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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2009, 02:10:52 PM »
Mommykicksbutt...

Well, leave out the kicks and I think we are on the right track...


nice. what's next? nanny nanny boo boo?
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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2009, 02:17:34 PM »
Mommykicksbutt...

Well, leave out the kicks and I think we are on the right track...


nice. what's next? nanny nanny boo boo?

great argument.. something I would expect from an atheist..

my point is.. being  polite-- mommy is as ass!

"2.   Jesus called out to two fishermen to be his disciples and they actually left their father mending the fishing nets without even a 'good-bye'.  4:21,22"

What does this have to do with salvation???

What does this have to do with Jesus being the Messiah?

Your arguments are asinine!!!


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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2009, 02:27:49 PM »
How is abandoning your family to follow some guy who calls to you not asinine?

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2009, 02:32:23 PM »
if a guy walks up and says he's the messiah and wants people to follow him........ and they drop what theyre doing and go... isnt too bright.

sounds like a cult in the making.
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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2009, 02:37:13 PM »
Mommykicksbutt...

Well, leave out the kicks and I think we are on the right track...


nice. what's next? nanny nanny boo boo?

great argument.. something I would expect from an atheist..

my point is.. being  polite-- mommy is as ass!

"2.   Jesus called out to two fishermen to be his disciples and they actually left their father mending the fishing nets without even a 'good-bye'.  4:21,22"

What does this have to do with salvation???

What does this have to do with Jesus being the Messiah?

Your arguments are asinine!!!



Read the thread title and the OP...neither have anything to do with messianic claims.
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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2009, 03:00:21 PM »

Your claim of it being myth doesn't make it so. What if it turns out in 5 years we can prove that God exists and that the Bible was correct? You wouldn't accept it? Are that angry at God?


: What is a myth?

Answer: A myth is a story containing within and having about it certain identifiable characteristics. These are, specifically, that:

It is a religious story — no matter from which culture — and will therefore involve the existence and activities of a supernatural being, such as a god, a demigod, a goddess, or several such entities;

It will seek to explain at least some aspect of the origin or manner of things (where people came from, how rainbows first came to be, why whales have blow spouts, why people and animals feel hunger) if not of the very universe itself;

It is not an isolated tale but connects up in some significant way with other similar stories within a culture, involving other deities who collectively form a pantheon;

Its authorship is communally shared, that is, attributable to no single person, and it came into existence through oral tradition, and therefore usually has more than one version;

It is believed to be essentially true by those in the society for whom it is one part of a cultural mythology.
A story will have all of the above characteristics else it cannot

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2009, 04:24:04 PM »
Again, just as a thought, the bible-thumpers are not answering what was asked...
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Where do Christians get their exalted view of the "Christian" family?
My listing of scripture (only using Matthew in the op) shows that the NT and Jesus is very anti-family.  So how is it the "Christian's" can claim that they are living by "Christian family values" when obviously they are not.  Do you hate your family?  If you do then you are probably a christian, if you don't hate them then you should rethink your "christian" faith and what it really means to be a christian.
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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2009, 04:39:45 PM »
What a COMPLETE misrepresentation of verses! You have spewed so much trash here, I'd have to spend a week of my life explaining this to you in context of the Bible and the times. Because of your "hate mail," I'll simply pass on the whole. But I have chosen a simple one to make my point. You really need to join a Bible study if you want to attempt to assert something from the Bible. At least have some clue as to what the passage is about.
Not trash but truth, look up the verses yourself.  And do not even try to lecture me sonny boy, I taught child and adult religious education for years.  I probably got more time on the toilet than you have in the pulpit.  I feel so sorry for you.  So blinded by your faith that you refuse to see the truth, in this case the truth seems to strike you as offencive.  If the shoe fits... good, if it hurts... even better!  Now try reading your bible books independently as a piece of literature and not as dogmatic faith.

I feel sorry for you because you will be judged more strictly as a (former) teacher (James 3:1). Each of the verses you quoted were not new to me. One thing about the Bible is that it doesn't change. And regarding your toilet remark, that is where your OP belongs...... A 24-pack wouldn't be enough to wipe that up.

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2009, 05:11:15 PM »
I feel sorry for you because you will be judged more strictly as a (former) teacher (James 3:1).

Are there different levels of eternal torment?

If you are following God why can I still see you?

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2009, 05:13:09 PM »
I feel sorry for you because you will be judged more strictly as a (former) teacher (James 3:1).

Are there different levels of eternal torment?

Absolutely

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2009, 05:21:35 PM »
I feel sorry for you because you will be judged more strictly as a (former) teacher (James 3:1).

Are there different levels of eternal torment?

Absolutely

Not good enough. Chapter(s) & verse(s).
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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2009, 06:49:57 PM »
I feel sorry for you because you will be judged more strictly as a (former) teacher


Nope. Wrong again. Because god is imaginary, the judgement you speak of is a product of imagination, heaven again is imaginary, hell too is just a figment of imagination.
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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2009, 06:59:53 PM »
To be more logical;

Tbright; You have yet to show that there is a judgment, how it works, the consequence, that former teachers receive any different treatment, or that your not insane.


Why? Because your only evidence is just some old book that claims it's the story of a savior.

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2009, 07:00:25 PM »
Each of the verses you quoted were not new to me. One thing about the Bible is that it doesn't change. And regarding your toilet remark, that is where your OP belongs...... A 24-pack wouldn't be enough to wipe that up.

So, my OP uses the book of Matthew, and you think it belongs in the toilet!  Yahoo, I think you might be on to something here, I'll go along with you and agree that the book of Matthew and/or the bible belongs in the toilet. You're finally catching on TB.  The bible does have so many uses, you've just added one more... TP.  Thanks TB.
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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2009, 07:13:21 PM »
I disagree. The pages are so rough that it doesn't work well for toilet paper. It's better for kindling. Discovered that nugget in boy scouts.

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2009, 08:36:40 PM »
I disagree. The pages are so rough that it doesn't work well for toilet paper. It's better for kindling. Discovered that nugget in boy scouts.
So it fails at this too!  thanks bahramthered.
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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2009, 09:09:35 PM »
Each of the verses you quoted were not new to me. One thing about the Bible is that it doesn't change. And regarding your toilet remark, that is where your OP belongs...... A 24-pack wouldn't be enough to wipe that up.
So, my OP uses the book of Matthew, and you think it belongs in the toilet!  Yahoo, I think you might be on to something here, I'll go along with you and agree that the book of Matthew and/or the bible belongs in the toilet. You're finally catching on TB.  The bible does have so many uses, you've just added one more... TP.  Thanks TB.

Your antics are predictable. However, you fail not only in your assessment of Bible verses, but also in your handling of the English language. Your OP belongs in the toilet, not the Bible. Yes, I feel that all blaspheme belongs in the toilet. The fact that you (poorly) attempted to use Bible passages to make your points is irrelevant. And why do you have so much toilet time? That would be more entertaining for this crowd. If you want to discuss something serious, let me know.

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2009, 09:18:31 PM »
mommykicksbutt:

Don't you know anything?  This is where christians get to claim "diplomatic immunity" (like that fat German guy in Lethal Weapon)............or:  These passages need to be "Spritualy discerned".

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2009, 09:35:51 PM »
Your antics are predictable. However, you fail not only in your assessment of Bible verses, but also in your handling of the English language. Your OP belongs in the toilet, not the Bible. Yes, I feel that all blaspheme belongs in the toilet. The fact that you (poorly) attempted to use Bible passages to make your points is irrelevant. And why do you have so much toilet time? That would be more entertaining for this crowd. If you want to discuss something serious, let me know.

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2009, 09:38:57 PM »
mommykicksbutt:

Don't you know anything?  This is where christians get to claim "diplomatic immunity" (like that fat German guy in Lethal Weapon)............or:  These passages need to be "Spritualy discerned".

 ;)

Star Stuff, thank you, for I have forgotten about the oft used "theocratic immunity" clause which is boasted by the religionist.  Thank for reminding me.
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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2009, 09:45:43 PM »
"theocratic immunity"

Oh, that's good.  I should have thought of that.

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2009, 06:42:23 AM »
mommykicksbutt:

Don't you know anything?  This is where christians get to claim "diplomatic immunity" (like that fat German guy in Lethal Weapon)............or:  These passages need to be "Spritualy discerned".

 ;)

That fat guy was South African, wasn't he?

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« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2009, 06:46:46 AM »
Notice that Tbright did a whole lot of ranting and raving, yet never addressed a single point in the OP?
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« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2009, 06:48:27 AM »
Notice that Tbright did a whole lot of ranting and raving, yet never addressed a single point in the OP?

What else does a guy like him have but to rant and rave and never answer a question posed to him that even he knows he can't answer?

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2009, 01:18:06 PM »
Notice that Tbright did a whole lot of ranting and raving, yet never addressed a single point in the OP?

What else does a guy like him have but to rant and rave and never answer a question posed to him that even he knows he can't answer?

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And why is that everyone?... 

BECAUSE GOD IS IMAGINARY!!!!
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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2009, 01:51:56 PM »
Notice that Tbright did a whole lot of ranting and raving, yet never addressed a single point in the OP?

What else does a guy like him have but to rant and rave and never answer a question posed to him that even he knows he can't answer?

Guys, are you blind or just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative?

I've stated I'm not wasting my time in this thread. It doesn't warrant any attention.

I addressed ONE POINT to make my point, so your character assassination above is completely unfounded and UNTRUE! See my post HERE.

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2009, 01:59:23 PM »
No. We're being argumentative since you haven't proved your point and have basically fallen into this pattern of saying listen to me or else. We don't respect phoned in responses. If case you also haven't' noticed we only start amusing ourselves at your expense is when you fall back into this "I'm right and already proved it" adittude. 

Not to mention your the one who decided the OP deserved to be the toilet, hence starting the toliet talk. (Okay mommykicksbutt opened the door but you ran through it)

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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2009, 01:59:52 PM »
the problem is that you didnt address the point, you told a long story and made up some justification for the number 10. you explained nothing.

if you want to address polygamy then do so.

Genesis 4:19
And Lamech took unto him two wives.
Genesis 16:1-4
Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. And Sarai ... gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived.
Genesis 25:6
But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had....
Genesis 26:34
Esau ... took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite.
Genesis 31:17
Then Jacob rose up, and set ... his wives upon camels.
Exodus 21:10
If he take him another wife....
Deuteronomy 21:15
If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated....
Judges 8:30
And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.
1 Samuel 1:1-2
Elkanah ... had two wives; the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah.
2 Samuel 12:7-8
Thus saith the LORD God of Israel ... I gave thee ... thy master's wives....
1 Kings 11:2-3
Solomon ... had seven hundred wives ... and three hundred concubines.
1 Chronicles 4:5
And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah.
2 Chronicles 11:21
Rehoboam ... took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines.
2 Chronicles 13:21
But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives....
2 Chronicles 24:3
Jehoiada took for him two wives....
Mt.25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
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Re: NT & Jesus' Family Values
« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2009, 02:04:38 PM »
tb, those 19 passages listed in the op where for support of only one (1) point, the question...

So how is it the "Christian's" can claim that they are living by "Christian family values" when obviously they are not.  Do you hate your family?  If you do then you are probably a christian, if you don't hate them then you should rethink your "christian" faith and what it really means to be a christian.

This you have failed to address.

As for your focus on passage list #19, in the time and context for the original audience for which Matthew was written, polygamy was an acceptable and common practice.  In most modern societies it is abhorrent.  Given these facts, how can you say the bible is "timeless?"  Are you cherry-picking again?
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