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An even better question.. cause yours sucks.
« on: August 04, 2009, 11:53:52 PM »
Try this out..
If God did heal and amputee.. Would you believe in him then?.. I am going to bet, NO. Let's say he did and you do believe in him after that. Who is going to believe you? This world full of doubters wouldn't. What would have been the purpose. Sure there are medical records, but your not going to make anyone believe with that. They will think you are crazy.

Here is another one..What if God wants us to figure it out for ourselves.. After all he did give us lizards to study..He also gave us the smarts to study it.. If he didn't give us obstacles to face, how would we learn to push through them and figure them out..Life is not about hand outs.

I think you are under the impression that you have come up with this awesome new idea that would debunk God. Your wrong. You couldn't be further from debunking him. All you have done is tried to convince the world that you have a point, and you don't.

If you really want to help Amputees, and care about a solution, get a degree and help.. other wise you are just a lazy back seat driver, and nobody cares to listen. You have an agenda, and it's not to help.. it's to flame.
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2009, 12:01:26 AM »
I'll bite.

Consider the following;

1. The Christian Bible has promises in it.

2. The promises are said to be kept in ambiguous situations.

3. The promises are not kept in unambiguous situations, such as but not limited to amputees.

The potential conclusions are;

1. The book is wrong, but the Christian deity exists.

2. The book was right, but the Christian deity no longer honors the book though it could.

3. The book was right, but the Christian deity no longer honors the book because it can't.

4. The book is not relevant to the questions it raises because the Christian deity doesn't exist.

5. The book is not relevant to the questions it raises because some other deity or deities exist, not the Christian one, and that deity or deities don't honor what they did not sign up for.

6. The book is not relevant to the questions it raises because some other deity or deities exist, not the Christian one, and that deity or deities do honor similar promises to those who pray to them or offer some other communication or gift as a bribe for the miracle.  (Example: Hindu miracles.)

I'm going with #4.  Do you have anything that would sway me to another choice?
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2009, 12:03:19 AM »
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Try this out..
If God did heal and amputee.. Would you believe in him then?.. I am going to bet, NO. Let's say he did and you do believe in him after that. Who is going to believe you? This world full of doubters wouldn't. What would have been the purpose. Sure there are medical records, but your not going to make anyone believe with that. They will think you are crazy.

I find it funny your idea of healing an amputee apparently involves it being done in secret with no documentation of the events in question.  If we could see amputees being healed, and it was documented and repeated, then no one would be able to reasonbly doubt its occurance.


The rest of the post is just flaming, and does nothing to address the question.
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2009, 12:07:01 AM »
Well.. none of that has to do with the question of, Why God doesn't heal the Amputee.. It is a tactic to discuss why you don't believe in a God. If this website is about.. I don't believe in God.. then it is named incorrectly.

As I have said.. Could he not allow us to learn to heal it ourselves? He has given us abilities to learn many other things, and we have done a fine job at following the creatures that live on this planet for solutions.. So why can't we learn to regenerate skin/bone from what he has left us on earth?

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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2009, 12:10:03 AM »
stupid flanders...
Jamie: I understanding these things [SCUBA tanks] have about a million—or actually, it's 1.3 million—pounds of explosive force. I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds like a lot.

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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2009, 12:11:13 AM »
Well.. none of that has to do with the question of, Why God doesn't heal the Amputee..

Mine does.  Disagree?  Show me how it doesn't.

I've done my work.  Will you?
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2009, 12:12:12 AM »
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Try this out..
If God did heal and amputee.. Would you believe in him then?.. I am going to bet, NO. Let's say he did and you do believe in him after that. Who is going to believe you? This world full of doubters wouldn't. What would have been the purpose. Sure there are medical records, but your not going to make anyone believe with that. They will think you are crazy.

I find it funny your idea of healing an amputee apparently involves it being done in secret with no documentation of the events in question. If we could see amputees being healed, and it was documented and repeated, then no one would be able to reasonably doubt its occurrence.


The rest of the post is just flaming, and does nothing to address the question.

If he healed your arm.. would it be on live TV? Does it need to be? or are you just wanting to point out that he exists to everyone? Like you are the person who brought God to the world..
I mean are you after a miracle or trying to prove a point to the world?

as for the rest you call "flaming" It does everything to address the question. If you have an agenda, as you obviously do.. It would have everything to do with why you were asking it.. I can't help if you don't understand how that has everything to do with it.

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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2009, 12:13:50 AM »
Well.. none of that has to do with the question of, Why God doesn't heal the Amputee..

Mine does.  Disagree?  Show me how it doesn't.

I've done my work.  Will you?

Your post has more to do with your issue with God's existence, not his reasoning for healing amputees.. What work needs to be done?.. Read your post, and I hope that you can figure that one out.

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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 12:16:29 AM »
Well.. none of that has to do with the question of, Why God doesn't heal the Amputee..

Mine does.  Disagree?  Show me how it doesn't.

I've done my work.  Will you?

Your post has more to do with your issue with God's existence, not his reasoning for healing amputees.. What work needs to be done?.. Read your post, and I hope that you can figure that one out.

That's part of it, yet the first 3 items directly address the issue you talk about, followed by the potential conclusions based on that.  Do you have a comment on those or not?

May I recommend that if you are an honest broker in these discussions, and not interested in fire without light, that you take more time in addressing the comments of others instead of your current pace?
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 12:22:19 AM »
I don't need time to address a site that is obviously more about not believing, than in answering a question of faith. I'll take your questions, but I can tell you already.. Your going to have to be more specific..

1. The Christian Bible has promises in it. Yes it does.. Can you be more specific?

2. The promises are said to be kept in ambiguous situations. There are a lot of promises.. Can you be more specific?

3. The promises are not kept in unambiguous situations, such as but not limited to amputees.  More specific? which promises?

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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2009, 12:25:13 AM »
Try this out..
Ok, I'll take a shot.

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If God did heal and amputee.. Would you believe in him then?.. I am going to bet, NO. Let's say he did and you do believe in him after that. Who is going to believe you? This world full of doubters wouldn't. What would have been the purpose. Sure there are medical records, but your not going to make anyone believe with that. They will think you are crazy.

If the person claimed that Allah, or Zeus healed them, what would be your first reaction?
"Oh, my gosh, I've been wrong all this time, Zeus really is real!"
Or something a bit different?


Whatever your reaction is, mine would be one of skepticism.  If indeed some amputee did get fully and magically healed (as in a whole leg popped right back on then for sure I'd be curious and want to know the truth.

Lets face it though, magic could have any number of sources other than your religion.
If, however it was your god, and we were able to show conclusively that it was your god and no other then by definition I'd have to believe that your god existed.

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Here is another one..What if God wants us to figure it out for ourselves.. After all he did give us lizards to study..He also gave us the smarts to study it.. If he didn't give us obstacles to face, how would we learn to push through them and figure them out..Life is not about hand outs.

I think you are under the impression that you have come up with this awesome new idea that would debunk God. Your wrong. You couldn't be further from debunking him. All you have done is tried to convince the world that you have a point, and you don't.
Ok, lets use some of those smarts.
What is the handbook for your god.
I'll go ahead and guess that it's the bible.  Is the bible accurate? Does it contain anything that can't be found outside of it, or has never been done before?

No, no and again; no.

This might surprise you but most atheists are perfectly aware that the idea of god cannot be proven, or disproven.
It is impossible to prove or disprove a supernatural, invisible, and non-interactive being.  I know that, and most others know that too.  What we can do is look at the definitions of that being, lets call it 'god' for now.  The more we define something the more we can check to see if that definition matches what we see in the real world.  Back to your bible.  Nope, what we see there don't match up with what we see in the real world.


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If you really want to help Amputees, and care about a solution, get a degree and help.. other wise you are just a lazy back seat driver, and nobody cares to listen. You have an agenda, and it's not to help.. it's to flame.

I think Hermes has some videos of mankind stepping up to the plate and getting the job done while your god fails.
(cue german double arm amputee transplant)

As for having an agenda.  I can't speak for others, but I have one.  I want people to use their critical thinking skills more.
You should try using yours.

For example: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2009, 12:35:16 AM »
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If he healed your arm.. would it be on live TV? Does it need to be? or are you just wanting to point out that he exists to everyone? Like you are the person who brought God to the world..
I mean are you after a miracle or trying to prove a point to the world?

... and you've completely ignored the parts about "documentation" and "repeated".
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2009, 12:36:53 AM »
Try this out..
Ok, I'll take a shot.

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If God did heal and amputee.. Would you believe in him then?.. I am going to bet, NO. Let's say he did and you do believe in him after that. Who is going to believe you? This world full of doubters wouldn't. What would have been the purpose. Sure there are medical records, but your not going to make anyone believe with that. They will think you are crazy.


If the person claimed that Allah, or Zeus healed them, what would be your first reaction?
"Oh, my gosh, I've been wrong all this time, Zeus really is real!"
Or something a bit different?


Whatever your reaction is, mine would be one of skepticism.  If indeed some amputee did get fully and magically healed (as in a whole leg popped right back on then for sure I'd be curious and want to know the truth.

Lets face it though, magic could have any number of sources other than your religion.
If, however it was your god, and we were able to show conclusively that it was your god and no other then by definition I'd have to believe that your god existed.

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Here is another one..What if God wants us to figure it out for ourselves.. After all he did give us lizards to study..He also gave us the smarts to study it.. If he didn't give us obstacles to face, how would we learn to push through them and figure them out..Life is not about hand outs.

I think you are under the impression that you have come up with this awesome new idea that would debunk God. Your wrong. You couldn't be further from debunking him. All you have done is tried to convince the world that you have a point, and you don't.
Ok, lets use some of those smarts.
What is the handbook for your god.
I'll go ahead and guess that it's the bible.  Is the bible accurate? Does it contain anything that can't be found outside of it, or has never been done before?

No, no and again; no.

This might surprise you but most atheists are perfectly aware that the idea of god cannot be proven, or disproven.
It is impossible to prove or disprove a supernatural, invisible, and non-interactive being.  I know that, and most others know that too.  What we can do is look at the definitions of that being, lets call it 'god' for now.  The more we define something the more we can check to see if that definition matches what we see in the real world.  Back to your bible.  Nope, what we see there don't match up with what we see in the real world.


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If you really want to help Amputees, and care about a solution, get a degree and help.. other wise you are just a lazy back seat driver, and nobody cares to listen. You have an agenda, and it's not to help.. it's to flame.

I think Hermes has some videos of mankind stepping up to the plate and getting the job done while your god fails.
(cue german double arm amputee transplant)

As for having an agenda.  I can't speak for others, but I have one.  I want people to use their critical thinking skills more.
You should try using yours.

For example: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

Sorry, I just ROFL pretty good on that.. Critical thinking? was it?
Your first part proves, you have no faith, and even if God came down and performed your miracle, you still wouldn't believe.. what's the point? If it takes that much convincing then why have you in heaven in the first place? you would be miserable!! Ever think that is why they have a hell? so you will not be so misrable? LOL

Is the bible accurate?  sure it is.. just because you don't believe in it's message doesn't make it one of the greatest history book ever written, and studied to this day.

My God doesn't fail. You fail at recognizing his work.. That doesn't make him a failure.. and of course this has nothing to do with your question.. it is simply your way of skirting it.. "Let's talk about God's existence.. not God's willingness to heal"

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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2009, 12:38:19 AM »
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If he healed your arm.. would it be on live TV? Does it need to be? or are you just wanting to point out that he exists to everyone? Like you are the person who brought God to the world..
I mean are you after a miracle or trying to prove a point to the world?

... and you've completely ignored the parts about "documentation" and "repeated".

Why does it need to be repeated? its not science.. IT'S A MIRACLE!!! that doesn't give it a copy right for others to bottle up and reuse..

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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2009, 12:45:06 AM »
Look you guys are obviously fronting this website for an atheist party.. and that is fine, but if you are going to make it a site for atheist thinking, don't ask a question that is belief in nature. If you are asking why God doesn't heal an amputee, that would mean you believe in a God, and you have faith that there is a possibility. Stop using a belief reasoning to lure in people for a group of non believers, that is low even for an atheist.

And if you can't live with the fact that God has given us the abilities to one day create a solution for amputees, then nothing is really going to help you with your question. I however feel the question is loaded and not meant to really be answered. Critical thinking this is not!! If there is a possible solution, then one must consider it.. This site doesn't want that.. That is not critical thinking. That is just being pig headed.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2009, 12:50:49 AM »
Look you guys are obviously fronting this website for an atheist party.. and that is fine, but if you are going to make it a site for atheist thinking, don't ask a question that is belief in nature. If you are asking why God doesn't heal an amputee, that would me you believe in a God, and you have faith that there is a possibility. Stop using a belief reasoning to lure in people for a group of non believers, that is low even for an atheist.

And if you can't live with the fact that God has given us the abilities to one day create a solution for amputees, then nothing is really going to help you with your question. I however feel the question is loaded and not meant to really be answered. Critical thinking this is not!! If there is a possible solution, then one must consider it.. This site doesn't want that.. That is not critical thinking. That is just being pig headed.


1.murder ?
2.bigotry ?
3. i don't see how any of this is critical, i don't even understand how critical and god could even be in the same sentence
4. your calling us low yet your bull baiting us here with troll tactics... Err your point ? 
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2009, 01:00:23 AM »
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If he healed your arm.. would it be on live TV? Does it need to be? or are you just wanting to point out that he exists to everyone? Like you are the person who brought God to the world..
I mean are you after a miracle or trying to prove a point to the world?

... and you've completely ignored the parts about "documentation" and "repeated".

Why does it need to be repeated? its not science.. IT'S A MIRACLE!!! that doesn't give it a copy right for others to bottle up and reuse..

God doesn't want to help people, or show that he exist, it seems.
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2009, 01:02:41 AM »
Look you guys are obviously fronting this website for an atheist party.. and that is fine, but if you are going to make it a site for atheist thinking, don't ask a question that is belief in nature. If you are asking why God doesn't heal an amputee, that would me you believe in a God, and you have faith that there is a possibility. Stop using a belief reasoning to lure in people for a group of non believers, that is low even for an atheist.

And if you can't live with the fact that God has given us the abilities to one day create a solution for amputees, then nothing is really going to help you with your question. I however feel the question is loaded and not meant to really be answered. Critical thinking this is not!! If there is a possible solution, then one must consider it.. This site doesn't want that.. That is not critical thinking. That is just being pig headed.


1.murder ?
2.bigotry ?
3. i don't see how any of this is critical, i don't even understand how critical and god could even be in the same sentence
4. your calling us low yet your bull baiting us here with troll tactics... Err your point ? 


It is sad if you haven't gotten my point by now.. That just mean your not reading..

Once again your wanting to take it off topic.. murder,bigotry.. have nothing to do with the question this website is centered around.. And knowing that we have gotten this far into the thread and you still have no concern over debating the question of amputees.. Then it become overly obvious that you don't want to talk about why God heals some and not others.. You just want to address God's existence.. That would be a completely different message than, why he doesn't heal.. low even for an atheist..!!  Since this is not a debate over what the website is centered around.. and more on the case of God's existence I know I am wasting my time. I can't save your soul.. no man can.. That is God's doing. If you don't allow his presence.. That is between you and him.. He isn't going to rape your soul and make you believe.. That's not how it works.. So on that note.. I will stop wasting my time on an atheist site.. Good luck gentlemen.

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Re: An even better question.. cause yours sucks.
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2009, 01:15:28 AM »
Homer,

You seem to be doing little more than emotional ranting here and that is simply not conducive to a rational, productive discussion.  I would advise that you stop posting for a bit and take some time to read over the forum rules, Notes for New Members, Forum Etiquette Guide and the Introduction for Christians.

I've gone ahead and quoted a piece of the etiquette guide that seems particularly suitable in your case:

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Be courteous.
Contribute positively to the discussion.
Stay on topic!
Respond to questions addressed to you.
Frame your comments in a way that engages with your readers.
Present your comments in a clear fashion. (Avoid individualistic "distinctive styles".)
Learn to use the forum functions properly - especially QUOTE tags.

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Flame other forum members.
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Overextend yourself.

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Resurrect 'dead' threads.
Post one-liners, "me-too" posts or posts consisting solely of comic images.

Your current approach to the discussion is hostile and reflects poorly on you, your credibility and your faith. If you expect forum members to respect your views then you need to change your tone. I hope you will give it a try.

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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2009, 01:37:30 AM »
Ok, either you're being dense, or intentionally dishonest.
lets see if I can explain this a bit more at your level.


Sorry, I just ROFL pretty good on that.. Critical thinking? was it?
Your first part proves, you have no faith, and even if God came down and performed your miracle, you still wouldn't believe.. what's the point? If it takes that much convincing then why have you in heaven in the first place? you would be miserable!! Ever think that is why they have a hell? so you will not be so misrable? LOL
Ok, these two guys are out in the woods and suddenly an arm pops back on.
(with a bonus water bottle because I was in a hurry)



Was it Allah, Zeus, Jesus, Xenu, Satan, Rah, Brahmin, Budha, or E.T. the friendly extra terrestrial?
How can you know?

I know that you are biased, but lets pretend for just a moment that you have a brain, and understand the point I'm making here.
All that stuff about hell is irrelevant.

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IT WAS YOUR PERSONAL GOD?
Remember, anything that you might choose to use to exclude other gods must be applied to your own.
Now, tell me how you'd know, and more importantly how you'd know it wasn't one of the others.

People of other faiths have been claiming miracles for just as long, longer in fact than christians.  Sadly they all fail the empirical test.
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Miracles in India
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Is the bible accurate?  sure it is.. just because you don't believe in it's message doesn't make it one of the greatest history book ever written, and studied to this day.
Ok, show me somewhere the bible is accurate.
Give me something that I can check out that's in the bible that can be corroborated using real world evidence.

Here is something that you can work with.  It's true.  I don't need to believe in something for it to be true.
By that same measure just because you do believe in something doesn't make it true.

If you've got facts on your side, then it doesn't matter what I believe right?
Show me.

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My God doesn't fail. You fail at recognizing his work.. That doesn't make him a failure.. and of course this has nothing to do with your question.. it is simply your way of skirting it.. "Let's talk about God's existence.. not God's willingness to heal"

Your god is a huge failure, even by your own bible he's a failure.
Your book is full of contradictions and examples of your diety acting petty, childish and cruel.  An epidomy of ancient pagan gods honestly.
Even if you were to take your Jesus at face value, he's a massive failure too, given that the supposed message was confined to a small part of the mediteranean for a long time, and thus doomed uncountable humans to an eternity in hell.
Edit: removed hell reference.  As I said, it's irrelevant.
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Re: An even better question.. cause yours sucks.
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2009, 01:46:40 AM »
That is hysterical! I especially like the eyes...
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2009, 02:52:38 AM »
Well.. none of that has to do with the question of, Why God doesn't heal the Amputee.. It is a tactic to discuss why you don't believe in a God. If this website is about.. I don't believe in God.. then it is named incorrectly.

Try these links.
http://www.godisimaginary.com/
http://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com/

For me, it wouldn't take god healing just one amputee.  god would have to heal amputees on some consistent, if random, basis.  Kind of like how he now cures some fortunate folks of cancer, while ignoring the pleas of other, seemingly deserving, patients.  Kind of like how he helped a man I once knew stop smoking, but ignores the plights of 25,000 children who die every day from malnutrition, and preventable and curable diseases.


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Re: An even better question.. cause yours sucks.
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2009, 04:01:45 AM »
Try this out..

I have a slightly different angle than the others, so I will post another reply... even though it seems you have left.

If God did heal and amputee.. Would you believe in him then?.. I am going to bet, NO.

I think something like this would make it around the world in a huge media storm. I can visualise the headlines. "Girl grows back stump arm! True miracle observed!".

If something of this magnitude happened, I don't think I would immediately attribute it to God and become a Christian the same day, but I would surely rethink my atheist views. This would have been a true miracle, and it would make me entirely open to a spiritual and religious life.

You see, as an atheist I don't hate the very thought of religion. On the contrary, I would love it if there was a God and he watched over us and protected us. Who wouldn't want something like that?

But I don't think that is the case. I think there is no God, mostly because I have never seen or experienced anything to support the idea.

The believers talk about miracles all the time. Someone claim they experience it all the time. "I prayed to God, and through a miracle he answered my prayers". Yet these are always "invisible" miracles. Medical miracles that aren't so easily verified. Subjective miracles where all we can rely on is the word of the person claiming to experience the miracle.

For me, these things are not enough. Especially since we have similar circumstances in other religions. Ancient books, invisible miracles and subjective experiences.

Here is another one..What if God wants us to figure it out for ourselves.. After all he did give us lizards to study..He also gave us the smarts to study it..
If you really want to help Amputees, and care about a solution, get a degree and help..

In fact, through science and research (and a fair deal of disregard for the Bible), humanity in her wisdom has discovered the awesome posibilites of stem cell research. This may open for medical breakthroughs beyond our wildest dreams.... yet some CHRISTIANS oppose it at every turn.

If they won't let us fix it ourselves, then their GOD better do something about it!
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2009, 04:42:05 AM »
Look you guys are obviously fronting this website for an atheist party.. and that is fine, but if you are going to make it a site for atheist thinking, don't ask a question that is belief in nature. If you are asking why God doesn't heal an amputee, that would mean you believe in a God, and you have faith that there is a possibility. Stop using a belief reasoning to lure in people for a group of non believers, that is low even for an atheist.

It's not exactly like we're trying to fool anybody.  The alternate name for the website is "God Is Imaginary".  The online book is all about atheism.  Obviously you didn't even bother to browse it.

Look, if I made a website called "Why Don't We Find A Leprechaun With A Pot Of Gold At The End Of The Rainbow", it doesn't mean that I believe leprechauns exist, nor does it mean I have faith that there might be leprechauns. 

It's a rhetorical question designed to point out the obvious observation that there aren't any, and to make you the reader think of possible reasons why that might be.

One possible reason might be that leprechauns don't exist.  Another reason might be that leprechauns are very sneaky deceitful creatures who run away with their gold whenever a human goes looking for them.

More than anything, the question generates discussion.  You can either maintain your accusing, hostile tone, or you can join in the conversation.  It's really your choice. :)

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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2009, 08:06:20 AM »
I don't need time to address a site that is obviously more about not believing, than in answering a question of faith. I'll take your questions, but I can tell you already.. Your going to have to be more specific..

1. The Christian Bible has promises in it. Yes it does.. Can you be more specific?

2. The promises are said to be kept in ambiguous situations. There are a lot of promises.. Can you be more specific?

3. The promises are not kept in unambiguous situations, such as but not limited to amputees.  More specific? which promises?

Yes I can in all those cases.

Does this mean we can we have a civil conversation?

If you are willing, then will you work with me and not require that I show evidence for obvious points or ones that you agree with when I bring them up?

If the answer is yes from you on both points, I will be glad to take your word for it and post details to each of the 3 points you ask for more details on.  I will also agree to do what it is I ask you to do; no hypocritically asking you for what I refuse to do myself.

How does that sound?

To be clear, the first question refers to the Bible specifically.  The other two deal with responses given by Christians about divine intervention.  The three are tied together; the first one as the promises, the second two as comments on how those promises are said to work themselves out in reality.
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2009, 08:36:22 AM »
Well.. none of that has to do with the question of, Why God doesn't heal the Amputee.. It is a tactic to discuss why you don't believe in a God. If this website is about.. I don't believe in God.. then it is named incorrectly.

As I have said.. Could he not allow us to learn to heal it ourselves? He has given us abilities to learn many other things, and we have done a fine job at following the creatures that live on this planet for solutions.. So why can't we learn to regenerate skin/bone from what he has left us on earth?

Well now you're making up your own god and aren't talking about the god of the bible.  That's fine, but you can't accuse us of not having faith in this deity when, before today, we didn't know anything about it.
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Re: An even better question.. cause yours sucks.
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2009, 08:57:54 AM »
Hey Homer...

I want to say welcome to the forum but it's hard to welcome someone who's just walked in like they own the place and put their feet on the table.

So let's try to have a rational discussion here.

You believe in God. You don't think he should be healing amputees because you think he has made a choice to remove that limb from them by causing it to happen. You don't think it would be useful for him to heal an amputee because we will be skeptical if it only happens once. You don't think he should repeatedly do it because it's a miracle and not science. You also think the bible is accurate.

Here's the catch. Have you ever prayed for anything? I'm willing to bet you have. Do you feel your christian god ever granted you what you were praying for?

If the answer is yes:  Why would he grant you something and not grant an amputee his prayer to regerate his/her limb?

If the answer is no: Why do you pray in the first place?

The bible says you can pray and ask god for things and he will grant them. Not so for amputees as we can clearly observe.
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Re: An even better question.. cause yours sucks.
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2009, 09:00:57 AM »
Try this out..
If God did heal and amputee.. Would you believe in him then?

With sufficient evidence and reason I will accept as true anything that matches that simple criteria.
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Re: An even better question.. cause your sucks.
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2009, 11:01:42 AM »
If, however it was your god, and we were able to show conclusively that it was your god and no other then by definition I'd have to believe that your god existed.

Sorry, I just ROFL pretty good on that.. Critical thinking? was it?
Your first part proves, you have no faith, and even if God came down and performed your miracle, you still wouldn't believe.. what's the point? If it takes that much convincing then why have you in heaven in the first place? you would be miserable!! Ever think that is why they have a hell? so you will not be so misrable? LOL

Well look here, you're the asshole for not even bothering to read my post.  Note my post above, and note your jerkass response below.
I doubt you have the intellectual honesty to answer my follow up post, but don't worry, it won't change my opinion of you if you don't.
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