the blue.”

There were two men, not two long ago, who also believed they could hear god talking to them.  Their names were Ron and Dan Lafferty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Banner_of_Heaven).  They thought god told them to murder several people, including their sister in law and her infant daughter.  Because they truly believed it was from god, they did it. When people hear voices, we call that "crazy".  But for some reason, when they say the voice is from god, it suddenly becomes acceptable.  Why is that?

That is why 1 John 4 in the bible says to test the spirits. I would ask God for confirmation to make sure it is from him. There been times I heard things that was not from God. Remember when God speaks, it does not contradict him Word. For example. My mom is Catholic and awhile back, she started to hear from God. She said God, who are you? She heard a voice say I Am who I Am (this is in Exodus 3:14). Many years passed and me and my mom started talking about Jesus. She said a while back, she asked the Lord, " who are you?" She said the Lord said, " I am who I am." I told my mom, " that it was the name the Lord revealed himself to Moses in the bible in Exodus 3. She said, "Foreal? I did not know that." When God speaks it confirms in the bible and does no contradict. The voices she heard was from her psychological issue or from the devil. For example (i have lots of stories =), my friend was at Startbucks and he saw this woman all talking to herself. She looked like she was on drugs for many years in her life. His wife said to go talk to her. He went over there and started to talk to her. He started to talk to her. She then said, " So your dad is a gypsy (nationality). And my friend said yes he it. And then she said , " too bad he is dead now." She new all these things about his dad. At the end my friend said, " I have to go now." She then said, " What you are doing for the Lord keep doning it." He was then confused if this was from God or the devil. 1 Corinthinan 14:33 says For God is not the God of confusion, but of peace. This was the works of the devil and not the Lord.

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Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 09:26:48 PM
When I would evangelize, people would tell me that they had to see something big for them to believe in God.

Look the crowd here on WWGHA is not easily convinced (nor should it be), our BS detectors are finely tuned. And we've seen loads of BS before.

But I think it would be quite productive for everyone if wsyderider and UniversityPastor would have a discussion here to clarify their opposing views about the methods of the very same God:

Well for example. My answer to the title question "Why won't God heal Amputees?" Is "because he doesn't heal much of anybody miraculously, the stories we all hear are wrong"

How about it chaps - you can't both be right  :shrug  But you could both be wrong if this is unresolved - so please nut it out to convince us which of you is worth listening to.

I mean, why would I lie for Jesus. I am just contradicting him if i do. You can believe or not. It is your choice.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 06, 2010, 09:32:34 PM
I mean, why would I lie for Jesus. I am just contradicting him if i do. You can believe or not. It is your choice.

A lot of what you are saying sounds like you are lying. The electrical company wouldn't give their service away for free like you said in your OP. I suggest you study up on kilowatt hours because a 100 dollar electric bill sounds rather steep and rather unbelievable for an apartment. Your cell phone story sounds like make up garbage. What other conclusion can I come up with other than you're lying?!?  :shrug
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 09:33:12 PM
Miracles are never convincing.  Which god orchestrated them, there are claims from all religions that miracles occur, so forgive my air of scepticism, but odds are it ain't some magical sky daddy doing little favours.  Where are the big favours then?  I'm sure world peace and ending starvation in Africa are a hell of a lot more important than one guys rent, or someone's mobile phone.  Are you telling the truth is always an issue, so often does the truth become so inflated to create the impression of miracles and can be so willing to accept that explanation without ever looking deeper or for more evidence to try and explain something strange.

Here's the kicker, it wasn't the Christian God helping, it was Allah, best get moving over to Islam!

Jesus is big and if he wants to end starvation and world peace, he can. Each person to him he loves. So a person i minister to is equaly loved to a starving child in Africa.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 09:36:18 PM
we went in the leprorsy ward in the hospital in Mozambique, Africa. What happened was that a couple of months down the line. One of the leaders (from our ministry) went back to the hospital and asked where the people we prayed for. The hospital mentioned that because they were all healed, they all left the hospital.

You do know that antibiotics cure leprosy?  :shrug  And very effectively too.

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Medicines Used to Cure Leprosy
In order to cure leprosy, doctors generally prescribe antibiotics that kill Mycobacterium leprae (the bacteria that cause leprosy). Because Mycobacterium leprae can be resistant to certain antibiotics, a combination of antibiotics is often used. The three most commonly used antibiotics are:
 
•Rifampin
•Dapsone
•Clofazimine.
 
Treatment of leprosy differs depending on the form of the disease. Treatment generally continues for one year for tuberculoid leprosy and two years for lepromatous leprosy. With treatment, less than 0.1 percent of people fail to be cured of leprosy.

http://diseases.emedtv.com/leprosy/cure-leprosy.html
This is Mozambique Africa and not in America. If they were in America, it may have been a different story where they would be taking medications.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 09:40:40 PM
Looks like a rapid-fire drive by ... landed a few hits in a few threads and took off into the horizon.

It is labor day and I have friends and family I was spending the day with. i cant be online 24/7
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Gimpy on September 06, 2010, 09:41:09 PM
This is Mozambique Africa and not in America. If they were in America, it may have been a different story where they would be taking medications.

No. Not really. Are you unaware of the various organizations that provide "modern-day" medicine to such countries? Organizations like Doctors Without Borders?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 09:45:31 PM
I typically believe that when people say this,

I am not lying to you.

they usually are lying.

I don't believe a single word of your story, wsyderider. But assuming what happened in your "testimony" really did happen it's just one more case of god being a complete jerk.  He paid your friend's rent and he give you a new cellphone, or something. Great. Nice material goods he's hooking you and your friend up with when he's doing jack for those who are in more dire situations than you and your friend were in. Believe it or not you don't need a cell phone to live, but he fixed yours somehow, while there are millions who are starving to death.

Any 100 bucks for an electric bill while living in an apartment. Damn. I own a house and I pay about 65 bucks a month. It is pretty much impossible for an electric bill to be less than about 40 dollars a month and you need to be completely retarded to leave all your appliances running to get it over 100 bucks a month. Again, don't believe a word of it.
If you live in  AlamedA County in California, you will understand everything is expensive here. I paid for a one bedroom apartment for 1265. Also, my friend was using the heater. Try using your house heater and understand it can be expensive. My parents b4 paid about $500 for their electric bill because it was a cold winter.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 09:46:28 PM
This is Mozambique Africa and not in America. If they were in America, it may have been a different story where they would be taking medications.

No. Not really. Are you unaware of the various organizations that provide "modern-day" medicine to such countries? Organizations like Doctors Without Borders?
They dont go to every hospital, every clinic or even every home in the world.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 06, 2010, 09:47:16 PM
They dont go to every hospital, every clinic or even every home in the world.

You obviously have no idea what they do.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 09:48:05 PM

Here is another crazy one that is just totally outrageous. One day I dropped my cell phone in my sink. It was filled with water. I pulled my phone out the sink and it was broken. I went to the gym the next day. I saw my friend who I have not seen in about 1 year (he came to my church last year and gave his life to Jesus). We were talking for about 5 minutes. ...

That's really amazing! God plays with cell phones while children starve! I guess he has to have a break from looking down on starving kids every once in a while.



(http://www.atheistthinktank.net/HAL/theology/vulture_sudan_child.jpg)
Thank you Hal.  A pic is worth a thousand words.  You said everything that needed to be said about this poster.  Silly Christians.

I do missionary work to help in this area. I went to Africa, Mexico, and Philippines.

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Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Gimpy on September 06, 2010, 09:48:41 PM
Okay, wsyderider, I found it.

I will ask you one last time to refrain from witnessing, testifying, evangelizing or any other variation of that word here.

You need to check out some very basic forum rules, etiquette and FAQ before you continue, or I'm afraid I will, in fact, make a specific notification to a moderator.

Stated in the rules,

What this forum is NOT:

"It is not a venue for preaching or evangelism. People who come here to preach or evangelise will quickly find that they have outstayed their welcome."

In particular, please read this link, because your continued preaching is getting offensive.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=3998.0 (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=3998.0)
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 09:50:03 PM
I agree with Emily. I don't buy a bit of it. I am usually reticent of calling someone a liar, but this kind of tripe is just beyond credulity. I honestly believe that this entire post is a big ol' fib.
You can believe what you want.  All I am doing is sharing my faith. I am not asking you to believe. i am just sharing my experience
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 06, 2010, 09:50:32 PM
This is Mozambique Africa and not in America. If they were in America, it may have been a different story where they would be taking medications.

Listen my friend, you are making even more things up now.  I happen to know quite a lot about Africa, including Mozambique.  

This may come as a shock to you but I personally saved many amputees in Africa - without medicine.  I did it by lifting landmines and preventing people from becoming amputees in the first place.  And with regard to medicines in Africa - sure they don't have as much as they would like but it's a lie to suggest they have none, and that they don't use them for leprosy patients in hospitals.  Much of my mine-lifting career was done clearing the way for convoys taking doctors, medicines and aid to people in war zones.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Gimpy on September 06, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
I agree with Emily. I don't buy a bit of it. I am usually reticent of calling someone a liar, but this kind of tripe is just beyond credulity. I honestly believe that this entire post is a big ol' fib.
You can believe what you want.  All I am doing is sharing my faith. I am not asking you to believe. i am just sharing my experience


1) Why are you sharing your "faith"?

2) Why are you sharing your "faith" on this particular forum?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Astreja on September 06, 2010, 09:58:42 PM
You can believe what you want.  All I am doing is sharing my faith. I am not asking you to believe. i am just sharing my experience

Sharing subjective religious experiences is not what this forum is about.  Do you actually believe that we have never heard the message you're preaching?  

Unless you have some empirical data to support your claims -- Objective physical evidence that your god exists and is the *only* possible agent that could explain your experiences -- Kindly refrain.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 10:00:32 PM
I agree with Emily. I don't buy a bit of it. I am usually reticent of calling someone a liar, but this kind of tripe is just beyond credulity. I honestly believe that this entire post is a big ol' fib.
You can believe what you want.  All I am doing is sharing my faith. I am not asking you to believe. i am just sharing my experience


1) Why are you sharing your "faith"?

2) Why are you sharing your "faith" on this particular forum?

On the website said if I am christian, I can leave my testimony. So......yeah

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Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 06, 2010, 10:00:58 PM
If you live in  AlamedA County in California, you will understand everything is expensive here. I paid for a one bedroom apartment for 1265. Also, my friend was using the heater. Try using your house heater and understand it can be expensive. My parents b4 paid about $500 for their electric bill because it was a cold winter.

Cut the crap. I still don't believe a word of it. I have a washer, dryer, fridge, central air, a bunch of computers and other things using electricity and my last bill was 68 dollars. How cold can it get in Alameda Country? In the winter months alone it seems to be in the 50/60's range[1], when where I live it's usually in the teens/twenties[2] in the winter months. I used to live in LA so I know all about the winters in both southern and northern California.

And a kilowatt hour in California is still LESS than that in NY (where I live)
http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/cost.html
 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland,_California#Climate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland,_California#Climate)
 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York#Climate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York#Climate)
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Gimpy on September 06, 2010, 10:11:23 PM

1) Why are you sharing your "faith"?

2) Why are you sharing your "faith" on this particular forum?

On the website said if I am christian, I can leave my testimony. So......yeah


Please answer my questions.

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Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 10:15:50 PM
If you live in  AlamedA County in California, you will understand everything is expensive here. I paid for a one bedroom apartment for 1265. Also, my friend was using the heater. Try using your house heater and understand it can be expensive. My parents b4 paid about $500 for their electric bill because it was a cold winter.

Cut the crap. I still don't believe a word of it. I have a washer, dryer, fridge, central air, a bunch of computers and other things using electricity and my last bill was 68 dollars. How cold can it get in Alameda Country? In the winter months alone it seems to be in the 50/60's range[1], when where I live it's usually in the teens/twenties[2] in the winter months. I used to live in LA so I know all about the winters in both southern and northern California.

And a kilowatt hour in California is still LESS than that in NY (where I live)
http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/cost.html
 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland,_California#Climate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland,_California#Climate)
 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York#Climate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York#Climate)
Why are you getting so offensive. Also, LA is cooler than oakland, Ca. You can do research on that if you dont believe me. Emily, I am not asking you to believe what i say. I am just sharing what I have seen in my life serving Jesus. Also, on the website it stated that if you are christian/unwavering christian, we would love to hear your testimony. If you dont believe me, please look at the main website. If you think I am lying, and then that is what you believe. There is no point of me lying for Jesus. That is just contradictory.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: OnePerson on September 06, 2010, 10:16:30 PM
Miracles are never convincing.  Which god orchestrated them, there are claims from all religions that miracles occur, so forgive my air of scepticism, but odds are it ain't some magical sky daddy doing little favours.  Where are the big favours then?  I'm sure world peace and ending starvation in Africa are a hell of a lot more important than one guys rent, or someone's mobile phone.  Are you telling the truth is always an issue, so often does the truth become so inflated to create the impression of miracles and can be so willing to accept that explanation without ever looking deeper or for more evidence to try and explain something strange.

Here's the kicker, it wasn't the Christian God helping, it was Allah, best get moving over to Islam!

Jesus is big and if he wants to end starvation and world peace, he can. Each person to him he loves. So a person i minister to is equaly loved to a starving child in Africa.

Guess he must not want to end starvation and achieve world peace, because much of the world has been starving and fighting for a long time.

I would think starving children would be thinking of food first before love.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 06, 2010, 10:17:03 PM
Faith cures for leprosy are fake!  And it is an insult to medical science and people who generously provide the medicines for FREE, as well as the medical personnel who work tirelessly to cure and reduce the disease everywhere, including Mozambique.

From the World Health Organisation:

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Since 1995, WHO provides free  MDT for all patients in the world, initially through the drug fund provided by the Nippon Foundation and since 2000, through the MDT donation provided by Novartis and the Novartis Foundation for Sustainable Development.

...  snip ....

Over the past 20 years, more than 14 million leprosy patients have been cured, about 4 million since 2000.

STOP your lies for Jesus.  If your God exists he deserves people who tell the truth about Him.

EDIT:  Here is the link to the WHO: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs101/en/
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: OnePerson on September 06, 2010, 10:18:53 PM
If you live in  AlamedA County in California, you will understand everything is expensive here. I paid for a one bedroom apartment for 1265. Also, my friend was using the heater. Try using your house heater and understand it can be expensive. My parents b4 paid about $500 for their electric bill because it was a cold winter.

Cut the crap. I still don't believe a word of it. I have a washer, dryer, fridge, central air, a bunch of computers and other things using electricity and my last bill was 68 dollars. How cold can it get in Alameda Country? In the winter months alone it seems to be in the 50/60's range[1], when where I live it's usually in the teens/twenties[2] in the winter months. I used to live in LA so I know all about the winters in both southern and northern California.

And a kilowatt hour in California is still LESS than that in NY (where I live)
http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/cost.html
 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland,_California#Climate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland,_California#Climate)
 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York#Climate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York#Climate)
Why are you getting so offensive. Also, LA is cooler than oakland, Ca. You can do research on that if you dont believe me. Emily, I am not asking you to believe what i say. I am just sharing what I have seen in my life serving Jesus. Also, on the website it stated that if you are christian/unwavering christian, we would love to hear your testimony. If you dont believe me, please look at the main website. If you think I am lying, and then that is what you believe. There is no point of me lying for Jesus. That is just contradictory.

Then you're lying out of ignorance.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 10:20:54 PM
Faith cures for leprosy are fake!  And it is an insult to medical science and people who generously provide the medicines for FREE, as well as the medical personnel who work tirelessly to cure and reduce the disease everywhere, including Mozambique.

From the World Health Organisation:

Quote
Since 1995, WHO provides free  MDT for all patients in the world, initially through the drug fund provided by the Nippon Foundation and since 2000, through the MDT donation provided by Novartis and the Novartis Foundation for Sustainable Development.

...  snip ....

Over the past 20 years, more than 14 million leprosy patients have been cured, about 4 million since 2000.

STOP your lies for Jesus.  If your God exists he deserves people who tell the truth about Him.
That sounds very contradictory. Lying for Jesus. Sure why dont I lie for Jesus so people will believe. If I did not care about the LOrds work, then I would be doing something else.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 06, 2010, 10:21:30 PM
Why are you getting so offensive. Also, LA is cooler than oakland, Ca. You can do research on that if you dont believe me. Emily, I am not asking you to believe what i say. I am just sharing what I have seen in my life serving Jesus. Also, on the website it stated that if you are christian/unwavering christian, we would love to hear your testimony. If you dont believe me, please look at the main website. If you think I am lying, and then that is what you believe. There is no point of me lying for Jesus. That is just contradictory.

I believe what the website says. I've read the website many times. I am getting offensive because you are blatantly lying right to our::virtual:: faces.
 
Even still all of California is warmer than all of NY and I still pay MORE for electricity in NY than I did when I lived in California and I've NEVER seen a bill higher than 100 bucks in my entire life.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Operator_019 on September 06, 2010, 10:21:55 PM
wsyderider,

I've gone through this thread and fixed your quotes.  Please make sure the quote tags are arranged properly before hitting the post button.  It is best to hit the preview button first to view how your post will look in the thread.  It is difficult to follow the discussion when the participants have to search through the quote box to find your reply.

I would also like to ask that you take a few minutes to review our Notes for New Members (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=3998.0), Introduction for Christians (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=228.0), and WWGHA Forum Rules (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=5628.0).

As Gimpy has pointed out, preaching is frowned upon here.  We encourage you to discuss your beliefs, but please draw the line at trying to share the message of Jesus.

Thanks.

019
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 06, 2010, 10:25:59 PM
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STOP your lies for Jesus.  If your God exists he deserves people who tell the truth about Him.
That sounds very contradictory. Lying for Jesus. Sure why dont I lie for Jesus so people will believe. If I did not care about the LOrds work, then I would be doing something else.

Thanks for reading my post. 

Your testimony is easily exposed as lies - or at best self-delusion. Think about it - you're doing your case for Jesus more harm than good.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 10:30:47 PM
This is Mozambique Africa and not in America. If they were in America, it may have been a different story where they would be taking medications.

Listen my friend, you are making even more things up now.  I happen to know quite a lot about Africa, including Mozambique.  

This may come as a shock to you but I personally saved many amputees in Africa - without medicine.  I did it by lifting landmines and preventing people from becoming amputees in the first place.  And with regard to medicines in Africa - sure they don't have as much as they would like but it's a lie to suggest they have none, and that they don't use them for leprosy patients in hospitals.  Much of my mine-lifting career was done clearing the way for convoys taking doctors, medicines and aid to people in war zones.
i never said there were no medications.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 10:35:20 PM
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STOP your lies for Jesus. If your God exists he deserves people who tell the truth about Him.
That sounds very contradictory. Lying for Jesus. Sure why dint I lie for Jesus so people will believe. If I did not care about the Lords work, then I would be doing something else.

Thanks for reading my post. 

Your testimony is easily exposed as lies - or at best . Think about it - you're doing your case for Jesus more harm than good.
I dont believe so. The reason why the early church spreaded was through persecution. I try to be optimistic
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 06, 2010, 10:36:20 PM
i never said there were no medications.

Crikey, I'm sorry, I'm going insane.  But please explain what you really meant by this? :

This is Mozambique Africa and not in America. If they were in America, it may have been a different story where they would be taking medications.
(my bold)

Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 10:43:42 PM
This is Mozambique Africa and not in America. If they were in America, it may have been a different story where they would be taking medications.

 :) I should of read my post better. Good job in getting me there. Dont get me wrong. I seen medications in Africa, but they were like tylenol, Aleve, Ibeprophen, etc. Not the crazy prescribed ones. Thank you for sharing that point though. I will be more slow to speak.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 06, 2010, 10:47:22 PM
For some reason I feel like getting stabbed in the face with a soldering iron....
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Gimpy on September 06, 2010, 10:48:18 PM
Dont get me wrong. I seen medications in Africa, but they were like tylenol, Aleve, Ibeprophen, etc. Not the crazy prescribed ones. Thank you for sharing that point though. I will be more slow to speak.


AND, you did it again.

You've already been shown in several posts that Africans have access to "crazy" prescribed medicines.

Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 06, 2010, 10:54:57 PM

i dont understand what you mean. I said, " I seen tylenol, Aleve..." They may had antibiotics...If they did, they did.


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Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Operator_019 on September 06, 2010, 10:58:25 PM
wsyderider,

Please modify reply numbers 70 and 73 to fix your quoting.

Thanks.

019
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: anthony_retford on September 06, 2010, 11:59:34 PM
Wsyderider, do you have any proof of any of your claims that would satisfy a person who thinks critically and does not have blind faith in anything?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Noman Peopled on September 07, 2010, 06:37:50 AM
Wsyderider, rephrasing "preach" to "show" or "share" doesn't mean you're not doing exactly what the forum rules mean. This is not a blog log. An OP without any clear basis for discussion will be left to rot, closed, or restructured. Or, as in this case, result in the demand that we get something that can be talked about. Right now we don't even have reliable premises to go on, and a conclusion that would be highly questionable if the premises were true.
I can confirm the mods here are way more lenient in this regard than they are on computer game forums, btw.



The thing about showing is that it's nothing but, well, showing. You have shown us your interpretation of your experiences. Now what? We have been shown stuff like that a countless number of times, as you have been made aware of. It's formally indistinguishable from a huge number of purportedly supernatural encounters of all religious colors. The reply is always the same: "evidence?"

And then we get told we won't get any since all you wanted to do was "show" and that we're supposed to believe it or not as we please. Alright, you have shown. We have done as we pleased. So ... case closed, can we let this thread die now?
Or can we have something to talk about?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 07, 2010, 07:04:46 AM
I do remember two individuals having elephantitis (their leg looked loke elephant skin and leg was swollen).

Another one of those diseases that a hospital (even in Mozambique) can treat to the point where the patient is well enough to go home - and all with science and medicine, not pretend magic:

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How is Elephantiasis Treated?

"Is elephantiasis curable?" is the most common query regarding the treatment of this disease. Elephantiasis treatment basically, relies on the medications, that can kill the parasite and its larvae. The most commonly used drugs are, albendazole and diethylcarbamazine. These medications have proved to be effective for killing the microfilariae, and also the adult worms. However, in the sub-Saharan Africa, albendazole is used along with ivermectin. Ivermectin is another medication that can kill the microfilariae, though its effect on the adult worms is not very clear. The most common side effects associated with this medication are, fever, myalgia and headache.

For killing the adult worms, diethylcarbamazine is regarded as a better option than ivermectin. Diethylcarbamazine has been found to considerably reduce the size of the enlarged lymph nodes. However, one can experience allergic reactions while taking this drug, for which steroid and antihistamine medications can be required. This side effect is generally, attributed to the destruction of the parasite, as the dying parasitic worms have been found to release certain chemicals, which can produce the allergic reaction. Along with medications, regular cleaning of the affected area can also help to a great extent in controlling the symptoms of elephantiasis. This is probably due to the fact that many times, secondary skin infections can play a very important role in aggravating the symptoms of elephantiasis. So, daily cleaning can help to prevent such secondary infections. Antibiotics such as doxycycline has also shown some promising results for treating elephantiasis.

The treatment for nonfilarial elephantiasis include, wearing shoes that can help to prevent further exposure to the irritants, and wearing elastic bandage. Elastic stocking can too help to manage the swelling and inflammation caused by elephantiasis. Physicians often suggest cleaning the affected area with soap and water, as well as soaking the area in a mixture of water and antiseptic, for the management of nonfilarial elephantiasis. Lastly, surgery can also be performed to reduce elephantiasis, especially elephantiasis of the scrotum. But, for elephantiasis of the trunk or limb, surgery is not very effective.

The success of elephantiasis treatment depends on its early diagnosis and prompt treatment. Though tissue damage is permanent, the swelling can be managed or reduced with appropriate treatment. The non parasitic form of the diseases can be prevented with the help of certain measures like, wearing shoes, that can reduce the exposure to the irritants found in some soil. The symptoms of elephantiasis can sometimes resemble the symptoms of some related lymphatic system diseases like, hereditary lymphedema, filariasis and secondary lymphedema. Therefore, appropriate elephantiasis treatment also depends on accurate diagnosis of the condition. 

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/elephantiasis-treatment.html

I really think the money it cost your church to send you to Mozambique and which supports the Ministers who fed you the misinformation about the fake prayer-induced cures after you left could have been far better spent on some real science and/or medicine for people who need care not bibles.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: HAL on September 07, 2010, 07:29:53 AM

I do missionary work to help in this area. I went to Africa, Mexico, and Philippines.


I don't give a crap what you are doing, that's you're business. You completely - totally - missed the point. I want to know why god plays with cell phones, apartment rent, and electric bills while poor innocent children starve in Africa.


For example, my friend was in the hospital and was not doing good. He had no money for rent. He called me up asking if we can pray because he had no rent money. We prayed and I believed it was paid for.

...

Also, there were times he owed like 100 dollars for the electric bill. He prayed and it would either be free or down to about 15 bucks.

...

Here is another crazy one that is just totally outrageous. One day I dropped my cell phone in my sink. ... I checked my voicemail and the number on my voicemail and phone were two different numbers. That was truly a miraculous sign.

(http://www.atheistthinktank.net/HAL/theology/vulture_sudan_child.jpg)

Stop dodging the point. If you keep doing this I'll report you to the moderators, because you do the same thing as most other theists - dodge the hard questions you cannot or will not face up to.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Anfauglir on September 07, 2010, 08:16:18 AM
Originally posted in the "Truth About Prayer" thread.

I believe that God truly here our prayers and may and may not answer it. For example, My friend was at the hospital and needed rent money. We prayed and by faith I believe Jesus would pay for it. He called the apartment, and the rent was paid for. Again he called me next month because he had no money. We prayed and he called the apartment up. They mentioned that it was paid for three months. Again he called me after three months and we prayed again. They said call him back next year because he had credit until the end of the year. He did not have to pay rent for a total of 2 years and 3 months. I am a born again christian.

Three points.

1) God clearly has a "soft spot" for your friend.  Why are his prayers for the starving in Africa not answered in the same way?  Heck, for the homeless in your own country?  What is special about you that you have so many prayers granted for things you could fix yourselves?

2) God knows everything.  Why does anyone need to pray at all?  Surely god already knows what we need?  Why did the bills not get paid without your having to ask?

3) As Bereft asked, where DID the money come from?  Did the rental company's bank balance suddenly change, as the direct work of god interfering with the bank system?  Did you consider that someone else may have been paying?

On that last point.....a few years back, checking my bank statements I discovered that I had been paying for two electric accounts - my own and someone elses.  Had I not checked, I may have paid someone else's bill for years without knowing - I may never have found out, but been several hundred pounds down.

Given that that could be the case here.....how do you (as a Christian) feel about the fact that you may have been receiving money from someone who was unaware they were doing it, and for whom the extra expense may have caused problems?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 07, 2010, 08:37:50 AM
Did you consider that someone else may have been paying?

Most likely explanations:
1) Parents/siblings/work colleagues/friends know their child/friend is in hospital and one of them takes care of the rent.
2) Church member (most are really good people) hears that people are praying for rent money, checks wallet ... finds the cash ... pays the bill.  And says nothing about it because that's what really kind people do and quietly enjoys all the excitement about the "miracle".
3) It's all BS.   

Least likely explanation:
1) Goddidit.
2) Bank error.

Wsyderider, you've made an extraordinary claim. The onus is on you to provide the proof.  The very least you and your friend can do is track the transactions back to their source - after all you may even find God's bank account.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: kin hell on September 07, 2010, 08:43:02 AM
The very least you and your friend can do is track the transactions back to their source - after all you may even find God's bank account.

..............oh for a small percentage of that finders fee.


You have to rate god as a saver   ............it certainly generates interest.
Or maybe the bank balance (generic) is god    .........money is the root of all evil after all.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: plethora on September 07, 2010, 09:41:03 AM
Jesus is big and if he wants to end starvation and world peace, he can.

So what you're saying is that although jesus can end starvation and make world peace... he choses not to. He has the power to do so and yet he won't end starvation and make world peace.

To me... that just makes him a vile, disgusting prick who in fact doesn't care about us enough.

Allow me to illustrate so you can see why I think this of such a character like this jesus you claim exists:

You walk out to the back of a house. You see a child in a pool and a fat man in a chair.

The fat man is stuck in the chair due to his fat ass and needs help standing up. The child in the pool is drowing and is begging for help while gasping deperately for air.

You have the power to help them both. You can dive into the pool and save the drowning child and then, once the child is safe, you can help the man out of the chair.

Instead, you help the fat-ass get out of the chair and completely ignore the child, letting him drown.

You could have helped the child... but you chose not to for reasons only you would know.

You claim that you love them both equally. You love both the child and the fat man. You expect others to praise you for helping the fat guy even thought you did not help the drowning child. You don't expect anyone to question your reasons.

Excuse me... but not only would I think you were a vile disgusting prick... but I would think anyone who praised you was an idiot.

You sir, are an idiot.

I am so glad there isn't a jesus or a god. I deal with reality buddy. Get with it.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 07, 2010, 09:35:50 PM
Wsyderider, do you have any proof of any of your claims that would satisfy a person who thinks critically and does not have blind faith in anything?

First and foremost, I appreciate you for not atacking me like others on this forum. To answer your question. No I dont. Even if I did, I believe people on this forum would just brush it off. For example. My pastor prayed for this one person at the hospital. This person attended t \our church. HE had a hairline femur fracture. My pastor went to pray for him at the hospital. When Sunday came, he was all walking at church. My pastor came to him and said, " I thought you were not able to walk." He said, " when you prayed for me I felt better and was able to walk later on." They x-rayed him again and the fracture was completely.

 It is going to be my duty not to keep any type of evidence to show any type of supernatural event: x-rays, blood tests, etc. So when I have them, I can share them.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 07, 2010, 09:40:08 PM
hairline fractures aren't that serious. I believe some people are able to "walk them off" with only mild  to medium discomfort without even being in a cast of any kind.

Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: OnePerson on September 07, 2010, 09:41:53 PM
I'll catch a cold, pray, and then claim it was miracle healing.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: jynnan tonnix on September 07, 2010, 09:52:52 PM
hairline fractures aren't that serious. I believe some people are able to "walk them off" with only mild  to medium discomfort without even being in a cast of any kind.


My son, a few months ago, had an injury while playing soccer. The coach said, based on what the sideline physical therapist told him, that they "hoped it was just a fracture". He was told, after xrays, that he had torn ligaments in his ankle, and would be on crutches for at least a month.

The next day, he decided he was sick of the crutches already, so he tried walking around without them, and found it felt fine. Went back to the doctor's the next day, and they could find nothing wrong with him. It baffled everyone.

This, mind you, with no prayer, laying on of hands or, in fact, belief in any sort of deity.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: GetMeThere on September 07, 2010, 10:12:39 PM
Wsyderider, do you have any proof of any of your claims that would satisfy a person who thinks critically and does not have blind faith in anything?
...To answer your question. No I dont....

Don't you see though that the absence of proof that can endure critical examination is the problem? If these things happen so often, but only in cases where there is no proof worthy of critical examination...well, why is that? For instance, in the case you "witnessed" in Africa, why didn't you go by and see those people for yourself? Wouldn't it be EXCITING to see someone completely cured whose skin, just the day before, was rotting off their body?

When I hear a story such as yours, and hear you have no proof, and THEN hear that you COULD have easily procured proof (or at least more acceptable evidence), I have to ask myself why you're apparently NOT INTERESTED in providing testimony that could REALLY convince others.

If you came here and testified that YOU PERSONALLY SAW a group of people whose skin was severely damaged/ROTTING, and the NEXT DAY you personally saw that all those people were completely healed and perfectly fine, well....then at least nobody here would argue with you (we might like to hear PRECISE descriptions of the illnesses, etc.). That you COULD HAVE provided that, but chose NOT TO very clearly implies to a critical audience that you're perhaps deluding yourself about these healings; that you don't want to REALLY PROVE FOR YOURSELF that they really occurred.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 07, 2010, 11:11:38 PM
Wsyderider, do you have any proof of any of your claims that would satisfy a person who thinks critically and does not have blind faith in anything?
...To answer your question. No I dont....

Don't you see though that the absence of proof that can endure critical examination is the problem? If these things happen so often, but only in cases where there is no proof worthy of critical examination...well, why is that? For instance, in the case you "witnessed" in Africa, why didn't you go by and see those people for yourself? Wouldn't it be EXCITING to see someone completely cured whose skin, just the day before, was rotting off their body?

When I hear a story such as yours, and hear you have no proof, and THEN hear that you COULD have easily procured proof (or at least more acceptable evidence), I have to ask myself why you're apparently NOT INTERESTED in providing testimony that could REALLY convince others.

If you came here and testified that YOU PERSONALLY SAW a group of people whose skin was severely damaged/ROTTING, and the NEXT DAY you personally saw that all those people were completely healed and perfectly fine, well....then at least nobody here would argue with you (we might like to hear PRECISE descriptions of the illnesses, etc.). That you COULD HAVE provided that, but chose NOT TO very clearly implies to a critical audience that you're perhaps deluding yourself about these healings; that you don't want to REALLY PROVE FOR YOURSELF that they really occurred.
I personally seen miracles happen in front of my face. I can state them and them people will tend to come up with "reasons" to blast me. From the rent being paid for, to God using a broken phone to dial call someone, etc. People will say that it is not true.
I witnessed my friend's wife heat stoke/exhaustion completely leave her body when I prayed for her. It been over 7 years and never had another one since i prayed. I witnessed my friends breast cancer leave her body when i prayed for her. I prayed for my friend who had herpes and I prayed and they got checked again and they came back negative after I prayed. I mean i seen alot of stuff, but people will just say........well you are lying, etc. I really appreciate you as an individual for not trying to tear me up and come out and saying..... your are lying, etc. I am not here to argue in peoples belief at all. i just came to testify what I experienced. One of my friends got raped and she end of getting herpes. She would pray and people at church prayed that she would get healed and she did. It was a great testimony at church (although they did not mention her name because she wanted to be kept anonymous). But then again, people will again say I am lying. Our old associate pastor preached before and called out diiffernt sicknesses when he was preaching. He looked at a woman in church and said you have cancer and God is healing you......( i found out she had cancer for about half her life. She was in her 40s.) She got checked out a week later on and the doctors were surprised because her cancer was gone. My pastor also had the documentation of the test showing that it was gone. I mean i can keep giving testimonies, but it is up to the person to believe me or not
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 07, 2010, 11:15:11 PM
Any amputees?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 07, 2010, 11:25:06 PM
Any amputees?
I have not experienced any of them. To paraphrase a recent one at our church recently. A person had a back problem (maybe hip) because of one side of their leg was longer. So, a brother in the Lord prayed for that individual. The person started to feel their leg get warm and tingle. The person literally felt their shorter leg grow. After that, he has not experienced any back (or hip) pain. I did not personally see it, but it was a recent testimony that was mentioned at our church. You dont have to believe me though. Almost everyone here think I am a liar anyways.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 07, 2010, 11:25:21 PM
I'll be blunt: I don't give a shit what you've seen if I can't see the documentation to check it out myself.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 07, 2010, 11:30:56 PM
I'll be honest with you. I am Lucille Ball. Trust me...  :-\
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 07, 2010, 11:34:38 PM
I'll be blunt: I don't give a shit what you've seen if I can't see the documentation to check it out myself.

And I dont really care if you believe in what I say. That is your free will. But I do care about where you would go after your time on earth is up.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 07, 2010, 11:36:07 PM
I'll be honest with you. I am Lucille Ball. Trust me...  :-\
I am really glad I am getting to you to =)
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: RaymondKHessel on September 07, 2010, 11:38:36 PM
Curing lepers, huh?  Did they bathe themselves in bird's blood as it instructs in the bible? Or was it strictly through prayer?

I'm not terribly impressed though. Three better testimonials I've read on this site are A.)1,500+ people in Africa have been raised from the dead B.)God gave a latino guy gold fronts for his teeth when he prayed for them (just woke up one morning and POOF! A golden grill) and C.)God let a guy drive an extra 50 miles when his gastank read "E" for empty.

8 lepers? A magically stretchy leg? Meh.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 07, 2010, 11:38:59 PM


And I dont really care if you believe in what I say. That is your free will. But I do care about where you would go after your time on earth is up.

You and I will both rot. OR I will most likely see you in hell because you failed to worship Jesus and God how he wanted you too (CONSIDERING there are 38000 denominations of Christianity) (then there are the other forgotten gods that might've created the entire world that you fail to worship.)
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 07, 2010, 11:41:43 PM


And I dont really care if you believe in what I say. That is your free will. But I do care about where you would go after your time on earth is up.

You and I will both rot. OR I will most likely see you in hell because you failed to worship Jesus and God how he wanted you too (CONSIDERING there are 38000 denominations of Christianity) (then there are the other forgotten gods that might've created the entire world that you fail to worship.)

My church is a non-denomination christian church. I believe that Jesus, is the way the truth and the light. I can pray for you to if you like ;D
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 07, 2010, 11:43:44 PM
I believe that Jesus, is the way the truth and the light.

...and so do 38000 others...

Quote
I can pray for you to if you like ;D

please don't.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: RaymondKHessel on September 07, 2010, 11:49:13 PM


And I dont really care if you believe in what I say. That is your free will. But I do care about where you would go after your time on earth is up.

You and I will both rot. OR I will most likely see you in hell because you failed to worship Jesus and God how he wanted you too (CONSIDERING there are 38000 denominations of Christianity) (then there are the other forgotten gods that might've created the entire world that you fail to worship.)

My church is a non-denomination christian church. I believe that Jesus, is the way the truth and the light. I can pray for you to if you like ;D

Well, a few billion people find other ways. He certainly wasn't the truth - he lies demonstratably a few times, and his dad's biography contains falseities on every other page. As far as being "the light"... I don't even know what that means.

You can feel free to pray for me though. You definitely wouldn't be the first lol. I've had dozens of people pray for me to find my way to Jesus. Apparently their faith wasn't strong enough because I've still never felt any inclination to believe any single part of what I consider to be a primitive and totally laughable fairy tale. Maybe you'll finally be the one  to get skydaddy's attention though.  That'd be keen!

I encourage you to check back often. If gawd doesn't answer your prayer immediately, I'm sure it's just one of those "well I'll get around to it eventually" type wish-granting your deity is so fond of.

Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 07, 2010, 11:50:56 PM
I believe that Jesus, is the way the truth and the light.

...and so do 38000 others...

Quote
I can pray for you to if you like ;D

please don't.
why, if God is not real then my prayers wont work.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: RaymondKHessel on September 07, 2010, 11:53:21 PM
I believe that Jesus, is the way the truth and the light.

...and so do 38000 others...

Quote
I can pray for you to if you like ;D

please don't.
why, if God is not real then my prayers wont work.

Just a shot in the dark... Because a lot of atheists consider it insulting. It amounts to "Well, whether you like it or not, I'm going to involve YOU PERSONALLY in my dellusions."

Edit: Please learn to quote properly. The post above mine is a hot mess of laziness.

Edit: Oh goodie. You erased it completely. No need to re-post it. I get it. You're happy you have more people on your "prayer list" lol. Is that like Santa's "naughty and nice" list by any chance? Or is it more like a grocery wish-list of trivial bullshit?  :D


"Dear all-powerfull (but strangely ambiguous) space genie... Please cure Sparky's worms, let Aunt Agnes have better bowel regularity, and oh yeah, please guide this person I've never met who doesn't give a damn about me or you to please think like me. Abra Cadabra".  ;D
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 07, 2010, 11:53:32 PM
why, if God is not real then my prayers wont work.

Because I'd hate for you to waste your time on your knees talking to yourself while thinking some divine being is hearing you. But it's your life and you can do what you want to.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: truehyuga on September 07, 2010, 11:56:32 PM
Any amputees?
...Almost everyone here think I am a liar anyways.
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2746/hazinggivesomeevidence.jpg)
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: William on September 07, 2010, 11:57:30 PM
A person had a back problem (maybe hip) because of one side of their leg was longer. So, a brother in the Lord prayed for that individual. The person started to feel their leg get warm and tingle. The person literally felt their shorter leg grow.

It took many things to turn me away from Christianity.  But the ONE event that had the most memorable impact on me was when I saw, with my own eyes, this very miracle trick being performed right in front of me.

It's a trick that I now perform at parties to amuse people.

I've written up the technique here on WWGHA - search my posts and you'll find how it's done - no miracle at all.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Emily on September 08, 2010, 12:02:59 AM
Coo...You are on my prayer list. Thanks! I am new and trying to figure out the correct way of posting. That is why I removed that last message.

Read up on the Quoting FAQ (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=4259.0) and test quoting on the test board of WWGHA (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?board=28.0)

Your post #105 in the My Testimony thread is a mess.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: RaymondKHessel on September 08, 2010, 12:04:02 AM
There's a "test" section for a reason Cochise.

I suggest you use it until you figure out what you're doing. Otherwise your nuclear quote-failing is liable to give us all a brain aneurysm.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: wsyderider on September 08, 2010, 12:07:56 AM


Coo...You are on my prayer list. Thanks raymond! I am new and trying to figure out the correct way of posting. That is why I removed that last message.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: RaymondKHessel on September 08, 2010, 12:11:48 AM


Coo...You are on my prayer list. Thanks raymond! I am new and trying to figure out the correct way of posting. That is why I removed that last message.


No problem. Good to know your god is tech savy enough to track down my IP and figure out who I am. With the whole goat fetish and obsession with mutilating people's genitals and curing leoprasy with bird's blood, I was under the impression he/it/whatever was a little behind the times. I'll let you know if I sprout some faith overnight.

But, umm... What if I don't? Doesn't that mean your faith isn't strong enough or something?  :(
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Astreja on September 08, 2010, 12:17:11 AM
And I dont really care if you believe in what I say. That is your free will. But I do care about where you would go after your time on earth is up.

If you honestly think that nonbelievers go to hell after death...

...And you consciously worship a deity whom you believe is the creator and maintainer of that hell, and the judge who condemns non-compliant sentient beings to torture therein...

...Your prayers are deliberate petitions to an unspeakably evil god.  Personally, I see that as either cowardice or complicity.  In My opinion, the only moral option is to choose to go to hell until all other beings are freed from the place.  That is My choice, and it is non-negotiable.

Oh, and don't bother praying for Me, wsyderider.  I receive such "offers" exactly as if someone had attempted to pick Me off with a high-powered rifle.  It is worse than an insult -- It is an attempt to subvert our free will by petitioning an invisible friend to mess with our minds and force faith upon us.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: plethora on September 08, 2010, 04:33:52 AM
And I dont really care if you believe in what I say. That is your free will. But I do care about where you would go after your time on earth is up.

So let me understand this then...

You worship a god that presumably created us exactly the way we are and put us on this earth to 'test' us knowling full well that most of his creation would not follow him. He set up the rules which include people like me (and +5 billion other people walking the earth today) going to hell for eternity after we die. He helps your friends pay rent, helps you do a cell phone trick while ignoring more important and urgent problems in this world. He allows suffering on earth and suffering eternally in hell for most of his creature he allegedly 'loves'... and you worship him.

What a sick, twisted delusion this is.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: IAmFirst on September 08, 2010, 05:27:16 AM
My church is a non-denomination christian church. I believe that Jesus, is the way the truth and the light. I can pray for you to if you like ;D

Very good. Please do. I need prayer. In return, I will pray to Odin for you, perhaps Apollo, since you appear to need some heat in your area of CA. ;)

Wsyderider, I do welcome you to this forum. I intend to do my best not to offend a real creature, such as yourself, within their belief preference.

Please don't ask me to respect an illiterate zombie, (Jesus) whom if existed, probably couldn't read or write, more simply explaining why he didn't directly contribute to the holy or divine book which you use as your only source. Sending evil spirits into pigs then sending off a cliff?? Explaining to his disciples in Matthew 5-17-46 that all laws in the Pentateuch MUST be followed and fulfilled before salvation can happen? Are you sitting on a bed or chair with a woman who has menstruated recently (just how god planned) without burning your clothes and washing yourself?
I mean, this IS a direct request of your savior. And let's not forget defiling fig trees. :D

Seriously, I won't attack you, Wsy, but your god and motherless zombie son (who are one and the same) leave a lot of reason to be teased, ridiculed and certainly never worshipped. Making fun of them only requires a full reading of the text.

Heck, if I did worship this atrocity of omnipotence, I'd be admitting I'm a product of incest-- BOTH from the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve and yet again, by the offspring of Noah-- you remember him, the 600 year old man your biblegod enslaved to build an impossible boat and aid and abet an all powerful deity to commit the most preposterous murder in the history of fiction.

I wish you very well and hope you can find faith in all of humanity, and not just the humans who share a similar delusion.

Peace to you. -- IAF
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Anfauglir on September 08, 2010, 05:29:21 AM
My friend was at the hospital and needed rent money. We prayed and by faith I believe Jesus would pay for it. He called the apartment, and the rent was paid for.

Three points.

1) God clearly has a "soft spot" for your friend.  Why are his prayers for the starving in Africa not answered in the same way?  Heck, for the homeless in your own country?  What is special about you that you have so many prayers granted for things you could fix yourselves?

2) God knows everything.  Why does anyone need to pray at all?  Surely god already knows what we need?  Why did the bills not get paid without your having to ask?

3) As Bereft asked, where DID the money come from?  Did the rental company's bank balance suddenly change, as the direct work of god interfering with the bank system?  Did you consider that someone else may have been paying?.....how do you (as a Christian) feel about the fact that you may have been receiving money from someone who was unaware they were doing it, and for whom the extra expense may have caused problems?


Hello again wsyderider - just wondering if you'd had a chance to consider these questions?

I note that you have continued to give further examples of when prayer has apparently worked for you - out of curiosity, why are you bothering?  You could, quite literally, give thousands of unsupported example - but I can assure you it wouldn't mean anything.  There is not some critical mass of text that will suddenly make us think "876 stories...naaah, don't believe it.  877....hang on.....878......Praise Jesus!  I believe!"

I would suggest you please refrain from bothering with more examples, and perhaps engage with the questions you have been asked about your original story - reproduce above for your convenience.  You'll note that none of them accuse you of lying about the rent getting paid, but rather about what the appearance of that money says about your god ....and about you.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: GetMeThere on September 08, 2010, 05:56:53 AM
One of my friends got raped and she end of getting herpes. She would pray and people at church prayed that she would get healed and she did. It was a great testimony at church (although they did not mention her name because she wanted to be kept anonymous). But then again, people will again say I am lying.

No. I wouldn't say you are lying; I would say you are deluding yourself--and that is directly evident from what you've said: There's no way to say someone has been "healed" from herpes. Herpes comes and goes on it's own, and when it goes there's no simple test for it's presence. A normal case of herpes would be expected to act exactly in the manner that your friend's has.

Furthermore, quite candidly....might it be true that maybe your friend also is trying to be....agreeable? Loving people pray for her and...well, she decides she's getting better? Is anyone from the congregation examining her genitals to verify that the herpes outbreak has disappeared (which, as I said before, it would be EXPECTED TO, anyhow)? I doubt it. Almost ALL sick people given some "medicine" will subsequently report that they feel at least "a little bit better."
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: changeling on September 08, 2010, 07:10:28 AM

I believe what the website says. I've read the website many times. I am getting offensive because you are blatantly lying right to our::virtual:: faces.
 
Even still all of California is warmer than all of NY and I still pay MORE for electricity in NY than I did when I lived in California and I've NEVER seen a bill higher than 100 bucks in my entire life.


There are many reasons to think that wsyderider may be lying for jesus, but his electric bill should not be one of them.

I live in a modest home in a rural area that gets power from REMC. My electric bill averages $220.00 per month and I do not heat with
electric heat. In fact I live in the woods and use a wood burner to heat in the winter in order to save money.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: HAL on September 08, 2010, 08:26:29 AM
I can pray for you to if you like ;D

I'd like you to pray for me. What are you going to pray for? Let me know so I can report to the forum if anything happens.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: truehyuga on September 08, 2010, 08:45:08 AM
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Anyone want to add any other conditions? Time? Check color? Etc.?
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: Gimpy on September 08, 2010, 10:01:43 AM
A person had a back problem (maybe hip) because of one side of their leg was longer.

Yea. I'm calling you (and whoever is part of the scam) a liar.

For the record, our bodies are asymmetrical. EVERYONE has one leg longer than the other.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: RaymondKHessel on September 12, 2010, 06:07:11 PM
A person had a back problem (maybe hip) because of one side of their leg was longer.

Yea. I'm calling you (and whoever is part of the scam) a liar.

For the record, our bodies are asymmetrical. EVERYONE has one leg longer than the other.

For the record, I could say something completely crude yet hillarious here, specifically involving 3rd legs. But I won't. Too much class, you see.   ;)

Oh, and update: I haven't found Jesus yet unfortunately.

I THOUGHT I felt a presence the other night, but it turns up it was just a McRib digesting.

So, feeling dejected, and with the obligatory giant hole in my soul that so desperately needs filling in order for me to not be a miserable and morally bankrupt human being, I even checked the back of my closet, the laundry hamper, and behind the carwash on the corner... No luck. So either homeboy lied and didn't pray for me, his faith isn't strong enough, or Yahweh just hasn't found the time yet. Which sucks because I just de-converted a Jehovah's witness the other day, and a timely intervention from the Almighty would surely have stayed my devilish tounge, and saved that poor wackadoo from the eternity of delightful tortures that doubtless awaits him now.

My bet is that God just doesn't like me. Or Jehovah's Witnesses, apparently. :(

I'll continue to keep an eye out though.
Title: Re: My testimony.
Post by: none on September 28, 2010, 05:26:31 AM
I have been to CARM, it is very frustrating...
poeple pay money to matt slick to run the site, go figure...