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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #87 on: September 05, 2008, 12:12:14 PM »
I love uni!  It took me a while to muster the courage to try it, but wow!

If pre-fab food was so readily available from a designer, why did humans waste all those millennia hunting and gathering?  Was holding bananas ever really so imperative that our hands should be designed especially to do this, even at the expense of all the other beneficial tasks they could be designed for?
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #88 on: September 05, 2008, 02:49:30 PM »
I understand where they are coming from, but it does not prove a thing. It is however an interesting coincidence.

Cows are also good to eat, but they do not have a convenient pull open tab.

I was not defending the Kirk Cameron bunch. Apes eat bananas too. Anything that fit's so well into your hand and smells so good would be quite appetizing to a primitive human.

My point is that they do not take it further and stop short of fully explaining themselves. This discredits them even more. In a way I do agree with them, but their approach is silly at best.


I mean, the same could be said about our lungs being "designed" to absorb oxygen into our blood. 
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2008, 03:06:14 PM »
I like how the male prostate gland is "designed" to swell up in later years and turn cancerous, necessitating risky and painful surgery that can lead to impotence and/or incontinence.  Go God!
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #90 on: September 05, 2008, 03:17:45 PM »
I love uni!  It took me a while to muster the courage to try it, but wow!

If pre-fab food was so readily available from a designer, why did humans waste all those millennia hunting and gathering?  Was holding bananas ever really so imperative that our hands should be designed especially to do this, even at the expense of all the other beneficial tasks they could be designed for?

I haven't worked up the courage to try it, what does it like? I love other types of sushi.
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #91 on: September 05, 2008, 03:22:29 PM »
I understand where they are coming from, but it does not prove a thing. It is however an interesting coincidence.

Cows are also good to eat, but they do not have a convenient pull open tab.

I was not defending the Kirk Cameron bunch. Apes eat bananas too. Anything that fit's so well into your hand and smells so good would be quite appetizing to a primitive human.

My point is that they do not take it further and stop short of fully explaining themselves. This discredits them even more. In a way I do agree with them, but their approach is silly at best.


I mean, the same could be said about our lungs being "designed" to absorb oxygen into our blood. 


wild bananas aren't so appealing  ;D

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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #92 on: September 05, 2008, 03:28:40 PM »
Facts are meaningless.  You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.

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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #93 on: September 05, 2008, 03:40:08 PM »
I understand where they are coming from, but it does not prove a thing. It is however an interesting coincidence.

Cows are also good to eat, but they do not have a convenient pull open tab.

I was not defending the Kirk Cameron bunch. Apes eat bananas too. Anything that fit's so well into your hand and smells so good would be quite appetizing to a primitive human.

My point is that they do not take it further and stop short of fully explaining themselves. This discredits them even more. In a way I do agree with them, but their approach is silly at best.


I mean, the same could be said about our lungs being "designed" to absorb oxygen into our blood. 


wild bananas aren't so appealing  ;D



Ewww. Funny too. Clap clap.  :D

So the ones we have now are not wild natural ones? Makes sense actually.
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #94 on: September 05, 2008, 03:41:05 PM »
Facts are meaningless.  You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.

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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #95 on: September 05, 2008, 03:42:36 PM »
I haven't worked up the courage to try it, what does it like? I love other types of sushi.

It's creamy and cold, about the consistency of pudding.  It has a savory, slight shellfish flavor but very subtle, not strong.  Hard to describe.  I've never tasted anything like it.  Put all preconceptions out of mind and try it as a completely new experience.  You won't be sorry!  Report back to us when you are in ecstasy :)

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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #96 on: September 05, 2008, 03:48:09 PM »
Nihilanth,

This is a remarkably ignorant statement.  You should refrain from saying things like this.  You have no reason to think you possess enough knowledge to make this statement.  You know you have insufficient life sciences background to make such a declaration, so why don't you just back down now?  I'm holding the door open for you to take a step back and recognize that you are simply repeating something you may have heard somewhere else, but that you don't really have the understanding necessary to back it up.  I suggest you take this opportunity.

Since I'm re-quoting, I'll go ahead and throw back to this one, which just got demonstrated true again.

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Durrr.  I'm going to talk about bananas and human morphology, even though I really don't know anything about either one.  I like talking.

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Durrr.  I'm going to talk about the effect of chemicals on living things, even though I really don't know anything about chemistry or biology.  I like talking.
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #97 on: September 05, 2008, 04:23:24 PM »
I haven't worked up the courage to try it, what does it like? I love other types of sushi.

It's creamy and cold, about the consistency of pudding.  It has a savory, slight shellfish flavor but very subtle, not strong.  Hard to describe.  I've never tasted anything like it.  Put all preconceptions out of mind and try it as a completely new experience.  You won't be sorry!  Report back to us when you are in ecstasy :)

It also looks like a yellow tongue.  I'd describe the flavor as deep, mild, and buttery.
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #98 on: September 12, 2008, 10:04:31 AM »
I think God created the Universe, even the Bible says it.

"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth" (BANG!)

[Genesis 1:1]

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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #99 on: September 12, 2008, 11:07:58 AM »
I think God created the Universe, even the Bible says it.

"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth" (BANG!)

[Genesis 1:1]

Simple

What a terrific and compelling post.  You have added so much to this conversation that every forum member should come and thank you for it. You have enriched all of our lives significantly.  We owe you a debt of gratitiude.

What other stupid, unsupportable and biased opinions would you be willing to share with us?





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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #100 on: September 12, 2008, 01:52:19 PM »
I think God created the Universe, even the Bible says it.

"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth" (BANG!)

[Genesis 1:1]

Simple

What a terrific and compelling post.  You have added so much to this conversation that every forum member should come and thank you for it. You have enriched all of our lives significantly.  We owe you a debt of gratitiude.

What other stupid, unsupportable and biased opinions would you be willing to share with us?







Well at least I am not the only one you are rude and insulting to Screwtape. Thanks for not singleing me out.
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #101 on: September 12, 2008, 01:54:02 PM »
You're not worth singling out, sheeple.

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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #102 on: September 12, 2008, 02:01:06 PM »
Crawl back into your hole DaveDave. Like I have said, even your own kind do not like you.
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #103 on: September 12, 2008, 02:10:33 PM »
They don't like you either.  Should that matter?

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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #104 on: September 12, 2008, 02:21:21 PM »
You're not worth singling out, sheeple.

Hope the irony in this statement is intensional.  ;D
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #105 on: September 12, 2008, 02:47:35 PM »
Well at least I am not the only one you are rude and insulting to Screwtape. Thanks for not singleing me out.

Do you think that post was worthy of respect, steve?  If so, why?  What did it add to the conversation?

As I've said before, steve, I do not actually have a grudge against you.  That is only in your mind.
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #106 on: September 12, 2008, 03:34:10 PM »
Well at least I am not the only one you are rude and insulting to Screwtape. Thanks for not singleing me out.

Do you think that post was worthy of respect, steve?  If so, why?  What did it add to the conversation?

As I've said before, steve, I do not actually have a grudge against you.  That is only in your mind.

Then I apologize for the misunderstanding. You do certainly appear rude though. However, after considerable thought, maybe it's just a personality clash, or cultural difference.

I have no interest in any conflict with you.






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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #107 on: September 15, 2008, 11:36:46 AM »
I think God created the Universe, even the Bible says it.

"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth" (BANG!)

[Genesis 1:1]

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I think a cow licking ice/sex between deities/wiggling snake-deity created the universe 'cause a story says it was so.  Do you now understand how your story is no different than these?
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #108 on: September 15, 2008, 11:40:56 AM »
I think God created the Universe, even the Bible says it.

"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth" (BANG!)

[Genesis 1:1]

Simple

I think a cow licking ice/sex between deities/wiggling snake-deity created the universe 'cause a story says it was so.  Do you now understand how your story is no different than these?

I am not shakaib, but I feel comfortable speaking for him on this question. 

No.

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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #109 on: September 23, 2008, 05:26:23 AM »
Even the Qur'an says god made the universe:

"He created the Heavens and the Earth from nothing". And very Scientifically said too.

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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #110 on: September 23, 2008, 08:02:01 AM »
Even the Qur'an says god made the universe:

"He created the Heavens and the Earth from nothing". And very Scientifically said too.

What do you mean "even"? 

How is that "scientifically" said?

You represent your stupid religion only slightly better than amro fadly when you say things like this.
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« Reply #111 on: September 23, 2008, 09:27:19 AM »
Even the Qur'an says god made the universe:

"He created the Heavens and the Earth from nothing". And very Scientifically said too.

even the "fill-in-the-blank with any holy book" says that "x" deity made the universe.  Until you can show me where the Qu'ran says anything about accretion, radioactive heating, etc, your claim that is is "scientific" is nonsense.   Anyone can claim that their holy book is "scientific" when they say that a myth is "really" scientific words disguised by their invisible friend.   
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« Reply #112 on: September 26, 2008, 02:17:32 PM »
Even the Qur'an says god made the universe:

"He created the Heavens and the Earth from nothing". And very Scientifically said too.

even the "fill-in-the-blank with any holy book" says that "x" deity made the universe.  Until you can show me where the Qu'ran says anything about accretion, radioactive heating, etc, your claim that is is "scientific" is nonsense.   Anyone can claim that their holy book is "scientific" when they say that a myth is "really" scientific words disguised by their invisible friend.   

So all the archaeological digs that were done because of the bible should just be ignored then? Guess what? It does not have to fit your definition of "science."
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #113 on: September 26, 2008, 09:06:27 PM »
So all the archaeological digs that were done because of the bible should just be ignored then? Guess what? It does not have to fit your definition of "science."

So you're agreeing with Shakaib that the Quran is scientific?  How broad-minded of you.
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #114 on: September 27, 2008, 07:47:18 AM »
even the "fill-in-the-blank with any holy book" says that "x" deity made the universe.  Until you can show me where the Qu'ran says anything about accretion, radioactive heating, etc, your claim that is is "scientific" is nonsense.   Anyone can claim that their holy book is "scientific" when they say that a myth is "really" scientific words disguised by their invisible friend.   

So all the archaeological digs that were done because of the bible should just be ignored then? Guess what? It does not have to fit your definition of "science."


That is quite a leap, Pos, to go from what velkyn said - holy books do not accurately describe anything scientific - to what you said.  That is a giant non sequitur.
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Re: A fine tuned universe.
« Reply #115 on: September 27, 2008, 09:22:04 AM »
So all the archaeological digs that were done because of the bible should just be ignored then? Guess what? It does not have to fit your definition of "science."

So you're agreeing with Shakaib that the Quran is scientific?  How broad-minded of you.

There are all kinds of mathematical truths in the Quran. Plenty of scientific truths in the bible as well. I just call it how I see it.

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