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Title: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: DVZ3 on March 12, 2010, 02:56:43 PM

How can someone like this seriously have his own tv show let alone millions of followers who watch him religiously!? He's at it again with his stupidity but at least there's one church that reconizes this.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/index.html?hpt=C1
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on March 12, 2010, 03:06:44 PM
Yes, he is an idiot and taking all of his money to the bank.  He is also a Mormon so he may need this money for when he is a god with his own planet.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: One Above All on March 12, 2010, 03:06:44 PM
a theist is a moron? that's not news
now a REALLY, REALLY smart[1] theist would be news
 1. how much you know=/=how smart you are
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on March 12, 2010, 03:58:54 PM
He was basically trying to foment a schism among Christians:

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"I beg you, look for the words ’social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words.

Now, am I advising people to leave their church? ….. YES!”

In Beck's mind, "social justice" is some kind of Marxist code, and churches shouldn't talk about standing up for the poor, hungry, sick, etc.

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Christian Leaders Call For Boycott Of Glenn Beck
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/11/845379/-Christian-Leaders-Call-For-Boycott-Of-Glenn-BeckJoin-Here

He probably thought he was aiming his attack only at ultra-liberal churches, but he'd better be careful, because the Catholics and other mainstream churches use the term "social justice" all the time.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on March 12, 2010, 06:52:51 PM
MOst times people like Beck will destroy themselves if you give them enough rope.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on March 12, 2010, 07:57:17 PM
Remember this guy?

[Hotlink FAIL. It was a pic of Morton Downey, Jr.]

Hopefully Beck's career will follow a similar path.  
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on March 13, 2010, 10:22:37 AM
If there had been fox news channel in Mort's day, he'd still be employed.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on March 13, 2010, 11:19:47 AM
Think what Joseph McCarthy might have been like if he had had a FOX News to work with?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on March 13, 2010, 11:22:45 AM
Work with? He'd probably have his own show!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on March 19, 2010, 03:51:10 PM
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"Sit here, while I go yonder and pray. [...] Are you still sleeping and taking your rest? Behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Rupert is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going; see, My betrayer is at hand."

A quote from the Daily Kos article about Beck. (Link a few posts up.) The Son of Rupert?!? I'm actually rendered speechless... There's also a great picture in the article portraying Beck as he sees himself---the next coming. Check it out.
SherB
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Pale Rider on March 19, 2010, 04:24:59 PM
Go easy on him. He's just trying to be the 21st Centuries Thomas Paine................... :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Ananukia on March 19, 2010, 04:32:37 PM
Go easy on him. He's just trying to be the 21st Centuries Thomas Paine................... :D :D :D :D

HaHaHa, I see what you did there.

Comparing a crazed, rich, morman with Thomas Paine, an atheist that died penniless.

HaHaHaHa
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Al Stefanelli on March 19, 2010, 04:35:13 PM

How can someone like this seriously have his own tv show let alone millions of followers who watch him religiously!? He's at it again with his stupidity but at least there's one church that reconizes this.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/index.html?hpt=C1

Whenever I want to laugh my ass off, I turn on Glenn Beck.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on March 20, 2010, 11:52:45 AM
Beck is reportedly set to go to war against liberal clergy who dare challenge him:

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Beck to Wallis: "In my time, I will respond. ... Just know the hammer's coming"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003150017

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FOX News Funds Research and Smear Campaign Against American Pastor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/burns-strider/fox-news-funds-research-a_b_504433.html
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on March 20, 2010, 01:40:11 PM
McCarthyism!!!      Someone will have to take him down or let him burn himself out.  You can't be that much of a nut and trying to outdo yourself each day and week without it catching up to you.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gaston on March 20, 2010, 02:25:18 PM
Pffft, people are too obsessed with Fox news prime-time hosts. I think this video reflects the willingless to hate people like Glenn Beck over other people:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-faCh8BUEts[/youtube]
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on March 21, 2010, 09:30:00 AM
That video's funny. Ok, maybe some people take the hate too far, but I think there's good reason to take these people very seriously. They have very big soap boxes and spread misinformation to millions of people, many of whom take it as gospel.

Targets of their smear campaigns have lost jobs, had their reputations ruined, been subject to harassment and death threats, etc.,
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gaston on March 21, 2010, 10:12:58 AM
That video's funny. Ok, maybe some people take the hate too far, but I think there's good reason to take these people very seriously. They have very big soap boxes and spread misinformation to millions of people, many of whom take it as gospel.

Targets of their smear campaigns have lost jobs, had their reputations ruined, been subject to harassment and death threats, etc.,

Taking them and their claims seriously yes. That's a good thing. But there quite a bit of people spreading misinformation and doing smear campaigns against for example Glenn Beck. It really just magnifies the problem rather than attempt to solve it. Fighting fire with fire is kind of futile.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on March 21, 2010, 10:39:02 AM
But there quite a bit of people spreading misinformation and doing smear campaigns against for example Glenn Beck.

Really? Aside from the rape-and-murder thing, which is obviously an Internet satire, I usually just see people running clips of Beck's own show and holding them up for mockery. There's really no counterweight that equals the vast right-wing echo chamber of Fox News and talk radio. Keith Olbermann's "worst persons" + occasional jabs by the likes of Jon Stewart or Bill Maher don't compare to the hours of sustained insanity that Fox presents on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on March 21, 2010, 11:30:57 AM
But there quite a bit of people spreading misinformation and doing smear campaigns against for example Glenn Beck.

Really? Aside from the rape-and-murder thing, which is obviously an Internet satire, I usually just see people running clips of Beck's own show and holding them up for mockery. There's really no counterweight that equals the vast right-wing echo chamber of Fox News and talk radio. Keith Olbermann's "worst persons" + occasional jabs by the likes of Jon Stewart or Bill Maher don't compare to the hours of sustained insanity that Fox presents on a daily basis.
A big +1
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Max Kodan on March 21, 2010, 11:44:01 AM
Taking them and their claims seriously yes. That's a good thing. But there quite a bit of people spreading misinformation and doing smear campaigns against for example Glenn Beck. It really just magnifies the problem rather than attempt to solve it. Fighting fire with fire is kind of futile.

Wanna know the difference?  With Glenn Beck, any of these smear campaigns do nothing but good for him.  And yet, it's still hilarious to see Jon Stewart run around to a bunch of blackboards proving, with Glenn Beck's logic, that if you are of any religious faith whatsoever then you are obviously an insane, theocracy worshiping loon.  Also, Bert is Hitler.  And even still, that's not a smear campaign.  Glenn Beck is a crazy person.  It's actually quite hilarious watching him, if you can make yourself think that it's satire.  But when you get other news anchors on there nodding like he's some kind of genius, it shocks you back to reality, where yes, he's serious.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gaston on March 21, 2010, 12:28:38 PM
Really? Aside from the rape-and-murder thing, which is obviously an Internet satire, I usually just see people running clips of Beck's own show and holding them up for mockery. There's really no counterweight that equals the vast right-wing echo chamber of Fox News and talk radio. Keith Olbermann's "worst persons" + occasional jabs by the likes of Jon Stewart or Bill Maher don't compare to the hours of sustained insanity that Fox presents on a daily basis.

There's no left-wing equal of Fox News no, but the constant showing of clips of Glenn beck along with some figure laughing at them (and thus indirectly instructing the audience to laugh at them), is more than enough of a smear campaign. It may sound quite innocent, but all it contributes towards is polarizing audiences (just like Beck himself with his show does), and alienate the ones who do not agree.

I may have been a bit quick to say "misinformation" by the way. That's a vague term, and I'm sorry about that. But what I mean, is that people mocking Glenn Beck along with his fans, usually do so in a cheap uninformative way. It's not really anything but a cheap laugh really. There are some good Critical pieces (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1924348,00.html) on the subject, that really gives some understanding into the situation and a perspective on the whole thing, but mainly, the critisism I see against Glenn Beck, is not any more classy than the critisism Beck himself fires in his own show.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gaston on March 21, 2010, 12:37:18 PM
Wanna know the difference?  With Glenn Beck, any of these smear campaigns do nothing but good for him.  And yet, it's still hilarious to see Jon Stewart run around to a bunch of blackboards proving, with Glenn Beck's logic, that if you are of any religious faith whatsoever then you are obviously an insane, theocracy worshiping loon.  Also, Bert is Hitler.  And even still, that's not a smear campaign.  Glenn Beck is a crazy person.  It's actually quite hilarious watching him, if you can make yourself think that it's satire.  But when you get other news anchors on there nodding like he's some kind of genius, it shocks you back to reality, where yes, he's serious.

I'm not really talking about Jon Stewart, though it may fit the profile somewhat, but it's supposed to be satire, so I don't really give it much blame. What I'm talking about is people stooping to Glenn Becks own level (though not necessarily applying the same means), and thinking that it'd actually contribute something good towards the situation. Glenn Beck is obviously a disturbed person, but that is just all the more reason to not keep going at him the way things are now. I think that situation is similar to the movie Network as mentioned in this article (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1924348,00.html) which gives some perspective on the situation.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on March 21, 2010, 01:20:34 PM
The problem with viewers of faux in general and Beck in particular, is that after watching hours of that a day, they, even those who should know better, are completely brainwashed. TV, and faux especially, reduces any topic down to a ten-second sound byte. No serious political issue can be presented in a factual, honest manner in a ten-second sound byte. Screaming 'drill baby drill' excites the sheeple (my word for anyone who believes either religious or faux bullshit) in a way that a thoughtful, factual discussion of global climate change does not.

And since the huge corporations do everything in their power to discredit climate change (just an example as a topic) they spend truckloads of money using focus groups and marketing strategists to figure out the best way to get and keep people's attention to take their side. The reason the corps are doing it is because if we don't believe in climate change they can improve their bottom line by continuing to poison the planet, and that's all they care about. The sheeple, having had their attention span and IQ reduced by watching faux or any republican congressman or senator inanely promote their agenda, vote and take action in favor of things that are provably against their benefit.

Sorry for wandering, but the point I'm making about Beck and his minions is that A, they have absolutely no agenda other than their own profit and power and enriching the corporations that back them, and B, idiots like Beck help keep the folks so dumbed down that they literally do not have the attention span to watch even a 15-minute news piece. If it can't be expressed in a screaming 10-seconds they can't handle it. So that audience is basically incapable of comprehending any news from TV that anyone with any sense would present. And since all other media, for the most part, like most internet and print publications, are now beyond their intelligence, they simply won't watch it or read it. So there's no reaching the Glenn Beck audience by now.

I don't know what the solution is for this brainwashing. I'm a huge believer in free speech, but I despair of what's happening to our country by the combination of corporate money, 'news' organizations with absolutely no scruples, and an audience conditioned by TV from childhood to believe that all issues can be explained and decided in less than thirty seconds. And then they vote however the Beck's of the world tell them to. It really makes me sad, because I don't think there's a way out of this mess before our nation totally implodes. And the fauxers aren't interested in governing anyway, only in firing up the masses.

SherB
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on April 08, 2010, 08:27:09 PM
Angry Jews are tweeting Glenn Beck with haikus. The group "Jewish Funds for Justice" launched a "Twitterstorm" against the pundit's account to protest his recent comments denouncing religions which advocate "social justice":

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Jews Twitterbomb Glenn Beck With Haikus
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/Jews-Twitterbomb-Glenn-Beck-With-Haikus-1024

Here are some examples from the group's web page: (http://www.haikuglennbeck.com/index.php?toprated )

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Give me your fearful
Your easily influenced
Oh - and a chalkboard

Glenn Beck knows that when
Jesus preached social justice
it was sarcasm.

Does the Bible say
anything about the poor?
It’s in there somewhere.

And Jesus said to
All his hungry disciples
"Hands off my fish, chumps"


Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Azdgari on April 08, 2010, 08:41:27 PM
You know who else gets too much hate put on him, Gaston?  Fred Phelps.  Doncha think?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on April 09, 2010, 07:32:38 AM
Forbes does a cover story on Beck this month, revealing that he took in $32 million dollars last year. He says he's primarily an "entertainer" and doesn't really "give a flying crap about the political process."

He was also quoted as saying “If you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.”

Somebody tell the teabaggers, they seem to think he's the new Thomas Jefferson.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/08/beck-on-politics/
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: subtleinspiration on April 09, 2010, 08:49:16 AM
That's really the ultimate truth about these people. They don't really care about politics, and probably don't even personally agree with some of what they spout. They've just found their personal "money train" and well ride that sucker all the way to the station.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on April 09, 2010, 10:49:58 AM
I heard he makes 32 million a year. What would you do for 32 million a year?

-nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gaston on April 09, 2010, 02:26:49 PM
You know who else gets too much hate put on him, Gaston?  Fred Phelps.  Doncha think?
Yes.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on April 10, 2010, 12:23:17 AM
You know who else gets too much hate put on him, Gaston?  Fred Phelps.  Doncha think?
Yes.

Really? Please elaborate for the rest of us how Phelps is maligned and misunderstood. I think it would be fascinating. You do know who he is, right? The God hates fags guy who pickets soldiers' funerals. I've never heard anybody stand up for him yet. I'd love a really thoughtful piece on how he's just expressing himself and we just don't understnd.
SherB
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Ananukia on April 10, 2010, 12:43:43 AM
I heard he makes 32 million a year. What would you do for 32 million a year?

-nam


I would skin Glenn Beck and masquerade as him.

Does that make me a whore?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gaston on April 10, 2010, 07:50:42 AM
Really? Please elaborate for the rest of us how Phelps is maligned and misunderstood. I think it would be fascinating. You do know who he is, right? The God hates fags guy who pickets soldiers' funerals. I've never heard anybody stand up for him yet. I'd love a really thoughtful piece on how he's just expressing himself and we just don't understnd.
SherB

- I have never claimed Fred Phelps to be either maligned nor misunderstood.
- I have never claimed, nor given the impression that I am standing up for him.

So disregarding your inane extrapolations to a simple one word statement by me, I'll comment though that he gets too much hate IMO. I think the general principle is something akin to "fighting fire with fire". I look forward to what I havent stated that you will be able to extradict from my post next!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on April 12, 2010, 12:23:43 PM
Does that make me a whore?

Not a whore. A very demented and sick human being, sure -- which makes your endeavor more plausible.

;)

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on April 12, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
I heard he makes 32 million a year. What would you do for 32 million a year?

-nam


I would skin Glenn Beck and masquerade as him.

Does that make me a whore?

But not a cheap whore!  ;D
SherB
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on April 23, 2010, 12:22:26 PM
Beck has lost about a quarter of his ratings since January:

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What's going down with Glenn Beck's ratings?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/23/859998/-Whats-going-down-with-Glenn-Becks-ratings

He still has a large following (unprecedented for a 5 PM cable news show), but I'm hoping this is a sign that he's a fad which has peaked.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Whateverman on April 23, 2010, 12:42:19 PM
He still has a large following (unprecedented for a 5 PM cable news show), but I'm hoping this is a sign that he's a fad which has peaked.

Hatred and bigotry have a remarkable ability to self-resurrect...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on April 23, 2010, 01:48:01 PM
Beck has lost about a quarter of his ratings since January:

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What's going down with Glenn Beck's ratings?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/23/859998/-Whats-going-down-with-Glenn-Becks-ratings

He still has a large following (unprecedented for a 5 PM cable news show), but I'm hoping this is a sign that he's a fad which has peaked.
If it is trus then you can bet he will do something crazy (crazier) to get ratings back.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on April 30, 2010, 08:16:51 AM
Beck does seem to be stepping up the crazy this week:

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Full Mental Beck
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002087/
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on April 30, 2010, 08:54:02 AM
He still has a large following (unprecedented for a 5 PM cable news show), but I'm hoping this is a sign that he's a fad which has peaked.

I heard his "flock" has been dwindling for awhile. Even FOX seems to be distancing themselves from him in promotions etc.,

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on April 30, 2010, 03:26:15 PM
How can you keep that kind of stupid fresh and believable day after day?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Whateverman on April 30, 2010, 03:56:30 PM
How can you keep that kind of stupid fresh and believable day after day?

Neither is required.  All it needs to be is entertaining...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on May 01, 2010, 05:27:32 AM
He still has a large following (unprecedented for a 5 PM cable news show), but I'm hoping this is a sign that he's a fad which has peaked.

I heard his "flock" has been dwindling for awhile. Even FOX seems to be distancing themselves from him in promotions etc.,

-Nam


I hear faux took out a full-page newspaper ad with a photo of everybody at fauxnoise promoting their network. The only big absence from the shot was Mr. Beck. Some do say faux is trying to disance themselves from him, or at least not present his show as 'news' like they try to do with the rest of the gang. I don't know if it's that I've been around different people lately or what, but I sure haven't heard as much of their trash. Maybe it really is that the tighty whiteys can keep that fake outrage going for so long---it would be nice.
SherB
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on May 01, 2010, 09:41:12 AM
How can you keep that kind of stupid fresh and believable day after day?

All you need are gullible people who think that every word he say's is infallible.  Beck for Pope!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on May 13, 2010, 12:48:50 PM
Lewis Black took apart Glenn Beck on the Daily Show, and it's hilarious:

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Glenn Beck's Nazi Tourette's
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-12-2010/back-in-black---glenn-beck-s-nazi-tourette-s
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on May 13, 2010, 01:02:21 PM
Lewis Black took apart Glenn Beck on the Daily Show, and it's hilarious:

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Glenn Beck's Nazi Tourette's
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-12-2010/back-in-black---glenn-beck-s-nazi-tourette-s

Thanks!  That was awesome!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Positiveaob on May 13, 2010, 01:14:19 PM
I saw it last night.  That was Lewis Black at his best.  Glenn Beck just
makes it too easy for people like him, Stewart and Colbert.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Tealeaf on May 13, 2010, 02:50:14 PM
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Glen Beck is an Idiot...

[/end thread]
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on May 13, 2010, 08:21:08 PM
I saw it last night.  That was Lewis Black at his best.  Glenn Beck just
makes it too easy for people like him, Stewart and Colbert.

That was great! I love Jon Stewart, Lewis Black and Stephen Cobert. I just read on a site that his show is running in the UK with no commercials as the boycott against his sponsors has been so successful that he now has zero sponsors. http://foxnewsboycott.com/glenn-beck/glenn-becks-uk-show-without-sponsors-for-almost-a-week/

Would make me proud if I was British, but sigh, I'm an American and Beck will never, ever lose his sponsors here. He could start biting the heads off live kittens on the air and people would still tune in. It would be really entertaining if it wasn't so scary and sad.

My brother's listened to him for so long that he thinks Beck's a "strict Constitutionalist." Huh? The right-wingers, starting with George Bush and including Beck and the entire fauxnoise pack of jackals, have been wiping their respective asses with the Constitution and flushing the Nill of Rights down the shitter for years. Just my opinion, of course...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on May 13, 2010, 08:30:18 PM

My brother's listened to him for so long that he thinks Beck's a "strict Constitutionalist." Huh? The right-wingers, starting with George Bush and including Beck and the entire fauxnoise pack of jackals, have been wiping their respective asses with the Constitution and flushing the Nill of Rights down the shitter for years. Just my opinion, of course...

My dad has been practically begging me to watch recent episodes where GB has exposed yet another massive scandal involving Obama, that no one else in the mainstream media has reported.  Sigh.  He knows what I think of GB, and he asked me to put all of that aside for this one sensational story.  It was so scandalous I can't even remember what it was about (although it involved some group in Chicago who will control a 10 trillion dollar market once clean air legislation becomes reality.)

Anyway, I just can't even stand to look at him anymore, much less try to pay attention to the drivel and idiocy spewing from his pie hole.  Although, you gotta give him some credit for finding a spot in the entertainment industry that is ripe for the milking!  He's become quite wealthy recently...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on May 14, 2010, 08:06:52 AM
Would make me proud if I was British, but sigh, I'm an American and Beck will never, ever lose his sponsors here. He could start biting the heads off live kittens on the air and people would still tune in. It would be really entertaining if it wasn't so scary and sad.

As if we didn't have enough America bashers on this site.  "O Woe!  We Americans are too stupid!"  Yeah, we have a significant population of assholes.  But, who doesn't?  Show a little pride, SherB. 

Beck has been losing sponsors in the US for about a year. And that is without a boycott.
From 8/09 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/advertisers-deserting-fox-news-glenn-beck-2009-08-14 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/advertisers-deserting-fox-news-glenn-beck-2009-08-14)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on May 14, 2010, 09:55:10 AM
Sorry, I think I'd had a recent conversation by a Beck and faux fan too recently and my brain needed to be taken out and washed!  :shrug I mean, Rupert Murdoch isn't even American, so everybody has a part in the nasty piece of business that calls itself "fox news-fair and balanced." On the other hand, we also have Bill Maher and Jon Stewart, and the rest of the lamestream media (if I hear that phrase one more time from someone I'm actually physically standing next to I won't be responsible for my actions.)

I did read a column recently from someone who made the claim that at every juncture when a large change was happening, civil rights movement, suffragette movement, etc., that the pushback from those who benefitted from the status quo was just like what it going on now.

The one thing that I think does make it different this time is fauxnoise. Hmmm, what would have happened to the civil rights movement if there had been an entire television network---I almost said 'news' then remembered who I was talking about---that spent hour after hour spewing nonsense and blatant lies about how bad and dangerous Negros (the label of choice at the time) were and how the country was never going to recover from letting those people eat at the same lunch counters or vote.

O'Reilly would have had Strom Thurman on explaining how 'they' couldn't go to the same schools as white children because they weren't smart enough to learn and it would only be a waste of time. Beck would have put things on his blackboard saying that Negros would poison the water if allowed to swim in white peoples' schools. Sarah Palin would explain how they weren't really Christians and that our founding fathers had founded this country on the biblical belief that Negros should remain slaves.

Of course, she'd be closest to being at least technically correct, considering that the bible extolled slavery. It doesn't specifially talk about black people and slavery, but it has some other pretty choice things to say about them, too, if you decide to take certain passages literally. And our fundie friends would have been quoting those passages day after day, hour after hour, ad nauseum. 

Every time a civil rights worker was gunned down, the narrative would have been that they started it, were only trying to make the segregationists look mean, and it was all the Negros fault they got shot. And Beck would ponder the good points of maybe shooting all of them, not that he was trying to extol violence or anything...

Face it, if fauxnoise had existed during the civil rights era, black people not only would have never got the vote or equal rights, they probably would have either been re-enslaved or shipped back to Africa. Had they existed during the suffragette movement, women would not now have the vote or be allowed out of the home without a keeper.

I realize I tend to go on and on, but those of you who don't live in an almost completely republican, fundamentalist christian or catholic, red state with faux viewers outnumbering every one else 10-1 can't imagine what it's like. The dentists' offices all have TV's tuned to faux, the banks all have TV's in the lobby tuned to faux. Glenn Beck is considered the second coming and Bill O'Reilly the smartest and best infomed "newsman" whose ever existed. I work at a fucking newspaper and you'd think at least there peole would be better educated. Nope--god it gets old!  :P

There are a number of anti-faux websites and facebook pages, and even here the network is carrying Beck because he's losing his sponsors here as well. Murdoch is in it for the money as much as the notoriety, though, and eventually even a star like Beck will have to begin carrying his own weight again.

I just read some interesting news on why Hannity isn't a rising star over there any more. I guess he was using his position to very openly not only get personally involved in politics, but was enriching himself behind faux's back doing so. So when the ethics violations hit, Murdoch and company realized that they were looking bad and facing charges from the FCC, and that they hadn't got a dime in the process. There are some things they just won't tolerate, and being cut out of the profits is one of them!

So there's hope for us yet, at least as long as Jon Stewart has viewers, and even though they do it in secret, I've discovered that there are nests of obama sympathizers even here...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on May 14, 2010, 10:36:04 AM
I mean, Rupert Murdoch isn't even American,

He's a naturalized citizen of the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch#Acquiring_American_Citizenship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch#Acquiring_American_Citizenship)
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In 1985 Murdoch became a United States citizen to satisfy legislation that only United States citizens could own American television stations. This also resulted in Murdoch losing his Australian citizenship


Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on May 14, 2010, 03:56:20 PM
I mean, Rupert Murdoch isn't even American,

He's a naturalized citizen of the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch#Acquiring_American_Citizenship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch#Acquiring_American_Citizenship)
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In 1985 Murdoch became a United States citizen to satisfy legislation that only United States citizens could own American television stations. This also resulted in Murdoch losing his Australian citizenship




Then there's no hope---we're doomed!  :shrug
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on May 14, 2010, 03:59:59 PM


Then there's no hope---we're doomed!  :shrug

Ignoring GB is easy if you cancel your Cable!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on May 15, 2010, 12:16:18 PM


Then there's no hope---we're doomed!  :shrug

Ignoring GB is easy if you cancel your Cable!

Actually I did, so now I don't have to watch him at home, at least. And I've actually started, if I'm at a business and they have faux blaring from a TV into the lobby or waiting room or wherever, I either ask them to change the channel or turn it off, or if it's someplace where I can take my money elsewhere, like the bank, I can just no longer do business with them and tell them why. Unfortunately, it is hard to get a dentist I can stand, so I may be stuck there.  ;)

Now if I could only get my  friends and relatives who do watch him to stop talking about him! Fortunately I watch Jon Stewart, so I at least know Beck's latest bit of insanity without having to actually watch him. Plus I already have his views pre-satirized by an expert, so I don't have to work at making fun of him.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on May 15, 2010, 01:30:41 PM
I thought he was an idiot but now I hear he talks to God so I guess he is the real thing.  Glenn is a prophet.  It would do us all good to pay attention to his words.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on May 24, 2010, 12:07:03 PM
Interesting article about Beck's ongoing war against liberal Christianity (i.e. Marxism in disguise):

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Glenn Beck's Gospel
Helping Beck Bash Social Justice

Activists responded again to Glenn Beck's criticism of social justice. This time, however, Beck had help from some evangelicals. Jerry Falwell, Jr., chancellor of Liberty University, and Peter Lillback, president of Westminster Theological Seminary, joined Beck's television program on Tuesday.

In March, Beck received national attention for his attacks on churches that promote social justice and on Sojourners president Jim Wallis.
...
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/mayweb-only/30.53.0.html

Glenn has been bringing on his own theological "experts" to tell viewers that Jesus is in fact a conservative Republican who loves businessmen: 

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...Falwell said that pastors need to be reminded that Jesus taught personal charity. He cited the parable of the talents as evidence that Jesus valued the free market and capitalism.
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"Bottom line," said Fischer, "Jesus...had capitalism in his DNA."


Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on May 24, 2010, 12:31:01 PM
Well sure He is.  How else could the 10% flow of money continue for the Lord?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on May 24, 2010, 02:53:02 PM
Hatred and bigotry have a remarkable ability to self-resurrect...

Krugman and others (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/05/ta052010.html) believe there is a correlation bewteen right wing extremism and bad economic times.  When times are bad, people tend to turn to fascists for comfort.  Weird, huh?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Whateverman on May 24, 2010, 06:27:26 PM
Hatred and bigotry have a remarkable ability to self-resurrect...

Krugman and others (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/05/ta052010.html) believe there is a correlation bewteen right wing extremism and bad economic times.  When times are bad, people tend to turn to fascists for comfort.  Weird, huh?

Weird but (sadly) not that unexpected...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Positiveaob on May 24, 2010, 06:55:38 PM
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"Bottom line," said Fischer, "Jesus...had capitalism in his DNA."

Brings up an interesting biblical fallacy.  How could Jesus have had DNA?  Where would his Y chromosome have come from?  Of course, understandable in biblical times when they had no clue what DNA was, but pretty silly now to think a man could be born with strictly his mother's DNA.  At best, he would have been a woman with Turners syndrome (google it).

Speaking of which, did he have sexual organs?  He would have known he would never need them. For hat matter, why would he not have just sort of, I don't know, appeared, fully grown on earth and done his thing, rather than going through the whole process of being born and waiting 30 years?

It never fails to amaze me that people still believe this nonsense in the 21st century.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on May 26, 2010, 08:12:20 AM
How could Jesus have had DNA?  Where would his Y chromosome have come from? 

Fundies think that God designed DNA anyway, so it's not much of a stretch for them to imagine that God divinely contributed male genetic material to Jesus:

Here's a fundie apologist who tries to explain:

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God chose to implant in Mary’s virgin ovum a Y chromosome, which He created at conception all by Himself.  In so doing God the Father bypassed whatever defective genetic weakness would have been passed on through the Adamic (male) heredity genes (i.e. – alleles). 
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When the ground was cursed because of Adam’s willful act of disobedience, the male Y chromosome was negatively impacted.  The male gene no longer held its prominence in the genetic structure and it became a meager 1/3 the size of the female X chromosome. 
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Defective DNA was the result of Adam’s transgression after he disobeyed God’s commandment not to eat of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.  God warned Adam that if he partook of the forbidden knowledge in that very “day” he would surely, “die.”  So it happened that when Adam sinned his physical body DID experience a mutation because his male mitochondria DNA structure was altered, making it impossible for him to pass his “life” genes on to his offspring thru conception.
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Like all humans, at conception, Jesus inherited the mitochondrial DNA of his mother Mary.  Unlike any other human conceived Jesus also received the male mitochondria during the insemination of Mary’s ova.  God the Father insured the male mitochondria would be stored in the HEAD of the unique sperm cell He created in Mary’s fallopian tubes.

The combination of both male and female mitochondria during conception would supply Jesus with a sense of “life” within that enhanced the connection between his human spirit and his human flesh.  Having both sets of mitochondrial DNA made Jesus a complete human being, not lacking anything the first Adam had before he sinned.
...
http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/QA_DNA.htm

It's easy to come up with explanations when you're just making sh*t up.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on May 26, 2010, 11:02:56 AM
The lengths to which they'll go to keep their dream alive... I wonder who thought up that whole DNA explanation? Did God put the information in his head? Did his mother drop him on his head? That's a more likely explanation. I know some fundies, though, and they come up with the weirdest shit to 'scientifically explain' the crap in the bible. On the jesus thing, though, I thought I read somewhere that you could clone a woman and make either a male or female clone. Or maybe it was if you cloned a man, you could still only make women, which wouldn't explain anything. Maybe jesus really wasn't a man at all, but a transgender and had female genitalia. After all, to the best of our knowledge, nobody ever saw him undressed and he didn't do the nasty with anybody. That would be a great rumor to get going in a fundie church, anyway!  ;)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Positiveaob on May 26, 2010, 05:57:20 PM
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God chose to implant in Mary’s virgin ovum a Y chromosome, which He created at conception all by Himself.  In so doing God the Father bypassed whatever defective genetic weakness would have been passed on through the Adamic (male) heredity genes (i.e. – alleles). 
...http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/QA_DNA.htm

Holy crap that website is hilarious!  Your excerpt doesnt even do it full justice.  What a mind-blowingly cockamamie explanation about DNA, mitochondria, and Jesus.  And I love the final line:

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Always be ready to give a logical defense to anyone who asks you to account for the hope that is in you, but do so courteously & respectfully.  1 Peter 3:15
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: PingTheServer on May 29, 2010, 10:48:23 PM

How can someone like this seriously have his own tv show let alone millions of followers who watch him religiously!? He's at it again with his stupidity but at least there's one church that reconizes this.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/index.html?hpt=C1
Sometimes I wonder if he actually believes anything he says, or if he thinks it out beforehand at all.  Part of me thinks that he says most of what he does for sensationalism and ratings.  Nobody can be that ignorant and illogical.  What is scary is that he has an audience.

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on May 30, 2010, 12:48:15 PM

How can someone like this seriously have his own tv show let alone millions of followers who watch him religiously!? He's at it again with his stupidity but at least there's one church that reconizes this.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/index.html?hpt=C1
Sometimes I wonder if he actually believes anything he says, or if he thinks it out beforehand at all.  Part of me thinks that he says most of what he does for sensationalism and ratings.  Nobody can be that ignorant and illogical.  What is scary is that he has an audience.



He admits openly that he does it for the ratings and money, and that he has contempt for his followers. I'll find the link to the interview as soon as I have a minute. But you're right, it's his audience that is truly scary.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on June 23, 2010, 12:01:21 PM
Beck has been bringing on evangelical "scholars" recently to push revisionist history about America being founded as a Christian nation.

Here's a good example of the lies they spread and how they fall apart under examination:

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No, Mr. Beck, Jefferson Did Not Date His Documents "In the Year of Our Lord Christ"
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/6/23/878589/-No,-Mr.-Beck,-Jefferson-Did-Not-Date-His-Documents-In-the-Year-of-Our-Lord-Christ-

Here are similar debunkings of two earlier claims made on Beck's show:

   
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No, Mr. Beck, Congress Did Not Print a Bible for the Use of Schools
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/no-mr-beck-congress-did-n_b_598698.html

No, Mr. Beck, John Adams Did Not Think Governments Must Be Administered by the Holy Ghost
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/no-mr-beck-john-adams-did_b_608570.html



Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on July 29, 2010, 08:46:11 AM
Here's a great graphic which explains the workings of the "Goldline" scam Beck pushes on his viewers:

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Fool's Gold: Inside the Glenn Beck Goldline Scheme
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/07/glenn-beck-goldline/

Click here for large version:

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/GoldlineGlennBeck4.jpg



Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on July 29, 2010, 02:40:01 PM
It does not matter what proof you put up...true Beck believers will follow him to the ends of the Earth, get scammed, and love it.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 07, 2010, 08:38:02 AM
Glenn has now realized that the roots of Obama's ideas go further back than Karl Marx -- in fact, they go all the way back to Satan!

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Glenn Beck's final swan dive off the deep end: President Obama reminds him of Lucifer

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-becks-final-swan-dive-deep-end
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on August 07, 2010, 09:55:57 AM
What insight this man has.  Why has the mainstreamed media not picked up on this connection?  Thank God for Glenn Beck and his fight to save us from this evil plot against everything this country stands for.  I pray for that man every day.  My first child will be named Glenn or Glennda.  Get off the couch and stop watching American Idle.  It is time to stand up and be counted.  Im making my way to Washington DC 8-28-10 to support this great man in his quest to become richer. ;)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: kebib on August 08, 2010, 09:11:33 PM
Glen Beck Imaginary (Godlike) Facts:
1) Glen Beck is God!
2) Glen Beck taught brazilian jiu jitsu to Chuck Norris !
3) Glen Beck is genghis khan
4)Glen Beck is Mel Gibson!
5)Glen Beck is Mr. Ol' Jim Crow :)
--Kebib :
 "An Atheist Still,Thank God ! "
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: sammylama on August 08, 2010, 09:29:39 PM
Glenn has now realized that the roots of Obama's ideas go further back than Karl Marx -- in fact, they go all the way back to Satan!

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Glenn Beck's final swan dive off the deep end: President Obama reminds him of Lucifer

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-becks-final-swan-dive-deep-end

Beck is just a Grade A prick.  No talent.  Even Fox should be ashamed of this clown.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Emily on August 08, 2010, 10:36:33 PM
Glenn Beck deserves a sledge hammer to the face.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Bereft_of_Faith on August 09, 2010, 05:56:16 AM
The USA might be better off if Glen Beck, Rush et al would just drop off the face of the earth, however, I fear that there are more manipulative, hate-mongering liars just waiting to take their places.

When will this country stand up in unison and call them out for what they are?  When will the bigots and fearful that support them be decried?  The media tolerates them, even encourages them in their behavior, without censure.  How did we come to this time when we are powerless to stop fools from ruining the nation?

or in other words... 'hey, Glen Beck?  Don't get me started on Glen Beck!'
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 10, 2010, 05:09:02 PM
I heard on the news the other day that Glen Beck has ties to http://stormfront.org -- so, he's not only an idiot but a racist one at that.

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 10, 2010, 05:51:49 PM
^ What kind of ties? Much as I can't stand him, I find that charge hard to believe. If he's guilty of racism, it's much more subtle. You could accuse him of hyping up stories involving black people in an inflammatory way (the New Black Panthers, Van Jones, ACORN, etc.) but I can't imagine him cozying up to straight-out white supremacists like the people at Stormfront.

He makes a great point of denouncing racism on his show, I think he's sincere in believing that he's not racist.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 12, 2010, 04:45:44 PM
^ What kind of ties? Much as I can't stand him, I find that charge hard to believe. If he's guilty of racism, it's much more subtle.

I saw it I believe on the Rachel Maddow show, I think, I wouldn't quote me on that.  But she (or someone else) was pointing out a website or person that Glen Beck had ties to who was a member of http://stormfront.org and that he advocated what he stood for, and his rhetoric, and all that.

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He makes a great point of denouncing racism on his show, I think he's sincere in believing that he's not racist.

What he believes is irrelevant to how he portrays himself to everyone else.  Even if I didn't see/hear that on the news, I still contend he's a racist.  This is what racist's today do, at least the "smart" ones.  They always make it seem as if they aren't the racist but everyone else is, especially those they are adamently against.

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on August 18, 2010, 08:08:49 PM
Call me nuts but today I caught part of Glen Beck's program.  He was making the case that America had an advanced civilization in Ohio and elsewhere in America long ago with large complex cities.  Then he tied it to Old Hebrew writings found in earth mounds in the America.  Without saying it he was trying to make the point that this might be the lost tribe of Israel like the Mormons like to say.  Being a Mormon himself I was wondering when he would start pushing Mormon beliefs.  I guess it is here even if he does it kind  of under the table.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: DVZ3 on August 19, 2010, 04:29:04 PM

^^^ Is he really a mormon???  My step dad always refferred to him as a christian....
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 19, 2010, 04:40:54 PM

^^^ Is he really a mormon???  My step dad always refferred to him as a christian....

A Mormon is a Christian.

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: DVZ3 on August 19, 2010, 04:42:30 PM

^^^ Maybe so, but certainly a different subset of christianity right?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 19, 2010, 04:46:56 PM

^^^ Maybe so, but certainly a different subset of christianity right?

There are over 18,000 sects of Christianity.  Mormonism is one of them.  Catholics are one. Baptists are one.  etc., etc., etc.,  And most to all of them say that they are the only "real" and "true" Christians all the rest are fake.

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: DVZ3 on August 19, 2010, 05:10:11 PM

^^^ Ok, I guess I just showed my ignorance on Mormom's... Thanks for the clarification Nam.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 20, 2010, 08:36:49 AM
^ No, you raised a valid point. Most Protestants, Catholics and Orthodox at least recognize each others' "Christianity," even if they think their own version is the most "correct." (There are some exceptions, like the fundies who think the Catholic church is Satanic, but they're pretty much on the fringes.)

Mormons are quite different, because they alone among the major sects have added a whole new set of scriptures which they place on an equal footing (or actually a superior footing) to the Bible. I would still consider them Christian, since that's how they see themselves, but their new scriptures and elevation of Joseph Smith to the status of prophet - and source of divine revelation - does set them apart in the eyes of most other Christians.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on August 20, 2010, 10:33:07 AM
I don't consider them to be xians.  If I did, I would have to consider xians to be jews and muslims to be xians or jews also.  Mormons and xians use the holy books of the root religions from which they originated, but they added a lot to it.  In my opinion, that makes them a distinct and categorically different cult.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 20, 2010, 10:45:01 AM
^ That's a good point. They're almost like Christians are to Jews. The Book of Mormon (and other scriptures) are not simply extra books tacked on to the Bible. Mormons actually go back and interpret the Bible in light of Joseph Smith's newer scriptures, which leads them to different (and unique) doctrinal views.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 20, 2010, 10:54:18 AM
By the way, I saw a few minutes of Glenn's show on the American Indians and their alleged possible connections to ancient Egyptians and Phoenicians. He never mentioned Mormonism, but I wonder if he was subtly trying to advance Mormon pseudo-archeology which teaches that a Lost Tribe of Israel settled in America?

As usual, he wasn't very clear about where he was going with this, he just babbled about a "hidden" history that has been "erased" and suppressed (by "mainstream" scholars) and admitted several times that he didn't know what it all meant...

Maybe he explained more later in the show, I couldn't sit through the whole thing...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on August 20, 2010, 11:00:06 AM
He never mentioned Mormonism, but I wonder if he was subtly trying to advance Mormon pseudo-archeology which teaches that a Lost Tribe of Israel settled in America?

I'd put money on it that he was.  I am surprised the real xians, who are accutely sensitive to that sort of subtle brainwashing by heretics, have not had a shit hemorrhage over it yet.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 20, 2010, 11:13:47 AM
Well, to be fair, if it was there it was very well camouflaged. He never mentioned Mormons or their beliefs about Lost Israelites, it probably wouldn't have occurred to me if I didn't already know he was a Mormon. And he quickly brought out a Christian scholar who went off on a tangent about the "divine Providence" of the Pilgrims meeting an English-speaking Indian who helped them out (that's when I quit watching)...it was all slightly bizarre.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on August 20, 2010, 11:44:41 AM
But that suits his purpose, doesn't it?  He's planting subtle seeds that native americans are related to middle easterns - a lost tribe of jews - which is absolutely false.  But if enough people hear it enough times and forget by whom it was planted, then find the idea plausible, thus the book of mormon plausible. He is a devious mother fucker.

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on August 21, 2010, 03:57:51 AM
He never mentioned Mormonism, but I wonder if he was subtly trying to advance Mormon pseudo-archeology which teaches that a Lost Tribe of Israel settled in America?

I'd put money on it that he was.  I am surprised the real xians, who are accutely sensitive to that sort of subtle brainwashing by heretics, have not had a shit hemorrhage over it yet.

I don't think that the christians who watch beck are that subtle. And a lot of them---IMO---are so entranced by the beckster that if he says it, it must be A-OK. I definitely think that from the tiny bit of him I've been able to tolerate, he's a true-blue mormon. I lived in a heavily mormon area for a while and while there are good things to say about them, like they're always polite and such, one of their tenets seems to be to not be upfront about who they are when talking to outsiders. Kind of like amway, they sell you on what great ideas they have and at the last minute wham! you get hit with the real truth. Even their commercials refer to the book of mormon as 'another story of the life of christ.'
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 21, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
(There are some exceptions, like the fundies who think the Catholic church is Satanic, but they're pretty much on the fringes.)

Southern Baptist is the largest (or at least in the top 2) Protestant sect in North America, and they teach that the Catholic church isn't really "Christian", and that all who are Catholic are going to Hell for worshipping Satan. (the more conservative Churches don't exactly mention "Satan" but they do elude)

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Mormons are quite different, because they alone among the major sects have added a whole new set of scriptures which they place on an equal footing (or actually a superior footing) to the Bible. I would still consider them Christian, since that's how they see themselves, but their new scriptures and elevation of Joseph Smith to the status of prophet - and source of divine revelation - does set them apart in the eyes of most other Christians.

They say this about Jehovah Witness' too; of course, they could be right, on that ground but then again....

;)

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 21, 2010, 01:52:26 PM
Well, to be fair, if it was there it was very well camouflaged. He never mentioned Mormons or their beliefs about Lost Israelites, it probably wouldn't have occurred to me if I didn't already know he was a Mormon. And he quickly brought out a Christian scholar who went off on a tangent about the "divine Providence" of the Pilgrims meeting an English-speaking Indian who helped them out (that's when I quit watching)...it was all slightly bizarre.

I wonder if all these people who follow Beck, if they realize he's a Mormon, and do they recognize the guy they're following as even being a Christian?  Or are all his followers Mormon's?

;)

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on August 21, 2010, 06:46:28 PM
I don't think that the christians who watch beck are that subtle.

I did not say they were subtle.  I said they were aware of subtle heresy.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on August 21, 2010, 07:59:08 PM
I don't think that the christians who watch beck are that subtle.

I did not say they were subtle.  I said they were aware of subtle heresy.

Subtle wasn't really the word I meant to use but it didn't seem quite what I meant to say 'not that bright' but that's probably closer to correct. As far as whether many of his followers being mormon, that's actually a good question. Mormons are told straight up what they are to believe, think, and vote by their religious leaders, kind of like muslims. When I lived there a woman came out in favor of the Equal Rights Amendement that was being debated at the time, and she was publicly excommunicated because the church was against it, also because she defied her husband on the matter, which is again much like islam. And when you figure that their leaders are always white men over 80 and that homophobia is a basic tenet of their religion, you can guess which way they're expected to vote.

That doesn't answer the question about the becKKKster, but the few mormons I do still stay in contact with think he's the second coming, so they probably mostly love him. Since mormons and other christians don't really like one another for the most part---except on gays and abortion---I would expect some friction between the two groups. Of course, when your whole reason for being is to be AGAINST someone else, like Obama, unless you win that fight it doesn't matter. If they do, and as a group get some political power, then I'd expect some serious shredding to be done as to who was in charge and who was the devil-spawn. Much of this is JMO, but I can provide a link to the excommunicated lady if necessary and maybe some to mormon doctrine. Mormon doctrine isn't really public except on gay issues, but they also don't really hide it, so it's out there.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on August 22, 2010, 08:21:32 AM
Beck's injection of mormon did not escape the Rude Pundit (http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2010/08/why-glenn-beck-ought-to-be-repeatedly.html)  As per his name, rude language ahead...

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Last night, on Glenn Beck Licks His Own Taint  on Fox "news," our pudgy host with the tin foil-colored hair was on the verge of going the full Mormon. In the course of another of his incoherent rambles, the kinds of streams of consciousness that'd make James Joyce say, "Whoa, that shit doesn't makes sense," stately, plump Glenn Beck promised that he was a-gonna rock our worlds about the history of the United States. Why? Because "Divine Providence happened here. This is what was happening in America between 1730 and 1840." Which is damn convenient, since Joseph Smith wrote and published the Book of Mormon in that time.

Beck mixed in something about how Indians were thought of as savages, Manifest Destiny, Enlightenment thought, and a bunch of names. One might think of it as a yummy gumbo of information if the stock wasn't made of crazy juice spiked with bullshit. Eventually, he got around to defending Indians by saying that he's going to show us "the history that has been erased by science and the Smithsonian." Aw, sweet Brigham Young's testicle hair, finally a conspiracy theory to pin this shit on.

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Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on August 22, 2010, 10:40:58 AM
I wonder how many people will show up to this event of his on 8-28-10?  Is FOX pumping people to this event or Teabaggers? Maybe both?  Does he expect to rival MLKs numbers or the numbers Obama got when sworn in?  How is all this going to spin.  You know it will have to have some kind of spin otherwise it would not have played out.

Also, on a side note...Is Beck related to Joseph McCarthy?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 22, 2010, 07:17:55 PM
Southern Baptist is the largest (or at least in the top 2) Protestant sect in North America, and they teach that the Catholic church isn't really "Christian", and that all who are Catholic are going to Hell for worshipping Satan. (the more conservative Churches don't exactly mention "Satan" but they do elude)

Some of them may think that way, but they don't say that much officially. On their official mission website, they list Roman Catholicism as a denomination of Christianity, and acknowledge many shared core doctrines. (They object to certain Catholic teachings, such as the nature of sin, the role of Mary, the use of church tradition alongside the bible, etc.)

http://www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.2951385/k.965A/Roman_Catholicism_Overview.htm

Mormons, on the other hand, are listed under "New Religions and Cults" that "disagree with the traditional Christian understanding of God and Jesus Christ."

So while Catholics are seen as Christians with some erroneous beliefs (which might be serious enough to send them to hell), they don't even acknowledge Mormons to be Christian at all.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 22, 2010, 07:31:23 PM
Beck's injection of mormon did not escape the Rude Pundit (http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2010/08/why-glenn-beck-ought-to-be-repeatedly.html)  As per his name, rude language ahead...

Somebody at Gawker.com picked up on it, too:

Glenn Beck Lets the Mormon Out While Talking About Native Americans (http://gawker.com/5617069/glenn-beck-lets-the-mormon-out-while-talking-about-native-americans)

So I guess we're not crazy.

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 23, 2010, 12:15:07 PM
Alan Keyes thinks that Glenn Beck is not conservative or Christian enough, mainly because he's not obsessed with stopping the gays. (Also, he's not a birther.)

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Glenn Beck's hollow piety
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=193445
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on August 23, 2010, 12:27:48 PM
I think Keyes is clinically insane.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on August 24, 2010, 10:49:33 AM
the folks at Rapture Ready are funny.

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?145332-Glenn-Beck-pushing-his-Mormon-agenda&p=1903502#post1903502 (http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?145332-Glenn-Beck-pushing-his-Mormon-agenda&p=1903502#post1903502)
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Glen is intelligent..
But under a strong delusion with regards to who God is.. Satan has blinded him to the beliefs of Mormonism. You know its supernatural when you have someone so intelligent to believe the nonsense of this cult.

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post #13 is a keeper too:
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I'm pretty much done with Glenn Beck. He isn't an Christian, he's a Mormon. Big difference. His Messiah is the brother of Lucifer. Ridiculous. That counterfeit Christ person couldn't save himself, let alone anyone else.

And I've grown tired of hearing him talking about how we need to turn back to God, then continually refuse to stand for moral issues, particularly gay marriage. If that doesn't matter to him, then I think it's pretty clear he's either disingenuous in his beliefs, has not a clue about the True and Living God, or he just says things he thinks his radio and TV audiences want to hear for ratings.

Actually, it's getting a little offensive to me, particularly now when he's broadcasting a "morning prayer" for Insiders at his website. He's not even praying to the True God, but praying to a figment of Joseph Smith's demented imagination! Elohim the God-Man. And shame on the other so-called Christians participating with him! That's no better than praying with muslims, hindus, or buddhists to their "god(s)".

2Cr 6:14 -- Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

God bless.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 24, 2010, 04:41:48 PM
Some of them may think that way, but they don't say that much officially. On their official mission website, they list Roman Catholicism as a denomination of Christianity, and acknowledge many shared core doctrines. (They object to certain Catholic teachings, such as the nature of sin, the role of Mary, the use of church tradition alongside the bible, etc.)

http://www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.2951385/k.965A/Roman_Catholicism_Overview.htm

What I know is from being a Southern Baptist, and an Aunt of mine who actually works for them.  What they say 'officially' is hogwash to what they actually say 'unofficially'.

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So while Catholics are seen as Christians with some erroneous beliefs (which might be serious enough to send them to hell), they don't even acknowledge Mormons to be Christian at all.

Mormon's weren't actually mentioned at all when I was a Southern Baptist; perhaps 'cause they don't see them as a threat, or something; which they should.

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 24, 2010, 04:43:19 PM
the folks at Rapture Ready are funny.

I love Rapture Ready -- they are a fun lot.

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on August 24, 2010, 08:38:07 PM
Beck's injection of mormon did not escape the Rude Pundit (http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2010/08/why-glenn-beck-ought-to-be-repeatedly.html)  As per his name, rude language ahead...

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Last night, on Glenn Beck Licks His Own Taint  on Fox "news," our pudgy host with the tin foil-colored hair was on the verge of going the full Mormon. In the course of another of his incoherent rambles, the kinds of streams of consciousness that'd make James Joyce say, "Whoa, that shit doesn't makes sense," stately, plump Glenn Beck promised that he was a-gonna rock our worlds about the history of the United States. Why? Because "Divine Providence happened here. This is what was happening in America between 1730 and 1840." Which is damn convenient, since Joseph Smith wrote and published the Book of Mormon in that time.

Beck mixed in something about how Indians were thought of as savages, Manifest Destiny, Enlightenment thought, and a bunch of names. One might think of it as a yummy gumbo of information if the stock wasn't made of crazy juice spiked with bullshit. Eventually, he got around to defending Indians by saying that he's going to show us "the history that has been erased by science and the Smithsonian." Aw, sweet Brigham Young's testicle hair, finally a conspiracy theory to pin this shit on.

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I absolutely ADORE the Rude Pundit! He's my hero, well, after Jon Stewart anyway!

Regarding the beckkkster's event in DC,his people have issued a guide to keep his followers safe when they get to the evil city...The article's actually pretty funny.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/Tea-Partiers-Warning-Filled-Guide-to-DC-1892

This text is on the map that shows them what part of DC is safe for them. It ain't much! And I really feel left out that they didn't include atheists in their list of dangerous denizens of DC. Their text, my bolding:

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SAFE
Last Updated by Laura yesterday
You can travel safely in this area without encountering immigrants, Africans, homosexuals, automatic weapons, or homosexuals with automatic weapons. If you avoid the Green and Yellow Metro lines. And buses. And coffee shops. And restaurants. And taxis.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on August 24, 2010, 09:45:54 PM
Didn't they do DNA sampling on the Indians some time back and conclude that they were not related to any missing tribe of Israel?  That is when the Mormons kind of backed off.  I guess they have had time to work around that now or call it some kind of conspiracy.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 26, 2010, 12:36:46 PM
Uh oh...a few of Glenn's Christian supporters are starting to catch on...This one takes him to task for pushing Mormon "pseudo-history" about the Indians:

http://www.emailbrigade.com/98.html

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on August 26, 2010, 01:23:03 PM
I should start a poll.  How many think Glenn will wear his magic Mormon underwear when he gives his speech on Sat. in DC?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on August 26, 2010, 03:30:23 PM
I'm sure he will wear the magic underwear.  God talks through them to him, you know. Those silly mormons with their talking clothes ;D

It's so sad that anyone would believe this horrible person about *anything*.  He lies and lies, claiming to be the "inheritor of civil rights" and then turns around and tries to claim he just didn't realize what date he had chosen to be at the Lincoln Memorial.  I guess once you start with claimign myths are real, outright lies aren't too far behind.  

EDIT: an interesting op-ed by MLK's son: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/24/AR2010082405003.html
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 26, 2010, 04:37:29 PM
Man, I was listening on the news yesterday about how the Left is disappointed in the Right on their views of the Community Center/Mosque near ground zero, yet find it disheartening that Glenn Beck wishes to hold his rally where Martin Luther King, Jr. held his most (or one of his most) famous speech, and how that's hallow ground, and all.

Oh, I smell hypocrisy!

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on August 27, 2010, 08:18:27 AM
although I can see your point, I do think that there is some difference between *at* a special place and 2 blocks away from a special place. 
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 27, 2010, 08:25:45 AM
Also, I don't know if anyone's really trying to ban Beck's rally, they're just making fun of it...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Max Kodan on August 27, 2010, 10:45:55 AM
Man, I was listening on the news yesterday about how the Left is disappointed in the Right on their views of the Community Center/Mosque near ground zero, yet find it disheartening that Glenn Beck wishes to hold his rally where Martin Luther King, Jr. held his most (or one of his most) famous speech, and how that's hallow ground, and all.

Oh, I smell hypocrisy!

-Nam


Hmm, that's not really comparing apples to oranges, but maybe comparing Granny Smiths to Red Delicious..es?  Anyway, nobody is saying that people can't be uncomfortable or disappointed that an Islamic community center there.  That's freedom of religion, just like Beck's speech is freedom of...well...speech.  The difference is Beck's attitude through this whole thing.  The people trying to build a community center just want a place to have a community center, while Glenn Beck is actively striving to be the next Martin Luther King Jr.  Hell, he's been talking about how he's going to take back the civil rights movement, and how "we" are the ones that started it.  He didn't mention, when he first announced this speech, that it had anything to do with MLK.  In fact, he came out later and said "Someone told me that that exact day and that exact place is where Martin Luther King Jr. held his "I Have a Dream" speech.  I was flabbergasted, I had no idea!  What a surprise!  But you know, I AM a lot like Martin Luther King.  I have a dream too." 

You can't help but facepalm at the absurdity of this man.  I mean, have you watched him recently?  He's saying that if he's killed, we'll know who did it.  And by that he meant, apparently, that he blames EVERYONE who is progressive or liberal for his "assassination".  In fact, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he faked his own death at this thing.  Hell, I'd only be half surprised if he hired someone to kill him, just to incite his followers to violence against the 'progressives'.  The man is insane, and his hubris in comparing himself to MLK Jr. is what people dislike.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gimpy on August 27, 2010, 02:04:43 PM
There is a significant difference in building a community center that has the legitimate goal of improving a community, working towards interfaith communion, and providing nothing more or less than a Jewish Community Center or YMCA/YWCA for an area on private property that one owns and trying to gin up false patriotism and claiming that somehow HIS group of people (mostly white?) need to RECLAIM the civil rights movement . . . and staging the "event" on public land on the very day of the most significant speech (a legitimate turning point in the REAL civil rights movement) in front of a public representation of civil rights, Abraham Lincoln's statue.

So it's most certainly NOT even Granny Smiths to Red Delicious, it truly is apples to oranges.

That Beck had to implore his followers NOT to bring signs (infringing on their speech rights?!) is very telling. He knows EXACTLY the sorts of signs that would show up.

In fact, I would not be surprised if many of the bigots that are protesting the Manhattan community center show up to Beck's gathering to "reclaim THEIR civil rights," with absolutely no sense of cognitive dissonance whatsoever.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on August 27, 2010, 02:46:26 PM
That Beck had to implore his followers NOT to bring signs (infringing on their speech rights?!) is very telling. He knows EXACTLY the sorts of signs that would show up.
Hmmm, didn't know about that.  As you say, how telling. 
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Max Kodan on August 27, 2010, 02:58:30 PM
That Beck had to implore his followers NOT to bring signs (infringing on their speech rights?!) is very telling. He knows EXACTLY the sorts of signs that would show up.
Hmmm, didn't know about that.  As you say, how telling. 


By the by, anyone know what time this is supposed to happen?  (East Coast, same time zone as D.C)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gimpy on August 27, 2010, 03:12:13 PM
According to The Christian Science Monitor (in an article discussing whether this is a political rally or not), it states, "Information packets provided to those who have registered to attend say flatly not to publicly display embarrassing statements. . ." (though wonder how they determine that since most of the teabaggers I know think it's a-okay to show Obama with a bone in his nose)

They are also told to leave their firearms at home. . . wonder how well this went over with them.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Max Kodan on August 27, 2010, 03:18:57 PM
According to The Christian Science Monitor (in an article discussing whether this is a political rally or not), it states, "Information packets provided to those who have registered to attend say flatly not to publicly display embarrassing statements. . ." (though wonder how they determine that since most of the teabaggers I know think it's a-okay to show Obama with a bone in his nose)

They are also told to leave their firearms at home. . . wonder how well this went over with them.

They don't want any embarrassing statements, but...they're letting...Glenn Beck...THE Glenn Beck...speak.  On a microphone.  On national television.  Anyone sense an epic fail in the future?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on August 27, 2010, 03:36:02 PM
By the by, anyone know what time this is supposed to happen?  (East Coast, same time zone as D.C)

from Beck's website: 10 a.m. – 1 p.m. on Saturday, August 28, 2010.

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 27, 2010, 04:10:07 PM
In case there's any change, just turn on Fox News, I'm sure they're running constant up-to-the-minute promos. I'm sure they'll have live coverage all day tomorrow, too. It's the Teabaggers' Woodstock!

Watch for the inflated crowd counts, sure to be five or ten times whatever the authorities estimate.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on August 27, 2010, 09:49:30 PM
This event would be a perfect time for the 2nd comming or the rapture.  They are all in one place and Beck is their new Moses..."Let my people go". :D
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: pingnak on August 28, 2010, 12:16:02 AM
Remember that 'to serve man' Twilight Zone episode?  The aliens could've just come down wearing wings and projected halos, and the Jesus freaks would rush right into the cattle hold.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 28, 2010, 08:29:24 AM
Apparently, the more Glenn talks about God, instead of just hunting for Communists and bashing Obama, the more it makes some of his fundie followers uneasy:

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Some evangelicals on defensive over partnering with Glenn Beck, a Mormon
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/27/some-evangelicals-on-defensive-over-partnering-with-glenn-beck-a-mormon/

Anti-Beck quotes:

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"The Apostle Paul warns Christians against uniting with unbelievers in spiritual endeavors," Howse wrote. "While I applaud and agree with many of Glenn Beck's conservative and constitutional views, that does not give me or any other Bible-believing Christian justification to compromise Biblical truth by spiritually joining Beck."
...
 "Beck asks Christian leaders to 'put differences aside,' but Beck himself daily peppers his broadcasts with Mormon distinctives because he cannot keep his beliefs to himself."

The pro-Beck side:

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"Glenn Beck is being used by God - mightily," ... wrote Jim Garlow, an influential California pastor..."Glenn is not perfect... But his expose on America's sins is stellar."

"I have interviewed persons who have talked specifically with Glenn about his personal salvation - persons extremely well known in Christianity - and they have affirmed (using language evangelicals understand), 'Glenn is saved,' "
...
"Christians concerned about Glenn's faith should judge the tree by its fruits, not its labels,"...wrote David Barton, an influential evangelical activist who is joining Beck's rally...

I bet the pro-Beck side will carry the day, since Beck has the money, TV ratings and influence going for him...


Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on August 28, 2010, 08:39:02 AM
I wonder if the process has started to make him a saint.  I think you need two or 3 miracles in his name or as a result of something he did.  I think he already has one.  The fact that so many people cannot see him as the fraud that he is is a miracle in itself. ;)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 28, 2010, 08:49:21 AM
^ Mormons and fundies don't have saints, do they? (And the Catholics are not desperate enough to start canonizing Mormon TV hosts, at least not yet.)

But I bet it's just a matter of time before somebody calls him a prophet, or claims they were healed by him through the TV...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 28, 2010, 09:56:55 AM
Watch for the inflated crowd counts, sure to be five or ten times whatever the authorities estimate.


I remember when FOX did that the last time.  They stated there were thousands of people at a rally when there were actually only a few hundred, they used footage from another rally that actually had thousands of people and stated it was for the rally in question[1].

-Nam
 1. at the time
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on August 28, 2010, 10:00:35 AM
Watch for the inflated crowd counts, sure to be five or ten times whatever the authorities estimate.


I remember when FOX did that the last time.  They stated there were thousands of people at a rally when there were actually only a few hundred, they used footage from another rally that actually had thousands of people and stated it was for the rally in question[1].

-Nam

 1. at the time

Funny, my Dad specifically pointed out reference photos of crowds gathered in the Mall in the past, so that I would not be "fooled" by any mainstream media lies about the true attendance.  Yes, he's a Becker...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Max Kodan on August 28, 2010, 10:04:38 AM
Watch for the inflated crowd counts, sure to be five or ten times whatever the authorities estimate.


I remember when FOX did that the last time.  They stated there were thousands of people at a rally when there were actually only a few hundred, they used footage from another rally that actually had thousands of people and stated it was for the rally in question[1].

-Nam

 1. at the time

Oh, I remember that, good times...Jon Stewart pointed that out, didn't he?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 28, 2010, 10:13:48 AM
Oh, I remember that, good times...Jon Stewart pointed that out, didn't he?

I think everyone but FOX pointed that out.

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 28, 2010, 11:25:12 AM
I remember Beck claiming that the big tea party rally last year had 1 to 2 million marchers, something like TEN OR TWENTY TIMES everybody else's estimates, and then he blamed the mainstream media for deliberately under-counting the crowd...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 28, 2010, 11:30:04 AM
At the moment, Fox is only reporting "thousands" at the rally, I'm sure that will upgraded to gazillions by the time of Beck's show on Monday.

Fox also just reported that Beck has asked attendees NOT to hold signs, because "this is not a political rally." LOL, he's obviously afraid of being embarrassed by his loony supporters...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 28, 2010, 11:31:22 AM
I remember Beck claiming that the big tea party rally last year had 1 to 2 million marchers, something like TEN OR TWENTY TIMES everybody else's estimates, and then he blamed the mainstream media for deliberately under-counting the crowd...

I just saw at Washington Post's website, that, in the artice it says, "There are thousands of people at the rally..." and then it shows a picture of just a few people on the lawn, and what looks like a couple of hundred at the memorial.

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 28, 2010, 11:33:16 AM
Fox also just reported that Beck has asked attendees NOT to hold signs, because "this is not a political rally." LOL, he's obviously afraid of being embarrassed by his loony supporters...

I forget what article I read it from (either the one I just mentioned, or another one) but I read that a person at the rally stated that she loves Beck because he teaches her the "real" history of America etc., and it's not what she learned in school when she was a kid.  Apparently what she learned were all lies, and what Beck says is all truth.  Idiots.

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: DVZ3 on August 28, 2010, 11:51:36 AM

You know, I didn't want to believe the 2012 "End of the World" conspiracy theory but.....  I guess the real question is...would it be Palin/Beck 2012 or Beck/Palin 2012....

Maybe 2012 really will be the beginning of the end.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 28, 2010, 12:46:53 PM
...would it be Palin/Beck 2012 or Beck/Palin 2012....

Either way, it would be a Dream Ticket...for Democrats, and anyone who likes the absurd. Oh, please let them do it!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 28, 2010, 02:17:19 PM
I couldn't bear to watch the thing live, but you can read the Rude Pundit's twitter coverage here:

http://twitter.com/rudepundit

Apparently Glenn repeated crap from his show, invoked God and Jesus a lot, cried like a baby, and talked about raising money. Sounds like he was indistinguishable from any low-rent televangelist.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on August 28, 2010, 05:29:19 PM
Well, all I can say is that in the morning when we all get up the world will be a different place.  Thank you Glenn for changing the world.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 28, 2010, 07:24:19 PM
CBS News came up with this figure based on aerial photographs:

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Glenn Beck Rally Attracts Estimated 87,000
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html

I wonder what Beck's estimate will be.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: monkeymind on August 28, 2010, 07:30:06 PM
ABC NBC national and local news said 'hundreds of thousands.'

Geesh! I can't get it right!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#38895358
I listened to it again. OK what was said was tens perhaps hundreds of thousands.
The local affiliate did say hundreds of thousands.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: ParkingPlaces on August 28, 2010, 09:46:47 PM
ABC NBC national and local news said 'hundreds of thousands.'

Geesh! I can't get it right!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#38895358
I listened to it again. OK what was said was tens perhaps hundreds of thousands.
The local affiliate did say hundreds of thousands.

They raised $600,000 bucks. Six bucks or so per participant. Man they really love the vets the money is supposedly going to. (After expenses, of course.)

At other tea bag rallies those folks spend more than that just on crayons.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: pingnak on August 29, 2010, 02:23:06 AM
...would it be Palin/Beck 2012 or Beck/Palin 2012....

Either way, it would be a Dream Ticket...for Democrats, and anyone who likes the absurd. Oh, please let them do it!

It's possible these are the most sane and intelligent people left in the Republican Party.

The Talibush chased all the sane people away.

Fortunately for the Republican Party, they continue to work for the 'lowest common denominator' of American society.  Fear and crassness seem to work well for them and their constituency of the brainless.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 29, 2010, 08:05:09 AM
ABC NBC national and local news said 'hundreds of thousands.'

Beck has reportedly claimed that 500,000 people were there.
Michele Bachmann put it at one million.

Conservative websites like the Drudge Report plaster these estimates on their front page. Then, to be "fair," news organizations like ABC and NBC have to report that there are estimates in the "hundreds of thousands."

Poor CBS, which actually paid an outside company to have experts study the aerial photographs, then looks like the odd man out and can be accused of "liberal bias." 

I don't know why these people even have to lie. Even if the turnout was only 80-100,000, that's still an impressive achievement for a rally that was basically the brainchild of one crackpot talk show host.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: monkeymind on August 29, 2010, 08:26:05 AM

They raised $600,000 bucks. Six bucks or so per participant. Man they really love the vets the money is supposedly going to. (After expenses, of course.)

At other tea bag rallies those folks spend more than that just on crayons.

Awesome, maybe now we can get an open air MRI at our clinic. Or a stethescope or something...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 29, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
I thought Beck said they raised $5.5 million?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: monkeymind on August 29, 2010, 10:28:40 AM
On Meet the Press a few minute ago, Brian Williams said "I've heard estimates of 200,000 and NBC reported an estimate of 500,000..." People that is.

Geesh!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on August 29, 2010, 10:35:14 AM
Yes, prepare for the head count to be THE CENTRAL topic now that it's all over.  Because head count is what matters, as opposed to the actual cause (which is barely admirable.)

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: DeeJay on August 29, 2010, 12:01:48 PM
I guess it goes without saying, but it's truly, truly frightening how many people buy into this guy's sh#t.  I think I've lost a few IQ points every time I've heard him talk.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on August 30, 2010, 02:13:14 AM
I guess it goes without saying, but it's truly, truly frightening how many people buy into this guy's sh#t.  I think I've lost a few IQ points every time I've heard him talk.

My brother is divorced and lives by himself and spends way too much time alone at home with the TV on fauxnoise. Usually it's just in the background while he's doing something else, but in the last year something has definitely happened. Either he's getting Alzheimer's or faux and beckKK really do lower IQ points just by being in the same vicinity. Also he starts spouting faux talking points and when I tell him he didn't just think all that shit up, he heard it on faux, he doesn't believe me. And I think he's telling the truth---since he isn't actively listening he doesn't know he's being brainwashed. But he is, and to a point I almost can't stand to be around him. That's a bitch since we're running a business together...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Frank on August 30, 2010, 07:47:09 PM


Fortunately for the Republican Party, they continue to work for the 'lowest common denominator' of American society.  

You mean the majority of Americans then? Those flag wavin', bible thumpin', gun totin' good ol' boys.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on August 30, 2010, 07:55:00 PM
I could not get on the site today so I figured that Glenn Beck really did transform the nation and we were in limbo as far as atheists and this site go.  Im glad to see it was just me or internet ghosts. ;)


PS - I also heard there were 6 million people there to see Beck/Palin.  More than saw Obama get sworn in.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: xphobe on August 30, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
He's telling people to abandon their churches?  And now he says that gay marriage is not an issue for him, that it "neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" (quoting Jefferson)?

Wow.  He's really made an about-face.  His ratings must really be headed for the crapper.  It's about time for him to have another on-air meltdown.   :'( :'( :'( :'(

Hey maybe this time we'll actually get to witness a full-on double rainbow psychotic break!

That would be so beautiful...


edit: sp.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nam on August 31, 2010, 09:22:41 AM
PS - I also heard there were 6 million people there to see Beck/Palin.  More than saw Obama get sworn in.

I heard the 1 million by Bachmann but not a 6 million count.

-Nam
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on August 31, 2010, 09:23:17 AM
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However, a firm hired by CBS News to estimate the crowd put attendees at between 78,000 and 96,000. The firm, AirPhotosLive.com, had three estimators go over high-resolution aerial photos of the event, and then combined the three estimates. (One of the estimators talks about the experience here.)

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2010/0830/Glenn-Beck-rally-attendance-calculating-how-many-really-showed-up

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: pingnak on August 31, 2010, 03:50:33 PM
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee206/asdjrocky/Beck-MLK_flow-chart.jpg)
Found various places on the interwebz, but I can't find the picture on the prominently displayed 'celebratethedream.org' site.

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on August 31, 2010, 05:52:05 PM
I do give Beck a little bit of credit for (mostly) keeping overt politics out of this march, as he promised. Unfortunately, he filled the gap with God-talk and Christian nationalism...

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Glenn Beck: Televangelist
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/08/glenn-beck-televangelist

I thought the Tea Party was supposed to be an anti-tax, ant-big-government movement. Are they going to let Beck turn it into a religious revival?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gimpy on August 31, 2010, 07:29:00 PM
Pingnak, that is awesome.

I will steal it, of course.
 ;D
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on September 01, 2010, 07:38:59 AM
I do give Beck a little bit of credit for (mostly) keeping overt politics out of this march, as he promised.

You are being sarcastic, right?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 01, 2010, 09:21:37 AM
You are being sarcastic, right?

No, he really did leave out the overt Obama-bashing, the smears and character assassination of people he disagrees with, and the political conspiracy theories that make up a good part of his show. He focused on his more abstract and "positive" themes, which involve lots of patriotic gibberish and God talk.

Most observers have noted that the tone of the rally was generally less angry and less full of crazy than other Tea Party events (I think banning signs helped). I'm just giving credit where it's due.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 01, 2010, 10:37:58 AM
Apparently Beck went around soliciting support from the country's leading conservative pastors before shifting into religious revival mode. Some of them are scratching their heads over it, too, though they're not going to look a gift horse in the mouth:

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Glenn Beck may be unlikely leader for conservative Christians

A few weeks before organizing a massive rally on the Mall that had the feel of a religious revival, Glenn Beck sought the blessing of some of the country's most prominent conservative Christian leaders. The Fox talk show host wanted their support as he shifted from political commentary to a more spiritual message, he told the group of about 20.

This is where God is leading me, Beck declared, according to Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention, who was there, along with Focus on the Family founder James Dobson.

Land said most in the group found Beck's faith genuine and heartfelt, although not everyone agreed to embrace him publicly.

"We walked back to the hotel after and said: 'That was extraordinary,' " Land said of his conversation with Dobson after the dinner in Manhattan. "I've never heard a cultural figure of that popularity talking that overtly about his faith. He sounded like Billy Graham."

Two days after Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally...many Americans were still trying to figure out if the commentator had just seized the mantle of the religious right.

Conservative Christian talk radio was crackling with debate about Beck's Mormonism. Religious progressives were assailing his attacks on President Obama's Christianity. Scholars of religion and politics were analyzing Beck's evangelical-like talk of being saved from drug and alcohol addiction. Some pastor-bloggers were bemoaning what they consider the conflation of celebrity, politics and spirituality.
...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/30/AR2010083005015.html

ETA:

LOL. Some Christians aren't buying it - one Baptist leader calls it "Fox News at prayer"
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Gospel not 'just Fox News at prayer': Theologian
...
Moore is "sad to see so many Christians confusing Mormon politics or American nationalism with the gospel of Jesus Christ." ...Moore twins the religious left and the religious right -- both rejecting what he calls the true gospel in favor of "crazy conspiracy." ...

 USA Today  (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2010/08/glenn-beck-fox-news-gospel/1?csp=34&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Religion-TopStories+%28News+-+Religion+-+Top+Stories%29)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on September 01, 2010, 11:23:21 AM
No, he really did leave out the overt Obama-bashing, the smears and character assassination of people he disagrees with, and the political conspiracy theories that make up a good part of his show. He focused on his more abstract and "positive" themes, which involve lots of patriotic gibberish and God talk.

1. Are the teabaggers political?  Because they and other right wing political organizations (NRA, FreedomWorks,Americans for Prosperity, etc) were involved in organizing (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=A54A9523-18FE-70B2-A871F0BE135A9AF5) the event.

2. His rally was about "reclaiming" the civil rights movement, correct?  Is civil rights a political issue? 

3. Various speakers talked about abortion, same sex marriage, prayer in school, all of which are political issues for the right.

4. Sarah Palin and a host of GOP speakers were there.  How many liberal/ progressive speakers were invited?  You cannot tell me
liberals would not be out to honor military service or first ammendment rights.

5. I do not think it entirely hinges on whether Glenn "dumbest dumbfuck in dumbfuckistan" Beck said political things.  I think the aims of the crowd and Beck are important too. And they were undeniably political. 

From Think Progress (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/28/political-rally-or-not-we-report-you-decide/)
One of his organizations was there registering voters (http://mediamatters.org/strupp/201008310033)
More at Media Matters (http://mediamatters.org/research/201008250042).

Most observers have noted that the tone of the rally was generally less angry and less full of crazy than other Tea Party events (I think banning signs helped).

He banned the signs because he is aware of the kooks he draws. The angry, crazy kooks were still there, you just had a harder time identifying them.

I'm just giving credit where it's due.

I am all for that.  I'm just not convinced it is due in this case.


One more from Think Progress (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/27/beck-martin-luther-king/) to compliment the MLK-Beck timeline. How Beck's and King's philosophies are opposites.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 01, 2010, 12:39:58 PM
^ Sure, I'm not claiming it was a-political. It was clearly a conservative-themed rally organized and attended by conservatives. But we'd have to be blind not to notice the shift in focus away from the nitty-gritty details of politics and towards more general platitudes about God and country (at least for this one day.)

I'm not sure where he's going with this, and it seems many Christians aren't, either.

But if Beck succeeds in wrapping himself up in platitudes that sound inoffensive or even positive to most Americans, it could make him much harder to fight. It's much easier to attack and discredit him when he's lobbing firebombs (like calling Obama a racist) and spreading crazy conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on September 01, 2010, 12:50:17 PM
I'm not sure where he's going with this, and it seems many Christians aren't, either.

just whipping the crazies up into a frenzy before the election.

But if Beck succeeds in wrapping himself up in platitudes that sound inoffensive or even positive to most Americans, it could make him much harder to fight. It's much easier to attack and discredit him when he's lobbing firebombs (like calling Obama a racist) and spreading crazy conspiracy theories.

Not gonna happen as long as he is a Mormon. 
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on September 01, 2010, 05:46:19 PM

But if Beck succeeds in wrapping himself up in platitudes that sound inoffensive or even positive to most Americans, it could make him much harder to fight. It's much easier to attack and discredit him when he's lobbing firebombs (like calling Obama a racist) and spreading crazy conspiracy theories.

My dad challenged me to find one instance where Glenn Beck called Obama a racist?  Do you have a source?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: HAL on September 01, 2010, 05:54:19 PM
Now Beck has his own news website - The Blaze.

Enjoy!

http://www.theblaze.com/
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 01, 2010, 06:04:27 PM
My dad challenged me to find one instance where Glenn Beck called Obama a racist?  Do you have a source?

The most famous incident was in 2009, it was widely reported at the time:

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This morning on Fox and Friends, Fox host Glenn Beck accused President Obama of being "a racist."

The group was discussing the recent Gates controversy, and Beck exclaimed that Obama has "over and over again" exposed himself as "a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture. I don't know what it is..."

When Fox's Brian Kilmeade pointed out that many people in Obama's administration are white, so "you can't say he doesn't like white people," Beck pressed on. "I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem," Beck said. "This guy is, I believe, a racist."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html

Here's the full clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZDnpPafaA

He later tried to back off from these remarks, apologizing for "the way it was phrased," after they caused a firestorm which led to advertisers pulling out of his show. But he insisted that it was "a serious question which...needs serious discussion."

There are many other instances of him saying similar things, though not as directly:


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Beck distorts Obama's comments to accuse him of "racism"

http://mediamatters.org/research/201006140061

Beck accuses Obama of aligning himself with the New Black Panther Party
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201007070019

Beck says New Black Panthers are part of Obama's "army of thugs"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201007090026

etc.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on September 01, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
Jed...thanks!

I was mistaken though, it was Beck calling Obama Hitler, or a Nazi.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 01, 2010, 06:28:05 PM
^ He won't say that directly (he's stupid, but not that stupid), but he often implies or alludes to it. He's not very subtle, either - once I remember him discussing Obama's policies while the entire screen behind him was filled with marching Nazi stormtroopers.

E.T.A.: A Washington Post reporter recently counted Nazi references in Beck's show:
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Consider these tallies from Glenn Beck's show on Fox News since Obama's inauguration: 202 mentions of Nazis or Nazism, according to transcripts, 147 mentions of Hitler, 193 mentions of fascism or fascist, and another 24 bonus mentions of Joseph Goebbels. Most of these were directed in some form at Obama -- as were the majority of the 802 mentions of socialist or socialism on Beck's nightly "report."
LINK  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/16/AR2010071602855.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)

Here's another long list of specific Nazi references:

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Beck has repeatedly compared Obama to Hitler, claimed his policies are leading America toward Nazi Germany
http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130061

Be careful, Beck fans will often try to dismiss Media Matters as a biased source, but they provide dates and quote directly from actual Fox News videos and transcripts...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on September 01, 2010, 06:44:31 PM

But if Beck succeeds in wrapping himself up in platitudes that sound inoffensive or even positive to most Americans, it could make him much harder to fight. It's much easier to attack and discredit him when he's lobbing firebombs (like calling Obama a racist) and spreading crazy conspiracy theories.

My dad challenged me to find one instance where Glenn Beck called Obama a racist?  Do you have a source?

I saw it on the FOX morning show several months back.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gimpy on September 01, 2010, 07:08:14 PM
But he backtracked on "racist."

He carefully avoided saying he would call it back, but instead came up with a perfectly fine EUPHEMISM that even Goebbels would approve:

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Speaking on "Fox News Sunday" with Chris Wallace, Glenn Beck gave his first interview after Saturday's Restoring Honor  rally in Washington, DC. While much of the conversation focused on the rally and religion, there were some answers that are bound to drive more water-cooler conversation on Monday.

Starting at the 10:40 mark in the interview, Wallace asked Beck if his claim that Obama is a racist destroyed Beck's credibility in talking about "reclaiming the civil rights movement."

Toward the end of a lengthy response, Beck said that he "miscast" Obama's liberation theology as racism.

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Wallace: "Do you regret having called [Obama] a racist and saying he had a deep seated hatred for white people?"

Beck: "Of course I do. I don't want to retract the, um ... I want to amend that I think it is much more of a theological question, that he is a guy who understands the world through liberation theology, which is oppressor-and-victim. 'Racist,' first of all, it shouldn't have been said. It was poorly said. I have a big fat mouth sometimes and I say things. That's just not the way people should behave. And it was not accurate. It is liberation theology that has shaped his world view."

See? Obama isn't a racist, he simply espouses a "liberation theology," which involves an opperssor-and-victim mindset.  So, see, it only manifests itself as racism.

Silly minkeys.

http://huff.to/csaL4w (http://huff.to/csaL4w)


Edited to add: I just wanna say, sometimes I come to this thread JUST to read the subject line!  8)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 01, 2010, 07:18:49 PM
Now Beck has his own news website - The Blaze.

Enjoy!

http://www.theblaze.com/

LOL. On his show today he was citing news reports from "The Blaze" to back up some of his allegations. (something about professors at UC San Diego who hate America and an 80-year-old leftist lady at the Labor Dept. who indoctrinates schoolchildren with Marxism!)

Nice circular "journalism" - he's created his own source!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on September 01, 2010, 08:01:02 PM
I would like to AMEND the title of this thread..."Glen Beck is a f*cking idiot". ;)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on September 01, 2010, 09:53:43 PM

Edited to add: I just wanna say, sometimes I come to this thread JUST to read the subject line!  8)

Too funny - I get all excited when someone brings this topic to the top of my unread post list!  I love seeing the thread title!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on September 02, 2010, 08:25:43 AM
just love how Beck just lies and lies and lies. Oh and has a bit of that good ol' OneTrueChristiantm claim in there too:

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It shouldn't have been said," the 46-year-old former disc jockey said on Fox News Sunday. "I have a big fat mouth sometimes and I say things, and that's not the way people should behave. And it was not accurate."

What does Beck wish he had said? He's not racist, he's just a "Marxist."

"He is a guy who understands the world through liberation theology," Beck told Chris Wallace.

Founded in Latin America during the 1950s and based in Christian beliefs, "liberation theology" involves the belief that the poor need to be freed from economic, political or social injustice.

Calling the theology "Marxism disguised as religion," Beck argued it goes against what most Christians believe.

"That is a direct opposite of what the gospel is talking about," he said.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/08/29/2010-08-29_glenn_beck_i_shouldnt_have_called_obama_racist_hes_really_just_a_liberation_theo.html#ixzz0yNV2SBlM

it's always amusing since BEck himself was trying to claim Obama was a muslim: http://coloradoindependent.com/60345/watch-glenn-beck-obama-submission-to-jesus-is-islamic
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 02, 2010, 09:05:35 AM
Beck has apparently recruited James Dobson into his "Black Robe Regiment," a group of clergymen he's forming to advocate for right-wing causes: 

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Dobson and Beck form an alliance, Beck says
August 31st, 2010

Glenn Beck, who along with Sarah Palin has showed incredible ability at mobilizing conservative Christians, may have formed a partnership with James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family and Family Talk.

On his radio show recently,  Beck said he and Dobson plan to work together on the Black Robe Regiment, a new politcal action group dedicated to conservative Christian politics. Beck said several conservative Christian leaders he wanted to be part of Black Robe passed, fearing they’d “lose half (of their) congregation,” Beck said. But Dobson wants on board.

Dobson “looked me in the eye … and he said: ‘I will start tomorrow,’” Beck said on his radio show.
...
http://thepulpit.freedomblogging.com/2010/08/31/dobson-and-beck-form-an-alliance-beck-says/6985/
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on September 02, 2010, 09:33:40 AM
for future reference, Jetson, if you want to research a particular right wing dingus, like Beck, go to Media Matters website.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on September 02, 2010, 10:09:41 AM
for future reference, Jetson, if you want to research a particular right wing dingus, like Beck, go to Media Matters website.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gimpy on September 02, 2010, 04:37:44 PM
OMGOMGOMGOMG.


"Black Robe Regiment"?

Is that for real???

That just sends shivers down my spine!

It's like merging the Brown Shirts with the Inquisition!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on September 02, 2010, 04:59:41 PM
Well, they thought calling it the "White Robe" was to close to the KKK.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on September 03, 2010, 09:33:43 AM
perfect, nick.

This seems to remove any doubt that some Christians are indeed all for a theocracy.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on September 06, 2010, 12:50:37 PM
I think he becKKKster is feeling the waters for a run for the white house in 2012. I already see Beck/Palin 2012 (and Palin/Beck 2012) bumper stickers in my very republican neck of the woods. If they don't try, the only reason will be that neither of those total prima donnas will want to be VP! I think becKKK, at this point, is looking for more power and followers, and money of course. Adulation, though, has to be a pretty powerful drug. I've never seen anyone who had it and voluntarily gave it away. Fundie preachers, rock stars and actors, sports stars, some politicians come to mind.

I'm seeing right now, though, that he's working on keeping the mormons on board while convincing the other fundies that he's a serious preacher dude, or at least should be seen as one. Jedweber had some excellent links so I'm not going to add more. I'm a little surprised that he's given up the gay marriage opposition, but I see that as calculating as well.

Will it get him more sheeple to drop the gay issue and maybe get some gays behind him or at least their friends and families? Or does that cost him too many of his fundie and catholic followers? From the press I see, I expect god to tell him shortly that he better get back on the gay-bashing bus as his lemmings want that. And BecKKK wants nothing more than to give them what they want as long as he's being worshipped all the way to the bank.

His current agenda seems to mainly be a semi-covert white supremacy playing on the fears of old white folks that their world is changing is fundamental ways. They've always known an America that deep-down, knew that "real Americans" are the white ones. Of course the irony of that is they came over here and committed genocide against the people who already lived here, but nobody talks about that.

Actually I disagree with the subject line of this thread---Glenn BeckKK is a lot of things, but he's closer to an evil genius than he is to being stupid. And by himself it wouldn't be such a big deal. It's his followers that are as dumb as dirt, and as bigoted as any southern sheriff that ever lived. Without lemmings to lead, BecKKK would just be a ridiculous radio/TV shock jock. It's all those scared old white people who believe everything that comes out of his mouth that are the problem.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on September 06, 2010, 02:01:30 PM
I wonder what other Western countires would think or a Beck/Palin or Palin/Beck ticket?

Anyone have a nice small cabin in Canada for sale?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on September 07, 2010, 09:55:41 AM
I think he becKKKster is feeling the waters for a run for the white house in 2012.

Never happen.  There is not enough money in it.  Plus, why risk having to put your money where your mouth is?  Beck is in a better position where he is.  He just has to sit back, throw stones and rake in the dough.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Positiveaob on September 07, 2010, 10:12:06 AM
I would LOVE to see a Beck/Palin or Palin/Beck ticket, because there is no possible chance they would win.  I don't agree that Beck is that bright, but I think he is at least smart enough to realize that his place is in the comfort of the broadcast booth, stoking fires and raking in the money.  But as far as his intellect goes, the guy has no real substance to his ideas, just a whole lot of fear mongering.  And I can't think of anyone in the 21st century that has a fundamentalist christian belief system as being at all intelligent, sorry.

It doesn't take much intelligence to be a shock-jock.  It's easy during hard economic times to stir up some fire among the masses.  The only quality I can give him any credit for is being a good public speaker.  That takes a certain amount of talent I guess.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Whateverman on September 07, 2010, 10:36:44 AM
I've been following a home-schooled Christian girl's blog for a year now.  She's now writing opinion pieces for a local newspaper, and posted something topical recently:

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Glenn Beck: Insane or inspired?

Friday, September 3, 2010 - Not Your Average Read by Amanda Read

“You’re a Jehoshaphat,” a pastor told Glenn Beck before the August 28, 2010 Restoring Honor rally that drew a crowd whose quantity climbed in the hundreds of thousands.  The panelist drew a parallel between the Fox News host and a Biblical king of Judah who restored his nation’s godly heritage. Glenn Beck himself has named God as the solution to America’s deep problems. Why would anyone in this day and age take this guy seriously?

American people are listening to Glenn Beck because he is shattering a glass ceiling in the mainstream media: shamelessly invoking the faith of the individual within the political newsroom.  Recently, faith in God has been segregated in public life because of secularist pretensions.  The God of our fathers has been segregated from information and policy.  The politically correct consensus that dominates talking points has insisted that we don't need God or honor anymore because society has evolved to a much higher caliber than that which the Founders experienced.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/not-your-average-read/2010/sep/3/glenn-beck-insane-or-inspired/

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on September 07, 2010, 10:56:42 AM
^^^^^^ how sad, but not suprising that more lies are being spread by ignorant Christians.  What a little liar for saying that no one has honor except those who agree with her. 
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: xphobe on September 07, 2010, 11:35:33 AM
I think he becKKKster is feeling the waters for a run for the white house in 2012.

Never happen.  There is not enough money in it.  Plus, why risk having to put your money where your mouth is?  Beck is in a better position where he is.  He just has to sit back, throw stones and rake in the dough.

He said on air that he was going on a trip to Alaska, but was secretive about the purpose.  He finally admitted he was meeting with Sarah Palin, but then when pressed whether it was political planning in nature, he made a joke about not being able to hear the question.  So maybe he's not running himself, but he's up to something.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: HAL on September 07, 2010, 11:52:10 AM
 He finally admitted he was meeting with Sarah Palin, but then when pressed whether it was political planning in nature, he made a joke about not being able to hear the question.  So maybe he's not running himself, but he's up to something.

The journalist that was renting a house next to Palin said in his opinion she was going to run for president of the United States. I'll see if I can f1nd the article where he said it.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Whateverman on September 07, 2010, 12:06:16 PM
More than two decades ago, Rush Limbaugh was an interesting guy to listen to...

I was more politically Liberal then, and Rush was less of an extremist.  I liked listing to his ideas because even though I disagreed with half of them, it seemed to me that he said reasonable stuff too; things I could both agree and identify with.  As we both got older, we BOTH got a bit more conservative; however, *I* ended up somewhere near the middle while he ended up nowhere near "reasonable".

Beck (it seems to me) is maddeningly extremist, yet I think it's important to recognize that he says things we can all agree with.  I don't know of a single person who rejects the idea of personal responsibility; I don't know anyone who lacks respect for the men and women in military service.  Nearly everyone I know wants changes made to the US in order to make it a better country.

If you reject everything Beck says, your critics will rightfully paint you as an idiot.  And since he appeals to the less edumacated segments of our population, lots of people see "rejection of Glenn Beck" as "commie". 

So, in my humble opinion, when you're talking to a supporter, make some effort to show that common ground exists.  Lacking this, he's going to continue demonizing the opposition and people are going to continue lapping it up.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on September 07, 2010, 12:53:26 PM
The problem is that Beck doesn't say that everyone should respect the military.  He says only his people do it. He doesn't say that changes should be made, he says only his changes should be made.  Those are things I don't agree with and could never agree with. I have yet to hear him say anything that I can agree with.  And I certainly don't think I'm an idiot because I don't agree with him on anything.   
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on September 07, 2010, 05:45:50 PM
He probably wont run on a ticket but I would not be surprised if he did.  Once you built yourself up like he has it becomes a kind of personal drug and you need to keep climbing.  It would be fun to watch as long as it did not become a reality and he ends up in or near the White House.  Some for the moose hunter.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on September 08, 2010, 12:29:13 AM
 He finally admitted he was meeting with Sarah Palin, but then when pressed whether it was political planning in nature, he made a joke about not being able to hear the question.  So maybe he's not running himself, but he's up to something.

The journalist that was renting a house next to Palin said in his opinion she was going to run for president of the United States. I'll see if I can f1nd the article where he said it.

I remember seeing the article mentioning the author but couldn't find it right away so I went with this one. From an article on huffington-post, a liberal rag I realize, but news is news, and they are quoting the folks...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/02/sarah-palin-and-glenn-bec_n_702434.html

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Glenn Beck addressed his trip to the Frontier State on his radio show this week, calling it a "vacation" but keeping the nature of the event vague.

"I'm gonna give a speech up there and Sarah's gonna give a speech, but that's it," Beck said.

The highly significant time, place, guest list, and venue -- the Dena'ina Center is indeed lavish and large -- have led some, such as film-critic and sometimes political commentator Roger Ebert to speculate that the event has been planned in order to announce a Palin, or perhaps Beck-Palin or Palin-Beck 2012 presidential run.

"The symbolic date of 9/11 invests this event with the inescapable possibility that he and Palin plan to announce their Presidential candidacy for 2012," Ebert wrote Thursday.

But here's the snippet that really got my attention:
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Others such as AllahPundit at conservative blog HotAir have scoffed at this idea, however, saying that neither would be foolish enough to "co-opt 9/11 for something as self-aggrandizing as a campaign launch."

There is nothing too self-aggrandizing for Palin or Beck. They both have egos that are beyond belief. I do think that Caribou Barbie would take the top spot, though, for a calculating reason. Beck's followers are starry-eyed, but Palin's are fanatical in the extreme and I truly believe that many would do anything for their messiah. Both are dancing around the edges of saying very messianic things.

The concepts that only those who believe in them have honor or support the troops or want to fight the evil islam are part and parcel of good salesmanship. If you want to sell a product, you get the mark saying "yes." Yes I believe in honor, yes I think muslims are evil terrorists, yes I think democrats are socialist nazis who are weak on terror and can't defend the country, yes I'll vote for someone who can protect me and think for me.

And as for what other countries think about all this? Well, I don't have quotes, but everyone I've talked to laughs hysterically until they remember that we have the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet and have already proven that we'll use it.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: xphobe on September 08, 2010, 01:34:44 AM
The concepts that only those who believe in them have honor or support the troops or want to fight the evil islam are part and parcel of good salesmanship. If you want to sell a product, you get the mark saying "yes." Yes I believe in honor, yes I think muslims are evil terrorists, yes I think democrats are socialist nazis who are weak on terror and can't defend the country, yes I'll vote for someone who can protect me and think for me.

Great point, SherB, and one I'm using to start a thread on another topic here:
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=15687
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 08, 2010, 08:05:42 AM
If you reject everything Beck says, your critics will rightfully paint you as an idiot.  And since he appeals to the less edumacated segments of our population, lots of people see "rejection of Glenn Beck" as "commie". 
So, in my humble opinion, when you're talking to a supporter, make some effort to show that common ground exists.  Lacking this, he's going to continue demonizing the opposition and people are going to continue lapping it up.


Making himself the leader of a quasi-religious movement wrapped up in Christian symbols and patriotic Americana was probably a smart move for Beck. He's shifted attention away from his crackpot conspiracy theories, revisionist history, smear tactics and hatchet jobs, crying and histrionics, etc. They're all still there of course, but they've become part of something larger and seemingly more noble and inspiring to his supporters.   

Responding by calling him a racist or labeling his followers stupid (as many liberals foolishly do) is not going to reach his potential audience - they simply look like ad hominem attacks that reflect badly on the attacker.

I don't think his followers are necessarily stupid. When there's an orchestrated campaign to feed people propaganda and misinformation, I blame the people pulling the strings more than the people who fall for it. And I blame the professional journalists and commentators who should be analyzing it and calling it out, but don't. Many of the deceptive claims people hear all day long on Fox News and talk radio go totally unchallenged in the so-called mainstream media, or are even echoed there. How are average people supposed to know when they're false?

What we really need is someone who can explain to mainstream audiences just how Beck is misleading and manipulating people. But that's hard to do, so our leading liberal media figures (think Keith Olbermann) would rather just go for the condescending snark, easy mockery, and feigned outrage over isolated silly quotes pulled out of context from his show (vs. the overall message.) This is fine if you want to preach to the choir, but it's not going to touch Beck's audience, or millions more who might be somewhat sympathetic.

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on September 08, 2010, 10:42:20 AM
Caribou Barbie

heh.  good one.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on September 09, 2010, 12:55:06 AM
Making himself the leader of a quasi-religious movement wrapped up in Christian symbols and patriotic Americana was probably a smart move for Beck. He's shifted attention away from his crackpot conspiracy theories, revisionist history, smear tactics and hatchet jobs, crying and histrionics, etc. They're all still there of course, but they've become part of something larger and seemingly more noble and inspiring to his supporters.   

Responding by calling him a racist or labeling his followers stupid (as many liberals foolishly do) is not going to reach his potential audience - they simply look like ad hominem attacks that reflect badly on the attacker.

I don't think his followers are necessarily stupid. When there's an orchestrated campaign to feed people propaganda and misinformation, I blame the people pulling the strings more than the people who fall for it. And I blame the professional journalists and commentators who should be analyzing it and calling it out, but don't. Many of the deceptive claims people hear all day long on Fox News and talk radio go totally unchallenged in the so-called mainstream media, or are even echoed there. How are average people supposed to know when they're false?

What we really need is someone who can explain to mainstream audiences just how Beck is misleading and manipulating people. But that's hard to do, so our leading liberal media figures (think Keith Olbermann) would rather just go for the condescending snark, easy mockery, and feigned outrage over isolated silly quotes pulled out of context from his show (vs. the overall message.) This is fine if you want to preach to the choir, but it's not going to touch Beck's audience, or millions more who might be somewhat sympathetic.



Well said. Something that really pissed me off lately was after the big rally, when the numbers of attendees were being thrown around, every single news organization besides CBS accepted the number that fauxSaudiNoise put out. They said 500,000, and even MSNBC regurgitated that number. CBS hired an actual expert who estimated the crowd using mapping techniques and aerial photography, at great expense I'm sure, and came up with 80,000 to 87,000. So virtually all of the 'lamestream media' repeated lies from faux and beckKK that were more than FIVE TIMES the actual number.

While I don't know if any of his lemmings can be dissuaded from their hero-worship, I agree that if someone doesn't at least try we've already lost. It amazes me how short people's attention spans are any more. That's been happening since radio was invented and has become more and more pronounced with every new technology. Now that he's wrapping himself in the flag and carrying a cross (remember how fascism walks in) it seems that everyone has completely forgotten his racism and white supremacist views as of a couple of weeks ago.

As for news orgs, the only people I respect are Rachel Maddow, Jon Stewart, and Stephen Colbert. And the last two aren't serious news, they're comedy! They seem to be the only people left with the ability to think critically and put the information back out to the rubes in a way that is geared down so they can get it without appearing to patronize them. It was priceless how he played up the fact that the arab who is "funding the terrorist mosque" in Manhatten is the same saudi that owns 7% of Rupert Murdoch's little media empire. No mainstreamer even caught it.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on September 09, 2010, 06:55:22 AM
Well, all I know it that there is no God but the Christian God and Beck is His prophet. ;)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 21, 2010, 07:09:19 AM
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Poll: Glenn Beck the Wrong Leader to Lead Religious Movement
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Fewer than one in five Americans (17 percent) believe Beck is the right person to helm a religious movement, according to a PRRI/RNS Religion News Poll released Thursday by Public Religion Research Institute and Religion News Service.

Half of respondents say he's the wrong person; the rest either don't know or declined to answer.

Beck was only correctly identified as a Mormon by 17 percent of respondents -- the same number who think he is either Protestant or Catholic.
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http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2010/09/poll_glenn_beck.html

Of course, it's still disturbing that almost 1 in 5 Americans think he IS a good religious leader..

The poll also shows that Beck has good reason to keep his Mormonism under wraps (he rarely mentions it, usually describing himself only as a Christian), since Americans tend to have more negative views about Mormonism than other leading sects.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: xphobe on September 21, 2010, 07:45:20 AM
^ the fact that people feel there is a religious movement that could be led by the right person is frightening enough!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: GrokkusMaximus on September 26, 2010, 01:06:59 PM
Go easy on him. He's just trying to be the 21st Centuries Thomas Paine................... :D :D :D :D

I agree that this is one of Beck's strategies - embracing Thomas Paine as a  hero of "conservatism" - but I think that the last thing that we should do is "go easy on him". It's this sort of historical revisionism that is leading states like Texas to fubar their historical and science textbooks. I've been trying to debate Beck's nonsense fairly successfully in the "Politics" section at the Huffington Post, but their "Religion" section is driving me absolutely crazy. They're very close minded to Thomas Paine's kind of Deism over there. Half my posts, free of foul language and ad hominem, never get past the "religious" bloggers. They also don't seem to care too much for me quoting from the WWGHA book site over there either.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Hatter23 on September 28, 2010, 08:59:03 AM

There's no left-wing equal of Fox News

Actually I would think "Democracy Now!" is the equivalent. Except instead of owning a muliti-billion dollar media network, It is a shoestring budget group of tapes being circulated on Public Access.

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Agamemnon on September 28, 2010, 08:58:39 PM
Then it isn't equivalent, is it? Not even close, in fact. In order for them to be equivalent, they would have to have similar media networks.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 29, 2010, 11:54:50 AM
I'd say the only remotely comparable counterpart to Fox News is several hours of evening programming on MSNBC, essentially Olbermann and Maddow. ("The Ed Show" is probably even closer to a Fox opinion hour, since it also features a loudmouth cartoon-like blowhard who distorts facts to push his ideology, but unlike Fox, almost no one watches it.)

But MSNBC fails badly in rivaling Fox as a reliable propaganda outlet. They don't use their news content to constantly reinforce the narratives invented on their opinion shows. They allow actual conservatives on frequently, even turning over their entire morning to a conservative host. These sometimes include real conservatives, unlike the stable of "Fox Liberals," who are either wishy-washy moderates, borderline crackpots, or obscure "Democratic strategists" who no one ever heard of outside Fox.

While there are occasional exceptions, Fox News generally brings on this parade of sorry-ass clowns so they can concede on most issues, and occasionally throw out weak, feeble parodies of liberal arguments which can then be destroyed by the line-up of right-wing heavyweights. This is how Fox is "fair and balanced."
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: xphobe on September 29, 2010, 12:34:33 PM
I've been told that there are a number of very entertaining liberal talk show hosts on XM radio.  Unfortunately I don't have one so I've never heard them.

In the Houston area, most of the radio stations are owned by Clear Channel, which is notoriously conservative.   To get any semblance of relief from Glenn Beck and his crowd, I have to listen to NPR (which was never actually liberal and has gotten even less so over the past decade) or Pacifica, most of which is so amateurish and badly produced that it's embarrassingly painful.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gimpy on September 29, 2010, 02:22:56 PM
I've been told that there are a number of very entertaining liberal talk show hosts on XM radio.  Unfortunately I don't have one so I've never heard them.

In the Houston area, most of the radio stations are owned by Clear Channel, which is notoriously conservative.   To get any semblance of relief from Glenn Beck and his crowd, I have to listen to NPR (which was never actually liberal and has gotten even less so over the past decade) or Pacifica, most of which is so amateurish and badly produced that it's embarrassingly painful.


I've had satellite radio for years. I believe (though I could be mistaken) one of the first actual channels that was solely dedicated to left leaning talk was called AirAmerica.

Al Franken was a long-time player on that station, and then moved to AmericaLeft (which is what I think AirAmerica evolved into a bit later).

Ed Schultz is on the XM/Siruis Left station, as is Thom Hartmann, Stephanie Miller, of course Rachel Maddow began in Left/Progressive Talk Radio, then there's Randi Rhodes, Bill Press, Mike Malloy, The Young Turks, Alex Bennett, and I'm sure many more that I'm forgetting right now.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 29, 2010, 04:03:42 PM
I used to pop on Air America in the car once in a while, before my local affiliate folded altogether...

Nothing against most liberal talkers, but to be honest, I don't WANT to spend too much time listening to them. I don't want to isolate myself in a bubble where I only hear like-minded views until I become detached from reality, like conservatives do with their Fox News/talk radio axis. If I'm forced to listen to radio, I guess I'd have to settle for Lady Gaga or NPR.

As for Pacifica, LOL. Its schedule is totally Balkanized, obscure ethnic music one hour, radical feminists another, crackpot health shows pushing "alternative medicine", underground left-wing hip-hop, then some opera or jazz - you never know what's going to be on, and most of it sucks. 

Plus, my local affiliate was involved in some kind of leadership struggle which involved people squabbling on air and locking each other out of the studios at one point, in a desperate battle to dominate their 0.1 Arbitron rating. Radical lefties can be absurd, if you put 5 of them in a room, chances are you'll have four of them dissenting and stomping off to start new factions before they leave.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Gimpy on September 29, 2010, 04:26:38 PM

Nothing against most liberal talkers, but to be honest, I don't WANT to spend too much time listening to them. I don't want to isolate myself in a bubble where I only hear like-minded views until I become detached from reality, like conservatives do with their Fox News/talk radio axis.


I call that phenomenon "smoking their own exhaust."

It happens in the corporate environment a lot, too.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: xphobe on September 29, 2010, 05:04:23 PM
"smoking their own exhaust."

Good one!  I'll have to remember that.  ;D

I didn't mean that I want to listen only to liberals, but a break from the incessant yammering of the Clear Channel Crowd would be a welcome respite.

I try to read BBC news online to get some idea of what the rest of the world thinks is important, and occasionally I'll even scan <horrors> Al Jazeera (don't tell the gummint, they'll think I'm a terrist).
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on September 30, 2010, 08:36:48 AM
^^^^ then i'm on that list with you, xphobe and probably more since I also look at Xin Hua's website.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Hatter23 on September 30, 2010, 08:58:30 AM
I don't know of a single person who rejects the idea of personal responsibility

No one does, unless you count the exceptions they make for themselves and people they like. :D
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 30, 2010, 09:25:07 AM
LOL, somehow I missed this one last month:

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Glenn Beck Claims God Spoke to His 8-28 Rally with Flying Geese

Do you remember when Glenn Beck promised a miracle from God at his 8-28 rally? On his Fox News program today Beck unveiled the power of the Lord through flying geese. A flyover by some geese is what Beck is citing as his miracle. Beck called it “God’s flyover.”

“I want to show you first that miracle that happened... At 9:59, what happened was there was a flock of geese. It was a flyover if you will. ... This was happening just as the opening music was starting. ... It was perfect coordination and perfect timing. Coincidence? Maybe? I think it was God’s flyover. It was not supposed to happen."
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http://www.politicususa.com/en/beck-geese

I wonder if the geese dropped any "blessings" on Glenn and the assembled Teabaggers?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on September 30, 2010, 10:10:28 AM
geese flying over DC isn't supposed to happen? Someone should tell the geese since it's one of their major migration paths. 

Beck is such a pathetic idiot. 
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on September 30, 2010, 10:25:21 AM
geese flying over DC isn't supposed to happen?

Beck said the "miracle" is that he was denied permission for an Air Force flyover, then the geese flew over in a V-formation just as the rally started. So I guess God was showing them they don't need no stinkin' Air Force!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on September 30, 2010, 11:07:26 AM
i rather think he was denied a fly-over, not permission for one.   and yep, shatting geese are a replacement for FA-18 Hornets  &)

you'd think that God could have sent at least one "real" angel.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Agamemnon on October 01, 2010, 02:28:49 PM
Oh! Oh! God shoulda sent a Blue Angel!!

That woulda been PERFECT. All those Teapartiers would have had a freakin' orgasm.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on October 01, 2010, 04:47:46 PM
The geese should have let go of a butt load on Beck...that would have been a miracle. ;)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Azdgari on October 02, 2010, 08:51:09 PM
Oh! Oh! God shoulda sent a Blue Angel!!

That woulda been PERFECT. All those Teapartiers would have had a freakin' orgasm.

Blue angels while teabagging seem...dangerous.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Agamemnon on October 04, 2010, 12:15:35 PM
Lol, you mean 'blue angels' as in people who drive in formation on freeways?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Azdgari on October 04, 2010, 02:01:33 PM
No, but the combination of both types of blue angel with both types of teabagging would be the most dangerous of all.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Agamemnon on October 04, 2010, 10:19:50 PM
lol, indeed!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on October 06, 2010, 09:54:43 AM
Here's another article claiming that Glenn Beck speaks in coded messages to religious believers. This one deals with the "White Horse Prophecy," in which Joseph Smith predicted that a Mormon elder will save the country when "the Constitution hangs by a thread."
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Mormon Prophecy Behind Glenn Beck's Message


In one of his first appearances on Fox News, Glenn Beck sent a coded message to the nation's six million Mormons -- or at least those Mormons who believe in what the Latter-day Saints call "the White Horse Prophecy."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-milbank/post_996_b_749750.html

Assuming that Glenn doesn't believe it refers to himself, we should probably watch out for photos of Mitt Romney riding a white horse. (Or maybe they'll accept a white SUV.)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: xphobe on October 06, 2010, 01:14:19 PM
He did say this morning that Westboro Baptists are crazy.  So, that's a good thing, right?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Agamemnon on October 06, 2010, 01:25:19 PM
I would say it is hypocritical coming from a guy that believes the early Israelites came to America via wooden submarines.

I wonder if he was wearing his magic underwear when he said that?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: cheezisgoooood on October 06, 2010, 01:54:21 PM
I'm at odds politically with my entire family now.  Every evening my dad turns on Fox News.  I despise Fox News and its rampant religious fanaticism.  Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly and everything else.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on October 06, 2010, 02:02:11 PM
Here's another article claiming that Glenn Beck speaks in coded messages to religious believers. This one deals with the "White Horse Prophecy," in which Joseph Smith predicted that a Mormon elder will save the country when "the Constitution hangs by a thread."
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Mormon Prophecy Behind Glenn Beck's Message


In one of his first appearances on Fox News, Glenn Beck sent a coded message to the nation's six million Mormons -- or at least those Mormons who believe in what the Latter-day Saints call "the White Horse Prophecy."
...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-milbank/post_996_b_749750.html

Assuming that Glenn doesn't believe it refers to himself, we should probably watch out for photos of Mitt Romney riding a white horse. (Or maybe they'll accept a white SUV.)
Well, you know it had to be a white horse.  I wonder if the white hat comes along with the prophecy
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on October 10, 2010, 10:16:03 AM
Here's a rare effort by a mainstream columnist to actually look at some of Beck's ideas and rhetorical tricks in detail, revealing how deeply crazed they are. (Not that it will do much good...)

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Glenn Beck is obsessed with Hitler and Woodrow Wilson. (I'm just saying.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/30/AR2010093005267.html
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Conspiracy theories? Glenn Beck's "not saying ..."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/30/AR2010093005268.html
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: pingnak on October 11, 2010, 12:51:46 AM
http://www.infowars.com/warning-to-glenn-beck-dont-drink-diet-coke/

Apparently he's falling all to pieces, losing his vision, and even losing his voice. 

Guess his 'god' wants him to talk like Ned from South Park, and not be able to see the teleprompter.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: pingnak on October 11, 2010, 01:01:00 AM
Oh, and that reminds me... NEW SOUTH PARK EPISODES!!!
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e08-poor-and-stupid#w=10.06.2010
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on October 11, 2010, 05:44:28 AM
In the case of the fire department that let a family's house burn down (with pets inside) over a delinquent $75 fee, Glenn's taking the fire department's side:

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Glenn Beck Mocks Fire Victims, Reaches New Depths of Awfulness
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/glenn-beck-mocks-fire-vic_b_753193.html
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: monkeymind on October 11, 2010, 05:59:05 AM
This is a new low even for Beck!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on October 11, 2010, 06:54:05 AM
His thinking must be along the lines of the Puritans...you don't work you don't eat.  Compassion is for the weak.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Agamemnon on October 11, 2010, 08:23:17 AM
Quote from jedweber's Huff Post article:

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It takes a truly brave man to aim high and take on a defenseless working class family whose entire world was just destroyed over a $75 fee. What kind of a man hectors and pillories an average, innocent American family during their darkest hour and in front of 10 million radio listeners, all for the sake of ratings, personal profit and a few super-cheap laughs? Not a serious man. Not a "man" at all, in fact. Certainly not a man of integrity or honor -- or a man of God, as he so regularly claims to be. Really courageous, this Glenn Beck guy. What a hero.

Amen to that, brother.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: pingnak on October 11, 2010, 01:50:38 PM
And WTF with this 'fee'? 

First off, isn't this supposed to be rolled into your property taxes?  And second off, when did the fire department become ENFORCEMENT for this kind of billing and collection? 

If you lived in a condominium in that county, and your neighbor didn't pay this fee, I assume they'd let the whole complex burn down.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Agamemnon on October 11, 2010, 01:55:20 PM
Yeah. It's pretty sad when our first responders become so mired in bureaucratic red tape that they can't be bothered to do their jobs.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: pingnak on October 11, 2010, 02:28:41 PM
Fire response is life and death.  I didn't realize it was A-OK for the city/county to KILL YOU over a delinquent bill. 

Or in this case, murder your pets with fire.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Agamemnon on October 11, 2010, 02:49:21 PM
This looks like a case of malicious compliance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_compliance).
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: xphobe on October 11, 2010, 03:40:37 PM
Not excusing the fire chief's attitude, but apparently there is some background that HuffPost chose to leave out, in order to make for a more compelling story.

First, the homeowner had an almost identical situation 3 years ago, where he was deliquent in his payment, and that time the fire dept did put out the fire and made him pay up.  Isn't there some idiom about "burned twice"?

Second, this fire started as a trash fire, then a grass fire.  The family had time to spray the lawn with garden hoses, why didn't they have time to rescue their pets and valuables?

Again, I'm not saying the FD was right just to stand and watch, but as usual there's more to this story than we are told by the incompetent mass media.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Agamemnon on October 11, 2010, 03:45:00 PM
I have no doubt there is more to the story. The question is, is there enough to compensate for the lack of action on the part of the FD and justify their behavior. At this point, I think not.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: pingnak on October 11, 2010, 05:27:02 PM
As a juror on the lawsuit of such an incident, 'enough' would have extra zeroes on the check beyond the price of replacing the home.

Yes, there are people who don't pay their property taxes for years, even decades.  In the CIVILIZED world, that becomes a lean against the house.  Something that must be settled if the house is ever to be sold.

When there is an EMERGENCY, you shouldn't have the damned fire department or police or ambulance doing a credit check before responding.  That's pure evil, and it endangers others.  They delayed responding AT ALL until a neighboring property was ON FIRE.  THEN they decided to come out and have a look.

Why would the pets be locked in the house?  Because they'd run off and probably be lost/killed anyway.  Why didn't the homeowners go collect the pets when the fire department arrived?  Because they would be physically restrained from going back to their house from the point the fire engine appeared.

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Ashe on October 11, 2010, 07:15:13 PM
Uh, not too sure, but when he gets to the part about shaking the candy in the jar and "How long will it take to get the pattern back?...Never," I find it hard to believe that you'd never get the pattern back, given enough time. If monkeys pounding on a keyboard can get you a work of Shakespeare, seems to me you could get your candy pattern back if you shake long enough. Can anyone confirm?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UEHISFxK9M[/youtube]
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on October 11, 2010, 09:09:59 PM
Not excusing the fire chief's attitude, but apparently there is some background that HuffPost chose to leave out, in order to make for a more compelling story.

First, the homeowner had an almost identical situation 3 years ago, where he was deliquent in his payment, and that time the fire dept did put out the fire and made him pay up.  Isn't there some idiom about "burned twice"?

Second, this fire started as a trash fire, then a grass fire.  The family had time to spray the lawn with garden hoses, why didn't they have time to rescue their pets and valuables?

Again, I'm not saying the FD was right just to stand and watch, but as usual there's more to this story than we are told by the incompetent mass media.

Americablog (http://www.americablog.com/2010/10/pay-to-play-government-fire-department.html) has some interesting perspectives on it
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Azdgari on October 11, 2010, 09:12:22 PM
Uh, not too sure, but when he gets to the part about shaking the candy in the jar and "How long will it take to get the pattern back?...Never," I find it hard to believe that you'd never get the pattern back, given enough time. If monkeys pounding on a keyboard can get you a work of Shakespeare, seems to me you could get your candy pattern back if you shake long enough. Can anyone confirm?

The candy would likely break or change phase before then, given enough shaking.  Just like the monkeys would likely die before finishing a Shakespearean play.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on October 11, 2010, 09:59:17 PM
Uh, not too sure, but when he gets to the part about shaking the candy in the jar and "How long will it take to get the pattern back?...Never," I find it hard to believe that you'd never get the pattern back, given enough time. If monkeys pounding on a keyboard can get you a work of Shakespeare, seems to me you could get your candy pattern back if you shake long enough. Can anyone confirm?


It is without a doubt a possibility, albeit a highly unlikely one.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: pingnak on October 11, 2010, 11:14:22 PM
As for the monkeys, who's going to sift through the infinite mountain of monkey cadavers, monkey poo, etc., mixed with broken typewriters to find it? 

Beck is over-simplifying humans and human politics into inanimate candy in a jar.  Humans tend to fall into the same general pattern that they're used to.  Of course, if you have the fundies 'shaking the jar' of the republic and pouring it into a theocratic police state for a few generations, yeah, it would be pretty hard to go back to a liberal society.  Probably another thousand year dark age.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: monkeymind on October 12, 2010, 03:25:04 AM
I remember reading an article in SciAm in the early 80's about Chaos Theory. Using a digital image of Francis Bacon in a computer program, they stretched the image diagonally, 'pulling off' pieces of the corners and 'pressing' them back in somewhere else. They wanted to see how long it would take to get the image back. Surprisingly in only 278 cycles (if memory serves me well) Francis Bacon clearly shows up. Not exactly as the original, but clearly the same digital image of a painting of Francis Bacon.

So yeah, I think the monkey in a jar thing is possible.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on October 20, 2010, 10:12:27 AM
If you manage to survive the coming apocalypse, and find yourself scrabbling for buried cans of peas in the radioactive debris of a Walmart, know that somewhere Glenn Beck fans will be laughing at you as they enjoy gourmet freeze-dried lasagna and chicken a la king from their Beck-approved emergency food kits!

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Glenn Beck Hawking Survivalist Disaster Kits
...
You may have heard about Beck's relationship with Goldline International, which urges people to buy gold and stay safe from the supposed inevitable devaluing of the dollar. Now meet Food Insurance, which sells survival kits of freeze-dried food and other items to help people live from two weeks to 12 months, depending on the plan purchased (and post-apocalyptic conditions). Beck has promoted the company's products, is featured prominently on the company's website, and a banner ad for the company, bearing Beck's image, was spotted on his website Monday.
...
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/glenn_beck_hawking_companys_survivalist_disaster_k.php?ref=fpblg

http://www.foodinsurance.com/

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"While your neighbors are struggling to find food, you will be dining on lasagna, beef stroganoff, and a variety of other delicious entrees. What's more, this food will retain its nutritional value and freshness for up to ten years."
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on October 20, 2010, 10:16:10 AM
ah one more Christian who has no "faith" that their God will come through as it claims and "provide". 
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on October 20, 2010, 11:36:44 AM
He must have ubelievable contempt for his audience to even try to sell them crap like this.  He utterly hates them and in return, they send him their love, loyalty and money.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Azdgari on October 20, 2010, 12:13:07 PM
...  He utterly hates them ...

Really, can we blame him for this, all things considered?
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on October 20, 2010, 12:44:02 PM
yes an no.  Yes, they are idiots and I totally understand and encourage contempt for idiots.  But no, because they are idiots in part because of him and the nonsense he has told them. 

And I am not sure what the proper, ethical way is to treat people for whom you have contempt.  I think it is to leave them alone and try to get along as best you can.  But making gobs of money off them is pretty tempting.  I've long considered starting a church for the money, but mainly for the chicks.  Since I have been married and the chicks are off the table, I feel less motivated.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Dante on October 20, 2010, 12:54:59 PM
Then start one for the money, and leave the chicks for me!
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Historicity on October 20, 2010, 01:00:32 PM
Of course, if you have the fundies 'shaking the jar' of the republic and pouring it into a theocratic police state for a few generations, yeah, it would be pretty hard to go back to a liberal society.  Probably another thousand year dark age.

See "If This Goes On --" by Robert Heinlein.  Around 2000, a televangelist, the First Prophet Nehemiah Scudder, becomes president and repeals the Constitution declaring that Franklin and Jefferson were satanic.  Washington, too, so the capital was renamed the New Jerusalem.  He did this not only by populist preaching but by raising his own militias which despite their absence of white hoods and terms like "kleagle" were really the old Underground Empire, a revivified KKK.  Only by 2100 was there a counterrevolution.

Heinlein wrote this in 1940 when TV had barely started.  So he predicted the televangelists and their flocks of sheeple.  But he predicted a new science of semiotics to weigh the propaganda impact of each word and phrase to weaponize that old time religion with science.   That's what people like Frank Luntz (he of the "death tax") do for the Republican party.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_in_2100 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_in_2100)


Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on October 20, 2010, 01:05:41 PM
^^^^^^^yeeesh. Now I'm even more frightened.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Historicity on October 20, 2010, 02:33:31 PM
Hey, Velkyn, here's another creepy thing about that story.  While I was a Heinlein fan from childhood, I didn't read Revolt in 2100 till 1988.  The opening scene is a commotion that happened when a church secretary found out what is one of her expected duties to the current Great Prophet and he rapes her when she says no.

So remember that Jim Bakker assaulted Jessica Hahn in 1987.

Another prediction by Heinlein!

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Hatter23 on October 20, 2010, 03:55:32 PM
That's what people like Frank Luntz (he of the "death tax") do for the Republican party.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_in_2100 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_in_2100)




Ohh thats one a particular burning point with me. That so many STILL believe that the inheritence tax, which was made by the founding fathers as not only a way of revenue but a way of trying to stop an Aristocracy from developing, was somehow "Unamerican," when the very concept of it is as American as the Declaration of Independence, (I.e. No Lords, no Kings) sends me into a frothing rage. And that this was done by calling it a "death tax" was all it took, just illustrates how incredibly dumb the bulk of conservatives are. How are you "punishing success" when said tax isn't actually ON YOU??????? Grrrrrr!!!!!!! ANd it effectively only began after you estate was in excess of One Million. What percentage of Americans have over a million in assets AFTER the funeral and Doctors are paid?

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Dante on October 20, 2010, 04:08:13 PM
What percentage of Americans have over a million in assets AFTER the funeral and Doctors are paid?

Quite a few more than you would think, I'd bet. That doesn't necessarily mean their "millionaires" in the sense that they live lavish lifestyles either. A working man, making wise invesment choices, can fairly easily exceed $1M in assets in this day and age. Is the starting point still $1M?And why do you assume there will be bills for doctors and funerals? If I get hit by a bus tomorrow, there's not much need for either.

We get taxed when we make money, we get taxed when we spend money. We can even be taxed when we save money. And they also want their cut when we give it to our offspring?

I dont disagree with your reasoning for the purpose of the tax, but in middle class America, it seems like the gov't has it's hands too far in the people's wallet.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on October 20, 2010, 06:59:14 PM
Oh, god...the stupid just keeps coming...

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Glenn Beck: Evolution Is 'Ridiculous -- I Haven't Seen A Half-Monkey, Half-Person Yet'
October 20, 2010
Have you ever seen a half-monkey, half-person? No? Well neither has Glenn Beck, which is how he knows evolution doesn't exist.

On his radio show today, Beck wondered how many people in the country believe in evolution, and said he doesn't: "I don't think we came from monkeys. I think that's ridiculous. I haven't seen a half-monkey, half-person yet."

"If I get to the other side and God's like, 'You know what, yep, you were a monkey once,' I'll be shocked, but I'll be cool with it," he said.

"They have to make you care," Beck continued. "They have to force it down your throat. When anybody has to force it -- it's a problem. You didn't have to force that the world was round. Truth is truth."
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http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/glenn-beck-evolution-is-ridiculous----i-havent-seen-a-half-monkey-half-person-yet.php?ref=tn

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on October 20, 2010, 07:27:40 PM
I actually doubt that BecKKK even really believes that---Mormons believe a lot of weird shit, but as far as I know, and I've known a lot of Mormons, they quite value education and don't believe that silly creation shit to be literally true. My bet is that BecKKK's contempt for his sheeple is such that he's now getting crazier and crazier with what he says and does. There are so many completely batshit crazy people out there right now that those like him who make their living on their batshit craziness have to dig deeper and deeper to compete.

It's gotten so out of hand with these idiot teabaggers running for government office that it's become pretty entertaining. It's sad and frightening for what it means for the country, of course, but since I can't do anything about that I try to just let it go. (Otherwise I'm batshit myself.) But I find myself turning to the political news on the web with  a desire to see just what stupidity has come out of O'Donnell's mouth today. Or Joe Miller's. Or Scary Sarah, etc.

I used to do a lot of hand-wringing at what was going to become of the country when those asshats got into power. Then I realized, just a couple of days ago, that they're completely bought and paid for by Halliburton, Monsanto, and the like just like the smart politicians. So no matter how ridiculous their beliefs are, at least adults, albeit evil, greedy ones, will still be making the decisions.

The bad thing, IMO, is that their corporate masters will give them a lot of leeway to get their theocratic agenda in place, since it doesn't affect the corporations much to have theocrats or those who call themselves democrats in charge, so long as they've been wholly purchased. And I really, really don't want to live in a theocracy, or at least not in more of one than we already are.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on October 20, 2010, 08:16:26 PM
I used to do a lot of hand-wringing at what was going to become of the country when those asshats got into power. Then I realized, just a couple of days ago, that they're completely bought and paid for by Halliburton, Monsanto, and the like just like the smart politicians. So no matter how ridiculous their beliefs are, at least adults, albeit evil, greedy ones, will still be making the decisions.

To me, this makes it much, much worse. Maybe a little populist Tea Party rage was good to a point, when it was directed at deserving targets such as Wall Street, mortgage lenders, insurance companies, corporate lobbyists, corrupt politicians, etc. (That was there at the start.) Now it's all being channeled safely away from the corporate/financial interests and the wealthy elites, and re-directed exclusively at liberal Democrats, labor unions, teachers, immigrants, minorities, gays, etc.  Whatever feeble attempts at reform were underway (pathetic as they were), on financial regulation, health care, consumer credit, clean energy, etc., are about to be stopped dead in their tracks and reversed.

These Tea Party minions are about to serve as the foot soldiers in a war on their own economic standing, ushering in policies that are going to dramatically worsen income disparity in this country, transfer wealth to a small minority, and crush the middle class. The massive tax cuts they're about to deliver to the wealthiest Americans can ultimately can only be paid for by dismantling the very entitlement programs most of them rely on (SS and Medicare), along with destroying what remains of our social safety net. I fear for this country, I think it's going to get ugly.

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MEMO: Health Insurance, Banking, Oil Industries Met With Koch, Chamber, Glenn Beck To Plot 2010 Election
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/20/beck-koch-chamber-meeting/

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on October 20, 2010, 08:28:41 PM
Mormons are encouraged to stock up on survival stuff like what Beck is pushing.  This is just another way Beck is moving those on the right closer to accepting Mormon ideas.  Next he will be pushing underwear that makes you feel good "magic" and sending your children out on missions.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on October 20, 2010, 08:45:21 PM
I wonder if Beck's position against evolution comes from his Mormonism as well? I looked up the Mormon position on evolution, they don't explicitly condemn it but church leaders and official publications have expressed disapproval in the past. It seems that they're not necessarily on the same page as creationist fundies, but not nearly as open to the idea as the Catholic church either.  

I once talked to a practicing Mormon about it; he was also adamantly opposed to the idea that humans came from monkeys, maybe that's a stumbling block? (i.e. special creation of Adam?)
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on October 21, 2010, 02:48:26 AM
I wonder if australopithecus would qualify as "half-man, half-monkey" enough for Beck...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/A.afarensis.jpg/220px-A.afarensis.jpg)

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It is widely held by archaeologists and palaeontologists that the australopiths played a significant part in human evolution and it was one of the australopith species that eventually evolved into the Homo genus in Africa around 2 million years ago...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus

Of course, that's a reconstruction from fossils, I suppose Beck could just say that scientists are making it up...
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Hatter23 on October 22, 2010, 07:45:04 AM
I used to do a lot of hand-wringing at what was going to become of the country when those asshats got into power. Then I realized, just a couple of days ago, that they're completely bought and paid for by Halliburton, Monsanto, and the like just like the smart politicians. So no matter how ridiculous their beliefs are, at least adults, albeit evil, greedy ones, will still be making the decisions.

To me, this makes it much, much worse. Maybe a little populist Tea Party rage was good to a point, when it was directed at deserving targets such as Wall Street, mortgage lenders, insurance companies, corporate lobbyists, corrupt politicians, etc. (That was there at the start.) Now it's all being channeled safely away from the corporate/financial interests and the wealthy elites, and re-directed exclusively at liberal Democrats, labor unions, teachers, immigrants, minorities, gays, etc.  Whatever feeble attempts at reform were underway (pathetic as they were), on financial regulation, health care, consumer credit, clean energy, etc., are about to be stopped dead in their tracks and reversed.

These Tea Party minions are about to serve as the foot soldiers in a war on their own economic standing, ushering in policies that are going to dramatically worsen income disparity in this country, transfer wealth to a small minority, and crush the middle class. The massive tax cuts they're about to deliver to the wealthiest Americans can ultimately can only be paid for by dismantling the very entitlement programs most of them rely on (SS and Medicare), along with destroying what remains of our social safety net. I fear for this country, I think it's going to get ugly.

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MEMO: Health Insurance, Banking, Oil Industries Met With Koch, Chamber, Glenn Beck To Plot 2010 Election
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/20/beck-koch-chamber-meeting/



You can blame the Koch brothers little front Organization "American for Prosperity" for that. Convincing the American public to vote for the interests of a few dozen billionares, rather than in their own interest.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Nick on October 22, 2010, 08:02:01 AM
If we are that dumb as a people I guess we will get what we deserve.  Very sad. :'(
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on October 23, 2010, 11:44:09 PM
If we are that dumb as a people I guess we will get what we deserve.  Very sad. :'(

Amen. What makes me sad, as an American, is that I think we really did begin as a great experiment in freedom and the power of the people. Unfortunately, the founders forgot that, for the most part, people are incredibly stupid and self-serving. Some Communist leader of the past labeled democracy as "the rule of the mediocre" and sometimes I think that's what we have. Not that I'd rather have any of the other forms of government instead, although I suspect I might discover what living under either a plutocracy or a theocracy is like before I die. Is corporotocracy a word? Certainly rule by the corporations is a real concept, more real than I like to think about.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: xphobe on October 24, 2010, 12:31:03 AM
Is corporotocracy a word?

According to Wiki, it is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy)

It seems our choices are always to rule our own stupid selves, or to allow someone to rule us who thinks they know better than we do what's for our own good.  It would be wonderful if we could be certain of a benevolent dictator, but it never works that way in practice because rulers are human and subject to error and greed.  I'd rather live in a system that operates in that environment of human nature and puts checks on their infringements, than one that naively expects the best and gives them carte blanche.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on October 25, 2010, 10:05:31 AM
Is corporotocracy a word? Certainly rule by the corporations is a real concept, more real than I like to think about.

I think yuo might be more thinking of "coprotocracy"  ;D

I agree with you, SherB.  Sometimes, I feel like I imagine it must have felt when the British Empire was coming apart.  A great glorious past (nearly all a myth) but not much future to be seen.

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: plbuster on November 22, 2010, 10:46:26 PM
I thought this kind of discourse was not permitted on this site.  Do you have medical evidence that his intelligent quotient is below 70, the accepted level to be considered thus? 
So, you don't like his rhetoric, his demagoguery.  He is of the same mind, but on the other side of the fence.
He attacks propoganda, demagoguery and political rhetoric, and feeds the same back, tit for tat.  Is any of the information he is putting out on FOX incorrect?  Do you disagree with his conclusions?
Exactly what did he say that got your dander up?  Did his comments about George Soros get under your skin, accusing him of being a Nazi collaborator for turning in his fellow jews to be rounded up and murdered? 
Is he knocking the precarious foundations of your precious utopia?  Do you hate him for his religion?  Exactly how is the phrase "Glen Beck is an Idiot..." justified?  Can you even spell Glenn Beck's name correctly?
Or do you just like coming to sites like this and spout hate rhetoric like this to be coddled by your fellows in an environment where your "ideas" won't be challenged?  That's borderline pathological narcissism.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jetson on November 22, 2010, 10:50:53 PM
Read the forum rules.  Digging up older threads is generally frowned upon.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on November 23, 2010, 09:31:20 AM
I think that only applies for those over 6 months old.  The mods can clarify this.

PL, there is no need to have medical evidence that someone is an idiot.  It's a personal observation fairly well born out by Beck's actions.  What else but an idiot, would think a bird flying over him was a "sign from God"? 

And Beck has lied. The one most recent doozy was when he claimed to have handled documents in the National Archives ""I went to the National Archives, and I held the first inaugural address written in his own hand by George Washington.".   That was simply a lie, but of course Mr. Beck claimes that it was just hypperbole.  This is a common claim of theists when they get caught or if they can't explain why their God is such a rightwise bastard in the Bible.  His comments about Mr. Soros were again more of the same. Sly innuendo at claiming Mr. Soros was a collaborator with the Nazis when the actual facts are far from that.  Mr. Soros was 14 when the Nazis were in Hungary.  He was forced to help them.  Claimign that Soros was a collaborator would be as much true as claiming that another teeager, Joseph Ratzinger, was also a Nazi.  I find both claims ridiculous.  I also find it sad that you would continue to attemnpt to spread such nonsense. Beck has also consistently said things and then insisted that he has not.  Too bad for him that we do have recording media that he himself uses to demonstrate that he is simply lying.  For examples, you can compare transcripts thanks to the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/glenn-beck-goes-after-me_b_445195.html  Yes, this is a liberal website but it's hard to refute the facts when there are there in black and white thanks to Mr. Beck himself.   

And I don't hate him for his religion.  Mormons are little different from any other Christian.  I don't like him because he is a lying demagogue, who seems to think he has some right to remove the chance for a informed decision from people as long as it suits his agenda.  As for hating him for his religion, I think other Christians are doing that quite well on their own, considering the hits you get when you google "Beck Mormon cult".

and PL, just look around on this site a bit. It's no echo chamber.  Atheists often have no more in common than not believing in the claims of the supernatural and deities.  You should leave your strawmen arguments at the door.   

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: screwtape on November 23, 2010, 09:50:10 AM
I thought this kind of discourse was not permitted on this site.  Do you have medical evidence that his intelligent quotient is below 70, the accepted level to be considered thus? 
So, you don't like his rhetoric, his demagoguery.  He is of the same mind, but on the other side of the fence.
He attacks propoganda, demagoguery and political rhetoric, and feeds the same back, tit for tat.  Is any of the information he is putting out on FOX incorrect?  Do you disagree with his conclusions?
Exactly what did he say that got your dander up?  Did his comments about George Soros get under your skin, accusing him of being a Nazi collaborator for turning in his fellow jews to be rounded up and murdered? 
Is he knocking the precarious foundations of your precious utopia?  Do you hate him for his religion?  Exactly how is the phrase "Glen Beck is an Idiot..." justified?  Can you even spell Glenn Beck's name correctly?
Or do you just like coming to sites like this and spout hate rhetoric like this to be coddled by your fellows in an environment where your "ideas" won't be challenged?  That's borderline pathological narcissism.

So, are you saying glenn "dumbest dumbfuck in dumbfuckistan" beck is awesome sauce? 
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: kin hell on November 23, 2010, 10:45:39 AM
I thought this kind of discourse was not permitted on this site.  Do you have medical evidence that his intelligent quotient is below 70, the accepted level to be considered thus? 
I cannot answer for the OP
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So, you don't like his rhetoric, his demagoguery.  He is of the same mind, but on the other side of the fence.
He attacks propoganda, demagoguery and political rhetoric, and feeds the same back, tit for tat.

So your level of defence of Beck is to personally claim knowledge of his position is it?
Interesting then that you fail to notice the untenable and glaring hypocrisy of the position you place Beck in, by claiming he doesn't like rhetoric propaganda and demagoguery, and is only attacking them by feeding the exact same back "tit for tat".

So in essence he is a hypocritical demagogue, he pushes hypocritical rhetoric and lies through his hypocritical propagandising teeth.

Well done great defence of a great man. 

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Is any of the information he is putting out on FOX incorrect? 

Up until this crap I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.  If you are so obtuse as to not recognise the fact that Glenn Beck has been caught out time and time again lying.
Here is a simple site to help you find some truth about his lies.
http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/
 (http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/)

When you do get around to adjusting your "set" plbuster perhaps then you may be enabled to post some informed comments.
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Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Hatter23 on November 23, 2010, 10:53:36 AM
I thought this kind of discourse was not permitted on this site. 

Were that the case, there wouldn't be a "chatter" zone.

Do you have medical evidence that his intelligent quotient is below 70, the accepted level to be considered thus? 


Definition of IDIOT
1 usually offensive : a person affected with extreme mental retardation

2: a foolish or stupid person

Definition 1 is a bit archaic, definition 2 is more common in modern parlance. "You are an idiot for not knowing this,"
would be good example of this usage.


So, you don't like his rhetoric, his demagoguery.  He is of the same mind, but on the other side of the fence.
He attacks propoganda, demagoguery and political rhetoric, and feeds the same back, tit for tat.  Is any of the information he is putting out on FOX incorrect? 


Beck: I have always believed that, I have always wanted to believe that: that tomorrow is going to be better than it is today. Not so. In 1986 the only reasons that you didn’t commit suicide was that, in your own words, you were “too much of a coward” and “too stupid”.

OR Healthcare
*** Health care reform is a socialist plot to take over the government
*** Health care reform is a government takeover of the health care system
*** Health care reform is government control over 1/6 of the nation’s economy
*** Health care reform will kill your children, your grandparents, and/or you
*** Health care reform will use taxpayer dollars to fund abortions
*** Health care reform will cause doctors to quit their practice
*** Health care reform will cause people to stop wanting to become doctors
*** Health care reform will cause small businesses to fail, close, or stop offering health insurance to their employees
*** Health care reform will cause rationing of health care
*** Health care reform is reparations for slavery
*** Health care reform will cause Republicans to lose their health care

All lies.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: plbuster on November 23, 2010, 09:54:17 PM
Healthcare
*** Health care reform is a socialist plot to take over the government
*** Health care reform is a government takeover of the health care system
*** Health care reform is government control over 1/6 of the nation’s economy
*** Health care reform will kill your children, your grandparents, and/or you
*** Health care reform will use taxpayer dollars to fund abortions
*** Health care reform will cause doctors to quit their practice
*** Health care reform will cause people to stop wanting to become doctors
*** Health care reform will cause small businesses to fail, close, or stop offering health insurance to their employees
*** Health care reform will cause rationing of health care
*** Health care reform is reparations for slavery
*** Health care reform will cause Republicans to lose their health care

All lies.
Although the rhetoric seems extreme, he bases his arguments on fairly solid ground.  Medicare and Medicaid are both
socialist programs.  Government control over health care insurance is socialism.  Is it bad?  hmmmm...that is a different argument.  However, given the historical record of government control over health care throughout the world, he is merely predicting that the United States Government will be no better at it than any other government.
Since Health related businesses and insurance including hospitals, pharmeceutical companies, and the rest do constitute
 1/6th of the US Economy, exactly how is he wrong?
The prediction that Health Care Reform killing people is based on past performance and the use of beaurocracies to allocate medical services.  The term Death Panels comes to mind.  Also that thing in Oregon, and assisted suicide.
Health Care Reform includes provisions for government funded abortions.
Doctors have already begun to quit their practice.  Fortunately, they are being replaced by the next generation of medical specialists.
Health care reform will cause some people to stop wanting to become doctors.  The rest, out of altruistic or other reasons will continue to seek being doctors.  It will lead to many practices moving overseas and establishing private "elite care" hospitals for cash.
"*** Health care reform will cause small businesses to fail, close, or stop offering health insurance to their employees"
Actually, this is historically correct.  Without a Government Plan for employers/employees to fall back on, small businesses will have to downsize.  It's a matter of economics.  Generally, Large Corporations benefit from socialist concepts like this as they pass the cost on to customers.  When small businesses do this, they lose customers.
The rationing of Healthcare has been the historic and inevitable result of nationalization of health services, though not necessarily of Health Insurance Reform.
As far as reparations for slavery?  Well, I think that's a bit of hyperbole.  I believe he thinks that the African-American vote was contingent on passing Health Care Reform, and that in some circles it may have been bantered about as a type of reparation.  Still, on the face of it, it sounds like demagoguery and devisiveness, and should not be believed.
The last point...well, that's more demagoguery, though his point is probably that they may lose the insurance they have, especially if the government is able to come up with a National Health Insurance program.

To say they are all lies?  Well...maybe republicans don't want to end up being Soylent Green.  Boowahahahaha ;D
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on November 24, 2010, 12:44:52 AM
Methinks you spend way too much time in front of the faux noise machine. I hear the same arguments from my relatives who think the sun rises and sets on becKKK. I spend way too much of my time in the F2F world trying to educate real people how faux is convincing them to vote for policies that directly help the rich and/or the corporations and that harm themselves, and showing them where and how becKKK and oReally? lie, distort the truth, make up their own facts, and report other people's lies as the truth even when they know them not to be. Examples: Van Jones, ACORN, Shirley Sherrod. More examples: death panels in Health Care, Obama as a Marxist Communist Fascist Liberal with a deep-seated hatred for white people and or the white culture (whatever that even means.)

At any rate, since I do this practically for a living I could match you factoid for factoid, but I don't have the time or energy. I've found that once someone has begun drinking the fux noose kool-aide, it doesn't matter what you say, what you do, how much of their 'news' is demonstrably, provably untrue, because True BelieversTM simply can't or won't change their minds. So I pick my battles now. If there's someone in my real-world sphere of influence that I think might be open to at least starting to doubt what they hear on Murdoch's media empire, I work really hard at changing their minds. But if they either 1) are not willing to hear another viewpoint, no matter what, and/or 2) are simply a faceless entity with a keyboard and an internet connection that actually I've never seen before on this forum, well, I have better uses for my time. And since you appear to be both 1 and 2...

Two things I will agree on, though. One is that the health care bill that eventually passed was a piece of junk and mostly a big gimmee to the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, after the public option was stripped from it. And the other is you're right that becKKK isn't, technically an idiot. Unfortunately, he's quite intelligent, so it's sad that he's decided that what he wants to do with his life is hate-monger and race-bait and in general incite people to do violence and harm to one another.

If he were a different kind of person with the talent of persuasion he posesses, he could be a huge force for good in this world. So it's especially sad that he's chose to use his brains to destroy what little is left of this country's middle-class and it's secular democracy and move it ever-closer to a theocracy with huge gaps between rich and poor.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: ParkingPlaces on November 24, 2010, 01:03:16 AM
Although the rhetoric seems extreme, he bases his arguments on fairly solid ground.  Medicare and Medicaid are both
socialist programs.  

The big problem here is that the word "socialist" not means whatever the right wants it to mean for whatever point they are pretending to get across at that moment. ANYTHING they don't like is automatically socialist, yet I doubt that more than two or three republicans can even define what a socialist is.

They also can't define "conservative". Little Georgie Bush often just stood in front of crowds when he campaigned and said "I'm a conservative" without explanation, without examples. He seemed to think just saying those words were enough. Or, more likely, he hoped that was the case because he didn't really know many more words than that anyway. In any case, the idea of KISS (Keep it simple stupid) seems to work best for those that are actually, you know, stupid.

I'm not saying the left side of things is any smarter. All politicians eventually get good at gaming the system, no matter what side of the fence they are on. All they require is the frickin' fence. Which must be pretty big, because I'm hearing lots of echos.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on November 24, 2010, 09:30:56 AM
Although the rhetoric seems extreme, he bases his arguments on fairly solid ground.  Medicare and Medicaid are both socialist programs.  Government control over health care insurance is socialism.  Is it bad?  hmmmm...that is a different argument.  However, given the historical record of government control over health care throughout the world, he is merely predicting that the United States Government will be no better at it than any other government.
Since Health related businesses and insurance including hospitals, pharmeceutical companies, and the rest do constitute 1/6th of the US Economy, exactly how is he wrong?
I suspect you have little idea on how Medicare and Medicaid is actually run or what exactly socialism is.  And other gov'ts seems pretty good at "socialist" medical care. It seems that you simply parrot what you've been told. Rather sad, that.  I'd like you to show how all of the following are on "fairly solid ground". IF you can't, well, that says a lot:

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Health care reform is a socialist plot to take over the government
*** Health care reform is a government takeover of the health care system
*** Health care reform is government control over 1/6 of the nation’s economy
*** Health care reform will kill your children, your grandparents, and/or you
*** Health care reform will use taxpayer dollars to fund abortions
*** Health care reform will cause doctors to quit their practice
*** Health care reform will cause people to stop wanting to become doctors
*** Health care reform will cause small businesses to fail, close, or stop offering health insurance to their employees
*** Health care reform will cause rationing of health care
*** Health care reform is reparations for slavery
*** Health care reform will cause Republicans to lose their health care
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The prediction that Health Care Reform killing people is based on past performance and the use of beaurocracies to allocate medical services.  The term Death Panels comes to mind.  Also that thing in Oregon, and assisted suicide. Health Care Reform includes provisions for government funded abortions.
more spew from repeated lies. Man, do you think we can't research these claims?  We aren't like you and accept whatever crap that Beck proclaims.  The crap about "death panels" is just hilarious.  Please do provide the evidence for this nonsense.
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Doctors have already begun to quit their practice.  Fortunately, they are being replaced by the next generation of medical specialists.
again, more evidence please.  And what are "medical specialists"? Could they be oh, doctors, physician's assistants?  If doctors are supposedly quiting their practices, and just as capable people are replacing them, what is the problem?
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Health care reform will cause some people to stop wanting to become doctors.  The rest, out of altruistic or other reasons will continue to seek being doctors.  It will lead to many practices moving overseas and establishing private "elite care" hospitals for cash.
more baseless claims.   More fear mongering. How "Christian".
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"*** Health care reform will cause small businesses to fail, close, or stop offering health insurance to their employees"
Actually, this is historically correct.[/quote]  Evidence again please.
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Without a Government Plan for employers/employees to fall back on, small businesses will have to downsize.  It's a matter of economics.  Generally, Large Corporations benefit from socialist concepts like this as they pass the cost on to customers.  When small businesses do this, they lose customers.
So we have you claiming that health care reform is soooooo bad but now you want a gov't plan to fall back on. Hilarious.  
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The rationing of Healthcare has been the historic and inevitable result of nationalization of health services, though not necessarily of Health Insurance Reform.
So, again Beck is lying and trying to compare apples to oranges.  
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As far as reparations for slavery?  Well, I think that's a bit of hyperbole.  I believe he thinks that the African-American vote was contingent on passing Health Care Reform, and that in some circles it may have been bantered about as a type of reparation.  Still, on the face of it, it sounds like demagoguery and devisiveness, and should not be believed. The last point...well, that's more demagoguery, though his point is probably that they may lose the insurance they have, especially if the government is able to come up with a National Health Insurance program.
Nope, it's a lie. I do love when people like you want to claim "oh it's just hyperbole." when caught in a lie.  Sad really.  More and more baseless claims.  I love all of the "probably" and "believe" that you must use in excusing Beck. Just like how Christians attempt to excuse their god.
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To say they are all lies?  Well...maybe republicans don't want to end up being Soylent Green.  Boowahahahaha ;D
and to finish up with, a strawman argument.  
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: TopolX on November 24, 2010, 05:51:15 PM
Although the rhetoric seems extreme, he bases his arguments on fairly solid ground.  Medicare and Medicaid are both
socialist programs. Government control over health care insurance is socialism.  Is it bad?

No it isn't and here's why.

 
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However, given the historical record of government control over health care throughout the world, he is merely predicting that the United States Government will be no better at it than any other government.

Works well in every country that has it (Europe, Canada, Japan, even Russia).

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The prediction that Health Care Reform killing people is based on past performance and the use of beaurocracies to allocate medical services.  The term Death Panels comes to mind.  Also that thing in Oregon, and assisted suicide.

Didn't happen in the UK, never will either, it's called efficiency and having enough resources to allocate them to everyone instead of making absupernormal profits (supernormal profit which has no beneficial economic effect).

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Health Care Reform includes provisions for government funded abortions.

It's called autonomy, look it up some time. Also it gives the government more control over abortion so it can be limited to a certain number of weeks which is a brilliant compromise which exists everywhere with an NHS.

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Health care reform will cause some people to stop wanting to become doctors.  The rest, out of altruistic or other reasons will continue to seek being doctors.  It will lead to many practices moving overseas and establishing private "elite care" hospitals for cash.

Didn't happen in the UK, never will either.


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"*** Health care reform will cause small businesses to fail, close, or stop offering health insurance to their employees"
Actually, this is historically correct.  Without a Government Plan for employers/employees to fall back on, small businesses will have to downsize.  It's a matter of economics.  Generally, Large Corporations benefit from socialist concepts like this as they pass the cost on to customers.  When small businesses do this, they lose customers.

WTF is that supposed to mean? The point of an NHS is that health insurance is paid for by the people for the people so businesses don't need to provide insurance thus no problem. US is more of an oligopoly than the UK so that theory falls spectacularly.

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The rationing of Healthcare has been the historic and inevitable result of nationalization of health services, though not necessarily of Health Insurance Reform.

Already rationed in the US through the price mechanism. NHS allows a more efficient and wide sweeping allocation of healthcare due to allocative efficiency motive rather than profit motive thus is better option.

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To say they are all lies?  Well...maybe republicans don't want to end up being Soylent Green.  Boowahahahaha ;D

Hasn't happened in the UK, never will either. Might do in China though but that's another story.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: velkyn on November 25, 2010, 08:01:22 AM
no real suprise that PL seems to have abandoned this thread in favor of more nonsense in others. Always good to know requests for actual evidence confound him.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Positiveaob on November 25, 2010, 01:13:57 PM
SherB I agree with most of your post except the part about Beck being intelligent.  I haven't seen anything to indicate anything of the sort.  I havent seen anything he has said that shows he is capable of critical thinking, nothing in his education to indicate he is above average in the classroom, nothing whatsoever points me to a conclusion that he is at all intelligent whatsoever.  Im just not seeing it.  Making alot of money playing up kooky conspiracy theories to the masses is not a mark of intellect.

What he is is a talented public speaker and has good timing.  In tough economic times, stirring up paranoia and rallying the angry masses is easy to do if you have talent in front of a microphone and know how to play up collective fears.  And thats all he does.  There is nothing exceptional about him at all from an intellectual standpoint.  Smart people don't see a flock of geese flying overhead and think that it's a flyover from a god.  That's not an "intelligent" conclusion.

As far as the healthcare bill nonsense that plbuster is spouting about above, we already DO ration healthcare.  We just do it in an incredibly inefficient manner.  I am not in the least bit in favor of a complete government takeove of healthcare, but that is not what a public option would have been. 

And there is no slippery slope leading to "death panels"!!!  Once you uttered that phrase, I realized you has no idea what you're talking about!  Discussions with patients regarding their wishes at the end of their lives is not leading to "death panels"!  In the US we spend an inordinate amount of healthcare dollars on the care of those in the last weeks of their lives, most often based on the assumption that that is what the person would have wanted when in fact they may have preferred to spend their final days without tubes in their tracheas and feeding tubes in their stomachs.  These are things that can be discussed well ahead of time with their primary doctor but were killed in the legislation with Palin's "death panel" idiocy and the furor it caused.

I am curious what countries you were referring to where government run healthcare has been so disastrous?  Of course, comparing us to other countries is apples and oranges with regards to healthcare for a number of reasons. 

For starters, in most other nations doctors do not have to through college first.  And this is an important distinction.  In order to become a doctor in the US, you have to go through four years of college, four years of medical school, and a minimum of 3 years of residency before practicing as a physician.  Several more years to subspecialize.  During that whole time, you are paying an insanely high of amount of money in tuition (much more than you do in other countries), racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt instead of making money.  If you are getting paid as a government worker at the end of all that, I can assure you fewer people will go into medicine in the US. I'm not saying those in other countries do not have to study hard to become doctors.  The quality of doctor education is outstandng everywhere.  But education is generally much cheaper and it's different when you can start collecting salaries when you are in your mid-twenties.

But the biggest difference, and what is being completely ignored in debates, is the issue of malpractice.  In certain specialties in the US literally HALF of a physician's salary goes towards malpractice insurance.  And that doesn't even begin to take into account the costs of defensive medicine.  Anyone who tells you that the threat of litigation doesn't play a role in a physicians decision to order tests, labs, imaging, and admissions is ignorant of American medicine.  In other countries, for the most part, this is rarely an issue.  The difference is primarily cultural.  We have this jackpot justice mentality here for whatever reason, and alot of our political leaders have made personal fortunes off the system.  So it never really gets brought up in the debate.  But it is a HUGE chunk of our healthcare expenses.

Before anyone comes back with something to the effect of "when you have been wronged by a physician you have the right to compensation" combined with a personal story and appeal to emotion, I would like to emphasize I am NOT suggesting we take away your right to sue.  I am stating that the system is out of control.  If I was permanently disabled by a doctor's mistake, then $100 trillion dollars wouldnt be enough to  satisfy me.  But the system cannot support that.  The fact is, doctors, nurses, and hospitals are going to make mistakes.  It's just the way it is.  But the good that comes from medicine far outweighs the bad.  And we cannot sustain multimillion dollar verdicts to everyone who has a poor outcome from human error.

And again, those who point to nonsensical figures about how "well only one percent of the healthcare budget goes towards malpractice" are completely missing the insanely high amount of money that goes towards defensive medicine and towards malpractice insurance.  Pass meaningful malpractice legislation and you will go a long ways towards fixing this healthcare mess.

Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Dante on November 25, 2010, 03:10:36 PM
Good post.^ Passing malpractice legislation would be huge, but I'd like to take it a step further and see some legislation against most of the ludicrous compensation lawsuits that are defining this country.

It would be great if the lawsuit mentality wasn't so pervasive, and the ambulance chasers were after more than just the paycheck. Unfortunately, greed is almost an epidemic, and a great inhibitor to freedom in the US.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: SherB on November 30, 2010, 06:02:27 AM
We have this jackpot justice mentality here for whatever reason, and alot of our political leaders have made personal fortunes off the system.  So it never really gets brought up in the debate.  But it is a HUGE chunk of our healthcare expenses.


I love the 'jackpot justice mentality' concept. That describes the American attitude toward lawsuits, especially medical, perfectly. For whatever reason, we seem to have really, as a culture, abandoned our earlier work ethic in favor of one that posits getting rich as some kind of gambling success. We can win the lottery, we can win in Vegas, or we can win a big lawsuit for something. I know people who are actually busy budgeting their lottery winnings as we speak, while living in abject poverty.

You're absolutely right about the defensive medicine. Tests, tests, and more tests, when it's obvious from the beginning what is wrong. But they have to CYA, and you can't blame them. I take estrogen because if I don't my life is not worth living from my symptoms, but I practically had to sign a waiver to get my doctor to prescribe it because there's been a study that it increases the odds of getting breast cancer by 1% or something. He's afraid that if I get cancer I'll sue him, and some people probably would.

There are a couple of other things that never get discussed in the health care reform, or health care insurance reform, which this bill actually is for the most part. And that is the number of chronic diseases with expensive treatments that people bring on themselves with their lifestyles. I smoked cigarettes for years, even after knowing that they cause cancer, etc. Is the government, if they provided health care,obligated to treat my lung cancer or emphysema? If so, to what extent? Should they pay for expensive chemo that may or may not work? How about a lung transplant? Should someone who didn't smoke get a new lung faster than a smoker?

What about all the chronic diseases caused by obesity, which is taking over smoking as the biggest cause of chronic disease brought about by lifestyle? Diabetes is expensive, especially when you start getting complications, and most diabetes is directly caused from excess weight. High blood pressure, sleep apnea, etc. If the government is going to have to pay for it, should they have the power to make you lose weight?

I only brought those up because, again, just like tort reform, it's something that doesn't get discussed. It's as if, and this is true for many more issues than health care, some group has decided ahead of time the parameters of the discussion. There are still two sides, but only certain items are up for discussion. Everything else just isn't spoken of. It's really fascinating.

One more thing. The 'death panels.' I hate that Americans are so stupid that they actually can let something this stupid be accepted as fact. And again, nothing was ever said about the huge rationing that goes on now. It's called insurance policies. If you don't have any insurance, well, too bad. You're rationing starts and ends with nothing. Even if you do, though, it's a crapshoot if your company is actually going to pay for whatever it is that you have. Or pay enough of it that you can get treatment without losing your house.

And BecKKK... Perhaps intelligence isn't the word I meant. More like a cunning ability to pick up on what an audience wants and be able to bring exactly that to them. The people who believe in him, granted most of them aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, but the kind of unwavering, blind allegiance they give him is frightening. My opinion, and its only my opinion, is that there was an orator in the early 40s in a European country who had much the same talent and used it much the same ends that I see BecKKK going for. And look how that turned out. BTW, that same talent for getting audiences of True Believers is also Sarah Palin's forte. And I don't think many people use intelligence and her name in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: Hatter23 on November 30, 2010, 08:42:33 AM

One more thing. The 'death panels.' I hate that Americans are so stupid that they actually can let something this stupid be accepted as fact. And again, nothing was ever said about the huge rationing that goes on now. It's called insurance policies. If you don't have any insurance, well, too bad. You're rationing starts and ends with nothing. Even if you do, though, it's a crapshoot if your company is actually going to pay for whatever it is that you have. Or pay enough of it that you can get treatment without losing your house.

You are in part right, but what few people understand that insurance companies already have "death panels," they are called Actuaries.
Title: Re: Glen Beck is an Idiot...
Post by: jedweber on November 30, 2010, 10:34:07 AM
^ This.

The six largest private health insurance companies just reported profits of $3.4 billion dollars in the last quarter, up 22% from a year ago. They increased profits mostly by sharply cutting the number of claims they paid out on, which they call reducing their "medical loss ratio."

 Third-Quarter Profits Reach $3.4 Billion as Health Insurers Cut Spending on Care, Drop Unprofitable Members (http://yubanet.com/usa/Third-Quarter-Profits-Reach-3-4-Billion-as-Health-Insurers-Cut-Spending-on-Care-Drop-Unprofitable-Members.php)

I'm not suggesting they do this because they are evil. They're simply following good business practices, which give them a vested interest in denying care to as many people as possible by rejecting claims and purging sick or high-risk people from their rolls. It's probably unrealistic and unfair to expect them to ignore business considerations and behave like charitable organizations or public servants.

I think we're going to have this problem as long as we rely on private, profit-seeking entities to provide health care coverage for the majority of Americans (everyone except the elderly, destitute and war veterans). Private insurers are essentially parasitic middlemen who divert a large proportion of their premium income to purposes that have nothing to do with delivering health care. It's not just profits - private insurers must also pay for high executive compensation, marketing, advertising, lobbying, political campaign donations, etc. out of their premium income. As a result they typically spend as little as 70 to 80% of premiums on actual health care for their clients. A non-profit or government-run insurer simply doesn't have many of these expenses, beyond their administrative costs, which are typically quite low. (reportedly 3% for Medicare.)

Instead of creating a single-payer government-backed insurer (say, by opening up Medicare to everyone), or even providing a "public option" as an alternative, the current health care bill reinforces our reliance on private, for-profit insurers. It imposed all sorts of costly demands on them (pre-existing conditions rules, etc.), while promising to compensate them with the individual mandate forcing everyone to buy their products. This is the part of the bill that's most unpopular and that's now under the fiercest attack by conservatives, but it's the part that is supposed to pay for everything else.  I think it's the Achilles heel of a badly flawed and compromised bill.