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I really doubt at this point that you're speaking English, either. We're getting nowhere, fast. In my eyes, you have failed to present any definition of "subjective" that does not include e.g. science.

Anyhow, the important issue in this thread is whether there is any form of secular ethics that fulfills the two criteria:
i) It does not invoke a metaphysical reality
ii) It is capable of guiding our behaviour in a meaningful way (in other words it is not completely relativist)

Whether objective or not (but to be clear, it is objective, in case you're going to accuse me of backpedaling again as you seem to like to do), I contend that EvoInt fulfills both criteria.
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Azdgari Deliberately derailing a losing argument. Poor form, sir. April 18, 2013, 02:30:54 AM