My claim is that evolution, on its own. Is insufficient to explain life. I have tried to explain to you my reasons behind my thinking only to be mocked and belittled. Honestly I don't care what you think of me. Who are you?
The problem is, your reasoning is insufficient to contradict the tremendous evidence in favor of evolution. Especially given your inability to explain evolution in a way that is actually consistent.
Quit saying it's impossible. Either prove it, with strong evidence that we can verify, or acknowledge that you don't have that evidence and can't prove it. This is not about what you personally think, this is about what you can legitimately prove. Or else you're doing exactly what you decry and changing or ignoring the evidence to fit what you believe.
Evolution is impossible. The presumption that we come from nothing is just that,a presumption.
Wrong, and wrong. You keep saying "evolution is impossible", "evolution is a fraud", etc, but you have shown and keep showing
that you aren't actually talking about evolutionary theory, you're talking about some strange idea you have which you call evolution, which has things pop out of nowhere, dramatically new species born from old ones in a matter of a few generations, and who knows what else. Come to think of it, if things did happen like that, it'd be pretty good circumstantial evidence that something was making these strange things happen that can't be explained by the actual theory of evolution.
Try Adding God to your theory and suddenly it can make sense.
If you had life magically appearing out of nowhere and nothing, if you had crocoducks running around, you could make sense of it by adding God in. But the actual theory of evolution has nothing to do with any of that, and you make things needlessly complicated and nonsensical by adding God in.
I have greatly enjoyed this discussion. It has challenged me and I hope you can with me be able to think of each other has allies not enemies.
There is no reason for evolution to hurt my faith. I can see how to make it work. The question is, can you make room for God in yours?
I am NOT asking you to become Christian or even to read any Holy text. Just to look at it ALL and see the truth.
It would be a lot easier to work with you if you'd stop insisting that your flawed idea of evolutionary theory had anything to do with the actual theory that the rest of us have been talking about.
I'm not asking you to become an atheist, or even an agnostic. I'm just asking you to look at what the theory really says and judge it based on that. There are Christians who have absolutely no problem accepting evolutionary theory as it currently stands, because they aren't insisting on trying to impose their theological beliefs on reality. They understand that religion must accommodate reality because we live in the real world; we must understand the world we live in on its own empirical terms, not on what we believe it to be.
I am not capitulating, If you continue to claim evolution without a God is possible I will continue to argue that it is not.
In show of my willingsenn to make it work I propose:
A different Explaination of evolution
Acknowledging the Obvious (there is design therefore a designer)
through exploring the curious (how does it all work)
To reveal the Glorious (Live IS wonderful)
Its an easy fix in my own mind. An acknowledgment of each side and the validity of such as viable and possible.
No, what you're suggesting is a capitulation to your own particular belief - that there must have been a designer. You are still trying to impose your religion on reality, instead of investigating reality on its own terms.
Let me ask you a hypothetical question. If the god you believe in can do anything, why can he not have let things happen exactly the way that science is showing us did happen? Think about it. For an immortal being with limitless power, what would be more precious than observing the results of something he did not set in motion and thus did not know what to expect from it next? Even for humans, with a finite and short lifespan, being pleasantly surprised by something unexpected can be a truly great gift. Plus, why must your god have set things up in exactly the way you think he did? Is your understanding so grand that you can truly say, "yes, God definitely did not allow life to develop on its own through the mechanisms of heredity, variation, and natural selection"? If you think it is, then I feel sorry for you, because you're putting yourself above your god.