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the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« on: August 08, 2009, 03:00:53 PM »
hi im a christian
im not that intelligent
but i do understand a few things about our postion toward God

this is about your 10 questions video
i would like to give you the real answers to your questions.

First of all you dont need answers to any of these questions
simply because he is God
He can do whatever he wants
he made this world
he made science
he can certainly go against the laws of what he made, cant he?

no excuses are need no rationalizations are needed, because he is God
you and I dont need to understand God, and we never will
he is soooo far above us
these questions do not need to be answered

but i will answer them


1) God doesnt have to heal anyone
God can heal who he wants to
He could have made the world, then destroyed it, or left it on its own
but he didnt
instead he died for us so we could be with him when we die
he choses to work with us because he is good
he heals some people
some people he doesnt heal
if he wanted to he could heal an ampute
* its His world, he decides what to do with it

2) God doesnt have to feed anyone
But he does
i dont know why one person staves and another doesnt
its up to God, whatever he decides

Another thing, sin came into the world
that's why bad stuff happens to people
before sin, the world was perfect
God let Adam and Eve choose weither or not they would obey him
they didnt.
he gave them a choice because he wanted them to love him
he could have forced them to love him, but love that is chosen is soo much better
he gives us a choice too
Jesus paid the punishment of your sins, you can choose to accept his gift or not accept it
the choice is yours


3) its not that God demands people to die
yes sometimes he told his people (isrealities) to destroy other countries and people who have gone against his law
but, again God is just that, God
He is the master, the king, the ultimite power
he can do whatever he wants

and innocent people?
God says there are no innocent people

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"

no one is good
we all fall short of God's standard
no one is innocent
not me,not you, no one

4) Do you honestly think that God (who created science) would put anything in his letter to us, that goes against science?
No one has ever found anything in the bible that goes agaisnt science
there are no errors
no contradictions
this proves that christianity is not a man-made religion, but the truth that come from God himself

i challange you to find something that goes against science.
you give me proof that anything in the bible is incorrect, and i will cease to be a christian
i do not follow blind religions, brainwashing or scams
give me something that is wrong with the bible


5) who are you (a human) to question God?
i dont understand everything about God
but he is God so we need to repect his position
he can do what he wants


6) Again, there are no good people
Romans 3:23
but bad things happen to people because of sin
voilence, disease, death, famine, drought, discrimination etc.
it happens because of sin
see question #2

7) what kind of eviednce could there be?
the blind receiving their sight, dead being raised up, the lame walking?
i dont think there could be any eviedence for that kind of stuff
it was recorded by eyewitnesses
it was recorded by God (God cant lie)
so i must believe it


8 ) why does he need to appear to us?
yes he answers our prayers, but he wont answer every single prayer
if you prayed for aladdin to fly into the room, do you think it would happen?
probably not
not because God couldnt aswer that prayer, but because he doesnt want to
he has a master plan for all of time
he will not go outside of tha plan

he used to do that in the old testament
he could but he would because thats not how he speaks to us today
he speaks through the spirit of God and by the word of God

9) he doesnt want you to eat his real body
its a simbol
Jesus gave his body for us
he shed his blood for us

by doing this he was punished for our sins
we can be forgiven of all our wrongs if we accept this gift

every person that is going to heaven has accepted his gift
you're not a christian because you live in canada, or go to a church, or get baptised or do good things
a christian is just a person who realizes their place as a sinner, and accepts God's gift of eternal life.

so taking the bread and the wine, is a simbol of what happens when someone when they get saved, or become a christian.

10) first of all not everyone that says, they are a christian, is a true christian
christians arent people that are higher than everyone else

a christian sins just the same as everyone else
the difference is that the wrong things that a christian does are forgiven
because jesus paid the punishment that we deserved
he was punished for everyone's sins
but its only good if you accept the sacrifice
but God will let you decide weither or not you will accept His gift
___________________________________________________________________

All these questions are valid and I can understand why you would ask them
but you need to know that God is God and he can do what he wants, when he wants, however He wants.

He could have left us in our sin
but he devised a rescue mission
he took all our sin and laid them on His Son

Because he did this, your sins are gone!
you dont have to pay for them!
please accept this wonderful gift that God offers to You

[name]

_____________________________________________________________________

1 Tim 1:15 "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners"

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"
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Re: the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2009, 04:10:44 PM »
5) who are you (a human) to question God?
i dont understand everything about God
but he is God so we need to repect his position
he can do what he wants

Thanks for your honesty.  Personally, I do not ascribe to the idea that might makes right.  Why you think it's OK to do that I can't imagine, but it can't be a moral position.
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Re: the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2009, 08:09:24 PM »
I like to refer to this particular description as the 'ant farm' god.
This god does not care about us, much the way any child does not care about the individual ants in an ant farm.  He can do what he likes, shake it up, dump water into it or whatever.  It's his to do with what he wants.

Of course, for the whole Jesus thing to work you'd have to imagine that a child shrunk himself down into the body of an ant (a carpenter ant for example.) and decided to let them kill this ant for whatever reason.


Certianly the ant farm god does not correspond with the biblegod, which has some pretty specific descriptions.  The Ant farm god though, seems to be the one that a certain percentage of christians want though, judging from letters like this.
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Re: the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2009, 08:20:27 PM »
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4) Do you honestly think that God (who created science) would put anything in his letter to us, that goes against science?
No one has ever found anything in the bible that goes agaisnt science
there are no errors
no contradictions
this proves that christianity is not a man-made religion, but the truth that come from God himself

i challange you to find something that goes against science.
you give me proof that anything in the bible is incorrect, and i will cease to be a christian
i do not follow blind religions, brainwashing or scams
give me something that is wrong with the bible

Genesis 30:37-39 (New International Version)
37 Jacob, however, took fresh-cut branches from poplar, almond and plane trees and made white stripes on them by peeling the bark and exposing the white inner wood of the branches. 38 Then he placed the peeled branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front of the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink, 39 they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted.


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Re: the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2009, 08:47:33 PM »
MadBunny, good description.  Then again, any deity that can be thwarted by an iron chariot may be on that scale as well.   ;D
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Re: the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2009, 11:31:58 PM »
OP you sound like a really nice person and I'm sure you are sincere.  I am just curious if you ever question any of that bible nonsense?  Why does god allow us to suffer?  Do you really think there are no errors or contradictions in the bible?  What leads to you believe that the bible is the inerrant word of god? 
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Re: the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2009, 12:25:33 AM »
hi im a christian
im not that intelligent

*Laughs so hard*

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but i do understand a few things about our postion toward God

It's spelled position.

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this is about your 10 questions video
i would like to give you the real answers to your questions.

First of all you dont need answers to any of these questions
simply because he is God
He can do whatever he wants
he made this world
he made science
he can certainly go against the laws of what he made, cant he?

Where is the evidence for that? Aren't you just making assumptions?

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no excuses are needed, no rationalizations are needed, because he is God
you and I dont need to understand God, and we never will
he is soooo far above us
these questions do not need to be answered

Again, aren't you just making assumptions?

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but i will answer them


1) God doesnt have to heal anyone
God can heal who he wants to
He could have made the world, then destroyed it, or left it on its own
but he didnt
instead he died for us so we could be with him when we die
he choses to work with us because he is good
he heals some people
some people he doesnt heal
if he wanted to he could heal an ampute
* its His world, he decides what to do with it

1) He said he would answer prayer, no exceptions. You're just trying to justify it.
2) You're just assuming that is true because of some piece of paper that wrote it.

Your turn.

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2) God doesnt have to feed anyone
But he does
i dont know why one person staves and another doesnt
its up to God, whatever he decides

So you think he can just be blameless. Sorry, but i don't buy it. If you have the power to do whatever you want, and yet want to create the world and say, "I will answer prayers" then doesn't that clearly mean that he will feed us if we asks? Oh no, he rather back out like a spineless coward he is. And a liar to boot.

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Another thing, sin came into the world
that's why bad stuff happens to people
before sin, the world was perfect
God let Adam and Eve choose weither or not they would obey him
they didnt.
he gave them a choice because he wanted them to love him
he could have forced them to love him, but love that is chosen is soo much better
he gives us a choice too
Jesus paid the punishment of your sins, you can choose to accept his gift or not accept it
the choice is yours

Here's that shitty "Sin" shit again. We shouldn't have to be pun ished for something someone else did. That's bullcrap.


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3) its not that God demands people to die
yes sometimes he told his people (isrealities) to destroy other countries and people who have gone against his law
but, again God is just that, God
He is the master, the king, the ultimite power
he can do whatever he wants

and innocent people?
God says there are no innocent people

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"

no one is good
we all fall short of God's standard
no one is innocent
not me,not you, no one

Oh sure, make claim that everyone who is slaughtered by God is wicked because of sin. You have the audacity to claim that the people who died are evil when you have no fucking clue who they were and what they did? Are the children in africa evil? Are the people in abusive situtations evil and deserved to be abused? HUH???? You disgust me.

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4) Do you honestly think that God (who created science) would put anything in his letter to us, that goes against science?
No one has ever found anything in the bible that goes agaisnt science
there are no errors
no contradictions
this proves that christianity is not a man-made religion, but the truth that come from God himself

i challange you to find something that goes against science.
you give me proof that anything in the bible is incorrect, and i will cease to be a christian
i do not follow blind religions, brainwashing or scams
give me something that is wrong with the bible

You obviously never read the Bible. I suggest going to skepticsannotatedbible.com and see it for yourself. Unless you're just too scared.


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5) who are you (a human) to question God?
i dont understand everything about God
but he is God so we need to repect his position
he can do what he wants

Who are you to question Zeus? Who are you to question Vishnu? Why aren't you following them? What makes you think your God exists?


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6) Again, there are no good people
Romans 3:23
but bad things happen to people because of sin
voilence, disease, death, famine, drought, discrimination etc.
it happens because of sin
see question #2

Stop proclaiming that there are no innocents killed by God. Are infants evil? Are the fetuses evil? Are little children evil?

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7) what kind of eviednce could there be?
the blind receiving their sight, dead being raised up, the lame walking?
i dont think there could be any eviedence for that kind of stuff
it was recorded by eyewitnesses
it was recorded by God (God cant lie)
so i must believe it

"God says it, i believe it, that settlers it." You're a fucking retard.


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8 ) why does he need to appear to us?
yes he answers our prayers, but he wont answer every single prayer
if you prayed for aladdin to fly into the room, do you think it would happen?
probably not
not because God couldnt aswer that prayer, but because he doesnt want to
he has a master plan for all of time
he will not go outside of tha plan

he used to do that in the old testament
he could but he would because thats not how he speaks to us today
he speaks through the spirit of God and by the word of God

That's it, keep making excuses as every other theists did. Bring something more original.

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9) he doesnt want you to eat his real body
its a simbol
Jesus gave his body for us
he shed his blood for us

by doing this he was punished for our sins
we can be forgiven of all our wrongs if we accept this gift

every person that is going to heaven has accepted his gift
you're not a christian because you live in canada, or go to a church, or get baptised or do good things
a christian is just a person who realizes their place as a sinner, and accepts God's gift of eternal life.

so taking the bread and the wine, is a simbol of what happens when someone when they get saved, or become a christian.

Not good. This is stupid, and you have the audacity to claim what makes one a christian and what doesn't.

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10) first of all not everyone that says, they are a christian, is a true christian
christians arent people that are higher than everyone else

a christian sins just the same as everyone else
the difference is that the wrong things that a christian does are forgiven
because jesus paid the punishment that we deserved
he was punished for everyone's sins
but its only good if you accept the sacrifice
but God will let you decide weither or not you will accept His gift
___________________________________________________________________

Ah, the lousy tactic, "Not everyone is a true christian." How do you know you're the true christian? Have you sacrificed any animals? Have you sold your daughter? Have you murdered anyone for working on a sabbath? If not, then you're not a christian.

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All these questions are valid and I can understand why you would ask them
but you need to know that God is God and he can do what he wants, when he wants, however He wants.

He could have left us in our sin
but he devised a rescue mission
he took all our sin and laid them on His Son

Because he did this, your sins are gone!
you dont have to pay for them!
please accept this wonderful gift that God offers to You

[name]

_____________________________________________________________________

1 Tim 1:15 "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners"

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"

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Re: the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2009, 12:28:55 AM »
threads like this make me dislike people who think they have the answers even more.... i'd rather be the clueless idiot in the corner figuring out the puzzles to why stuff like this begins in the first place....
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Re: the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009, 12:29:04 PM »
Basically, your answer is "Because it's god".


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4) Do you honestly think that God (who created science) would put anything in his letter to us, that goes against science?
No one has ever found anything in the bible that goes agaisnt science
there are no errors
no contradictions
this proves that christianity is not a man-made religion, but the truth that come from God himself

i challange you to find something that goes against science.
you give me proof that anything in the bible is incorrect, and i will cease to be a christian
i do not follow blind religions, brainwashing or scams
give me something that is wrong with the bible


Well, in order to do this we need to know what your views on science and the bible actually are. Are you an Old earth creationist, or a young earth creationist?

But really, this would be a pretty much pointless effort regardless of your view point. Simply because Christians have an argument to counter all the science arguments thrown at them. And I'm sure if I were to sling a bunch of science arguments that go against young earth creationism (assuming you are a YEC) all you'd have to say is "God dun it" because that's your comfort zone and you don't want to escape it. I believe in evolution and I believe in abigenesis and the big bang and I can talk to you about all three till I am blue in the face but I am sure I will get nowhere with you.

""having a debate with you [creationists] is equivalent to playing a chess match against a pigeon who knocks over all the pieces, takes a crap on the board and flies back to his flock and claims victory..."

But then again science isn't fascinated with and it's not trying to disprove god, and I personally believe that it's impossible to disprove god. But I think that the god mentioned in the bible is definitely imaginary.
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Re: the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2009, 01:06:52 PM »
hi im a christian
im not that intelligent


Well you got this part right anyway.
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Re: the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 01:56:12 PM »
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hi im a christian
im not that intelligent
but i do understand a few things about our postion toward God


 I don't subscribe to evil. I find your comments a product of bronze age thinking.  Religion made many people feel this way. I feel sorry for people like you.

 Every move you make in this life, you feel is being watched, I do not know how I could function, with such a huge amount of self made guilt.  Was I a good person today?  Not questioning life, Is a terrible way to live.

The problem with all religions, and superstitions, is its, contradictory to the human mind, you're supposed to believe, by fear, peer approval, in something that is not there. Or wishes to remain anonymous.

There are over ten thousand different religions on this planet, if you look at this way;
That's ten thousand different gods, all religions feel they are praying to the one true god.
Are you sure? you are praying, talking, feeling, the same god. the god. Or are your deep routed emotions in the way, of thinking out side the box. Or bubble. That you have put yourself into, out of fear.

There are over 30thousand separate denominations of Christianity, and not one them can agree with each other, about who, or what denomination, is doing it right.

The wool has been pulled over your eyes.. you only, believe..  Because it is what your parents told you, and what their parents told them, and so on. If you were born in In Iran you would be a Muslim and so on.

So the hairs on your back side went up and now you're angry. Breath, in, Breath out.  Its hard to take an insult. But we all do.

This web site is designed to make one think, to question reality, to make a better world, one person, human, at a time. Why would one kill for a book? Why would one, dam someone because they came from a different culture?

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Re: the real answers to your questions [#1693]
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2009, 02:01:09 PM »

God doesnt have to heal anyone
God can heal who he wants to

Well, he never seems to do it when the cameras are rolling. Or when anybody reliable is watching. It's like how aliens never seemed to want to land in Carl Sagan's yard. It's always some toothless, Sterno-drinking, cousin-marrying goober. Your standard of evidence is too low.

Please don't quote the Bible as evidence of anyting. We've read it. Most of us know it better than you.
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