Why do you keep calling me dishonest, Agent40? It's a serious allegation, and I don't see what I've done to deserve it.
I am very sorry, Gnu. In hindsight I realized I was taking my frustration on being unable to better communicate my point out on you. I apologize.
I still think you are missing my point in the whole bulimia example and would like to try this one more time.
Way to miss the point. What happened to the instinctive innate appreciation of immorality? If mankind possessed such an instinct in regard to bulimia, why did it take another 2000 years to even name this disorder?
(By the way, I just discovered that the idea that the Romans built vomitoria to vomit in is incorrect. I've corrected my previous post (in red) and linked to an explanation. Apologies to all).
I believe your link actually helps my point. Did you read the entire article? Bulimia wasn’t as rampant as you originally stated and I love how the author of the article went on to say . . .
“I could only find one pre-Internet article in a medical journal ("Erotic Vomiting," Archives of Sexual Behavior, 1982), which calls it "a previously unreported aberration." A quick on-line search suggests emetophilia has a long way to go before it catches up with Japanese tentacle porn.”
Apparently, atleast in 1982, the act of eating and purposely vomiting was considered an aberration. This was my point. The author in the article you linked was basically saying why vomiting for pleasure has not gained societal acceptance and doesn’t think it will catch on any time soon. Her comments clearly indicate, she as others, see it as disordered. She is using humor in her article and I find that very telling. She is obviously pointing out the absurdity of the practice. Gee, as if we all innately know such behavior is backwards.
Order is not the same as intent. Intent requires someone to to do the intending. Order isn't evidence of such a person. This is the argument from Intelligent Design, which you assert over and over again, as if it were a fact. It isn't. I asked you before to start a thread and defend the idea, but you prefer to simply assert it.
We’ve discussed this at length, Gnu. You and I both know I could never prove with certainty my position regarding this matter, but that certainly does not mean it doesn’t exist. In fact, I’ve asked you before your opinion on whether you think design can exist without a designer. I was curious if you thought that were possible and something that could be argued. And if it is, then design does not necessarily imply a master designer.
Chronic gastric reflux after eating
Dehydration and hypokalemia caused by frequent vomiting
Electrolyte imbalance, which can lead to cardiac arrhythmia, cardiac arrest, and even death
Esophagitis, or inflammation of the esophagus
Oral trauma, in which repetitive insertion of fingers or other objects causes lacerations to the lining of the mouth or throat
Gastroparesis or delayed emptying
Enlarged glands in the neck, under the jaw line
Calluses or scars on back of hands due to repeated trauma from incisors
The frequent contact between teeth and gastric acid, in particular, may cause:
Severe caries (bone destruction)
Perimolysis, or the erosion of tooth enamel
Look, I don’t wish to diminish the condition of bulimia, but first of all, have you ever considered the fact that bulimia is accompanied with negative side effects means something? Is that not something that should cause us to say, huh? The body does not react kindly when a person uses it in an incorrect manner? Shouldn’t man do those things that are in his best interest to do? Wouldn’t it be wrong to engage in behavior that is not in our best interest and may cause us harm? You really don’t think that the obvious connection of harmful effects is directly a result of doing something the person shouldn’t be doing? Again, this was more the point I was attempting to make the first time.
As I said, objective harmful effects. Where's a comparable list for the hamful effects of homosexuality?
I can’t believe I didn’t find this excellent article earlier. I hope you will all take a look . . .
Homosexuality and the Truth: Is it Just Another Lifestyle?
by Alan P. Medinger www.exodusglobalalliance.org/isitjustanotherlifestylep35.php
I realize this is a personal testimony, but I ran across it and it moved me. Perhaps it will move you as well . . .
Cartoonist Knows Harmful Effects of ‘Gay Parenting’ www.cwfa.org/articles/445/CFI/cfreport/index.htm
HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR A NATIONAL PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE? www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive17.htm
If there is a correlation between homosexuality and for example depression, that is explicable in terms of homosexuals being marginalized, oppressed, persecuted and often criminalized by mainstream society. That's what causes depression, not homosexuality itself.
There is NO proof of such remarks and I have linked research indicating otherwise. Please prove such statements. Thank you.
Do you or your children ever chew gum, Agent40? Please stop. It's immoral and a sin, which you should confess to your priest. Your teeth were designed for the purpose of eating good nourishing food - not for chewing a non-nourishing substance just because you like the taste and feel of it, and then spitting it out. That's a sin.
I think this is a poor analogy. The mouth is being used as it was intended. Infact, I think there are even vitamins that come in the form of gum – so actually I am nourishing my body while gum chewing. The reason bulimia is wrong is the body was intended to receive food via the mouth and into the digestive system in order for it to nourish us. If a person needs help with that ordered process, he certainly may obtain so via feeding tubes, but this is only allowing for the proper use of the body to be completed – it doesn’t try to change the function of the body. Nor does gum chewing try to change any kind of bodily process. I still think you are missing the point here.
Bulimia attempts to alter/change the correct way the body was designed to work. You disagree that there is a correct function of the body? You don’t believe there is a proper order taking place within the body (the taking in of food, digestion, excretion)?
Now, a final question for you. If it were thought that there were no harmful effects from eating food and then vomiting it up, would you therefore think there would be nothing wrong with doing so? In other words, are you telling me that if there were not negative effects accompanied with bulimia you would consider it just another appropriate way to control one’s weight and gain greater pleasure out of life?