Y'know, often in these debates I get stuck on the theist argument that homosexuals 'choose' their lifestyle. Why would someone choose to be hated and vilified? But I've been thinking lately, trying to see it from the theist point of view. Consider the paedophile, he (or she) has urges that are disgusting to society, urges that he (or she) can either choose to act on or suppress. I think I understand now that the theist sees homosexuals in a similar light. However, the main difference between paedophilia and homosexuality is that the second usually includes consent between two capable parties, and in general hurts nobody. Paedophilia is devastating to the victim.