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Did a man named Jesus rise from the dead?
Archangelkreator:
"Dead Sea Scrolls and the Life of the Ancient Essene" By R. W. Bernard
More information on the Essenes at this site:
http://www.nazoreans.com/
I've spent far too much time studying this stuff than it warrants, but I'm living in a rural community where you are vilified by 'respectable' society for not adhering to this superstition.
Most people haven't even heard of the Essenes. I wouldn't have known about them only for my Ecclessiology History lectures.
Also the bible leads us to believe that the Pharisees were the Jewish religious leaders.
The Pharisees were actually a sect. They were more numerous than the other Jewish sects of the time, the Sadducees, the Zealots & the least numerous but by some distance the most devout, the Essenes. Many scholars doubt they even existed, but they are mentioned by Josephus & it is most probable that the Essenes wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls.
If you do some research on the Essenes you will see that the lifestyle promoted by Jesus is that of an Essene.
Christians will tell you that Jesus was a Pharisee, but his purported lifestyle & teachings mirrors that of an Essene.
The mythology of Christianity is partly based on a real person. That real person is almost certainly an Essene & the most likely candidate is an Essene that took part in a pseudo-crucifixion.
I've studied in much detail the history of christianity, how it developed & how it became the official superstition of the Roman empire.
Any reasonable person that became aware of the history & evolution of christianity would have no doubt that it is all regurgitated, pseudo-sun worship.
A good example is the Catholic sacrament of penance.
Most people don't even know when & why that was invented & if Catholics knew the truth of it the 'Confessional seal' wouldn't be so revered.
Constantine after winning the decisive battle at Milvian Bridge to become emperor killed the 2 sons of his defeated enemy. That was considered an outrage by Roman society at the time as you were supposed to protect the sons of your defeated enemies at the time.
Constantine sought absolution for his crimes & he was told that what he had done was so grave that he couldn't get into any heaven.
The only superstition that offered him any solace was christianity. They had the get-out clause of baptism. If you were baptised all your sins were absolved & you could get into heaven as long as you lived a pious existence after baptism.
Constantine was very appreciative & reigned huge benefits on the christian church.
Also equipped with this 'Get-out-of-hell' card he killed his son & his wife.
He also killed 30 members of his household. It didn't matter he was getting out of hell.
On his deathbed Constantine was baptised as a christian & as he murdered no-one in the minutes between baptism & his death we have to assume he went to heaven.
Many Roman polytheists followed his example & were baptised on their deathbeds.
This was problematic for the early church leaders as they wanted converts & more importantly their financial contributions well before they were confined to their deathbeds.
They needed a way to absolve sins after baptism & the convenience of the sacrament of penance was invented & implemented.
screwtape:
sounds fishy.
Graybeard:
The source of the information about Nazoreans seems to be: http://www.nazoreans.com/lineage_yeshu.html
--- Quote ---He claims that the father was a Roman soldier of Phoenician descent who later became the Roman Emperor Tiberius.
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The lineage of TiberiusWiki Cesar is well documented:
--- Quote ---Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus; 16 November 42 BC – 16 March 37 AD, was Roman Emperor from 14 AD to 37 AD. Tiberius was by birth a Claudian, son of Tiberius Claudius Nero and Livia Drusilla. His mother divorced Nero and married Augustus in 39 BC, making him a step-son of Octavian.
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Tiberius was never a Phoenician soldier.
jedweber:
--- Quote from: Archangelkreator on July 12, 2012, 07:27:03 AM ---So you can ask yourselves which is more likely:
An all powerful creator god sent his only son to be crucified which was witnessed by a handful of people.
Or a very small Jewish sect decided to put their devotion on display by faking a crucifixion of one of their devotees to be treated less harshly & hopefully get more followers.
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Well, we're certainly not limited to those two choices...
A historical Jesus connected to the Essenes is a plausible theory which has been promoted by some scholars, but it's just one of many "historical Jesus" theories and like all of the others, it's lacking any sort of solid and clear-cut evidence.
And the particular scenario you laid out seems to be oddly detailed and entirely speculative.
If it comes from the "R.W. Bernard" you mentioned, the following does not inspire confidence in his theories:
--- Quote ---Dr. R. W. Bernard - The Hollow Earth
This controversial book claims that flying saucers not only exist, but that they are the vehicles of a super-race that lives in a huge, underground world whose entrance is in the earth's North Pole.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24859374/Dr-R-W-Bernard-The-Hollow-Earth
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jedweber:
http://www.ourhollowearth.com/Bernard/WorksList.htm
^ Ok, here's a list of works by the same R.W. Bernard. He was a Theosophist, which explains his unusual views of Jesus being a teacher in India and Christianity ultimately arising from Buddhism. The Theosophists claimed to find the origins of Christianity in ancient lost scriptures they discovered in Tibet and India. For example:
--- Quote ---APOLLONIUS THE NAZARENE (MYSTERY MAN OF THE BIBLE)
A Startling Historical Discovery Based on Ancient Records Rescued from the Alexandrian Library Prior to Its Having Been Set on Fire by the Roman Churchmen, Concerning the Unknown World Teacher of the First Century, Leader and Teacher of the Essenes, Who First Introduced Among them the Gospel of Chrishna, Hindu Savior of 3000 B.C., which he Translated from the Sanskrit into the Aramaic as the Original Gospel (Diegesis) which, three centuries later, was elaborated into the four Christian Gospels by Roman Churchmen at the Council of Nicea, held in the year 325 A. D.
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Bernard was also interested in theories of Atlantis, flying saucers, and was most known for his "Hollow Earth" beliefs. He reportedly died in South America while looking for the secret tunnels into the Earth's interior.
Let's be polite and call his ideas "highly esoteric."
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