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Questions to Theists
Some questions from a former believer who asked questions himself, and eventually couldn't reconcile all the excuses I was making for god.   How do you guys find ways to rationalize the following in your heads?   If these questions make sense, and your belief is true, then why aren't there good answers for them?

1 - As you think of people with more experience that you respect (elders, leaders, relatives)... are they more patient, emotionally mature, and understanding than they were when they were younger?    If yes, then why is a god who is at least 6,000 years old, if not 18,000,000,000 years old, if not timeless, emotionally immature in the Bible?   God displays quick temper, jealousy, frustration with far lesser beings that he created, and he's turned on repeatedly by his own creations, which angers him even though if he is omnipotent he'd have known it would happen.   Why?    Why did God drown everyone else on earth during Noah's flood and even murder animals?   Why does the smell of burning animal sacrifice please the nostrils of an 18,000,000 year old giant who made galaxies?

2 - Christians refer to God as the source of all truth, light, and goodness, and refer to the Bible as all the proof they need.   Why does God, in the Bible, punish future generations for the sins of their parents?   Why does God have young virgins claimed as wives under Moses or babies dashed from walls and killed?

3 - Why would the 18,000,0000 year old being who made galaxies be a worse matchmaker than Match.com?    If God has a plan for each of us and all the days of our lives, wouldn't he do better at matching couples instead of worse than every other way possible?

George Barna, president and founder of Barna Research Group, commented: "While it may be alarming to discover that born again Christians are more likely than others to experience a divorce, that pattern has been in place for quite some time. Even more disturbing, perhaps, is that when those individuals experience a divorce many of them feel their community of faith provides rejection rather than support and healing. But the research also raises questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families. The ultimate responsibility for a marriage belongs to the husband and wife, but the high incidence of divorce within the Christian community challenges the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriages."

4 - By now, you may have mentioned that all good comes from God and we have the free will to mess it up...  if we catch a touchdown in a game, get married, or do good for a charity, all of that came from God, but, if we drop a touchdown, get divorced, or do evil, that all is our fault.

Doesn't this make God sort of like the worst manager you've ever had times 100?    By the above definition, God has all the power to guide us and help us and change anything, fails to do it, gets all the credit for our successes, and takes none of the blame for our failures...

How is the most powerful being in the universe not at all responsible for the evil in the universe?   Didn't he create Satan knowing that he'd get angry when Satan got proud?   Didn't god know he'd throw a temper tantrum, create hell, then create his son who he sacrificed to himself to save us from a place he created?

5 - If the Bible is truth, and we're fools for rejecting that truth, then why doesn't the truth stand up to obvious scientific scrutiny and debate?   Why do Christians run or shut down or follow circular logic?

"God is good because the bible tells me he's real and good... I ignore all the bad stuff that's in there... I know the bible is true because God wrote it and he is good... I know God is real and good because the bible says so... I know the bible is real because God wrote it..."

There's no outside historical record of Jesus.  There's no lasting monument to any miracle.  There's no lasting proof of any miracle.   We know for sure that the bible was re-written and edited over hundreds of years and contains awful things like stoning your own kids to death.

If any one word of the bible is false, then, how do you know which parts are true?   If no words of the bible are false, can I still buy a slave for 30 shekels of silver?   Which is it?


If we've come back to, "You should believe because I know god is real, I just know it!   I know his book is true, I just know it..."   Then why is that any better than a follower of Thor suggesting I should believe in Thor because they "just know it"?

Some people "just know" that a lucky horseshoe helps them win bets.   Some people "just know" that crystals help them heal.  Some people "just know" that a psychic can talk to their dead relatives.

All of those things are delusions with the same justification as "you should just believe because it's true and I gave you the truth".

Please understand that, if you've read this far, I know you may be afraid inside to really think about what I'm saying because it could 'hurt your faith'.

But if your faith is based in truth, why would any question be able to hurt it?

The earth rotates around the sun right?   Can any question "hurt" that fact?   No right?  So why can questions so easily hurt someone's true faith?

Could it be because it's not true at all?   If not, what's the explanation?
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Disciple of Sagan You are a welcome addition May 20, 2014, 11:09:37 PM
Jag Excellent ?'s, good luck getting any theists to answer them May 20, 2014, 03:15:30 PM