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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2008, 05:18:26 PM »
   If there was no god there would be no reason for life. Because that is all life is. One big lesson. But, just for conversation sake. The lesson that I just described would be in vain if there was not a god. There would only be,"It is better to love and lost than never to love at all. For parenthood is unique in itself." Of coarse some people believe that all religion is is a way to control a population or to give people morals. It all comes down to faith. You can have religion all you want but if you don't have faith... religion is pointless.
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Re: Hello [#3]
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2008, 05:39:41 PM »
If there was no god there would be no reason for life. Because that is all life is. One big lesson.
You are starting with that assumption. "Pretend" there is no god, and answer the question again. Humor us.

Many (most) of us were Christians once, either raised that way or born-again. When we stopped making that assumption, everything made a lot more sense. Try it! :)
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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2008, 06:07:46 PM »
It is better to love and lost than never to love at all. For parenthood is unique in itself.
  What other lesson did you have in mind?

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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2008, 06:24:23 PM »
Sorry, I took your last post to mean that even that lesson would have no meaning without a god.

That's a simple, universal lesson, and it doesn't have all the god-baggage on it. Why does god need to be invoked, then, to grant a "reason" to life? Isn't love reason enough?
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2008, 07:28:36 PM »
 But to a person who doesn't believe in god, love is just a chemical reaction in the human brain. A simple feeling. And reason for life would be a math problem dealing with amino acids and electricity.
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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2008, 07:48:38 PM »
But to a person who doesn't believe in god, love is just a chemical reaction in the human brain. A simple feeling. And reason for life would be a math problem dealing with amino acids and electricity.

To a person that does believe in god, love is still just a chemical reaction, a simple feeling.
In other words, every person has feelings, and the feelings of a theist are not more powerful than the feelings of an atheist.

There is no difference between say.. a Hindu and a Christian when it comes to the intensity of their feelings, though, obviously one is to the other an atheist, or at a minimum a believer in false gods. An atheist, just like the others, has the same feelings, the same chemicals in their body.

We all live on the same planet, and we're all the same, when it comes to these things, a theist just adds extra stuff to it.
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2008, 08:16:30 PM »
 To a person who believes in a higher power the feeling of love means more. We all feel it but the meaning behind it is different.
 To an atheist this universe is all chance made possible by math and science. To someone who believes in god, it takes the chance out of it. The small chance that after billions of years after a big bang just the right gravity feilds,"by chance" develope stars and astroids colide with each other to form planets. By chance just enough comets hit a planet leaving water on its surface. The chance that just the right amino acids seem to blend just right while a bolt of lightning hits it at just the right moment to create life. Sorry, I may beleive in evolution and the fact that our perseption of time is different from gods. But to say that life on this planet was only by chance. Sorry again, that is just to many chances. To me it seems crazier to think that all this is only by chance. So to a theist our existance comes down to pure dumb luck. I hope you are feeling lucky everyday that you live. Cause that is what it boils down to. Luck. Now tell me who is crazy...lol.
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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2008, 09:26:00 PM »
To a person who believes in a higher power the feeling of love means more. We all feel it but the meaning behind it is different.
 To an atheist this universe is all chance made possible by math and science. To someone who believes in god, it takes the chance out of it. The small chance that after billions of years after a big bang just the right gravity feilds,"by chance" develope stars and astroids colide with each other to form planets. By chance just enough comets hit a planet leaving water on its surface. The chance that just the right amino acids seem to blend just right while a bolt of lightning hits it at just the right moment to create life. Sorry, I may beleive in evolution and the fact that our perseption of time is different from gods. But to say that life on this planet was only by chance. Sorry again, that is just to many chances. To me it seems crazier to think that all this is only by chance. So to a theist our existance comes down to pure dumb luck. I hope you are feeling lucky everyday that you live. Cause that is what it boils down to. Luck. Now tell me who is crazy...lol.
You seem to be making a distinction without a difference. Atheists are not androids without feelings, hopes and dreams. It makes no difference whether you think Goddidit or it is just chance. Everything is the same either way. But I want to address what I see as the root of your belief system. Your argument seems to boil down to there being some ultimate purpose. But if you really think about it, what is ultimate purpose? Is there really any conceivable thing that the earth, humans and life are for? What are we supposed to accomplish? Seriously, even if you believe in God, everything is really ultimately pointless except as an end in itself. If we go to heaven - what then? What is the purpose of heaven? If it is to love God, what is the purpose of loving God? Can that ultimate purpose be achieved? What is God's purpose? I mean, what could it be? There isn't anything it could be. Please don't give that copout answer that we can't know the mind or purposes of God. What could it be? Is he making bets with other God's in the universe? Is he playing solitaire? How would he know if he won? The way I see it, ultimate purpose is an illusion. You would simply have to stop at some point and say, all is good. Can that ever be? Many theists say that love is the ultimate purpose. Then why do we need God? We all love something. Perhaps we will even evolve to a point where we all love each other with no evil in the world and all of our struggles will be in dealing with nature and solving problems. But even then, the only purpose in the universe is what we make for ourselves. If someone can't be happy with this life, they are not going to be happy with more life. Personally I think theism actually demeans life by assuming it is just practice for something more. That "something more" is nebulous and undefined. Do you know what it is? I haven't heard a good explanation of that. What do you think?
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Re: Hello [#3]
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2008, 01:46:38 AM »
But to a person who doesn't believe in god, love is just a chemical reaction in the human brain. A simple feeling. And reason for life would be a math problem dealing with amino acids and electricity.
A simple feeling, is it? Well this simple feeling, even in science, can be defined in so many ways. It's partly chemicals in the brain. Partly various physiological responses, like an increase in blood pressure, perhaps, or a rise in body temperature. Partly a cognitive state. We attribute love to all these things. Technically, they're all separate, but they're all related, and yet also don't all happen at the same time.

You can see that love is not such a simple thing, and it's not made any simpler when people equivocate love with god, uttering meaningless phrases like "god is love".

But okay, let's say the reason for life is just a math problem (strictly speaking it's more of a computational problem). So? You're creating a straw man, effectively saying that by learning more about ourselves, we diminish in value. When we learned how to make fire, do you think people despaired and said, "Ah, so it's not fired from the hands of Zeus, but instead it's just a chemical reaction. What a let-down"? You could be looking at all the underlying machinery and saying, "Wow, that's awesome, with this understanding, we can carve a better future for ourselves," but instead you sigh and say, "All the magic is gone," as if you finally found out where potato chips came from.
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Re: Hello [#3]
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2008, 07:38:04 AM »
   If there was no god there would be no reason for life. Because that is all life is. One big lesson. But, just for conversation sake. The lesson that I just described would be in vain if there was not a god. There would only be,"It is better to love and lost than never to love at all. For parenthood is unique in itself." Of coarse some people believe that all religion is is a way to control a population or to give people morals. It all comes down to faith. You can have religion all you want but if you don't have faith... religion is pointless.

Hi Zeh,

What is life a lesson for? Apparently in the afterlife everything will be perfect nothing you do here on earth will have any relationship to what occurs in the afterlife.

What you possibly learn in 70-80 years on earth that will be of any value after the first trillion years of your afterlife?

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« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2008, 10:17:18 AM »
I kind of understand what she (?) is saying, in a way it does feel better to do something for someone else, even if it's just a roundabout way of doing something for yourself.

Like buying your wife a 60" television set, and a THX surround system to go with it.
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« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2008, 02:36:53 PM »
If there was no god there would be no reason for life. Because that is all life is.
How can anyone communicate with you if you think the only thing in life is God? It makes no sense. Don't you have real goals and plans? Don't the other people around you mean anything to you? I just can't fathom how that sort of outlook is anything but bleak and meaningless. Life is so much more than mystical devotion. It's like we're from different planets or something. I used to be an ordained minister and I never thought life was only meaningful if it was all about God. Are you just using hyperbole for effect?
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Re: Hello [#3]
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2008, 02:42:02 PM »
If there was no god there would be no reason for life. Because that is all life is.
How can anyone communicate with you if you think the only thing in life is God? It makes no sense. Don't you have real goals and plans? Don't the other people around you mean anything to you?

And porn! What about porn?

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« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2008, 04:56:43 PM »
You seem to be making a distinction without a difference. Atheists are not androids without feelings, hopes and dreams. It makes no difference whether you think Goddidit or it is just chance. Everything is the same either way. But I want to address what I see as the root of your belief system. Your argument seems to boil down to there being some ultimate purpose.


 
  I didn't say anything about atheists being like androids. Theists just puts more meaning to it. Just as I said it before. So stop trying to put words in my mouth. And I never said anything about God being love. I'm not a hippie. Or a bible thumper like you weir.


I used to be an ordained minister and I never thought life was only meaningful if it was all about God.


And can't you answer your own questions because of this.



 But if you really think about it, what is ultimate purpose? Is there really any conceivable thing that the earth, humans and life are for? What are we supposed to accomplish? Seriously, even if you believe in God, everything is really ultimately pointless except as an end in itself. If we go to heaven - what then? What is the purpose of heaven? If it is to love God, what is the purpose of loving God? Can that ultimate purpose be achieved? What is God's purpose? I mean, what could it be? There isn't anything it could be. Please don't give that copout answer that we can't know the mind or purposes of God. What could it be? Is he making bets with other God's in the universe? Is he playing solitaire? How would he know if he won?


I mean come on. You have to be able to answer questions like these. I'm just an average Joe that believes in god. Oh, and the copout answer about not knowing the mind and purposes of god. How about life in itself. How about the purpose being for us to learn and grow and to love. Like you said it is all the same. We all do this. But what if we don't go down the path's that we should. You should know the answer to this. And if you are a true atheist you wouldn't believe in a purpose of life because life just exist. So what is up with this?


Perhaps we will even evolve to a point where we all love each other with no evil in the world and all of our struggles will be in dealing with nature and solving problems. But even then, the only purpose in the universe is what we make for ourselves.

Purpose means a reason behind it.
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« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2008, 05:57:34 PM »
It's kinda odd how I've had to post the same thing at least three times in the past week, but apparently I haven't yet done so in this thread yet, so I'll rephrase it again:

Nothing has meaning without relationship(s) to something else. Learning and growing and loving, those are all great, and the meaning of all of it varies depending upon an individual's relationship to the rest of the world. The meaning of each relationship is localized and self-contained, and yet all the relationships are interrelated. Think of gravity. Gravity only has meaning because there are objects related to each other in space. The Earth has a relationship with the sun, with the moon, and with the other planets. The sun and the moon have their own relationships to each other and the other planets. And so on. Put them all together, and they compete for attention and settle into steady orbits, bringing some planets closer together some of the time, and pushing them away at other times. The entire system is always moving, and each relationship is important, has meaning within the context of the system itself, but there's no higher-order meaning-of-it-all. The system, as it is, does what it does, and persists. That's good. Why isn't it good enough that human life persists? Why aren't learning and growing and loving good enough?

I'll answer your question for you. Because you want to learn and grow and love more than is humanly possible--because death puts an end to it--and you think an imaginary relationship with an imaginary being will do that for you.

(I know I equivocated the word "meaning" in my analogy, but that is part of the point.)

The difference between a theist an atheist is that the theist has an imaginary relationship with an imaginary being, and the focus on that relationship is disproportionate to the focus put on real relationships in that person's life that do deserve and require attention. The more you focus on the imaginary, the less grounded you are in reality, and both you and those around you--many who do not even believe as you do--suffer for it, in reality. The real hope that a theist has of an imaginary reward after death is no comfort to the atheist who has no such misgivings.

If people focused more on real relationships, rather than imaginary relationships, we'd all experience more learning and growth and love than what is currently humanly possible. That's a step in the right direction.
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« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2008, 06:15:42 PM »
Are we fit to be in his presence in heaven?

Depends. How bloodthirsty are you?
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« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2008, 09:57:07 PM »
 Just because you don't have the science to prove something doesn't mean that it is imaginary. In your opinion it may be. Such as gravity. You can see the affects of it but it is a force that is not visually seen. You can only see the affects of it. Just because the planets have an order around the sun doesn't give them meaning either. Most of the world's population believes in a hire power of some sort. But yet humans have made it this far. If it wasn't for the belief in a god, there would be more violence in the world. Morals would fade away like they are starting to now. The reason why most people even have morals is because it was taught to them by a person who believed in god. If that child grew to become atheist most of the time they kept the same morals just because that is how they where raised. Believing in a god doesn't hurt the population, it helps it. Yes, there are wars over different religions. But there are wars for many other things to. That is human nature. What it comes down to is if you believe there is a purpose for life, your not atheist, your ling to yourself. I grow tired of this back and forth stuff. There is no reason for anyone to reply to this message because I will not be back. So if you do, it will only be for self gratification. You might as well be talking to a wall because I will not be here. I hope all of you live a blessed life. If you think about it though, which is more reasonable. Life being created after billions of years of chance and dumb luck or... there is more to it. I rather live the rest of my life keeping my faith and believing to die and find out there is nothing than to live my life not believing and come out wrong. May god send out a light through the dark for you. God bless all of you, I'm out.
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« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2008, 10:00:05 PM »
If it wasn't for the belief in a god, the would be more violence in the world.

Ahem?!

I assume you have as much proof for this statement as i have for saying, "If it wasn't for the belief in a god, there would have been less violence in the world".

Both statements are ridiculous, unfounded assertions.

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« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2008, 11:32:52 PM »
I'm disappointed. You started out rather promising, but now you're backpedaling into the same tired old grade-school apologetics we've seen countless times before.

Just because you don't have the science to prove something doesn't mean that it is imaginary.
Anything that doesn't have measurable effects is imaginary.

In your opinion it may be. Such as gravity. You can see the affects of it but it is a force that is not visually seen. You can only see the affects of it.
You can not measure the effects of "god", either, since there are none. Anything you attribute to "god" can be explained by something else that makes more sense.

Just because the planets have an order around the sun doesn't give them meaning either.
My point is they don't need meaning. They do what they do. That's good enough. Something is better than nothing. Something more is still just something. You want everything, but you know you're going to die and not get it, so you invent "god" as a shortcut from something to everything. Nobody wants to go the long way around, but it's the only way. Just as the universe wasn't created in 6000 years and life didn't evolve in a few days, neither will we learn everything and experience everything and determine how to live forever in just a few thousand years. In reality, there is no easy way out, and only some people grow up enough to face that fact.

Most of the world's population believes in a hire power of some sort.
Argument from popularity. That doesn't make it true.

But yet humans have made it this far.
In spite of religion and superstition. Read your science history and you will see that religion has impeded progress significantly.

If it wasn't for the belief in a god, there would be more violence in the world. Morals would fade away like they are starting to now.
There is no evidence for this and plenty of evidence against it. Provide me with yours and I'll provide you with mine.

The reason why most people even have morals is because it was taught to them by a person who believed in god.
Non-sequitor. Most people are religious, so of course most people are raised and taught by someone who believes in god.

If that child grew to become atheist most of the time they kept the same morals just because that is how they where raised.
Irrelevant.

Believing in a god doesn't hurt the population, it helps it.
Prove it.

"With or without religion you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Stephen Weinberg

Yes, there are wars over different religions. But there are wars for many other things to. That is human nature.
It makes more sense to me to remove as many causes of war as possible.

What it comes down to is if you believe there is a purpose for life, your not atheist, your ling to yourself.
"Atheist" only means lack of belief in god(s). It has nothing to do with purpose. You are confused, and equivocating "purpose" with "god".

I grow tired of this back and forth stuff. There is no reason for anyone to reply to this message because I will not be back. So if you do, it will only be for self gratification. You might as well be talking to a wall because I will not be here.
You're not tired, you're frustrated because you have a conflict stirring within yourself and there are only two ways to resolve it: give in to rationality or avoid it. So rather than do the work to resolve it, you're going to run away. You don't want me to respond, because you know you'll be back to see what I've written, because some part of you wants to know more. You know you'll be back to read this, and you're afraid of the 1% chance that I might say something convincing.

I hope all of you live a blessed life. If you think about it though, which is more reasonable. Life being created after billions of years of chance and dumb luck or... there is more to it.
The mere fact that you think cosmic and organic evolution is "dumb luck" reveals the common sad fact that you know nothing about it. Your willful ignorance of how things are the way they are is how you shield yourself from facing reality. It's your loss, because if you can face reality, you will get a lot more growth and love out of it than you would otherwise. You're only cheating yourself, because the shortcut you want to take is a dead-end.

I rather live the rest of my life keeping my faith and believing to die and find out there is nothing than to live my life not believing and come out wrong.
You're using Pascal's Wager. It's a common catch-all for people who have no other reason to believe. As an argument for belief, it fails, because it only works if the probability of The True Christian God(tm) existing is greater than zero. Fortunately, it's zero.

May god send out a light through the dark for you. God bless all of you, I'm out.
No thanks, I have a torch. Maybe someday you'll find one, too.

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« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2008, 12:20:19 AM »
Just because you don't have the science to prove something doesn't mean that it is imaginary.
Anything that doesn't have measurable effects is imaginary.

Well, maybe she means that occasionally some things are imaginary at first, and there is no evidence to prove it, but later it gets discovered?   I think that's an ok outlook on life.

Like thinking that 'maybe' life exists on other planets.  We don't know that, and we've only really ever sent little RC cars to one other planet, but it's nice to think so.  We can't prove or disprove it, but we can sure look.
Actually wait, my analogy is falling apart here, since we have the option of actually looking.  Nevermind all that stuff.
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« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2008, 07:45:08 AM »
Just because you don't have the science to prove something doesn't mean that it is imaginary.
Anything that doesn't have measurable effects is imaginary.

Well, maybe she means that occasionally some things are imaginary at first, and there is no evidence to prove it, but later it gets discovered?   I think that's an ok outlook on life.


Agreed, but you don't make substantive life decisions based on the belief that there are invisible flying pink unicorns living in your garage, and justify the decision by saying we just don't have the technology to detect the unicorns yet.
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« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2008, 10:18:55 AM »
Just because you don't have the science to prove something doesn't mean that it is imaginary.
Anything that doesn't have measurable effects is imaginary.

Well, maybe she means that occasionally some things are imaginary at first, and there is no evidence to prove it, but later it gets discovered?   I think that's an ok outlook on life.


Agreed, but you don't make substantive life decisions based on the belief that there are invisible flying pink unicorns living in your garage, and justify the decision by saying we just don't have the technology to detect the unicorns yet.

True, everything falls apart when you try to actually apply that sort of thinking to the real world.
For example; it would be really nice if there were flying pink unicorns in my garage, then I could hook them up to a flying chariot and cut my commute time down.  But no amount of wishing and hoping that someday I'll be able to prove that they are there, or having faith that they really are there will make them appear.
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« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2008, 10:23:50 AM »
True, everything falls apart when you try to actually apply that sort of thinking to the real world.
For example; it would be really nice if there were flying pink unicorns in my garage, then I could hook them up to a flying chariot and cut my commute time down.  But no amount of wishing and hoping that someday I'll be able to prove that they are there, or having faith that they really are there will make them appear.

Good, yes, but that answer is only 90%. The last bit is that you can't make appointments based on the faster commute time.
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« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2008, 12:40:33 PM »
Good, yes, but that answer is only 90%. The last bit is that you can't make appointments based on the faster commute time.
Even if it were true, you shouldn't. It would be better to sleep an extra 10 minutes. ;)
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Re: Hello [#3]
« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2008, 12:28:02 AM »
I wish that you and I could switch brains for a day. Seriously. I assure you that my life is not without meaning. In fact, I'm sure you'd be quite surprised to find how "spiritual" an atheist can be. What is the meaning of life? How can I grow to be the very best I can, with the talents I was born with? How can I be a better person tomorrow than I was today? How can I help my mom, or my brother, or my friend, or the old man up the street? What does it mean to live a good life? How can I make the world a better place? The list of questions I ask myself goes on and on. Just because I don't believe in your god doesn't mean that I have all the answers, or that science is the only thing that interests me. I meditate, I look at tarot cards to get in touch with my feelings and subconscious, I talk with friends about their beliefs. I try to stay open minded about all beliefs. I've just realized, over the years, that some beliefs make more sense than others. Could you be right? Could my buddhist friends be right? Could my unitarian friends be right? Could we all be right? You know what, I really don't think it matters. Really. I think that how we live our lives means much more than what the ultimate truth is. If there is a god, a personal god at all like yours, I can't imagine he'd be so petty as to hate those of us who use our brains to question him. Do you? Because if you are correct, didn't he create us with this intelligence and curiosity? Why would any greater being create such a curious creature and then damn it to hell if it used its curiosity to question him?
If we ever travel thousands of light years to a planet inhabited by intelligent life, let's just make patterns in their crops and leave.