Karma reasons for concrete message



    Global Moderator

    Posts: 8928
  • Darwins +1130/-27

Many of the things you mention also happened in other, non-Christian cultures.  Those other cultures produced language, literature, music, and fine arts that had nothing to do with the Bible or Christianity.  Legal systems, the concept of justice, education, caring for others, and even medicine all happened in non-Christian cultures at least as much as they happened in Christian ones - indeed, non-Christian cultures actually outnumbered Christian ones, and still do today.  For that matter, many of the civil liberties and human rights that we value today came about not because of Christianity, but because of other cultures which had enshrined them in their heritage, and which Christian nations ended up having no choice but to copy because of how well they ended up working.  A prime example is the Iroquois Confederacy, not to mention the Constitution that they developed on their own, without significant Christian input.

Let's not forget the Christian cultures which enshrined exactly the opposite values, such as the Spanish and Portuguese.  They didn't care about human rights, about civil liberties, or even about supposedly basic Christian ideals, such as doing unto others and turning the other cheek.  What they cared about was accumulating wealth, power, glory, and "saving souls"...by using the threat of torture against people they'd forced to convert to keep them from reverting to the faiths they actually wanted to worship, for example.  By keeping their foot on the necks of the people they'd conquered, on forcing them to become Christians whether they wanted to or not.  And they didn't care in the slightest if they killed off their conquered workers through neglect, disease, overwork, or anything else, provided they were "saved".

It's true that many scientists were Christians, but many other scientists were not Christians.  And for a long period of time, there were no Christian scientists, no Christian doctors.  Christian educators and scholars, such as they were and what there were of them, were focused on teaching about the Bible and learning about the Bible, and really didn't care that much about the natural world.  Let's not forget about the internecine warfare between Christian nations that disagreed about their beliefs, like the 30 Years War, which trampled over Germany as Protestant and Catholic armies clashed for territory there.

Aside from that, you never really answered nogodsforme's question.  She was asking what benefits inserting God into science would have, and you didn't actually answer that.  Yes, many discoveries were made by Christians, but many other discoveries were made by non-Christians.  That holds even more true today, when many scientists are agnostic at best.  So, what difference does it make if a scientific discovery is made by a Christian, as opposed to a Muslim, or a Hindu, or a Buddhist, or a Deist, or an agnostic, or an atheist?
Changed Change Reason Date