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So, we'd have to look at other metrics.  We can start sociologically - in the Western world, in most parts of developing Africa, the Church is the de facto moral authority.  It comes out of the african Shamanic tradition; "wise men" and "witch men" were the ones that directed the tribal mystical requirements.  In the modern day, this reverence for the mystic has moved in response to the evangelical effort to convert the continent. 

While there are many good Christian folk in Africa, Christianity is the root of Koney's Army, its prohibitions against witchcraft are used to slaughter children when bad things happen, and western evangelicals have convinced African governments to make homosexuality a capital offence.  Let me reiterate that:  American evangelicals went over to Africa and convinced several governments there (Uganda foremost) that they should make being gay punishable by death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill - that'll give you a good start, and you can go from there. I'd suggest paying close attention to this NY Times article about the catalyzing events. 

You can also look at the slavery issue in the US, where the bible was brought out to defend slave ownership by good Christian folk who honestly thought they were doing the Lord's will:

"[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts." - Jefferson Davis, President, Confederate States of America

Every hope of the existence of church and state, and of civilization itself, hangs upon our arduous effort to defeat the doctrine of Negro suffrage." - Robert Dabney, a prominent 19th century Southern Presbyterian pastor

"... the right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example." - Richard Furman, President, South Carolina Baptist Convention

Such moral men are these! ... but they were, at the time.  Morals have changed over the intervening (nearly) two centuries; our culture has grown to embrace the concept that freedom is a universal right, independent of the color of someone's skin.
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[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God
Where is that?
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the right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example]
Is it now?

Slavery in America is much different from the slavery f the Bible. Slaves were set free after 7 years, usually it was indentured servitude to pay off a debt, they were treated as members of the family and some would choose to become bondslaves for life at the end of the 7 years. If you struck a slave he went FREE! It was illegal to kidnap in the Jewish law so there was no capture and subjugation.
The slaves of 200 years ago were kidnapped and kept for life and beaten ALL PROHIBITED in scripture.


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Such moral men are these! ... but they were, at the time. 
So why are you complaining if the morality at the time was that slavery was moral you can't call it immoral by those standards. Society and Culture have decided it is wrong NOW Right?


So tell me? Is slavery truly WRONG? Objectively or Absolutely?
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Alzael Scumbag April 10, 2012, 04:12:42 PM