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« on: April 26, 2009, 05:15:17 PM »

Why does the idea of people having faith seem to bother you? Does the fact that people go to church or other houses of worship effect you directly? Is it harmful to you if other people have believes for themselves?
People are allowed to have their believes, as you are allowed to have yours. So you don't believe in God, good for you, you haven't bought into organized religion. However, do you really feel the need to make so many videos trying to push your believes?

I know their are religious fanatics who have probably thrown countless religious quotes at you, trying to push their believes on you, and they shouldn't, but aren't you sinking down to their level by making all these videos. Your videos fuel their fire, and their fire fuels your videos.

I know this won't make you change your mind on religion, and I don't want it to. Stay strong with your ideals, they're yours and no one should take them away from you. I just want you to understand that what your trying to get across with your videos makes you come across just as self-righteous as those religious fanatics that have bothered you.

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2009, 06:37:52 PM »

Why does the idea of people having faith seem to bother you? Does the fact that people go to church or other houses of worship effect you directly?

Have you been in a coma for the last 8 years? since it would appear the Bush presidency has passed you by entirely.
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2009, 06:41:43 PM »
The videos are not forced on anyone, nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you watch them.  In my experience most Christians are way more self-righteous than any atheist/agnostic I've met in this forum.
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2009, 07:54:53 PM »
In what way are the videos pushing the video creator's beliefs on you?
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2009, 08:06:58 PM »
1. It's "beliefs" not "believes".
2. Who forced you to watch them? Who forces anyone to watch any of them?
3. Do you type the same thing for all the religious videos on Youtube or elsewhere? I doubt it.
4. When, in the U.S., Christianity forces itself into Government, that does make it a problem, especially for people who believe the way I do.

Did you know that there are at least 6 states in the U.S. where it's illegal for an Atheist to run for any political office? How is that not someone forcing another to believe what they believe in?

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2009, 08:07:57 PM »
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Why does the idea of people having faith seem to bother you? Does the fact that people go to church or other houses of worship effect you directly? Is it harmful to you if other people have believes for themselves?

My answer is below.

Please read exactly what I write as many people tend to reply to words I did not write, or to ignore the main point of what I'm saying;



I have noticed, as you may have as well, that there are Christians that do things in the name of Christianity that are negative.  Christians that promote bigotry and ignorance.  Christians that advocate actions that lead to harm and even death.  Christians that advocate not caring about this world and who want it to be destroyed in a polluted and fiery apocalypse.

If there were enough Christians that effectively dealt with those problems, I would not have any concerns.  Believe as you want.  As far as I would be concerned, the real world problems would be solved.

Unfortunately, that is not the world we are in.  Most Christians aren't doing nearly enough.   Many unfortunately are actively promoting these negative goals -- from paying money passively to going out and doing these negative actions themselves.

Some of the strongest advocates for those negative actions are the leaders and congregants of the larger Christian churches and organizations; this is not a problem with a few fringe groups or eccentric cult leaders.

Too many Christians not only do not take responsibility, they are leading the charge for these negative actions.  They justify bigotry and ignorance, they justify actions that result in the deaths of others that could be easily avoided.

As a responsible person, someone who cares about the world and the future of humanity, I have to act.  Even if it is not my fault that these Christians are doing harm, it is my responsibility to do something positive.  You can consider it a moral obligation.  If that means that I have to hold up a mirror so that my fellow humans look at what they believe, then I'll take that modest step.  Maybe that will be enough to drain the air out of some of those bad ideas?

My question to you is not what you believe, but what are you doing about the acts your fellow Christians perform in the name of Christianity that spread hate, bigotry, ignorance, pain, and death?[/b]
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2009, 08:13:59 PM »
Why does the idea of people having faith seem to bother you? Does the fact that people go to church or other houses of worship effect you directly? Is it harmful to you if other people have believes for themselves?

Organized religion is harmful as a whole.  Mainly, the direct or indirect obstruction of scientific progress and moral/social progress.

It is no doubt that religious leaders and institutions are the main backing of anti gay-marriage laws and measures to stop scientific progress.  Furthermore, countless people are being lied to that evolution is a phony lie conjured up by evil scientists to thwart religion.  I will not stand by and let religion degrade peoples moral standing and slander scientific understanding of our world.

You can keep your faith and delusion while I live in reality with science and logic to back me up.

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However, do you really feel the need to make so many videos trying to push your believes?

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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2009, 08:24:41 PM »
Why does the idea of people having faith seem to bother you? Does the fact that people go to church or other houses of worship effect you directly? Is it harmful to you if other people have believes for themselves?

Because you are living with your 1st Century AD thinking.  We can cure diseases, fly through the air, dive to the bottom of the ocean, fly to the moon, land and return, and send probes to the deepest reaches of the Solar System.  We can contemplate quasars and black holes, gravitational lensing, and study what we believe to be the remnants of the Big Bang.... ad nauseum, RE: science.

But still, you and those like you still believe that an invisible spook in the sky watches your every move, hears your thoughts, and gives a rat's ass about your sexual habits.

I ramble.  But, am I starting to make a dent in why I care about what you believe?  Your "beliefs" are an embarrassment to me as a human being living in the 21st Century.  If you would bring your thinking into, say, at least the late 18th Century (which is when Thomas Paine wrote "The Age of Reason"), you would start to understand why it matters.

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 08:34:04 AM »
Couldn't have said it better, Odin, King of the Gods.
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