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HERE'S SOME INFO!!! [#1878]
« on: October 04, 2009, 07:39:58 PM »
Christ Died For Our Sins

By David J. Stewart

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures (1st Corinthians 15:3,4). It is Jesus Christ who died on the cross for sinners, NOT mother Mary or Allah. Muslims dont even believe that Jesus died on the cross yet deceitfully claim that we all worship the same God—NO WE DO NOT! Allah is a non-existent god. Allah is the god of people who know not the Lord. Howbeit then, WHEN YE KNEW NOT GOD, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods (Galatians 4:8 ). It is the unsaved who serve false and lifeless gods.

Jesus Has the Scars

The Scriptures proclaim that Jesus Christ died on the cross! Buddha CANNOT save your soul because Buddha did not die on the cross for you. Buddha does NOT have the nailed scarred hands that Jesus has. Jesus was nailed to the cross, not Buddha. Mary was NOT nailed to the cross for you. Confucius was NOT nailed to the cross. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the PRINT OF THE NAILS, and put my finger into the PRINT OF THE NAILS, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and MY GOD (John 20:25-28). Thomas wanted to see Jesus scars. The reason Thomas wanted to touch Jesus side was because Jesus had been pierced with a spear by a Roman soldier while hanging from the cross. When Thomas saw and felt the scars in Jesus hands and feet and His side, he properly recognized Jesus as his Lord and God. Do you properly recognize Jesus? Do you see Him with His scars? Do you realize that He died for you because He loves you and wants you to be in Heaven with Him for all eternity? Yes, Jesus does! Jesus Christ is a person, just like you and me. He is full of compassion and understanding, a friend at all times.

Sin Brings Death

For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 6:23). The Bible teaches that it is our sin that brings death. How then could Christ die? The answer is simple, had Jesus not been murdered by His own people, He would have lived forever. Adam would have lived forever had he not sinned, but he did and death was the ultimate consequence. Jesus was perfect in every way, without sin! Jesus was crucified as a criminal for a crime He did NOT commit. He died for you and me, the righteous for the unrighteous. We all deserve to go straight to Hell for our own wickedness—If you dont agree, then you have not been at the feet of Jesus.

Jesus Paid For Our Sins Because He Loves Us

"But we see JESUS, who was made a little lower than the angels FOR THE SUFFERING OF DEATH, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should TASTE DEATH FOR EVERY MAN" (Hebrews 2:9). Jesus willingly went to the cross as a falsely accused wrongdoer to pay for the sins of the world. Its hard to imagine that God incarnate (in the flesh) was crucified by us human beings. Nevertheless; Jesus was beaten, spit upon, mocked, stripped naked and nailed to a tree. Perfection was hated and rejected by mankind, Christ was crucified. God did this for you and me because He loves us and wanted to express that love to us. How could any intelligent person reject such a wonderful Savior and God?

Notice from the verse we just read that Jesus was MADE a little lower than the angels. In other words, God became a mortal man. Why? The verse tells us, ...for the SUFFERING OF DEATH. Jesus came to earth, born of a poor family. Joseph and Mary were too poor to afford a lamb for sacrifice so they offered up two birds instead, And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons (Luke 2:24). Jesus could not come to the earth as a mighty King if He was to die on the cross. If Christ had come in power and might, he would have made a lot of phony friends. The Jews had misinterpreted the Old Testament and were anticipating a great King. No, rather, Jesus needed to come to earth as a humble servant... Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, HE HUMBLED HIMSELF, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross (Philippians 2:5-8). Jesus is equal with God because He is God. God came to the earth in the form of God and in the fashion of a man. When people beheld Jesus, they beheld God in the flesh. However, He was humble with a meek and lowly Spirit about Him, Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls (Matthew 11:29). What a wonderful Savior!

How often do people picture God as a mean Ogre up in Heaven with a big stick just waiting for us to mess up. Some people are terrified of God and think God is judging them every time they sneeze or break a leg. Listen to this encouraging verse found in the Old Testament book of Jeremiah... For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of PEACE, and not of evil, to give you an expected end (Jeremiah 29:11). God wants you to have peace more than you want to have peace. God thinks no evil thought toward you. Satan tries to make us think that God hates sinners; on the contrary, it is Gods love for sinners that causes Him to hate sin. God hates sin because it ruins peoples lives! Sin destroys! Sin separates! Sin breaks up families! Sin brings shame and guilt! It is sin that God hates, and not the sinner. God may be angry with sinners, but He doesn't hate them.

Oh that people would realize that God loves humanity! Jesus is a great Guy. How many people do you know who'd be willing to die for you? Jesus did. Dont listen to the Devil or foolishly develop your own preconceived ideas about Jesus—spend time with Jesus yourself and get to know Him in His Word. Dont just read your Bible, study and learn it! Ask yourself, what is God trying to tell me in this passage? ... How can I apply this truth to my life? ... How can I please God more in my daily life? Pray and ask the Holy Spirit of God to open the eyes of your understanding and to guide you into the truth of Gods Word. No one can make the truth work for you, you have to apply it to your own life!

Jesus Died Once For All

For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if ONE DIED FOR ALL, then were all dead (2nd Corinthians 5:14). There is a heresy going around which teaches that Jesus only died for the saved, this is a lie. The Bible teaches the truth that Jesus Christ died for ALL because ALL were dead in trespasses and sins. If a person dies in their sins and goes to Hell, their gift of eternal life will rot in Heaven. All of mankinds sins have been paid for by Christ at the Hill of Cavalry in Jerusalem. This is where Jesus hung on a cross and paid the great price. Jesus paid for the sins of the vilest wretched sinner and all that sinner needs to do to be saved is to admit their sin and turn to Christ in faith for the forgiveness of sins, believing that Christ and Christ alone will save.

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Re: HERE'S SOME INFO!!! [#1878]
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 08:17:50 PM »
I reject substitutionary atonement.  I do not let others die in my place, as I consider it immoral to do such a thing.

As far as I'm concerned, the whole crucifiction scenario is a scathing indictment of an unjust and fictional god that values the balancing of cosmic ledgers above the suffering of sentient beings.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 08:23:56 PM »
If you have no thoughts and opinions of your own, why should I take your recommendations for reading material?
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Re: HERE'S SOME INFO!!! [#1878]
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2009, 08:32:52 PM »
Jesus was imaginary.  There is no sin to die for.  You are one sad confused individual.  Grow a pair and stand on your own two feet.
Yo, put that in your pipe and smoke it.  Quit ragging on my Lord.

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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2009, 08:55:29 PM »

If you are to look up the term scapegoat, you'll see that it is rooted in sacrifice.

The scapegoat was a goat that was driven off into the wilderness as part of the ceremonies of Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, in Judaism during the times of the Temple in Jerusalem. The rite is described in Leviticus 16.

Since this goat, carrying the sins of the people placed on it, is sent away to perish [1], the word "scapegoat" has come to mean a person, often innocent, who is blamed and punished for the sins, crimes, or sufferings of others, generally as a way of distracting attention from the real causes.

The point here is that the goat, or animal is used to absorb whatever various sins and is sent off to die, or just killed.
Blame the goat.

Sacrifice is just a more abreviated version of this.  The animal metaphorically absorbs sins, usually if the animal is more valuable (A bull rather than a goat, a 'perfect' specimen rather than an old or lame one) is would be considered a better sacrifice.  This sacrificing, or scapegoating would be to appease whatever anger the gods, or god had toward a group.  The Christian bible is filled with many examples of sacrifice to please their god.  History, in fact is also full of examples.

What would have more sacrificial value than a human?  A pure human.

We see that societies would frequently try to skirt this purity theme by sacrificing alternatives such as captured warriors, or even servants.
When it comes to value though, the virgin is the gold standard.  A pure, beautiful virgin.

In ancient Hawai'i, a luakini temple, or luakini heiau, was a Native Hawaiian sacred place where human and animal blood sacrifices were offered.

In Hawaiian mythology, luakini heiaus were first established by Pa'ao, a legendary priest credited with establishing many of the rites and symbols typical of the stratified high chieftainships of the immediate pre-European-contact period. Modern archaeologists no longer believe in a historic Pa'ao, but many Native Hawaiians still believe that he was a historical figure, and often vilify him for introducing what they now see as the bloody, barbarous rites of the luakini heiau.
or a modern sect
Where it is considered illegal by the provincial government, who in a case of staggering irony executes those convicted of human sacrifice. (note:Virtually all state sacrifices are carried out in a ritualistic manner)

What we don't see though, is people eating their sacrifices.
The scapegoats are not cooked and eaten, the bulls are not barbecued and handed out.

The idea here is that the animal has absorbed the sins and transgressions and when they die they take them along.
If you were to eat the scapegoat you'd be just eating the sins and transgressions of the group and thus worse off than before.  You'd be cursed so to speak.

Then along came Jesus.

Jesus represents the perfect metaphorical sacrifice.

Pictured: Metaphor.  Seriously.

Pure and virginal, check.
Valuable (son of god), check.
Human, yep.

So, Jesus, representing the perfect storm of metaphorical value for sins absorbs not just the guilt and sin of those around him but apparently the sin of all mankind and is killed.  When he dies he takes all this sin with him and mankind is forgiven.
pictured: Cracker or wafer of flesh?
Then it gets weird.
Remember the part about not eating the sacrifice because it means also eating the absorbed sin?
Well it turns out that one religion does that regularly, through the ritual magic performed weekly called transsubstantiation.  Whether the believers think that the crackers and wine are literally transformed, or metaphorically transformed, or merely a metaphor what they are doing flies in the face of the entire concept behind sacrifice.

Even today we can see that the basic idea and metaphorical wishful thinking behind the mechanism of sacrifice remains.  What we see though, is an odd throwback via the Catholic church, and in a way Christianity where the supposed benefactors are requred to 're-sorb' the sacrifice.

Pictured above: Resorbing about to occur?

Don't you find it somewhat odd that your entire religion hinges upon the brutal slaughter of a virgin?
Don't you find it somewhat odd that the thing you find most holy is, in fact something that just an outline description of merits the description of "evil"?

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