No, unbelief isn't going to be just zapped from your brain. It will be removed by an obvious revelation of Jehovah's existence. That doesn't remove free will. Only by having that knowledge can one truly make a free will decision. The determining factor isn't belief or unbelief bur rather obedience or disobedience. Belief is required for either one.
So if belief is required for either
obedience or disobedience, and Jehovah's explicit revelation will not remove free will, and that having that knowledge is the only way one can make a truly free willed decision...
Honestly I can't believe I just have to ask this given what you're saying above, but, like, why doesn't Jehovah just straight up revel himself now?
Like, provide this obvious revelation
, say, 1800 years ago?
We shouldn't even be having these discussions about the existence of god or the existence of Jehovah, Jstwebbrowsing. You seem to recognize that Jehovah's obvious presence would not itself be a violation of free will. You seem to recognize that belief in the existence of Jehovah is a necessary prerequisite in the process of forming the free willed choice to follow him or not.
Either you are very explicitly calling atheists a bunch of liars or you do not actually agree with the things you say above. Or you readily acknowledge that Jehovah is actually an asshole and bad, immoral entity. I dunno.
Christ's time on earth was a preview of Judgement Day. It was a time of judgement for Israel. Note those that Christ condemned were all believers. He came to teach the unbelievers. Note that some of the Gentiles (unbelievers) were called righteous in the scriptures (Romans 2:13-16). I think it would be foolish to paint all unbelievers with the same brush.
k but you recognize that unbelievers are implicitly incapable of even making the decision to obey or disobey Jehovah.
What seems to make the final decision is a person's willingness to do good. "Not all those saying 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom ....... only those doing the will of God..."
Does that have any relationship to obedience? And what is the relationship between belief in the existence of god and obedience? Refer to your own words above if necessary.
Consider an illustration from the scriptures. A man says to his son, "Go work in my vinyard." The son says yes but does not go to work. The man says to another son, "Go work in my vinyard." The son says no but then goes to work. Which son did the will of his father?
Did any of those sons lack belief in the existence of their father?
If someone says, "I believe in God", but does not do the things required by God, he is like the first son. If someone says "I don't believe in God", but then does the things required by God, they are like the second son.
Do you understand what lacking a belief in the existence of god entails?
What does it mean to be obedient? Can you legitimately - earnestly and honestly - be obedient to a will that is not your own without first actually believing that will actually exists
Those with a desire to do good will find God.
Did you just tell me I don't desire to do good?
The big question is do you do the good that you know to be good? If you use your knowldege that you do have to do good, more will be added to you. If you don't use the knowledge that you do have then no more will be added. And to whom much has been given much will be expected.
With Adam and Eve it wasn't a question of knowledge. It was a question of their willingness to obey God.
Well there is still a component of knowledge involved here, is there not? I mean, at a bare minimum, one has to know that god wanted to be obeyed
This can be trivialized, but it was of paramount importance because of their ignorance.
Ignorance of what precisely?
Their life depended on their willingness to accept Jehovah's guidance because without it they are left groping in ignorance.
They possessed a little knowledge and little was expected. But without a willigness to obey, giving them more knowledge was pointless.
This is just stupid Jstwebbrowsing. Little was expected, and then the sum totality of all of creation was corrupted in response to their actions based on little knowledge
Still today humans are groping in ignorance. Until humans become all knowing we will always be ignorant. Ignorance can lead to disaster.
Well shit I know a great solution there - provide knowledge
I'm hitting myself with how stupid and backwards you are sounding right now Jstwebbrowsing. (literally I slapped my forehead quite hard)
Problem: Entity A possess insufficient knowledge to overcome the ignorance that holds them back.
Solution: Actively withhold knowledge so that Entity A will...eventually possess sufficient knowledge to overcome their ignorance.
Without a willingness to accept guidance, God's input is useless and he's not going to go around digging us out of the holes we dig for ourselves. He will let us suffer the consequences of our actions.Our
actions? My friend, I wasn't in the garden of Eden, and neither were you.