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Offline shinro

Give the doctors credit
« on: July 21, 2009, 06:38:30 PM »
I have noticed that people pray for healing and yet take the medicine for the problem they are having at the same time and then when they are cured they go OMG THANK YOU LORD FOR HEALING ME and then spout their story at testimony at church! then I go wtf this topic is directed at theists please give the doctors credit for healing you not the imaginary man in the sky.

oh yes I am a atheist this was the time when my mother forced me to go church before I found this website.
 
Now i leave this video may this drive some sense into your head [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_htqDCP-s&feature=channel_page[/youtube]
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Re: Give the doctors credit
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 06:43:43 PM »
Quote from: shinro on July 21, 2009, 06:38:30 PM
I have noticed that people pray for healing and yet take the medicine for the problem they are having at the same time and then when they are cured they go OMG THANK YOU LORD FOR HEALING ME and then spout their story at testimony at church! then I go wtf this topic is directed at theists please give the doctors credit for healing you not the imaginary man in the sky.

They don't think that way. They think the LORD gave the doctor his/her ability to heal. So no matter how you slice it, the LORD is the cause of the healing, whether or not it was direct magic or through a second party.
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Re: Give the doctors credit
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2009, 07:02:57 PM »
You need to learn how Theists actually think and/or respond to things before you go stating what they think and how they respond to things.

(directed to OP)

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Re: Give the doctors credit
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2009, 07:05:56 PM »
Great poem.

To go with the theme of this web site, I now always think of this real-life story;


German Doing Well After Double Arm Transplant
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GATCiaeuK0E[/youtube]

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World's first double arm transplant patient delighted
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/3158287/Worlds-first-double-arm-transplant-patient-delighted.html

The world's only transplant recipient of two full arms said the feeling of being whole again was "indescribable".
A German farmer's woken up from a fifteen-hour operation to a brand new pair of arms after the world's first double transplant.

Karl Merk, a German dairy farmer whose arms had been amputated after an accident, said he felt like a "whole man" again as he spoke for the first time since the operation in July.

"The feeling is indescribable. Every day I gain more mobility," said Mr Merk as he showed off the arms, which are being supported by a special "corset" while the healing continues.

Six years ago Mr Merk lost his arms in a farm maize threshing machine. Found by a colleague as he lay bleeding to death, he screamed: "Kill me, kill me!" But the man saved his life instead.

Doctors at the teaching hospital of the Technical University in Munich then planned a world first: to transplant two arms at once. The procedure was conducted over two days in July.

A team of 40 surgeons and nurses working in two operating rooms removed the arms from the donor, who had died only hours before, and transplanted them to mr Merk, who had only been left with small stumps just below his shoulders following his amputations.

The first step was to expose the muscle, nerves and blood vessels to be connected. Before the bones of the donor could be cut, blood vessels in Mr Merk's arms were filled with a cooled preservation solution.

Both arms were then removed exactly at the point matching the patient's arm stumps. First the bones were joined, then arteries and veins to ensure blood circulation as quickly as possible.

The surgeons then attached the muscles and tendons, then the nerves and finally the skin.

Doctors have been closely monitoring Mr Merk's progress ever since, as he undergoes physical therapy as well as psychological counselling.

The doctors said in a statement that there had been "no sign" that Merk's immune system was rejecting the foreign tissue, as was feared before the procedure, and that his scars were healing well.

The medical team said that hand and lower arm transplants were still rare and that the Munich operation, by attaching an elbow joint as well as an upper arm, posed a greater challenge for the immune and circulatory systems.
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Re: Give the doctors credit
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009, 07:07:34 PM »
well then i apologize i should of changed my wording but all the theists i come across all have this mindset so i apologize to the theists who give credit to the doctors instead of god.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2009, 07:09:52 PM by shinro »
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Re: Give the doctors credit
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2009, 04:04:13 AM »
They to credit the doctors when the result is negative. No blaming god when the outcome is contrary to what they wanted...
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Re: Give the doctors credit
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2009, 04:23:23 AM »
Re the video-I love Tim Minchin! He's written a few songs on evolution, religion and the like, they're worth googling.
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Re: Give the doctors credit
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2009, 01:12:29 PM »
Quote from: HAL on July 21, 2009, 06:43:43 PM
They don't think that way. They think the LORD gave the doctor his/her ability to heal. So no matter how you slice it, the LORD is the cause of the healing, whether or not it was direct magic or through a second party.

The lord also provideth a golf club and guided the arm of a guy who tried to club someone to death outside of my house.

I can imagine how amazing the world must be to die-hard believers. Wake up in the morning and "Wow, God provided shower gel!" Move to the kitchen and "Wow, God provided hash browns and sausages!" It'd continue along those lines until the end of the day when they can enjoy the duvet and pillow provided by God, wow!
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Re: Give the doctors credit
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2009, 01:33:33 PM »
Quote from: Nam on July 21, 2009, 07:02:57 PM
You need to learn how Theists actually think and/or respond to things before you go stating what they think and how they respond to things.

(directed to OP)

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theists think when it comes to disproving their god?
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Re: Give the doctors credit
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2009, 01:13:43 PM »
Quote from: Seank on July 22, 2009, 01:12:29 PM
I can imagine how amazing the world must be to die-hard believers. Wake up in the morning and "Wow, God provided shower gel!" Move to the kitchen and "Wow, God provided hash browns and sausages!" It'd continue along those lines until the end of the day when they can enjoy the duvet and pillow provided by God, wow!

*pisses self laughing*

Sorry for raising a dead thread....but I just had to express my appreciation for that amusing remark!
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Re: Give the doctors credit
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2009, 03:18:16 PM »
I'll never forget, many years ago (had to be in the '80s) watching Pat Robertson on his 700 club, talking about someone writing in about his terrible farm accident. And in the last bit of relating the story, Robertson said something like "...and the doctors worked on him in surgery for over 8 years...Praise god! Isn't god amazing!"

It was about that time in my life that I began to understand just how PERNICIOUS some believers could be, and that they were often outright LIARS, and that it was worthwhile to try to explain to believers how their heads were being f***ed with.
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