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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2009, 04:56:31 PM »
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I personally don't pay any real attention to conflicting stories in the bible. There is an entire board for biblical contradictions that are being discussed;

I would like to hear the most silly, contradictory story that is causing iwant2believe's doubts about God. I have never read a story in the Bible that I have felt is silly and contradictory (and yes, I have read the Bible and sites such as http://errancy.org/ that try to find errors in the Bible).

Well, iwant2believe haven't been one since August 3rd, so don't wait for him/her to reply. As far as silly stories - the bible is full of them. The silliest would be the creation story.
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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2009, 05:01:09 PM »
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Well, iwant2believe haven't been one since August 3rd, so don't wait for him/her to reply. As far as silly stories - the bible is full of them. The silliest would be the creation story.

Can you elaborate? What is silly about it?
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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2009, 05:02:06 PM »
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Well, iwant2believe haven't been one since August 3rd, so don't wait for him/her to reply. As far as silly stories - the bible is full of them. The silliest would be the creation story.

Can you elaborate? What is silly about it?

There are two different ones, but both are considered true by some.
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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2009, 05:04:36 PM »
Are you a creationist? If so, YEC or OEC?

Really since I don't believe in god I don't believe a god could create everything in existence. So that's what makes it silly to me no matter what kind of creationism you believe in.
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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2009, 06:09:08 PM »
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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2009, 09:31:50 AM »
What do you think about this stuff? In the Realm of Science check out this guy; Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith?

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Sorry, but I didn't read that, and I never will. I'm not interested in reading cut n' pastes from around the web. I'm much more interested in your own thoughts.
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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2009, 09:33:46 AM »
You can't use the bible to prove the bible.
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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2009, 09:34:28 AM »
All this nonsense comes from: http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm

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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2009, 09:39:33 AM »
What do you think about this stuff? In the Realm of Science check out this guy; Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith?

Except it is not in the realm of science.

Wilder has never produced any scientific peer review paper with regards to his many creationist claims.  His 'career' is comprised of a few teaching positions and research jobs, but little else.  The few books he has published have been filled with blatant distortions about modern science and even forgeries of claimed findings.

Why is this person even part of this discussion at all?  What science am I supposed to look at?
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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2009, 09:53:51 AM »
What do you think about this stuff? In the Realm of Science check out this guy; Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith?

Except it is not in the realm of science.

Wilder has never produced any scientific peer review paper with regards to his many creationist claims.  His 'career' is comprised of a few teaching positions and research jobs, but little else.  The few books he has published have been filled with blatant distortions about modern science and even forgeries of claimed findings.

Why is this person even part of this discussion at all?  What science am I supposed to look at?

I guess we have different evidence or one of us is lying . . . which one?
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Why would he have so many accolades, degrees, and scientific publications. please i humbly ask you to prove your point

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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2009, 10:00:06 AM »
Trashed post from reality_chek, since it was a massive copy/paste plagiarism from http://www.wildersmith.org/biography.htm and http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm

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Re: Any real Proof for an Imaginary God???
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2009, 10:10:40 AM »
What do you think about this stuff? In the Realm of Science check out this guy; Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith?

Except it is not in the realm of science.

Wilder has never produced any scientific peer review paper with regards to his many creationist claims.  His 'career' is comprised of a few teaching positions and research jobs, but little else.  The few books he has published have been filled with blatant distortions about modern science and even forgeries of claimed findings.

Why is this person even part of this discussion at all?  What science am I supposed to look at?

Why would he have so many accolades, degrees, and

He has a few of these, but that is irrelevant.  He has them because he went to a university and learned about organic chemistry and taught/lectured.  None of this is because of or in relation to his later antiscience creationist nonsense.

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scientific publications.

He has some of these, however he doesn't have a single one that has to do with his creationist claims.  None of these have anything to do with disproving evolution or anything he would claim in his creationist nonsense.

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please i humbly ask you to prove your point

My point is already proven, he has never published anything with regards to science, to his scientific peers, in any scientific publication, about his creationist claims.  His career essentially crumbled and he fell into obscurity as he published books targeting a science ignorant public.  Those books contained many forgeries ( the hand carved dinosaur/human prints ) and outright distortions of modern science ( claims about evolution ).

No science.

Now, I asked you a question that you did not answer.  Are you going to answer it?

Why is this person even part of this discussion at all?  What science am I supposed to look at?
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