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What is your religious position?

gnostic atheist - I know for certain that there are no gods.
159 (16.5%)
gnostic monotheist - I know for certain that only one specific god exists.
94 (9.7%)
gnostic polytheist - I know for certain that there is more than one god.
4 (0.4%)
gnostic pantheist - I know for certain that that everything is god.
12 (1.2%)
gnostic deist - I know for certain that there is a god that started the universe but does not actively meddle with it or us.
6 (0.6%)
agnostic atheist - I do not know for certain, but I think there are no gods.
279 (28.9%)
agnostic monotheist - I do not know for certain, but I think only one specific god exists.
21 (2.2%)
agnostic polytheist - I do not know for certain, but I think there is more than one god.
4 (0.4%)
agnostic pantheist - I do not know for certain, but I think that everything is god.
24 (2.5%)
agnostic deist - I do not know for certain, but I think there is a god that started the universe but does not actively meddle with it or us.
36 (3.7%)
ignostic atheist - While the concepts of god(s) are meaningless, it is likely that there are no gods.
87 (9%)
ignostic monotheist - While the concepts of god(s) are meaningless, it is likely that only one specific god exists.
2 (0.2%)
ignostic polytheist - While the concepts of god(s) are meaningless, it is likely that there is more than one god.
1 (0.1%)
ignostic pantheist - While the concepts of god(s) are meaningless, it is likely that that everything is god.
10 (1%)
ignostic deist - While the concepts of god(s) are meaningless, it is likely that there is a god that started the universe but does not actively meddle with it or us.
7 (0.7%)
apnostic atheist - I don't care if there are any gods, but I guess there are no gods.
37 (3.8%)
apnostic monotheist - I don't care if there are any gods, but I guess only one specific god exists.
1 (0.1%)
apnostic polytheist - I don't care if there are any gods, but I guess there is more than one god.
0 (0%)
apnostic pantheist - I don't care if there are any gods, but I guess that everything is god.
7 (0.7%)
apnostic deist - I don't care if there are any gods, but I guess there is a god that started the universe but does not actively meddle with it or us.
7 (0.7%)
Any type of henotheist - There (may be/is only) more than one god, but I think of only one specific god.
6 (0.6%)
I am a god!  [checks self in mirror and grins]
82 (8.5%)
Missionary.
30 (3.1%)
So! Many! Choices! (Karma Sutra)
50 (5.2%)

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #667 on: March 25, 2014, 09:10:24 AM »
It has wisely been brought to my attention ...

You act like a dick and get Darwined TWICE for it.  wtf is wrong with people?
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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #668 on: March 25, 2014, 09:46:50 AM »
I was tempted to add "Please don't Karmalize me for this" but that sounded too egotistical.

You have my full permission to remove those two +1's, screwtape. My being a dick should not be overlooked simply because I was accidentally adroit at apologizing. I certainly appreciate those who saw my sincerity, but I don't need the plaudits that bad. Not at my age.

Added: I only saw two. There have been hundreds. Use you judgment  ;D

Added after jdawg: I meant to say there MAY have been hundreds, but that was probably a Freudian slip. I shan't touch it.
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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #669 on: March 25, 2014, 09:50:36 AM »
I was tempted to add "Please don't Karmalize me for this" but that sounded too egotistical.

You have my full permission to remove those two +1's, screwtape. My being a dick should not be overlooked simply because I was accidentally adroit at apologizing. I certainly appreciate those who saw my sincerity, but I don't need the plaudits that bad. Not at my age.

Added: I only saw two. There have been hundreds. Use you judgment  ;D

I was this close to +1ing this post for the irony factor.
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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #670 on: March 25, 2014, 10:31:10 AM »
You have my full permission to remove those two +1's, screwtape.

Hell no I won't.  I don't censor karma.  If someone thought you were worthy of it, who am I to negate that?  I'm just pissy because I'm jealous.  And for that I must humbly apologize to you, this community, the internet as a whole and the universe in general.[1]

Karma's funny.  I occasionally write a post and think "wow, that was flipping brilliant.  I can hardly believe I wrote something that good."  And it gets zero Darwins.   I write an off hand comment I consider nothing more than chit-chat, and it gets three.  It makes no sense, I tells ya.  But dems da berries.  Karma is a cruel and fickle mistress.

My being a dick should not be overlooked...

It wasn't.  Someone pointed it out to you, you admitted it and I just called you a dick.  So, overall, your dickitude was duly noted and well documented.

Go forth, young man.  You are absolved.


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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #671 on: March 25, 2014, 10:33:33 AM »
I should be karmalized for being a dick and having one.

j/k

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #672 on: April 09, 2014, 08:47:29 AM »
I am a Born Again Christian.  To my understanding of the Holy Bible I believe that God is very real indeed.  I believe also that there is satan who God BigG knows and calls god littleg = the god of this world not of the World to come.  He is some control of things ( as God does allow)  However little g's time is short considering what he will get in the end along with his people.  God ( big G) never meant for the world to end up like this instead satan and some people want hate instead of LOVE because I know from experience that God ( Big G) is LOVE.  I am not here to convince anyone of anything.  I am only here to share my beliefs.  I also do believe that IF God on any given person, moment is Very Capable of healing anyone of anything.  But not so that you can force Him to prove Himself to you who hate Him anyway.

That's all I really had on my Heart.  Who knows maybe someone has the same view and needed some reassurance.  I share in Him amen JESUS IS LORD ~ GOD IS LOVE

I must add that my opinion and yours will not matter in the end IF there really is God.

I am happy that God rescued me from deep of the deep delusions that I was taught as a child and young adult.  Really I should have been dead or in jail but GOD!

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #673 on: April 09, 2014, 09:00:33 AM »
Hi I Believe

Welcome to our forum. 

Your post was informative, but did not answer the question.  Please read the Original Post of this thread.  If you like, you can answer again with the proper context in mind. 

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #674 on: April 10, 2014, 10:19:30 AM »
I count myself as a very-nearly-gnostic theist, of the Christian sub-category. I suppose I would write that I am fully convinced that there is a g/God and that is is the God of the Bible. For me there are certain arguments which point to God existing (though I'll not mention those for a bit as they almost invariably start long conversations/arguments), but for me the main thing is that the best explanation of what went on in Israel 2000 years ago is that there was a bloke called, "Jesus" and he was who he claimed to be (as reported in the NT and Tacitus).

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Re: What is your religious position? (Now with *Henotheism!* ... hmmm.)
« Reply #675 on: April 10, 2014, 10:23:18 AM »
I hate to pick nits, but as I have said in other threads, I'm a bit anal about one point: agnosticism is not "I do not know", but rather "It is impossible to know".  I am an agnostic atheist: It is impossible to know for certain whether a god exists, but I don't believe there is one.
Isn't that using the term "agnostic" in one of two possible ways. A good number of people use "agnostic" to mean "I don't know" rather than "It is impossible to know". That's one reason why I prefer the term "weak atheist" rather than "agnostic atheist". "Gnostic" is also ambiguous, particularly at the start of a sentence where it has to have a big "G" as it may also refer to the Gnostics of old, e.g. those who claimed to also be Christian during the 2nd century AD onwards.

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #676 on: April 10, 2014, 10:43:02 AM »
Agnostic, I thought was what the Greek says, not knowing' but apparently that's not the case. The Wikipedia entry confirms the idea that it implies that something cannot be known. Certainly it is true that the fact that there is not a god could not be proved - unless some specific characteristics make this possible - and it is highly likely that the existence of a god cannot be proved due to the usual god being reticent about communication and action. So I suppose that leaves everyone, pretty much, in the same boat - we don't know either way but we are not agnositics! What fun! atheists and theists with the same problem!
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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #677 on: June 27, 2014, 05:42:06 PM »
I voted for agnostic atheist  :police:

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #678 on: August 15, 2014, 11:30:14 AM »
gnostic monotheist . 93 pple with me. Where are they!? :)
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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #679 on: August 15, 2014, 11:36:49 AM »
gnostic monotheist . 93 pple with me. Where are they!? :)

I turned one of them into an atheist. Which gives me a much higher success rate than Lourdes can claim. I'm a miracle.

The rest apparently decided that they had better things to do than be told that they're wrong all day long.

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #680 on: October 11, 2014, 11:51:23 AM »
There should have been another category: Christian Deist.

I believe in God without a doubt. I think Jesus was a historic person. I'm not sure about all the other stuff i.e. the miracles, born of a virgin, 12 disciples, resurrection, ascension, etc. Believing in God, I believe God could do all that but we just don't have the historic evidence to say with assurance that it happened and so we have to go agnostic on that part of it.

Being a Deist, I believe that God created the universe and then set natural laws into motion that govern everything. He keeps a distance and has his spirit guides, angels, enlightened spirits, etc to do His work.

NDE's have proven there is consciousness after death. There is no satan, demons, etc. nor is there a fiery hell. Everybody on this earth is on a path to enlightenment that continues after death on a series of upward planes, the first of which is the astral where most of us go after dying.

That is my position in a nutshell.

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #681 on: October 11, 2014, 12:02:57 PM »
NDE's have proven there is consciousness after death.

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #682 on: October 11, 2014, 12:31:03 PM »
Welcome to the forum, Seeker_of_Truth. While most of us here clearly disagree with you in the relevant areas of religion, I suspect our conversations may be much more interesting than if you were merely another fundamentalist.

Your statement that you think that god did it, even if he wasn't the god of the bible, and your contention that NDE"s have been proven may well lead to some heady conversations.

You have to post a few times in other threads like this one before you can start your own discussions, but it will be fun to talk with you about stuff that doesn't include floods, jesus or creation science. Plus your POV on NDE's and what they do or don't prove always makes for interesting conversation. I personally think it would be cooler than hell to continue existing after I kick the bucket, but since I haven't found the universe responding to my personal preferences in any other arena, so I'm not gonna get my hopes up on this one.

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #683 on: October 11, 2014, 12:54:31 PM »
Demons don't exist but angels do? You don't believe in Jesus but you still want to call yourself a "Christian"?

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #684 on: October 11, 2014, 12:57:10 PM »
There should have been another category: Christian Deist.

I believe in God without a doubt. I think Jesus was a historic person. I'm not sure about all the other stuff i.e. the miracles, born of a virgin, 12 disciples, resurrection, ascension, etc. Believing in God, I believe God could do all that but we just don't have the historic evidence to say with assurance that it happened and so we have to go agnostic on that part of it.

Being a Deist, I believe that God created the universe and then set natural laws into motion that govern everything. He keeps a distance and has his spirit guides, angels, enlightened spirits, etc to do His work.

NDE's have proven there is consciousness after death. There is no satan, demons, etc. nor is there a fiery hell. Everybody on this earth is on a path to enlightenment that continues after death on a series of upward planes, the first of which is the astral where most of us go after dying.

That is my position in a nutshell.

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for being fairly explicit about your religious / supernatural views. Hope to see you around.
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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #685 on: October 11, 2014, 04:36:31 PM »
There should have been another category: Christian Deist.

I believe in God without a doubt. I think Jesus was a historic person. I'm not sure about all the other stuff i.e. the miracles, born of a virgin, 12 disciples, resurrection, ascension, etc. Believing in God, I believe God could do all that but we just don't have the historic evidence to say with assurance that it happened and so we have to go agnostic on that part of it.

Being a Deist, I believe that God created the universe and then set natural laws into motion that govern everything. He keeps a distance and has his spirit guides, angels, enlightened spirits, etc to do His work.

NDE's have proven there is consciousness after death. There is no satan, demons, etc. nor is there a fiery hell. Everybody on this earth is on a path to enlightenment that continues after death on a series of upward planes, the first of which is the astral where most of us go after dying.

That is my position in a nutshell.

 Hi ST, it looks like you have put a lot of effort into ordering your thoughts in a rational way. This is never easy to do on your own as you probably know the easiest person to fool is yourself. That is why a site like this is so useful. There are plenty of wonderfully good thinkers on this site who keep me focused and they will do the same for you. Just to show you that others can spot your mistakes more easily than you can, I will start you off with this. You accept the evidence of NDE's but not demons or Hell. Well, you should know that one of the commonest forms of NDE is being tortured in Hell, so you are still choosing what you want to be true. That is one small piece of irrationality right there.

Now about those natural laws, have you thought they were invented by people and only exist on paper, as the saying goes? That saying really needs to be updated to - " and exist on computer". Those man made laws are only approximations to the flow of chaos which you call the universe. The universe is actually hostile to order and it is only by chance that humans temporarily exist within it. But don't let that worry you too much.
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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #686 on: October 12, 2014, 10:41:42 AM »
All of the conversation yesterday evening on the elements in the ocean assembling seems to have disappeared. Was it censured?

If it was offensive I bow to the administration's decision to ban it. No problem. I won't resume it if that's the decision.

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #687 on: October 12, 2014, 11:38:00 AM »
The discussion was relocated to another thread: http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,27502.0.html

I suspect the mod who moved it simply forgot to make note of the new location. Go ahead and resume the discussion, there's several new replies.
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« Reply #688 on: October 12, 2014, 11:53:00 AM »
Thank you, Jag.    :)

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« Reply #689 on: October 13, 2014, 09:03:57 AM »
I suspect the mod who moved it simply forgot to make note of the new location. Go ahead and resume the discussion, there's several new replies.

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #690 on: October 27, 2014, 08:47:25 PM »
1 you re looking for the answer in christian beliefs
2 according to the Quran God wanted to man kind find him with natural evidence and and through out the aprox 124 000 prophets
3 God almighty is able to make this world is heaven but did not want to cos He wanted to create heaven and hell and fill both with human kind so this world and amputees too are all for test to believe in one God and His prophets (judging this is meaningless)
4 you most say easily God does not exist but
if so there is one option that the universe is eternal there is no beginin of it this is imposible cos if it is this world must be already gone
5 you re looking for proof for existence of God
hubble discovered the universe is expanding in 1929 1500 yrs old Quran says that the universe is expanding
big bang is most acceptable theory of the begining of the universe right
its on Quran too

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #691 on: October 27, 2014, 09:32:41 PM »
you atheists
how can you explain
1 scientific methods (observation experiment and repeat)
how can a chemist or physicist  tell every h2o is water? while they have not test all H and O elements in the universe?
dont you see that is a belief that there is a system in the universe that runs?
you usually call it laws of nature,,,,,,how nature can rule (consciousness)
2 can you show observable evidence for  darwinist evolution of changing KINDS one to another?
If none is not it just a belief?
3 consciousness? its not in the brain scientist says cos our body works as an computer and computer does not have consciouness
is a biological cell or iphone more complex structure?
if you find ipone on jupiter would you think it randomly exist or someone put it there?
how can you explain symmetry on wings of butterfly and on flowers

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #692 on: October 27, 2014, 10:07:45 PM »
1 you re looking for the answer in christian beliefs
I suspect it seems that way largely because the majority of the theists on this forum are Christian (or wear the Christian label but aren't actually Christian, depending on who you ask).

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2 according to the Quran God wanted to man kind find him with natural evidence and and through out the aprox 124 000 prophets
What's up with so many prophets?  That seems arbitrary to me.  Is it, like, based on demographic distribution or something?  There need to be like x number of prophets per non-prophets at any given point in time?

Are you going to claim that the Quran represents the inspired word of god?  I think there are a few Christians around here that a) accept that a god entity does, in fact, exist and b) do not accept that the Quran represents the inspired word of god.  It may not be quite so high of a climb to convince them - those that share your belief that god does, in fact, exist, has a vested interest in human affairs, and communicates cosmically, infinitely important information via episodic strings of poetry penned in languages that were destined to become obsolete.

That way, those of us who do not share this belief that god does, in fact, exist, can get a glimpse of how non-violent conflict resolution of claims regarding our shared objective reality works among those of religious tendencies.

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3 God almighty is able to make this world is heaven but did not want to cos He wanted to create heaven and hell and fill both with human kind so this world and amputees too are all for test to believe in one God and His prophets (judging this is meaningless)
Umm...yeah, I'm going to go ahead and judge the above as meaningless.  I think you may need to unravel this point more.  It's messy and confusing.

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4 you most say easily God does not exist but
if so there is one option that the universe is eternal there is no beginin of it this is imposible cos if it is this world must be already gone
Yeah...no I don't follow this either.  If the universe is eternal, that means it had no beginning, which is impossible because if it had no beginning it must be already gone?

Nope.  Really, I don't follow.

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5 you re looking for proof for existence of God
hubble discovered the universe is expanding in 1929 1500 yrs old Quran says that the universe is expanding
Well that's pretty cool.  What was the Quran's estimate of the rate of expansion?  We've still got some holes in inflation theory - don't suppose the Quran has a few tests we could run to give us some insight into those, does it?

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its on Quran too
What did the Quran estimate the magnitude of the CMWB to be?
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« Reply #693 on: October 27, 2014, 10:14:25 PM »
cloverleaf, welcome

You don't have all the answers either. The difference is that your religion pretends, while our lack of religion accepts the many unknowns a bit more casually.

I don't have to explain the symmetry of a butterfly. It requires no explanation. The problem is that your religion (well, all religions) limits your world so much that you find yourself marveling at everything around you,thinking it amazing when it is in fact rather mundane. You are crediting your god credit when is irrelevant. And you are condemning humans to a million useless deaths merely because being right is more important that being, you know, right.

If all you want are more enemies, here we are. Sorry I don't babble like, you, but nonsense isn't my first language.

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Offline Jag

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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #694 on: October 27, 2014, 10:42:33 PM »
you atheists
how can you explain
1 scientific methods (observation experiment and repeat)
how can a chemist or physicist  tell every h2o is water? while they have not test all H and O elements in the universe?
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Stop right there. Before you start complaining that scientists haven't tested every single molecules in the universe, we should make better sense of your god hypothesis.

So far, you appear to lack a good grasp of basic science. You want to ignore evidence and replace tested and supported observations of how the world actually works with what amounts to "magic" or "mystery" or "faith" - all because of cultural influences and a book.

I'll take science and you can keep your book - but you're being a hypocrite by pretending the scientific method is somehow lacking value while using technology created as a result of a great deal of applied science. You want the benefits without having to concede that it's far more reliable than your god.
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Re: What is your religious position?
« Reply #695 on: October 27, 2014, 10:47:39 PM »
"I don't have to explain the symmetry of a butterfly. It requires no explanation"
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