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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2009, 09:10:49 PM »
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3. Why does god demand to kill innocent people?



If you came to your house and found that your wife was raped and killed, your childrens throat was cut and as you entered the house you got a good look at the guy who ran out of the house. You actually saw him finish cutting your sons throat so you have absolutely no doubt that he did it" What would you do to that person if you saw him the next day?

What does this have to do with the question?

It has to do with justice. So what would you do?

I still don't see what this has to do with god killing millions of innocent people.


They are not innocent same is the guy in the example. And as the guy in the example he deserves more than 1 week in comunity service
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God has provided all the food we need that was my point. Do you deny the fact that there is enough food for everyone?

Is it a fact that there is enough food for everyone in this world?  Do you have evidence to support this?  Without evidence, I cannot deny or confirm this statement.

Currently, there is enough food on the planet - it's not like water, or oil, which are clearly running out. We grow enough wheat, rice and other grains to give everyone 3,500 calories a day (which is about 50 per cent more than an adult needs). We just don't distribute it properly (for a start, 30 per cent of the grain goes to feed animals). And we could grow more. An English farmer expects to get at least eight tonnes of wheat out of a hectare. An African farmer would be pleased to get one.

According to the radical campaign group Food First, there's enough food to give everyone 4.3lb a day - two and a half of grain, beans and nuts, a pound of fruits and vegetables and nearly another of meat, milk and eggs. The challenge is proper distribution. But the food is on the doorstep of most hungry people. Almost every stable country that has high malnutrition rates actually produces enough to feed its population. But its people don't have enough money to buy it. Or the country needs to sell the food to pay its debts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2005/aug/14/foodanddrink.features10

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If your uncle gives you a million dollars and a year later you have nothing to show for it is it your uncles fault? be reasonable

Depends.  Did he tell me to spend it willy-nilly?  Did he try to tell me to invest it in a saving account?  The stock market?  If he gave me poor advice or told me to invest it in bad stock, then yes, it would be his fault.

However, this is a poor analogy.  My uncle is a human being, with all the limitations that comes within.  This doesn't apply to god, as he is omnipotent.  It would be trivial for him to wave his hand(or whatever) and ensure that everyone gets enough food.

So you always blame other people or circumstances for your failures? Do you want God to tell you when to go to the bathroom, when you can eat, when you can sleep, what you can think, ? 

Did you ever hear about responsibility?

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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2009, 09:14:38 PM »

1. Why won't god heal amputees?
Because it just doesn't work that way.  Not everything is orchestrated and controlled.

Well that could explain it.  Although I suspect not all Christians would agree that: "Not everything is orchestrated and controlled."

But lets go with this idea.  It still begs the following questions:
1) What is actually orchestrated and controlled? 
2) Is there any practical or moral reason why are amputees are excluded?

If you are a leper, deaf, blind or lame the bible offers some hope of being in the "orchestrated and controlled" group. 
But why not amputees, thalidomide abnormalities, conjoined twins, and living kidney donors who develop complications with their remaining kidney  >:(

There has to be something in the fine print somewhere that sheds light on God's exclusion policy - else it's simply not fair and just - or perhaps something worse.

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You are building a straw man. What is fair and just? What you define it as? What gives you the authority to even determine what is fair and just.

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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2009, 09:21:44 PM »
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They are not innocent same is the guy in the example. And as the guy in the example he deserves more than 1 week in comunity service

How are they not innocent?  Millions of people are killed by god(or god ordered them to be killed) in the bible, and we barely know anything, if at all, about them.


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Currently, there is enough food on the planet - it's not like water, or oil, which are clearly running out.

Ok, this part I will grant you.

However, I must ask, how do you know it was god, and not people that "provided" the food?


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So you always blame other people or circumstances for your failures? Do you want God to tell you when to go to the bathroom, when you can eat, when you can sleep, what you can think, ? 

Did you ever hear about responsibility?

This doesn't at all address the points I made.

And it still doesn't address that god doesn't just wave his hand and give food to everyone equally.
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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2009, 10:06:51 PM »
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They are not innocent same is the guy in the example. And as the guy in the example he deserves more than 1 week in comunity service

How are they not innocent?  Millions of people are killed by god(or god ordered them to be killed) in the bible, and we barely know anything, if at all, about them.

So we agree we don't know. Since we don't know both premises could be correct


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However, I must ask, how do you know it was god, and not people that "provided" the food?

Of course people provided the food with ingenutity. But if God (I know you don't believe he exist but lets pretend) wanted for us not to have the food he could do that. Another question? why did man invent so many things in only the last 200 years compared to our known history?


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So you always blame other people or circumstances for your failures? Do you want God to tell you when to go to the bathroom, when you can eat, when you can sleep, what you can think, ? 

Did you ever hear about responsibility?

This doesn't at all address the points I made.

And it still doesn't address that god doesn't just wave his hand and give food to everyone equally.


Nearly all famine is caused by peoples mismangement of the land and war. So if man would follow God's practical principles of working hard, planning, being honest, loving each other, and helping does in need there would be no starvation issue. So it is man that is causing people to starve not God. If you mismanage the money your uncle gave you it is you who lost the money not your uncle. God is not a genie to give you all your pleasures and for you to indulge in them.


If you believe in the Bible ( I know you don't) there was a time when man was not under a government, food was plentifull everywhere with little work, all humanity had a common language, man could live 10 times longer than they do now. And what happened? they self destroyed.

We are once again in a period of history in which man has plenty to eat with very little work ( my guess is that 10% of your salary goes to food), we nearly have a common language and we can communicate with all (internet, telephone, tv, ect), man has amassed much knowledge, and what is happening? in some way things are better than they have ever been but in many ways they are worse.

As we corrupt we no longer corrupt in some isolated village or location but we corrupt as a whole due to our instant communication. So we are an essence back to where we once were. An you have no idea of what evil humanity can do. You may have gotten a glimpse with Hitler and Stalin but it will get much worse. It is only a matter of time.

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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2009, 10:21:36 PM »
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but we corrupt as a whole due to our instant communication.

How exactly?  I don't buy it.


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God is not a genie to give you all your pleasures and for you to indulge in them

This point, I want to address.  This is actually addressed in the main site.

http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/gumball.htm

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Jesus and the Bible do actually say, in many different places, that God will answer your prayers. The whole notion of the [genie] is biblically based.

Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14: 12-14, Matthew 18:19, James 5:15-16, Mark 9:23, Luke 1:37, Matthew 6:25-34, among others passages, suggust that god does answer prayer, and all you need is a little bit of faith.  Matthew 6:25-34 is interesting in light of this disccusion, as Jesus is saying that we should not worry about food.

So why not just pray for everyone to have plentiful food and solve the problem right then and there?  After all, nothing is impossible for god(Luke 1:37), so he should be able to do it.  And no, saying "he already gave us plenty of food, it's our fault for not distrubuting evenly" won't cut it.  God would know what we meant(at the very least, we could word the prayers carefully) and what we would expect to see.
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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2009, 11:12:35 PM »
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but we corrupt as a whole due to our instant communication.

How exactly?  I don't buy it.

Well it may depend upon your definition of corruption. Child pornography, homosexuality, drugs, religion, scams, murder, war, selfishness, abortion, so forth

when one person does it and can see many do it it justifies it in their mind
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God is not a genie to give you all your pleasures and for you to indulge in them

This point, I want to address.  This is actually addressed in the main site.

http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/gumball.htm

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Jesus and the Bible do actually say, in many different places, that God will answer your prayers. The whole notion of the [genie] is biblically based.

Matthew 7:7,

I think you are taking this one out of context. This one is talking about salvation





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Matthew 17:20[/unquote]

out of context again. He is saying that with faith God will work through you, and nothing is impossible for God. Proof of that is the next verse. Why would he say "However this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting" God does not impute power to man to use for whatever he wants like in Bruce Almighty   
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, Matthew 21:21, [/unquote]

Once again the context is God will work though you to do His will and that nothing is impossible for God. If you have this type of faith you will only ask what is his will and only expect what is his will (I know I know in your mind this is just a cop out)


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Mark 11:24, [/unquote]

Same premise. God does not grant all are wishes. He says that with faith you are in tune with God and therefore you will want God's will to be done not yours and he will use you. He is not saying "if you pray to me and believe it you can do whatever you wish"



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John 14: 12-14 [/unquote]

Once again God does not want you to pray for your own benefit but for the benefit of others, The works that he is talking about are to extend his kingdom,

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Matthew 18:19 [/unquote]


Once again this is under the presumption of God's will


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James 5:15-16,  [/unquote]

This is not refering to physical sickness but spiritual sickness

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Mark 9:23, [/unquote]


You can see in this verse that it was Jesus who did the healing not his belief, Jesus healed people who did not believe, So what he was saying is that if you believe in me anything is possible. Any time this is said its in the context of within his will.

 
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Luke 1:37,[/unquote]



With God nothing is impossible. Nothing that he wants to do.

 
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Matthew 6:25-34[/unquote]



So you are saying that this says don't worry about working for food, don't use your hands to till the land, just sit around and be lazy and pray to God and I will send you mana from heaven, a guy will knock on your door and bring your groceries for free? I think its saying follow my (Jesus) principles and worry about what really matters and God will provide

, among others passages, suggust that god does answer prayer, and all you need is a little bit of faith.  Matthew 6:25-34 is interesting in light of this disccusion, as Jesus is saying that we should not worry about food.

So why not just pray for everyone to have plentiful food and solve the problem right then and there?  After all, nothing is impossible for god(Luke 1:37), so he should be able to do it.  And no, saying "he already gave us plenty of food, it's our fault for not distrubuting evenly" won't cut it.  God would know what we meant(at the very least, we could word the prayers carefully) and what we would expect to see.


God is not a genie. These verses are saying that if you follow God and do his will, dedicate to make what he wants you to do a priority he will work through you to do his works.


If not why not just pray "Lord, save everybody in the world and send us all to heaven so we don't have to suffer" and wish instantly we all live happily ever after. "

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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2009, 10:19:39 AM »
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Well it may depend upon your definition of corruption. Child pornography, homosexuality, drugs, religion, scams, murder, war, selfishness, abortion, so forth

Homosexuality is not a "corruption".  All of those things existed long long long before we had instant communication, so the point is moot.


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taking this one out of context

Basically, your point is that I'm somehow taking all of these quotes "out of context."  However, lets look at one of them in particular.

Matthew 17:20
For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

It certainly sounds like Jesus is saying we can even ask for the impossible, and how else are we suppose to take the statement "nothing will be impossible for you" other than "nothing will be impossible for you"?  If we take it any other ways, the statement becomes "many things will be impossible for you".


In the end, all those explainations just sounds like excuses for why god doesn't do anything obvious and unambiguous.  Otherwise, why not just pray to move this mountain from here to there?
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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2009, 04:05:35 PM »
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Well it may depend upon your definition of corruption. Child pornography, homosexuality, drugs, religion, scams, murder, war, selfishness, abortion, so forth

Homosexuality is not a "corruption".  All of those things existed long long long before we had instant communication, so the point is moot.

I agree it has long existed before. But in isolated places not all over the world at once

 
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taking this one out of context

Basically, your point is that I'm somehow taking all of these quotes "out of context."  However, lets look at one of them in particular.

Matthew 17:20
For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

It certainly sounds like Jesus is saying we can even ask for the impossible, and how else are we suppose to take the statement "nothing will be impossible for you" other than "nothing will be impossible for you"?  If we take it any other ways, the statement becomes "many things will be impossible for you".


In the end, all those explainations just sounds like excuses for why god doesn't do anything obvious and unambiguous.  Otherwise, why not just pray to move this mountain from here to there?


Fair enough I owe you the context. So here it is:


Mathew 10:5-10

He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil[a] spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
 2These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.

 5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; 10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.


So Jesus commanded them to heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, and cast out demons that was the command

In Mathew 17:14 - 17  the Apostles could not heal a epileptic.

So Jesus said You guys have no faith how much longer do I have to put up with you and he healed the kid

Then he said If you had just a little faith you could move mountains. In other words If you had a little faith you would not have a problem healing this Kid. But keep in mind that it was God's will to have this kid healed per Mathew 10:5

1 john 5:14

13I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. 15And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.












Jesus was talking to his apostles. This is in direct reference to the account in Mathe


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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2009, 04:18:16 PM »
Jesus was talking to his apostles. This is in direct reference to the account in Matthew.

Except for the sermon on the mount, and a few other vague mumblings, Jesus was talking almost exclusively to his apostles throughout the entire NT.  So, almost none of the sayings of Jesus even apply to us?  Is that what you are saying?

I feel suddenly liberated.  Jesus rantings were all directed at his apostles.  Since he told his apostles he would return soon, and the reference was to while some of them were alive, and that obviously didn't happen, then the whole of the NT does not apply to modern man.

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« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2009, 04:21:29 PM »
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I agree it has long existed before. But in isolated places not all over the world at once

I'm assumming you meant just homosexuality in that statement.  What you've said then, is just not true.  Homosexuality has been around as long as human have been around.  It's just that now there's more of the idea of being free and open about it.



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Jesus was talking to his apostles.

That may be.  However, the passage is still saying that human can ask god for things and he will do it.  In the passage, Jesus is giving the example of moving a mountain, yet he does not demonstrate this to show how easy it would be.

So we're stuck on this question; why can't you move a mountain from here to there?
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« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2009, 04:31:23 PM »
Jesus was talking to his apostles. This is in direct reference to the account in Matthew.

Except for the sermon on the mount, and a few other vague mumblings, Jesus was talking almost exclusively to his apostles throughout the entire NT.  So, almost none of the sayings of Jesus even apply to us?  Is that what you are saying?

I feel suddenly liberated.  Jesus rantings were all directed at his apostles.  Since he told his apostles he would return soon, and the reference was to while some of them were alive, and that obviously didn't happen, then the whole of the NT does not apply to modern man.

Odin, Logic of the Gods

No, no, Odin.  All the words that Sam agrees with still apply to us.  It's only the words that Sam disagrees with that don't.  It's an amazing coincidence, but there it is!
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« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2009, 10:29:11 PM »
To put it bluntly.......Starving children, people getting hurt/murdered, etc...

Some of these things are due to Sin and Sinfull men/women doing the things they do. Or as an unbeliever would put it, due to evil people. Greed and corruption are rampant everywhere. That's something that both believers and non believers can agree on. Why would you have starving children in Uganda with a leader that is a billionare? The leader is Evil. Why would you have wars? Such as the war for oil err, the war on terror. Evil men doing evil things and screwing everything up for everyone.

It doesn't seem right that this should happen, and it's not right that these things happen. One thing us Christians need to do is own up to our own shortcomings and our responsibility the Lord gave us when we came to believe.  Literally how many of us pray about these situations? How many of us donate money or time to them?  The sad fact of the matter, myself included, is we don't do very much. But we can and we have an even higher power to help us.

On the contrary. If you nonbelievers are so concerned about the sad state of the world in which we all live in, what have you done? Prayer aside, seeing it's not your forte. But physically what are you doing to help?

Not everyone that claims they are of God are of God. People put on the wool and use the word of God for their own personal gain, such as every single person broadcasted on the TBN Network, which inturn is a huge slap in the face to true Christians and Christ himself! Not to mention Politicians such as Bush and Ronald Regan! Using the name of God and trying to use the Gospel as an umbrella.

I'm not trying to put anyone down for anything. I'm merely stating that allot of US if not most of US do absolutely nothing. And for that we're all wrong.

I forgot to mention, it's funny that a website that is trying to refute God and asking a bunch of questions is what got me to actually think about what I haven't been doing right.
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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2009, 09:47:43 AM »
Not everyone that claims they are of God are of God. People put on the wool and use the word of God for their own personal gain, such as every single person broadcasted on the TBN Network, which inturn is a huge slap in the face to true Christians and Christ himself! Not to mention Politicians such as Bush and Ronald Regan! Using the name of God and trying to use the Gospel as an umbrella.

Amen to that.  95% of xians give the other 5% a bad name.


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« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2009, 09:59:51 PM »
Jesus was talking to his apostles. This is in direct reference to the account in Matthew.

Except for the sermon on the mount, and a few other vague mumblings, Jesus was talking almost exclusively to his apostles throughout the entire NT.  So, almost none of the sayings of Jesus even apply to us?  Is that what you are saying?

I feel suddenly liberated.  Jesus rantings were all directed at his apostles.  Since he told his apostles he would return soon, and the reference was to while some of them were alive, and that obviously didn't happen, then the whole of the NT does not apply to modern man.

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That is not what I said.

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« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2009, 10:06:19 PM »
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I agree it has long existed before. But in isolated places not all over the world at once

I'm assumming you meant just homosexuality in that statement.  What you've said then, is just not true.  Homosexuality has been around as long as human have been around.  It's just that now there's more of the idea of being free and open about it.

  Exactly, now its more free and open because it exists and is comunicated throughout the world due to our modern technology that has made the world small again. So I think we both agree. And if I misstated that it did not exist in acient time ( I don't think I did) I agree with you so on this point we are in agreement
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Jesus was talking to his apostles.

That may be.  However, the passage is still saying that human can ask god for things and he will do it.  In the passage, Jesus is giving the example of moving a mountain, yet he does not demonstrate this to show how easy it would be.

So we're stuck on this question; why can't you move a mountain from here to there?


My point is that it is reference under God's will not our will. No one, as the false faith healers claim, can under their own will heal the sick, paralyzed ect..  God uses us to do his will. That is the context. If God wanted them to move the mountain and they have just a little faith God would use them to move the mountain. That's the context and that is the interpretation that harmonizes with the rest of scripture.

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« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2009, 10:08:49 PM »
Jesus was talking to his apostles. This is in direct reference to the account in Matthew.

Except for the sermon on the mount, and a few other vague mumblings, Jesus was talking almost exclusively to his apostles throughout the entire NT.  So, almost none of the sayings of Jesus even apply to us?  Is that what you are saying?

I feel suddenly liberated.  Jesus rantings were all directed at his apostles.  Since he told his apostles he would return soon, and the reference was to while some of them were alive, and that obviously didn't happen, then the whole of the NT does not apply to modern man.

Odin, Logic of the Gods

No, no, Odin.  All the words that Sam agrees with still apply to us.  It's only the words that Sam disagrees with that don't.  It's an amazing coincidence, but there it is!


No I am saying that God uses us to do his will. We can not do our own will and decide if this mountain should move or not but God can use us to do his will. See the difference? Its funny how you make a conclusion about what I said from a misenterpretation of what some one else said about me.

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« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2009, 11:46:26 PM »
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Exactly, now its more free and open because it exists and is comunicated throughout the world due to our modern technology that has made the world small again.

And this is a "corruption"....... how?


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If God wanted them to move the mountain and they have just a little faith God would use them to move the mountain.

And yet, god never does move the mountain.

So we're still stuck on the issue of why didn't he show how easy it would be to do this.


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No I am saying that God uses us to do his will. We can not do our own will and decide if this mountain should move or not but God can use us to do his will.

This just sounds like Mo'linguish to me.
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« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2009, 01:08:41 AM »
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Exactly, now its more free and open because it exists and is comunicated throughout the world due to our modern technology that has made the world small again.

And this is a "corruption"....... how?


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If God wanted them to move the mountain and they have just a little faith God would use them to move the mountain.

And yet, god never does move the mountain.

So we're still stuck on the issue of why didn't he show how easy it would be to do this.


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No I am saying that God uses us to do his will. We can not do our own will and decide if this mountain should move or not but God can use us to do his will.

This just sounds like Mo'linguish to me.


I know to you Homosexuality is normal or something to me it is corruption so its a matter of definition but my prediction is that you will see a greater and greater percentage of homosexuals as part of our population within a few more generations.

As far as moving mountains when it serves his purpose He may who am I to know such things

On the third point I guess we will have to agree to disagree.


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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2009, 08:30:35 AM »
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definition but my prediction is that you will see a greater and greater percentage of homosexuals as part of our population within a few more generations.
If this happened, it could be because society is becoming more accepting, not necessarily because there are greater numbers.  IDK
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« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2009, 08:57:27 AM »
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definition but my prediction is that you will see a greater and greater percentage of homosexuals as part of our population within a few more generations.
If this happened, it could be because society is becoming more accepting, not necessarily because there are greater numbers.  IDK

If you believe this statement then you are saying its a perversion.

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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2009, 08:59:32 AM »
Characterizing it as "acceptance" does not imply perversion.  America today is more accepting of black rights than it was a century ago.  By your reasoning, that implies that being black is a "perversion".

Please try to contain your bigotry.
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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2009, 09:08:47 AM »
Characterizing it as "acceptance" does not imply perversion.  America today is more accepting of black rights than it was a century ago.  By your reasoning, that implies that being black is a "perversion".

Please try to contain your bigotry.

Talk about putting words in my mouth.
Lets use youre above example. What you are saying is that a because America is more accepting of blacks there are more blacks in America?

Maybe what you meant is that more homosexuals will come out of the closet. But what it sounded like you said was more people will become homosexual because it is more accepted.

Which is it?


I am saying that more people will become homosexuals because it is more accepted.


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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2009, 09:13:22 AM »
I thought you were referring to the "acceptance" as an indicator of perversion.  My mistake.

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I am saying that more people will become homosexuals because it is more accepted.

What causes homosexuality?
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Re: 10 Questions for Christians
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2009, 09:13:36 AM »
Characterizing it as "acceptance" does not imply perversion.  America today is more accepting of black rights than it was a century ago.  By your reasoning, that implies that being black is a "perversion".

Please try to contain your bigotry.

Talk about putting words in my mouth.
Lets use youre above example. What you are saying is that a because America is more accepting of blacks there are more blacks in America?

Maybe what you meant is that more homosexuals will come out of the closet. But what it sounded like you said was more people will become homosexual because it is more accepted.

Which is it?


I am saying that more people will become homosexuals because it is more accepted.


Please don't put words in MY mouth.  I meant what is written.  Acceptance by society for what is natural in nature.  I mean more homosexuals will feel comfortable coming out, not more people will become homosexual.
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« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2009, 10:07:33 AM »
Characterizing it as "acceptance" does not imply perversion.  America today is more accepting of black rights than it was a century ago.  By your reasoning, that implies that being black is a "perversion".

Please try to contain your bigotry.

Talk about putting words in my mouth.
Lets use youre above example. What you are saying is that a because America is more accepting of blacks there are more blacks in America?

Maybe what you meant is that more homosexuals will come out of the closet. But what it sounded like you said was more people will become homosexual because it is more accepted.

Which is it?


I am saying that more people will become homosexuals because it is more accepted.


Please don't put words in MY mouth.  I meant what is written.  Acceptance by society for what is natural in nature.  I mean more homosexuals will feel comfortable coming out, not more people will become homosexual.

So you are saying that homosexuality is natural?


How does homosexuality help in the survival of the species?

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« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2009, 10:13:32 AM »
Radon's radioactivity is natural.  How does that gas's radioactivity help with the survival of our species?

Sam, why are you using the term "natural" when you clearly don't mean "natural"?
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« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2009, 10:33:45 AM »
Radon's radioactivity is natural.  How does that gas's radioactivity help with the survival of our species?

Sam, why are you using the term "natural" when you clearly don't mean "natural"?

I think that was Dkit's word


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« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2009, 11:04:35 AM »
Dkit is using the word "natural" to mean "natural".  You are using the word "natural" to mean something other than "natural".

See the difference?
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« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2009, 11:39:21 AM »
So you are saying that homosexuality is natural?


How does homosexuality help in the survival of the species?

Are you trying to say that because you think it does not follow your (probably erroneous) perception of evolution or natural selection that it is not natural?  What is "unnatural"?  How could an animal possibly do something unnatural?
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