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RE: illusion [#1535]
« on: July 05, 2009, 07:44:37 PM »

First of all,
This is HELL not an ILLUSION..
1) Prayer is NOT a coincidence
2) God in NOT imaginary?
3) You're talking a whole lot of rubbish

You have to understand that prayer does not work
by "coincidence" but FAITH.
If God IS imaginary... what is the explanation for the creation of the universe?
Suppose this big bang happened?? what did it come from??
How did an orgasm live before an ORGANISM was created?
How come no FABULOUS so-called SCIENTIST made their own world?

Im a christian. And in the bible it predicts that false prophesies and accusations
will be made against the FAITH of the CHRISTIANS.
I tell you WHOEVER the HELL you are.
That i feel SO SORRY for you..
1) because ur AMERICAN (its obvious because ur dumb)
2) because you aint got nothing to live for.

God made the WORLD... UNIVERSE..
and EVERY LIVING organism has a purpose to PRAISE him.

How bout this illusion for ya?
Scientist decided to challenge God that they're able to make everything that
he made...
So they made plants, cloned animals and eventually discovered
how to make a human (the most defined thing God made)
... God saw this and said to them
"well done... now go and create a human from your own materials"
Use nothing from the universe and start from nothing...
(not even oxygen)

...so explain to me...
Without the solar system, the earth and ALL the technology
how much can a SCIENTIST really do??

...So think about itt... becoz im sure next timee
u will be gaped mouth to how much i can debate
more like PROVE that this absolute rubbish and manipulation

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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2009, 07:47:19 PM »
If God IS imaginary... what is the explanation for the creation of the universe?

I don't know.

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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2009, 07:59:52 PM »
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...So think about itt... becoz im sure next timee
u will be gaped mouth to how much i can debate
more like PROVE that this absolute rubbish and manipulation

If you are so sure about that, join the forum. I know that you are going to get a link to this message from DL and if you DON'T join the forum I will just assume that you are full of shit and full of yourself.
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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2009, 08:26:04 PM »


How bout this illusion for ya?
Scientist decided to challenge God that they're able to make everything that
he made...
So they made plants, cloned animals and eventually discovered
how to make a human (the most defined thing God made)
... God saw this and said to them
"well done... now go and create a human from your own materials"
Use nothing from the universe and start from nothing...
(not even oxygen)


I'm sure any self respecting scientist would think this is as crazy as I do, why does god have to have anything to do with science?  Why are you so threatened by science?
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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2009, 08:28:08 PM »
If God IS imaginary... what is the explanation for the creation of the universe?

I don't know.
what creation?

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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2009, 08:32:08 PM »
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How come no FABULOUS so-called SCIENTIST made their own world?

Wow, what a stupid comment.

Seriously. How the hell would that happen. You obviously know jack shit about the big bang theory. It can't just be "made". It took a couple million years for the first galaxies to form. It took 9 billion for our solar system to form. It wasn't an over night thing. However science is learning more everyday about the early conditions of our universe.

Those SO CALLED scientists graduated from some of the most well, respected universities on earth.

Where did Kent Hovind get his PhD from again.

Ahh yes... Patriot University. What a joke college. Worst than clown college if you ask me...


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How bout this illusion for ya?
Scientist decided to challenge God that they're able to make everything that
he made...
So they made plants, cloned animals and eventually discovered
how to make a human (the most defined thing God made)
... God saw this and said to them
"well done... now go and create a human from your own materials"
Use nothing from the universe and start from nothing...
(not even oxygen)

Complete nonsense...
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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2009, 08:55:11 PM »

Suppose this big bang happened?? what did it come from??
How did an orgasm live before an ORGANISM was created?


Suppose this God happened.  What did it come from?
How did a God live before a GOD was created?


See?  I can do it, too.
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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2009, 09:16:25 PM »
1) because ur AMERICAN (its obvious because ur dumb)

Oh the irony
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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2009, 11:55:17 PM »
First of all,
This is HELL not an ILLUSION..

Let's say it does exist.  Let's say there is indeed a place of everlasting torture.  We mere mortals will never experience it -- nor a heaven or any afterlife.  Why?  See for yourself, and if you see any flaws, let me know;

No souls, no way to get to an afterlife
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1) Prayer is NOT a coincidence

I've read the studies that say it's ineffective.

I've seen claims of how powerful it is.

I've seen -- no healed amputees or any other unambiguous result from an earnest prayer.

If you know otherwise, you are free to show me that I am uninformed.  As I do not deny reality, I am earnest in hearing support for your conjecture.

2) God in NOT imaginary?
3) You're talking a whole lot of rubbish

Those issues could take up quite a bit of space.  Do you want to talk with me, or are you just asserting you are correct -- with no need to offer anything that would normally be provided for other (non-religious) claims?

You have to understand that prayer does not work
by "coincidence" but FAITH.
If God IS imaginary... what is the explanation for the creation of the universe?
Suppose this big bang happened?? what did it come from??
How did an orgasm live before an ORGANISM was created?
How come no FABULOUS so-called SCIENTIST made their own world?

What does the last part have to do with prayer?  There are plenty of Christians who are in the fields of biology and abiogenesis, as well as cosmology.  Do you discard their research and efforts -- even when they don't explicitly make comments that could be construed as approaching religion?

Im a christian. And in the bible it predicts that false prophesies and accusations
will be made against the FAITH of the CHRISTIANS.

I'm human.  Welcome to the club.

I ask from no more from your religious claims than I would ask you about other issues that we both would consider to be serious.

If that bar is too high for you, then you may want to reconsider why you don't have the ability to discuss your religion seriously with other people -- regardless if they agree with you initially or not.

I tell you WHOEVER the HELL you are.
That i feel SO SORRY for you..
1) because ur AMERICAN (its obvious because ur dumb)
2) because you aint got nothing to live for.

That's a set of odd statements.  Why do you say them?

God made the WORLD... UNIVERSE..
and EVERY LIVING organism has a purpose to PRAISE him.

Over 2/3rds of the humans on this planet disagree, and many of them follow a different deity.   See for yourself;

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html


The question to you is simple;

* Why your deity and not theirs?

How bout this illusion for ya?
Scientist

... including Christians and Hindus and Muslims and Buddhists who happen to be scientists ...

decided to challenge God that they're able to make everything that
he made...

Hold that thought.

So they made plants, cloned animals and eventually discovered
how to make a human (the most defined thing God made)

We're working on engineered lifeforms.  Search "synthetic life" for examples.  Craig Venter and his team are leading that effort currently.  Not bad from a group of creatures that still struggle to purge the evils of slavery from the planet.  (An evil your religious texts strangely condone often and condemn never.  Be honest about that, if not to me to yourself.  I've read your religious text so there's no point in denying it to me.)

... God saw this and said to them
"well done... now go and create a human from your own materials"
Use nothing from the universe and start from nothing...
(not even oxygen)

You speak for a god?  Is it difficult to get a job like that?

...so explain to me...
Without the solar system, the earth and ALL the technology
how much can a SCIENTIST really do??

As much as anyone.  Without those things, we aren't as we are if at all.

It's kinda a self-fulfilling situation.

...So think about itt... becoz im sure next timee
u will be gaped mouth to how much i can debate
more like PROVE that this absolute rubbish and manipulation

When you have something to offer beyond mere assertions that you know the mind of the universe, please let me know.

After all, if you do know the mind of the universe, then I'd like to know your method of discovering this to be a fact.

The floor is yours to show me you aren't just enraptured in dogma; that you have something beyond what the imams, and clerics, and priests, and preachers of non-Christian religions -- many older than yours -- have to offer.

Are you bragging about what you do not know?  Surprise me.  Show me you know something interesting.
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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2009, 12:16:49 PM »

First of all,
This is HELL not an ILLUSION..
1) Prayer is NOT a coincidence
2) God in NOT imaginary?
3) You're talking a whole lot of rubbish

These are a bunch of unsubstantiated claims. Please substantiate.

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You have to understand that prayer does not work
by "coincidence" but FAITH.

What does this mean? Please elaborate.

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If God IS imaginary... what is the explanation for the creation of the universe?

I don't know. And why do you use the word "creation?"

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Suppose this big bang happened?? what did it come from??

I don't know. Where did God come from?

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How did an orgasm live before an ORGANISM was created?

I don't think it can since it doesn't exist. But the more important question is why do you ask? Nobody ever claimed that an organism lived before it was created.

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How come no FABULOUS so-called SCIENTIST made their own world?

...What?

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Im a christian. And in the bible it predicts that false prophesies and accusations
will be made against the FAITH of the CHRISTIANS.

As do many other religious traditions. Nearly all of them say, "People are going to think you're crazy. They're wrong. And if they question your beliefs, they're bad and you need to ignore them." This isn't exclusive to Christianity.

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I tell you WHOEVER the HELL you are.
That i feel SO SORRY for you..
1) because ur AMERICAN (its obvious because ur dumb)

That was uncalled for and completely irrelevant. Is this Christian love you're showing right now?

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2) because you aint got nothing to live for.

To the contrary. I have everything to live for.

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God made the WORLD... UNIVERSE..
and EVERY LIVING organism has a purpose to PRAISE him.

Why?

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How bout this illusion for ya?
Scientist decided to challenge God that they're able to make everything that
he made...
So they made plants, cloned animals and eventually discovered
how to make a human (the most defined thing God made)
... God saw this and said to them
"well done... now go and create a human from your own materials"
Use nothing from the universe and start from nothing...
(not even oxygen)

...so explain to me...
Without the solar system, the earth and ALL the technology
how much can a SCIENTIST really do??

You're babbling. Please stop.

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...So think about itt... becoz im sure next timee
u will be gaped mouth to how much i can debate
more like PROVE that this absolute rubbish and manipulation

You have proven nothing. What stuns me is your overconfidence in yourself and your ability to make coherent, logical points.
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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2009, 01:49:25 PM »
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First of all,
This is HELL not an ILLUSION..
1) Prayer is NOT a coincidence
2) God in NOT imaginary?
3) You're talking a whole lot of rubbish
This is hell?  No, sorry, don't see it.  Sorry if your life is so bad that you find this world to be hell.  Perhaps if you did something about your life rather than pray? 
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You have to understand that prayer does not work by "coincidence" but FAITH. If God IS imaginary... what is the explanation for the creation of the universe? Suppose this big bang happened?? what did it come from?? How did an orgasm live before an ORGANISM was created? How come no FABULOUS so-called SCIENTIST made their own world?
How indeed does an orgasm live.  I suppose one could live for orgasms. 
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Im a christian. And in the bible it predicts that false prophesies and accusations will be made against the FAITH of the CHRISTIANS.
I tell you WHOEVER the HELL you are. That i feel SO SORRY for you..1) because ur AMERICAN (its obvious because ur dumb)
2) because you aint got nothing to live for.
Hmm, I'm an American and I can spell and use grammar as opposed to you. I mean, really, "ain't"? I do appreciate the cursing, it does show just how good a Christian you really are. I suppose a wannabee martyr must have something to shoot for. 
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God made the WORLD... UNIVERSE..
and EVERY LIVING organism has a purpose to PRAISE him.
not this living organism.  Or are you talking about orgasms again?  Then well, "oh God yes" is praise I suppose. 
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How bout this illusion for ya?
Scientist decided to challenge God that they're able to make everything that he made...So they made plants, cloned animals and eventually discovered how to make a human (the most defined thing God made) ... God saw this and said to them
"well done... now go and create a human from your own materials" Use nothing from the universe and start from nothing...
(not even oxygen)
I think you may mean "delusion" not illusion.  May I reply to God?  Ah yes God, you supposedly "own" all of the universe, but you require humans to actually do anything with it. So much for your supposed omnipotence. 
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...so explain to me...Without the solar system, the earth and ALL the technology how much can a SCIENTIST really do??
Scientists created technology.  If you do wish to claim that God somehow did, please tell me why God had to start with primitive tools and work its way up?
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...So think about itt... becoz im sure next timee u will be gaped mouth to how much i can debate more like PROVE that this absolute rubbish and manipulation
I am only mouth agape in awe of your amazing ignorance and total lack of writing skills. 

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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2009, 02:07:52 PM »
How did an orgasm live before an ORGANISM was created?


(I CANNOT believe no one has addressed this yet.  So, here I go.)

In order for there to be an "orgasm" there must first be an organism to experience this orgasm.  Where did you hear that there was an "orgasm" before there were any organisms?
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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2009, 02:10:06 PM »
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How come no FABULOUS so-called SCIENTIST made their own world?
All this from someone who most likely enjoys the benefits of science making his daily life easier.  Feel free to walk away from the benefits of science and go live in a grass hut somewhere.


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And in the bible it predicts that false prophesies and accusations will be made against the FAITH of the CHRISTIANS.
No, couldn't be.  You mean the bible writers allowed for those who would find their new religion ridiculous?  I have no doubt there were scoffers at the time this new religion was being formed.  Am I supposed to be impressed?  Is this supposed to validate your ridiculous holy book and the claims it makes?


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and EVERY LIVING organism has a purpose to PRAISE him.
Why would a perfect being care whether or not it is praised by every living organism?  A perfect being would not need it's ego stroked by a group of bipedal primates living on a blue speck of a planet orbiting a not so grand star at the edge of an ordinary spiral galaxy.  It's a ludicrous concept.
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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2009, 06:45:03 PM »
How did an orgasm live before an ORGANISM was created?


(I CANNOT believe no one has addressed this yet.  So, here I go.)

In order for there to be an "orgasm" there must first be an organism to experience this orgasm.  Where did you hear that there was an "orgasm" before there were any organisms?

I noticed this, but then I forgot to comment on it.   Do orgasms "live"?
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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2009, 09:43:05 PM »

First of all,
This is HELL not an ILLUSION..

Why do you choose to live in Hell?

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1) Prayer is NOT a coincidence

I agree. Coincidences have some merit to them, prayer has none.

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2) God in NOT imaginary?

Is this a question or a statement? Do you not know?

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3) You're talking a whole lot of rubbish

And you're not, how?

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You have to understand that prayer does not work
by "coincidence" but FAITH.

Which means prayer, by what you state, only works either "never", or "when you believe it has."

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If God IS imaginary... what is the explanation for the creation of the universe?

I have no clue how the Universe was created but that doesn't mean that some entity you like to call "God" is the creator of it; you have no evidence of this yet you state it must be a fact based on what? Oh, yeah: FAITH.

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Suppose this big bang happened?? what did it come from??

I think you mean "Where did it come from?" -- who said it had to come from anywhere?

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How did an orgasm live before an ORGANISM was created?

What?

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How come no FABULOUS so-called SCIENTIST made their own world?

Did you not take your medication this morning?

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Im a christian. And in the bible it predicts that false prophesies and accusations
will be made against the FAITH of the CHRISTIANS.

Really? Show me where in the Bible it says "Christian" anywhere?

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I tell you WHOEVER the HELL you are.
That i feel SO SORRY for you..

Feel sorry for yourself, you seem to need such pity more.

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1) because ur AMERICAN (its obvious because ur dumb)

So, this means that all Americans must be an Atheist or all Americans are "dumb", even the Christian ones? Man, you're so going to get support from the Christians here who are American.

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2) because you aint got nothing to live for.

You're the one that lives in "Hell", not me.

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God made the WORLD... UNIVERSE..
and EVERY LIVING organism has a purpose to PRAISE him.

Evidence? And, so, ants praise your deity?

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How bout this illusion for ya?
Scientist decided to challenge God that they're able to make everything that
he made...
So they made plants, cloned animals and eventually discovered
how to make a human (the most defined thing God made)
... God saw this and said to them
"well done... now go and create a human from your own materials"
Use nothing from the universe and start from nothing...
(not even oxygen)

Does your rambling have a point?

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...so explain to me...
Without the solar system, the earth and ALL the technology
how much can a SCIENTIST really do??

A lot more than something that seemingly doesn't exist.

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...So think about itt... becoz im sure next timee
u will be gaped mouth to how much i can debate
more like PROVE that this absolute rubbish and manipulation

You wouldn't last a day on this website against me let alone anyone else here, including the Christian Americans here.

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Re: RE: illusion [#1535]
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2009, 09:14:26 AM »
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How did an orgasm live before an ORGANISM was created?

I know how orgasms live. It's when the woman screams, "YES! OH, GOD YES!" ;D