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GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« on: August 05, 2008, 10:05:52 AM »
"The heavens declare the glory of God;
       the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

 2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
       night after night they display knowledge.

 3 There is no speech or language
       where their voice is not heard."  PSALM 19:1-3

"Lift your eyes and look to the heavens:
       Who created all these?
       He who brings out the starry host one by one,
       and calls them each by name.
       Because of his great power and mighty strength,
       not one of them is missing." Isa 40.26

The evidence is inescapable even if you don't believe
you still cannot help seeing it and even if you were blind
it comes down through the dawn chorus.

Isn't God great? Let all His creation worship HIM!




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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2008, 10:08:36 AM »
I've got a book that says you're worshipping the wrong god.
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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2008, 10:12:58 AM »
You are obviously reading from the wrong book.

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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2008, 10:13:33 AM »
The evidence is inescapable even if you don't believe
you still cannot help seeing it and even if you were blind
it comes down through the dawn chorus.

Isn't God great? Let all His creation worship HIM!

This is quite a sad demonstration of how religion can drive people all the way out there were they have no understanding of what goes on in other people's heads.

How can anyone think this would be compelling evidence for someone who didn't believe to begin with?

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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2008, 10:13:40 AM »
"The heavens declare the glory of God;
       the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

 2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
       night after night they display knowledge.

 3 There is no speech or language
       where their voice is not heard."  PSALM 19:1-3

"Lift your eyes and look to the heavens:
       Who created all these?
       He who brings out the starry host one by one,
       and calls them each by name.
       Because of his great power and mighty strength,
       not one of them is missing." Isa 40.26

The evidence is inescapable even if you don't believe
you still cannot help seeing it and even if you were blind
it comes down through the dawn chorus.

Isn't God great? Let all His creation worship HIM!

Repeating scripture is not evidence, or any kind of explanatory information to support the claim that a presumed supernatural entity exists.  I could post scripture from the Quran, The book of Mormon, various Hindu texts, and any number of religious scriptures - and it would no more prove their gods then quoting biblical scripture proves yours.


Bhagavad Gita 1.1
"Dhritarashtra said: O Sanjaya, after my sons and the sons of Pandu assembled in the place of pilgrimage at Kurukshetra, desiring to fight, what did they do?"

Angels ( Quran ) 35:1
35:1 Praise be to Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, Who appointeth the angels messengers having wings two, three and four. He multiplieth in creation what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.

1 Nephi 1  ( Book of Mormon )
1:1 I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents, therefore I was taught somewhat in all the learning of my father; and having seen many afflictions in the course of my days, nevertheless, having been highly favored of the Lord in all my days; yea, having had a great knowledge of the goodness and the mysteries of God, therefore I make a record of my proceedings in my days.  

There! Proof of Allah, hindu gods, and Mormonism.. all in one post.  God damn I'm fantastic.
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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2008, 10:38:19 AM »
You are obviously reading from the wrong book.

My book says the same thing about you.
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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2008, 10:56:51 AM »
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GOD   --  THE EVIDENCE.

There's none.  Next!
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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2008, 12:43:09 PM »
Repeating scripture is not evidence, or any kind of explanatory information to support the claim that a presumed supernatural entity exists.  I could post scripture from the Quran, The book of Mormon, various Hindu texts, and any number of religious scriptures - and it would no more prove their gods then quoting biblical scripture proves yours.>>>>

Yes, but that was not supposed to be the proof so you are trying to disprove something that isn't necessary.

Watch carefully: "The heavens declare the Glory of God!"  Tonight if it is clear look into the night sky at GOD's handywork.
That is the evidence.

"Lift your eyes and look to the heavens:
who created all these? " Isa 40:26

Some have bought into the evolution lie believing that we are just another animal but contrary to this myth humans are capable of rational deduction. Once they realize that they have been conned and that they are capable of intelligent thinking then they can begin to accept reality. 

In the AA it is usual for drunks to deny they have a problem. They can never recover until they are bought to the place where they can admit they are in denial.

Likewise people can be conscious yet spiritually comatose. They have things all around them staring them in the face but incapable of seeing any of it. Blinkered, tunnel vissioned and held captive by the greatest falsehood in history.

Put the lie aside and expose yourself to reality. You won't have to look far the evidence is all around you.


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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2008, 12:48:55 PM »
How is the universe evidence of a God?
Love the Christian. Hate the delusion.

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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2008, 12:52:08 PM »
Some have bought into the evolution lie believing that we are just another animal but contrary to this myth humans are capable of rational deduction. Once they realize that they have been conned and that they are capable of intelligent thinking then they can begin to accept reality. 

In the AA it is usual for drunks to deny they have a problem. They can never recover until they are bought to the place where they can admit they are in denial.

Likewise people can be conscious yet spiritually comatose. They have things all around them staring them in the face but incapable of seeing any of it. Blinkered, tunnel vissioned and held captive by the greatest falsehood in history.

Put the lie aside and expose yourself to reality. You won't have to look far the evidence is all around you.

Ibelieve,

Here are some youtube videos that will help you understand evolution.  I suggest you start with DonExodux and CDK007.  To qoute you, "Put the lie aside and expose yourself to reality.  You won't have to look far [the mirror] the evidence is all around you."  Honestly, I don't think you have the integrity to watch these videos with an open mind.  I would gladly, and with great joy, retract that statement if you can show me you've actually watched them.

YouTube videos on Evolution:

DonExodus (great source)
“How Evolution Works” - a 7 part introduction to evolution http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=019F146277A3EDFD
“God, Darwin, and Design” lecture by Kenneth Miller (He's Catholic)
   http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FF5EA2BF6382BC08
“Transitional Fossils” – 2 part series that shows extinct fossils
   http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F9729F67CD4034C9
“Refuting Way of the Master” – critiques “Way of the Master Series”
   http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F9729F67CD4034C9

CDK007
“How Evolution Really Works: 3 Part Series(awesome computer simulations)



“Evolution is a Blind Watchmaker”

“Evidence for Evolution and Against Creationism” 23 Related Videos
   http://www.youtube.com/profile_play_list?user=cdk007
“Origins Series”
   http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0696457CAFD6D7C9

Thunderfoot
“Why do People Laugh at Creationists” – 10 Part Series exposing Creationism
   http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AC3481305829426D
“Playlist: Evolution vs. Creationism” – 197 Videos
   http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1C02204EA30556E1




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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2008, 01:04:12 PM »
My book says the same thing about you.>>>

Well thanks for telling me that as now I know what reading your book did
to you and I wouldn't want to put myself in your predicament.

Seriously, if you wish me to send you a copy of my book reading it
will "get you out of jail."

John 8:34 "Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."

You would have noticed how your are held captive by your bad habits? Setting
you free from them is part of what He is talking about.

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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2008, 01:23:21 PM »
Honestly, I don't think you have the integrity to watch these videos with an open mind.  I would gladly, and with great joy, retract that statement if you can show me you've actually watched them.>>>

That is almost incredible!

I am trying to tell you to stop allowing people to poison and pollute your mind
and here you are telling me I should drink some of your poison!

I gave up a long time ago on letting other people do my thinking for me.

Do you not think I could go to youtube and find dozens of clips for you to
watch about God and creation?

Take responsibility to formulate an outlook based on your own research instead
of being someone else's intellectual poodle!

Have you studied carefully both sides of the argument so you can come to a honest
position or are you content to just watch the hollow tube?

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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2008, 01:46:56 PM »
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I am trying to tell you to stop allowing people to poison and pollute your mind
and here you are telling me I should drink some of your poison!

Irony, I adore thee.

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Take responsibility to formulate an outlook based on your own research instead
of being someone else's intellectual poodle!

You might take your own advice on this one.

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Have you studied carefully both sides of the argument so you can come to a honest
position or are you content to just watch the hollow tube?

How do you know he wasn't once a Christian?  Many of the people here were.  They have both sides of the position and have decided that atheism is the more credible position to take.

Fail.
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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2008, 01:49:38 PM »
I am trying to tell you to stop allowing people to poison and pollute your mind
and here you are telling me I should drink some of your poison!

Your Holy Book says you can drink deadly poison without a problem. What's the issue? Afraid?
Love the Christian. Hate the delusion.

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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2008, 02:14:15 PM »
Cycle4Fun wrote:
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Honestly, I don't think you have the integrity to watch these videos with an open mind.  I would gladly, and with great joy, retract that statement if you can show me you've actually watched them.

Ibelieve:
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That is almost incredible!

I am trying to tell you to stop allowing people to poison and pollute your mind
and here you are telling me I should drink some of your poison![

I gave up a long time ago on letting other people do my thinking for me.
I didn't think you had any integrity.  Any argument you posit against modern science will fail because you haven't taken the time to thoroughly examine what these scientific theories explain, how they work, and a small fraction of the evidence.

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Do you not think I could go to youtube and find dozens of clips for you to
watch about God and creation?
I'm certain you could.  I have examined those arguments and found them wanting.  That's why I'm an atheist.  Your ignorance of modern science is a dead give away that you haven't done the same.  I try to base my life on reality.

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Take responsibility to formulate an outlook based on your own research instead
of being someone else's intellectual poodle!
Do you use a computer?  Do you know how it works?  Have you coded your own operating system?  You rely on others to do that for you.  You live your life based on science that you haven't researched or understood.

I don't have time to gather all of the evidence myself on a tiny fraction of science.  We are all forced to rely on the evidence gathered by others and theories posited by others.  Their peers (which can be us) then comment and test the hypothesis.  These videos present evolution in a very easy to understand and efficient manner.  I was attempting to educate you a little on evolution without handing you a textbook.

Evolution is the best theory we have.  It explains the evidence.  It isn't perfect and there are questions left unanswered.  Why would I go against an idea just because it isn't my own?

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Have you studied carefully both sides of the argument so you can come to a honest
position or are you content to just watch the hollow tube?
You seem to fail to understand that nearly every atheist on this board is a former Christian.  Here is my testimony. 
http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinktank/index.php?topic=4197.0

I once cried myself to sleep over what Jesus had done for me and the pain he had to go through for me.  I was a Christian for 23 of my 24 years.  It took me 10 years to finally admit God did not exist.  10 years of mental struggle.  I examined the arguments and evidence for god and found they had no merit.

As far as the "hollow tube."  Like wickepedia, it can be a useful source.  Those guys I posted who made the videos all have backgrounds in biology.  You can check for yourself.

Until you show some intellectual integrity your thoughts and words are hollow and useless.  Grow a spine.  Examine the thoughts of others. 

Attack their evidence and interpretation of that evidence.  Provide your own evidence for your own hypothesis.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2008, 02:35:23 PM »
Well thanks for telling me that as now I know what reading your book did
to you and I wouldn't want to put myself in your predicament.

And what predicament is that?

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Seriously, if you wish me to send you a copy of my book reading it
will "get you out of jail."

I've read your book, several times.  I'd bet dollars to donuts that you've read only a few pages of anyone else's book.  I know plenty of people who are just as fervent about their books as you are about yours.  They behave exactly like you do and I bet if you grew up in their neighborhood, you'd cling to their book too.

That should tell you something.

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You would have noticed how your are held captive by your bad habits? Setting
you free from them is part of what He is talking about.

What bad habits?
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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2008, 03:18:30 PM »
You're absolutely right, Ibelieve.  The heavens do indeed declare his glory.

He puts the stars out every night, and names them.  By his mighty strength none of them go missing.

He created the Earth, humans and everything else in the universe.

I have awoken from my spiritual coma, put aside the lie and can now see reality.  I finally know for sure, that Thor is real.  Thank you.
I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other gods you will understand why I dismiss yours.

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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2008, 03:36:17 PM »
"Lift your eyes and look to the heavens:
       Who created all these?
       He who brings out the starry host one by one,
       and calls them each by name.
       Because of his great power and mighty strength,
       not one of them is missing." Isa 40.26


There's one missing.  It exploded in the late 1600s.

http://www.seds.org/~spider/spider/Vars/casA.html

Does that mean there's no god?
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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2008, 05:00:51 PM »
Ah shit! The mods should delete this tripe for being so misleading.

Your "evidence" is a poem. Poems are not evidence of anything except the existence of a poet.

Massive fail. Go look up the word "evidence" before you try this lame garbage again.
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2008, 05:13:07 PM »
These threads are the worst.
Love the Christian. Hate the delusion.

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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2008, 07:10:12 PM »
"The heavens declare the glory of God;
       the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Until a giant asteroid comes crashing down one day. That's God's glory and work of his hands for ya. It's not a question of "If" but "when." Earth, as well as all celestial bodies in our solar system have been bombarded by asteroids/meteors. Earth has it's craters, too. Like the crater in Arizona, Tunguska, and the Yucatan peninsula which is what is believed to have wiped out the dinosaurs, for example. There are over 50 impact sites on land alone, and even more in the ocean we have seen thanks to satellites and imaging techniques. However, it's certain Earth has had many more impacts throughout it's 4.5 billion year history, but a lot of Earth's craters have disappeared because of erosion, overgrowth, plate tectonics, volcanoes, and other natural geological processes.  Also, by about 2030, an asteroid will pass by extremely close to Earth and will be affected by our gravity. It will then swing back around, and depending on how exactly Earth's gravity affects it upon it's initial pass, it may collide with us when it swings back around. I can't recall the size they estimated it as or the destruction it may cause, but it will be devastating none the less if it does indeed impact us.

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"Lift your eyes and look to the heavens:
       Who created all these?
Wrong question, and fallacious assertion. What can be asserted without evidence, can also be dismissed without evidence. It should be more like "WHAT" created all these. The answer to "what created..." could be many things, where as the question of "who created.." restricts the answer to only Gods/Sentient beings.

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       He who brings out the starry host one by one,
       and calls them each by name.
ROFL. More bad science from the Bible. The author of this (and the author of Genesis/6 day creation story, which is HORRIBLE and backwards science) in the Bible is an idiot with no understanding or grasp of nature. If the ignorance of nature gave birth to the Gods, then knowledge of nature is calculated to destroy them.
No one "brings out the stars." The way the author has worded this makes it sound like the stars go away in the day, then God calls them out by their "names" to bring them back to their positions. Stars are where they are, and they constantly shine, even in daylight. Of course we can't see them in the daylight because of the atmosphere, but their light is always continuously shining toward us. And stars don't have names unless we name them.

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       Because of his great power and mighty strength,
       not one of them is missing." Isa 40.26
ROFL.. HAHAHA. No star is "missing." Do stars get kidnapped, or run away? Even when a star dies, and goes supernova, it is not missing, it's just not a star anymore. It's matter is still accounted for. What the hell is this nonsense even doing in what is supposed to be the "infallible Bible which is God's word?"

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The evidence is inescapable even if you don't believe
you still cannot help seeing it and even if you were blind
it comes down through the dawn chorus.
The universe, Earth, life, us, the bible, and theoretical arguments for God is NOT evidence of a design/designer. It is only evidence that we exist. And if the universe's laws such as physics, gravity, and thermodynamics to name a few were any different, then the universe would be different. Would we, or another species as intelligent as us not exist in one way or another if things were any different? It's hard to say for sure, but it's not impossible. The biggest flaw with your argument here is that you insist that the Universe and Earth was created for us, but if that is not the case as we Atheists suggest, then we were "made" for Earth in the sense that the way that we evolved was hugely dependent on our surrounding environments on Earth, aka "Natural selection."

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Isn't God great? Let all His creation worship HIM!
No, he is not great if he is the God of the Bible and does indeed exist. I would rather worship the sun.
You believe in a book that has sticks turning into snakes, and you say we are the ones that need help?
When you understand why you dismiss all other Gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
It is better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however reassuring.

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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2008, 08:07:11 PM »
I like Luthekar.

By the way, Meteor Crater in Arizona is really cool.  Here's a pic (and a few others).

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum/index.php?topic=13927.msg340030#msg340030
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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2008, 08:44:11 PM »
To the OP:

I just finished speaking to Jesus about you.  Yes, that's right, he is well aware of your recent activities.  And I can say without a doubt that he is not pleased.  In fact, he is so upset that he asked me, an atheist, to ask you to stop spewing non-sense about him and his father, God.  The reason I spoke to Jesus is because I was fairly sure that he would not act as ignorant as you have been acting.  He asked that you please attend at least two services per week for the next two months.  After that, he will consider your behavior and let you know through prayer exactly how he feels.

Again, I am just the messenger, but if I were you, and I wanted to be very, very sure I end up in heaven, I would heed the word of the almight Lord Jesus Christ.  Good luck, we are all rooting for you!

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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2008, 07:10:53 AM »
I just finished speaking to Jesus about you.  Yes, that's right, he is well aware of your recent activities.  And I can say without a doubt that he is not pleased.  In fact, he is so upset that he asked me, an atheist, to ask you to stop spewing non-sense about him and his father, God.  The reason I spoke to Jesus is because I was fairly sure that he would not act as ignorant as you have been acting.  He asked that you please attend at least two services per week for the next two months.  After that, he will consider your behavior and let you know through prayer exactly how he feels.>>>>


Much like your theory, pure fiction!!

The Big Bang, like you speaking to Jesus, just didn't happen, did it?

If all of you boys and girls wish to relieve yourselves of your painful
frustrations, just remember ranting long or loud cannot change reality.

Like King Canute you cannot hope to just sit on the beech shouting
at the waves. You cannot defy the laws of nature with impunity or
force it to conform to your fiction.


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« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2008, 07:19:07 AM »
Where do you get your weed?
If you are following God why can I still see you?

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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2008, 08:30:36 AM »
Ibelieve is like a toddler who shuts his eyes, plugs his ears, and shouts LALALALALA!

Notice when I supplied some simple to watch and understand videos on basic biology, Ibelieve didn't watch them.  I even said I thought I was wasting my time and that Ibelieve would not have the integrity to watch any of the videos.  That kind of challenge would make me watch the videos just to throw it back in the other persons face.

He/she/it has devoted his/her/its life to an irrational belief.  No amount of reason or evidence could ever persuade him/her/it that evolution and the big bang happened.   Ibelieve is beyond reason in any part of the life he/she/it leads.
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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2008, 08:50:56 AM »
Ibelieve, I think you mentioned EVIDENCE FOR GOD. Quit prevaricating.

Put up or shut up.

(I wonder which one you'll do. My money's on "neither.")
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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2008, 05:54:23 PM »
Much like your theory, pure fiction!!

The Big Bang, like you speaking to Jesus, just didn't happen, did it?

If all of you boys and girls wish to relieve yourselves of your painful
frustrations, just remember ranting long or loud cannot change reality.

Like King Canute you cannot hope to just sit on the beech shouting
at the waves. You cannot defy the laws of nature with impunity or
force it to conform to your fiction.


I see you discovered a mirror.

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Re: GOD -- THE EVIDENCE.
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2008, 06:22:23 PM »
Ibelieve is like a toddler who shuts his eyes, plugs his ears, and shouts LALALALALA!

Notice when I supplied some simple to watch and understand videos on basic biology, Ibelieve didn't watch them.  I even said I thought I was wasting my time and that Ibelieve would not have the integrity to watch any of the videos.  That kind of challenge would make me watch the videos just to throw it back in the other persons face.

He/she/it has devoted his/her/its life to an irrational belief.  No amount of reason or evidence could ever persuade him/her/it that evolution and the big bang happened.   Ibelieve is beyond reason in any part of the life he/she/it leads.
You can't convince a believer of anything; their belief is not based on evidence, but a deep-seeded need to believe.
You believe in a book that has sticks turning into snakes, and you say we are the ones that need help?
When you understand why you dismiss all other Gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
It is better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however reassuring.